These are the people the US is hinting at playing ball with. From Steven Stalinsky in FrontPage:
In recent months there have been multiple reports in Washington that the U.S. may begin a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood – the world's most prominent Islamist organization. As the U.S. News & World Report of April 25 reported, U.S. intelligence officials have been meeting with members of the Brotherhood and one unidentified source called them, “probably more a part of the solution than a part of the problem.” Some Washington think tanks have also begun to float this in the nation's capital.
It should be noted that the philosophy of the Brotherhood – which has inspired the likes of Al-Qaeda and Hamas (which defines itself as the groups' Palestinian branch) today is led by many telegraphic spokesman who often appear on Arab TV stations in favor of terrorist attacks. For example, Dr. Abd Al-Muni'm Abu Al-Futuh, from the General Guidance Council of the Muslim Brotherhood appeared on al-Jazeera TV on April 25, 2004, where he stated:
"We, as Muslim Brotherhood and as the world leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood, support the armed resistance in Iraq against the American occupier, one hundred percent. I personally, as all members of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and around the world, wish to carry weapons against the American occupation…This is a matter of religion, not politics. When a Muslim land is occupied, Jihad becomes an individual duty…."
That is traditional and mainstream Islamic theology, as I show in Onward Muslim Soldiers.
Deputy leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mahmoud Al-Sayyid Ahmad Al-Habib, made a similar appearance on Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV, on April 8, 2004: "The truth is that the resistance, whether in Iraq or in Palestine… defends the nation's honor…Therefore, the issue…martyrdom (i.e. suicide) operations carried out by boys and girls, and also the operations carried out by the Iraqi resistance – these redeem self-confidence and hope, because a nation that does not excel at the industry of death does not deserve life." Last year Muhamad Madi Othman 'Akef took over as the Brotherhood's “supreme guide.” At the time he gave a series of interviews laying out the ideology of his group. He explained it was “a religious duty” to attack American and Israeli soldiers and speaking to the Egyptian weekly Al-Arabi on January 18, 2004, he denied being in dialogue with the U.S., which he dubbed“Satan.” Discussing the coming collapse of America, 'Akef gave an interview to the Egyptian weekly Nahdhat Misr on January 21, 2004: “The matter of America's attempt to take over the world is not new…I expect America to collapse soon. The elements of this collapse in America [already] exist, and Allah is the Savior.” According to the Muslim Brotherhood website last year 'Akef discussed the coming conversion of Europe and America to Islam: “I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission. The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out of conviction.”...
OT, but I have to post this: A fellow Aussie is to be beheaded today in Iraq. If they haven't killed him yet, that is.
Yesterday John Howard went to seek help from the 'mufti' of the Sydney mosque, Sheik Halali. Halali is no different from Abu (the hook) Hamza from the Finley mosque in London who is now in jail. A dyed- in -the- wool Jihadi who should have never been permitted to remain in Australia, but thanks to the outgoing Keating government 10 years ago got his papers (last minute) before the conservatives came to govern.
This is like seeking help from the godfather...
Should the efforts of Halali succeed to save this poor Aussies live, so be it. But at what cost? Halali will Howard to ransom whenever a ship full of 'refugees' lands on our shores, - he will have (Islamo-) criminals released from jail, he will receive money to build mosques and he will be allowed to import more 'clerics' of the Wahabi variety. We need them like a wart on the nose, while at the same time Christian preachers have to fear going to jail for reading from the Qu'ran in public, which according to a demented Victorian Judge is a 'hate-crime'-
We need to do something about this! Today this was on LGF if you car to read it...
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=3092269
This is the link!
Posted by: Terminator at May 10, 2005 08:51 AM
Do you think this guy[islamic terrorist] will be safe in Iraq after all the Iraqis are getting pissed at all these monsters who are keeping them down blowin up their pipe lines killing their children ??? After all a bomber can take this guy out does he really have the balls to go???
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
"As the U.S. News & World Report of April 25 reported, U.S. intelligence officials have been meeting with members of the Brotherhood and one unidentified source called them, 'probably more a part of the solution than a part of the problem.' Some Washington think tanks have also begun to float this in the nation's capital."
Any dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood [The very name is an oxymoron!] is pointless and dangerous. The islamist solution is to make the entire world a calihpate!
Have the people even considering such a move lost their collective minds? I think so.
“I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission. The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out of conviction.”
___
I would willingly die to prevent such a reality. I'm betting I'm not alone in this conviction.
The Islamists greatly underestimate American will.
America will never succumb to Islam as "we hold these truths to be self-evident...that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
There is no Life or Liberty in Islam, only death and destruction. Moreover, our Creator is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (the patriarchs of the Jewish nation into which Christianity was grafted through the Lord Jesus---Romans 11), not Allah. Which, once and for all, ends the bloviating that we worship the same God.
No way Jose...these people are smoking some wierd stuff...Maybe Europe, it has fallen lots of times, but not America, America will never fall even if the gov caves in and appoints Zarqawi president. America is not a person or a gov, America is an idea and an ideal...thats what Americans have always fought to preserve, it means freedom...It may be possible to beat America up, but you better bring your lunch, it's going to be an all day job...Futah says he personally would like to carry weapons and fight the occupiers of Iraq...well he's in the area so why doesn't he? For starters, he might get his fine fabrics dirty. You notice that these muslim higher ups dress pretty well, fancy fabrics, fancy robes, the ultimate in muslim styling...Then, he may be trained in combat, but he's probably out of shape...paunchy, rolly polly, do you see any of these guys who look like they miss many meals? And finally, he's too smart for that sht. It's better to just talk a lot about it and inflame young hot dogs to do the dirty work. That way the good DR, and clerics too, can continue to ride around in air conditioned limo's drinking pepsi's while they luxuriate in the backseat...It's a tough job, but someone has to do it...
a ship full of 'refugees' lands on our shores,
Terminator - when a BUNCH of them were landing on your shores - the media in these parts was not so keen on reprting about it.
Sneaks were carrying it out.
The only notice that 'the gullable' here in these parts got - was when the 'Rights' groups were attacking John Howard for the Muslim mothers literally sowing their own childrens' mouths shut - in protest that they were being sent back to where they came from....and why? Because Islamic attacks were becoming an issue after so many had freely entered Australia.
I don't even live there - and I was fit to be tied! at the lying leaders and media!
As for the claim "the U.S. may begin a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood" - I DO NOT agree!
That statement is misleading.
I would like to know the names - specifically each name - who have decided to have a diaolgue with such a group.
And I sure want to know the dialogue is.
Clearly, President Bush places freedom of religion above all other freedoms. And that explains both his inclusivist treatment of Islamofascism, and why the counter-terror war cannot be won under his administration.
Americans think the White House is a brain's trust. Actually, administrations function on dogma, and the simpler the better.
And finally, he's too smart for that sht. It's better to just talk a lot about it and inflame young hot dogs to do the dirty work.
duh_swami? And that is why I believe the Islamic leaders are investing SOOOO much money in spreading Islam - instead of investing it in their own people.
They're protecting their own comfortable buts - and tyrant power.
Who and what are excellent questions...Beth...
If it's a lie, there is no answer, but if there is truth to it, who and what become very important...or at least, very interesting...
“I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission. The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out of conviction.”...
These "invaders" have no idea just how many rednecks and cowboys and ranchers are waiting to play "cowboys and muslims", they are not going to have an easy time here in the heartland.
Guys:
Check out the DW posts from yesterday (I haven't checked today's yet). There's a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth muslim poster attempting her own form of jihad with the help of taqiyya and threats. She's actually trying to make us, US afraid! It's hilarious! Go for a laugh - but note that she's afraid to come over to JW and play with the big boys.
The rhetoric is quite instructive as to the muslim mindset (as if we haven't seen it already ad nauseum) although ludicrous.
Beth...your right I think...a lot of this has to do with the muslim elite protecting their own well feathered nests...Allah is influential but the glitter of gold coins, power and sex, is a powerful draw to those so inclined...since Mohammad appears to have been so inclined, I'm not surprised to see muslims emulating his behavior. Those who are best at it become clerics...
Smokem...wonder if Bush considers Satan worship and Wicca part of his freedom of religion code?
These "invaders" have no idea just how many rednecks and cowboys and ranchers are waiting to play "cowboys and muslims", they are not going to have an easy time here in the heartland.
Carolyn? I often wonder if the leaders have any idea either.
Some judges and politicians just may be fleeing along side with them
Smokem...wonder if Bush considers Satan worship and Wicca part of his freedom of religion code?
All religions are free duh_swami - until they start preaching mass murder.
The U.N. condemned 3 men to life in prison in rwanda for using a radio to incite others to kill.
Even the international laws condemn such incitement - let alone the U.S. Constitution
HMMM Beth...I wasn't wondering about freedom of religion as a worldwide topic, I was wondering about GW's personal view...The US military has already ok'ed Satanism and Wiccan rituals for soldiers...I just wonder what GEO really thinks about that stuff...
"In recent months there have been multiple reports in Washington that the U.S. may begin a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood."
Just one more time the US recklessly deals with a "lesser evil."
I can just see some smarmy dialogue-happy, "outreach" types in our State Department:
"If only we could just talk to these people face to face they could see that we're really good people, that we're all on the same side. We all want the same thing -- peace and coexistence, for everyone.
If we sit down at the table and deal fairly with the Muslim Brotherhood we can work from a position of strength and sensitivity, enthusiastically embracing and celebrating our cultural differences! We'll reveal both sides as reasonable partners who can form a strong coalition based on nonjudgmental dialogue -- dialogue that not only "empowers" all side but builds unbreakable bridges for peace and cooperation for future generations." (sniff)
Yeah, and maybe they'll forget what they really want is to blow yer ass up!
thats weird, my comments are not appearing, arghhhh!
After lurking here for a couple of years, it seems to me that islam is not really a religion. It really appears to be a "cult", in the classic sense of the word and meaning.
Islam denies peoples hopes and dreams.
The death of a religion that was moderate and gave hope to people would be a horrible thing.
Islam is neither moderate nor giving of hope.
No PEace for islam,
H
Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 10, 2005 01:32 PM
Gold Star for you today!!!
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Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight and Courage to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Ps
Another church burned in PA.? that is 2 in a week last week one in TX.
the 2 litle girls killed in ILL. were killed by the father who was just out of jail in TX who converted to islam??
PSS
IS ANYONE REALY SURPRISED?? If you know about the Torah or the Bible then you would understand they worship Ismael and what it says about him will be an ass of a man his hand against every one!!
The Arabians were for centuries governed by the decendants of Joktan, who peopled the south-west of Arabia. Yarab one of the sons of Joktan founded the kingdom of Yaman, in which was also the kingdom of Sheba, whose Queen afterwards visted King Solomon. The Kingdom of Yaman was the most powerful state of all Arabia. [NOW THERE IS A pleage on the children who is from there?ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]
Jorahan another son of Joktan founded the kingdom of Hedjaz which became the thereafter became the most import in all Arabia for its possession of the holy places of Mecca and Medina, and is called the holy land of Arabia
The Arabs originally acknowledged the Existence of one Supreme God, Creator of the Universe, whom they called allah taala, the most high god.
Their religion soon lost it’s earliest monotheism, and degenerated into gross idolatry, fetichism, animal worship and star worship. They frist of all adoped Sabeanism or worship of the hosts of heaven.
It is said that the ancient Arabs had 7 celebrated temples decated to the 7 plantes. Very soon, however, the star worship became greatly corrupted and other deities, superstitious and idolatrous practices were introduced.
From their pagen neighbors they adopted the dorctrine of the abodes or haunts of gods: marked them out as sacred territories by pillars, and within which bloodshed, cutting of trees, and killing game was forbidden,and within such enclosures the blood of sacrifices was smeared on sacred stones, and gifts were hung up on trees. This is the origin of the Haramain or sacred territory around Mecca and Medina. Everywher in Arabia there were wells, pillars, and heaps of stones, where the Arab devotees congregated to obtain special blessings. Sacrifices were common, but not by fire. The blood of the sacrifices was smeared over the rude stone altars, and the flesh was eaten by the worshipers.
They also worshiped idols, ten of whom are mentioned by name in the qu-ran.
Al Uzza identified with planet Venus, and worshiped at times under the form of an acacia tree: and Manat a huge stone worshiped as an altar by several tribes. The Arabs also worshiped angels, whom they called female gods and the daughters of god. They imagined that these images of angles were animated by them and were intercessors with god for man. The most celebrated and central object of arab worship however was the blackstone of Mecca set in the corner of a square building called the Kaaba, in which also are placed the images of Abraham and Ismael each carrying in their hands divine arrows.
SO WHEN THE GO AROUND AND AROUND THEY WORSHIP ISMAEL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HIM??
Futher they say that mecca stands on the spot exactly beneath God’s throne in heaven. The present Kaaba they say was built by Abraham and his son Ismael and the black stone which had been missing, was shewn to Ismael by the angel Gabriel, and it was used as a corner stone for the building of the kaaba.
The Jews who had fled in great numbers into Arabia from the fearful destruction of their country by the Romans, had introduced Jewish religion among several of the tribes. Christianity like wise had made great progress among this nation before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od
The multiplicity and variety of so many religions and religious ideas and practices not infrequently conflicting with one anoth had already produced in the minds of these people necessity of finding a religion that would be re-conciliatory, and that could be adaped to the nature of people and thus the path was layed open to the new religion called Hanifs, which was introduced just before the brith of Mo-Ham-Od. These Hanifs were a small number of Arabs, who worshiped only allah, rejecting polytheism, and sought FREEDOM from sin and resignation to Gods will. Thus was we see Hanifism was only a step to islam, and such was the state of religion in Arabia befor the time of Mo-Ham-Od.
OF COURSE THEN HE BROUGHT RAPE KILLING STEALING AND LETS NOT FORGET LIEING ALL FOR HIS CAUSE??? SAD SAD!! Most muslims have taken what was before which was good and get it mixed up with Mo-Ham-Ods stuff???
Some by me and the rest by Rev.J.L.Menezes written in 1912??
Very good post, Catherine.
So when Muslims defend their lands from occupation, it is terrorism? ("Muslim Brotherhood - of Terrorists"). The absurdity of this site knows no bounds...
Very good post, Catherine.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 10, 2005 02:58 PM
Thanks
well over 100 shot fired in L.A. by police and no one killed not even the SUV so if you are counting on them for protection from the Evil monsters I would just REMEMBER THAT
THE 2ND AMENDMENT AMERICA'S ORIGINAL HOMELAND SECURITY
Is your best bet!!
6 bodys found Dead on a ranch in Calf. a call went to 911 then the phone went dead??
REMEMBER
A gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!!!
VIC PRESIDENT CHENEY HAS BEEN CLEARED!!!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN
PS
Think that it was a set up in compten to start a raze war look to louie farakan remember her pleadged his people and self to saddam[YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT I'M A COWARD]
I think it would scare you, and I'm sure that you find it incomprehensible, but a lot of rednecks are converting to Islam. I argue with these converts daily on another forum.
There seems to be an appeal in Islam to their need to dominate and control women and the family. euphemistically "family values".
Vis a vis the Muslim Brotherhood or Ikhwan al Muslimoon it's webpage (old) says it has 70 cells, worldwide, independent, understood in context Al Qaida, GIA, Ansar al Sunnah, etc et al are all part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran has spun off Hizbollah, Ansar al Islam, and the anti estabilshment mujahadeen e-khalq, but I'm sure that they are all allies and at some level (Shi'a or Sunni) connected.
thats weird, my comments are not appearing, arghhhh!
Posted by: joe citizen
Joe? Some of mine aren't either - and I have a copy of one post - where someone rearranged the sentences into a converstaion that never even took place.
I hope Robert will address us on this.
In fact, Robert - it seems that even this very page has been rearranged.
Why does a more recent post of mine appear AFTER an older one?
I'm sorry Robert - Please delete that last post - I was looking at another page.
BUT! STILL - there are messages being deleted and rearranged.
Here is one - the whole page has been changed:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006089.php
Beth,
I just happened to stop by here and saw all this.
You say your posts are being edited and rearranged?
I find this highly unlikely. I certainly haven't done it, and have neither the time nor the inclination to do such a thing. There are only a few other people with access to the Inner Sanctum, and none of them would have done it either.
If you really think this is going on, please ask TypeKey about it. But it isn't being done here.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Giaour, you are right. I find it hard to believe that rational people would believe what is written in the qur'an and hadith. That is what troubles me about Thomas Haidon. He is an attorney, an educated man who in his adulthood chose to believe that G-d spoke to a mid-evil (misspelling on purpose) brigand. He says that he doesn't take the qur'an literally, so why believe any of it then?
I find this highly unlikely. I certainly haven't done it, and have neither the time nor the inclination to do such a thing. There are only a few other people with access to the Inner Sanctum, and none of them would have done it either.
I had no idea Type Key had any part in the posts.
I really don't know much about it.
But the posts are being rearranged [and I don't know by who - if I thought it was you - I wouldn't bring my complaint to you]
And really messed up. I checked this page on 2 different computers - and it looks the same - messed up.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006089.php
I thought you'd want to know
Check this out:
Billions Spent by Saudi Royal Family to Spread Islam
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.iraq/browse_thread/thread/f27c4d93e020a196/f5ab7785e48fb6d4?q=spreading+islam&rnum=1&hl=en#f5ab7785e48fb6d4
vishal,
Containment begins by weaning the world from its taste for oil.
Kia ora Kemaste, Terminator and Jakester:
"Terminator,
I hate to say this, but the only way is to fight fire with fire. If your man is beheaded, find ten imams or Muslim punks locally and return the favor!"
Eventually it will come to this, mark my word..."
What is being advocated here is genocide, pure and simple. Jakester has argued that if Islamist terrorists in Iraq murder this innocent man, than it is acceptable to murder ten Muslims in Australia. Again no one can bother making distinctions here.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Hi Carolyn:
Point appreciated. I am confronted with this question all the time. Belief is a subjective matter. I studied Islam many years before I converted. I am certainly not conventional. I also have a strong Christian background (in 1995 I almost enrolled in a seminary). I do not reject the moral teachings of Christianity, in fact I still follow them. How can I remain Muslim you ask? Because Islam is, what I make of it. I encourage you to read some of the writings of Ahmed Mansour if you are interested in where I am coming from.
I should not have to justify however why I believe. It is unfair for anyone to ask me to do.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas,
"I should not have to justify however why I believe."
Agreed. Nor should any of us.
However, your prominent position on the FMAT site begs the question.
Questioning your justification is legitimate considering the efforts you indulge to propogate your beliefs.
Kia ora Skeet Street
Fair enough. I find the question difficult to answer. I came to Islam not because of the verses of Jihad or dhmimmitude but because of what I viewed as true to submission to God. My focus as a Muslim has always been on simplicity, prayer. Parts of Islam however are unacceptable to me, specifically the Sunnah and some aspects of the Qur'an. And to some that makes me kafir.
As a sidenote. FMAT does not seek to propogate Islamic beliefs. We have no interest in the promotion of Islam. We are not an outfit for Da'wa. Our purpose is to work within Islam to try and devlop a way to fix it, if possible. We also want to provide a voice for Muslims who are afraid to speak out because of bullying and intimidation that occurs at Western mosques.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas, none of us here have to answer questions asked of us. I am not asking you why you believe to ridicule you, I am sincerely curious as to why you believe in islam if you do not accept the scriptures on which it is based. If I didn't accept the Bible or the New Testament, I wouldn't call myself a Christian. I might say I believe in a Creator, but I would not wear a label. Please do not feel pressured to answer, I just am expressing how I see it.
Thomas,
"What is being advocated here is genocide, pure and simple."
It is time for you to stop preaching to the converted and start a dialog with your compatriots in faith.
Islam as conceived and practiced by the Prophet has always engendered a response.
A cruel response to a cruel action.
That is Islam's history. Do you deny that?
Skeet Street:
I am not denying that Islam has a violent history tracing back to the Prophet Muhammad. The Muslims who will carry out the beheading in Iraq however have no relation to a Muslim living in a Western country has has committed no such wrongs. What was being advocated is that for every non-Muslim executed by terrorists, that a non-Muslim should seek ten Muslims at random, and kill them.
Should I not be alarmed at this? Have you ever heard of the prinicple of proportionality? I doubt the above posters follow Christianity or Judaism or have little knowledge and its scripture and theories on war and punishment. Proportionality is a central tenet.
Surely you don't support the assertion that it is acceptable to murder individuals who have committed no offence. If you do support it, perhaps you should consider converting to Islam yourself, because that belief is more consistent with Islamic laws.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas,
I do not accept nor support genocide.
I am, however, very curious as to how a seemingly intelligent person as yourself can reconcile his faith with one who perpetrated, along with his followers, acts of genocide?
SEAMS YOU'AL CAUGHT OUR TOMMY BOY HERE IN SOME LIES HIS TOUNGE IS NOT SO SMOOTH!!!
I am not denying that Islam has a violent history tracing back to the Prophet Muhammad. The Muslims who will carry out the beheading in Iraq however have no relation to a Muslim living in a Western country
SO ARE YOU SAYING IF THIS IS DONE IT IS OKAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT DONE IN THE WEST??
has has committed no such wrongs.
HUH??
What was being advocated is that for every non-Muslim executed by terrorists, that a non-Muslim should seek ten Muslims at random, and kill them.
AND WHAT DID THE MULSUMS WITH THE GERMANS DO DURING WW2??
Should I not be alarmed at this? Have you ever heard of the prinicple of proportionality? I doubt the above posters follow Christianity or Judaism or have little knowledge and its scripture
WHICH YOU DON'T BECAUSE IT SAYS AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH!!
and theories on war and punishment. Proportionality is a central tenet.
JESUS SAID I HAVE CARRIED YOU YOU HAVE NEED FOR NOT NOW IF YOU HAVE A SAC BUY A SWORD!!
Surely you don't support the assertion that it is acceptable to murder individuals who have committed no offence. If you do support it, perhaps you should consider converting to Islam
THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERN'T TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE??
WE LOVE OUR BEER WINE SHORT SKIRTS AND SKATE BOARDS AND SWIM SUITS AINT GETTING LOCKED IN A ROOM BECAUSE SOME MAN WANTS ANOTHER WIFE AND A RELIGION THAT SAYS HE IS RIGHT AND ME WRONG!!
yourself, because that belief is more consistent with Islamic laws.
TOMMY BOY YOU ARE FULL OF SH-T!!!
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Posted by: Thomas at May 10, 2005 08:54 PM
AND THAT WAS JUST A FEW OF HIS LIES!!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN
PS
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156124,00.html
Federal Agents Seize 1,000 Fake Badges
Tuesday, May 10, 2005
NEW YORK — A man has been charged with possessing an illegal cache of about 1,000 counterfeit law enforcement badges, authorities said Tuesday.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested Sergio Khorosh on Monday at his Bronx home after he accepted delivery of about 100 fake U.S. Marshals Service (search) shields. The delivery was being monitored by the agents, who had first intercepted the badges last month in a shipment from Taiwan to San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156126,00.html
Bomb Blast Kills One in Russia
Tuesday, May 10, 2005
MAKHACHKALA, Russia — A bomb apparently detonated by remote control blew up a police car Tuesday in the capital of Russia's Dagestan (search) region, killing one officer and injuring a boy and a girl who were passing by, an official said.
Dagestan, an ethnically mixed, mostly Muslim region on the Caspian Sea, has been rocked for months by bombings and other attacks on police and other law enforcement authorities. A suspect detained in a clash earlier this year was carrying a detailed hit list of high-ranking police officers in the region, authorities said
TOMMY BOY I'D SAY 10 IS FALLING ALITTLE SHORT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE MULSUMS HAVE BEEN KILLING AROUND THE WORLD!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96854,00.html
190 Fake Student Visas Rejected Last Month
Tuesday, September 09, 2003
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91996,00.html
44 Accused of Using Fake IDs to Work at Air Force Academy
Tuesday, July 15, 2003
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60879,00.html
Fake-ID Suspect Picked Up at Airport Returning From Egypt
Tuesday, August 20, 2002
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,44464,00.html
Web Black Market Sold Over 900 Fake Badges
Thursday, January 31, 2002
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Undercover investigators went onto the Internet and bought more than 900 black-market law enforcement badges, including FBI and Secret Service shields, federal authorities said Thursday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153187,00.html
LexisNexis ID Breach Worse Than Thought
Tuesday, April 12, 2005
LONDON — Publisher and data broker Reed Elsevier Group PLC (search) said Tuesday that up to 10 times as many people as originally thought may have had their profiles stolen from one of its U.S. databases.
NOW TELL US TOMMY BOY WHAT ARE YOURS UP TO??
Catherine:
Please read my posts. I don't appreciate your use of insults. You saw me as a Muslim poster, and you smelt blood. Your hatred for all Muslims, including secualr peaceful ones like myself is so blatantly obvious.
SEAMS YOU'AL CAUGHT OUR TOMMY BOY HERE IN SOME LIES HIS TOUNGE IS NOT SO SMOOTH!!!
What lies? I admitted Islam has a violent history. No one can deny that. Please explain, in detail what lies I have been caught up in.
SO ARE YOU SAYING IF THIS IS DONE IT IS OKAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT DONE IN THE WEST??
Islamic violence in my view is never justified. I will reiterate. What was said was that if Australian man is executed, then it would be justified for a non-Muslim to kill ten Muslims in Australia, who had nothing to do with the beheading in Iraq. That means, he views it acceptable for any person to kill Muslims if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim. Should I find this view acceptable as a Muslim? Should I accept the fact that this person views all Muslims including myself as a legitimate target for murder?
THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERN'T TRYING TO CONVERT ANYONE?? WE LOVE OUR BEER WINE SHORT SKIRTS AND SKATE BOARDS AND SWIM SUITS AINT GETTING LOCKED IN A ROOM BECAUSE SOME MAN WANTS ANOTHER WIFE AND A RELIGION THAT SAYS HE IS RIGHT AND ME WRONG!!
I merely was trying to state that what he is preaching in more consistent with the thing he despises so much, Islam. And quite obviously, I am not trying to convert anyone. In fact, in my view there should be a self imposed moratorium on conversions to Islam. In my view, Da'wa and prostelisation should be effectively banned or put in moratorium. My wife is non-Muslim. I have no desire for her to become Muslim either. My children will not be raised Muslim either. You my dear are clearly barking up the wrong tree.
I am very sorry you are not familiar with the biblical verse you cited:
WHICH YOU DON'T BECAUSE IT SAYS AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH!!
This is the bare essence of proportionality. In biblical times, when a man killed someone the penalty of death was given because he took a life. Following this approach the culpable person who is responsible for beheading the Australian man should die... not ten random Muslims 20 thousand miles away.
TOMMY BOY I'D SAY 10 IS FALLING ALITTLE SHORT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE MULSUMS HAVE BEEN KILLING AROUND THE WORLD!!
Catherine you obviously think it acceptable to kill Muslims whenever a non-Muslim dies, regardless is they had a hand in it or not. You clearly support genocide of all Muslims, because you fail to distinguish between Muslims who support and who are terrorists and those who do not.
And I ask. Please tell me how I have lied. I have given opinions, and have qualified them.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
The Muslim Brotherhood needs to hear one half of a 'dialogue' that goes:
"Get out of line, you die. Understand?"
And the conclusion of said 'dialogue':
"We understand."
Thomas, muslims cannot assimilate into the West. This article is a must read.
How to Defeat Jihad in America
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13532
"The sole source of the growth of jihadism and terrorism in the West is Moslem immigration"….
The article doesn’t completely endorse 100% deportation but then this one is a year old. Newer articles will be written that eventually will. Be sure you get to the following 5 points as well.
1.End all mass immigration of Moslems into the United States, whether from Moslem countries or elsewhere.
2.Deport all Moslem illegal aliens.
3.Deport all legal resident aliens with ties or loyalties to radical Islam.
4.Remove the citizenship of and deport all naturalized and native-born citizens who are supporters of jihad.
5.Publicly renounce and abjure multiculturalism as a societal philosophy.
I will be interested in reading your response.
Sincerely,
Egyptian journalist calls liberal muslims apostates,
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD90505
Greetings Cross:
Points 1-4 I agree with wholeheartedly. To my mind they are legal and moral. I am familiar with Laurence Auster's writings. He had an interesting recent exchange with Daniel Pipes.
Cheers
Thomas
Make that points 1-5
Thomas,
What did you think about Proposition 187?
Sincerely,
Cross:
Proposition 187. Did California pass it? I can't recall. Anyway, it did contain some harsh measures, but I do support its goals. The level of illegal migration and the strain on the economy and health care system was and is a burden on Califormia and other border states. Harsh action was necessary considering the problems.
One thing that I should have brought up in our debates yesterday, and that you may be aware of is that the government can outside the constitution when it has a compelling governmental interst, and narrowly tailored means to achieve those goals. They call it the strict scrutiny standard. Such a standard however does not apply, or at least should not apply when it involves foriegners or illegal immigrants. But thinking in context of our overall discussion yesterday, the government could restrict civil rights of Muslims because of a "compelling interest" however the means have to be narrowly tailored to achieve those goals.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas, you didn’t clink the link and read the article did you? This is a part of point #2 which you didn’t read otherwise you would not have asked me if Prop 187 passed. The answer of course is no. (I thought you said you were an attorney?)
“Just imagine how less toxic the illegal alien situation would be in California today if the state authorities in 1994 had enforced Proposition 187 (which prohibited illegals from receiving state benefits) instead of killing it. Enforcement would have signalled a new and frankly harder attitude toward illegal aliens that would have encouraged many of them to leave, and discouraged many others from coming here in the first place. No You looked at my post of the 5 points and that was it. This article contains more information than a summary 10 minute scan can absorb”.
You only looked at my post about the 5 points and that was it. This article contains more information than a summary 10 minute scan can absorb.
PS: For now, we need to reduce the numbers significantly via deportation and the remaining somewhat more docile “moderates” need to be relocated and dispersed across the country so that they have some chance of assimilating. This according to the Constitution.
Truthfully,
Hi Cross:
You are right I basically skimmed it, I would have thought that was obvious considering the short time span in which I responded. And yes I am an attorney, in New Zealand and in the state of New York.
I am not sure what your overall point is. I have agreed with the main points which you have summarised. And yes, I was commenting on your summary of those points. Anyway, I tend to agree with Auster generally, he has written quite a few good pieces at FPM.
PS: For now, we need to reduce the numbers significantly via deportation and the remaining somewhat more docile “moderates” need to be relocated and dispersed across the country so that they have some chance of assimilating. This according to the Constitution.
Demonstrate to me, how this can be done legally. Again take a second look at Korematsu and take into consideration some important constituional developments in the last thirty years as well. Also keep in mind the strict scrutiny test... Cite some case law if you can. Perhaps you could actually find some German case law from the thirties and fourties.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Thomas, “Perhaps you could actually find some German case law from the thirties and fourties”. Shame on you for saying that, that was classless.
Our founding fathers realized in the beginning that in order for immigrants to assimilate (to embrace the historical Judeo-Christian roots of the Nation) they needed to break away from their old heritage and become American. The Framers of the Constituiton wrote that immigrants must be dispersed in order to accomplish this.
The concept that you continually quote, regarding the legality of human rights, is in effect a roadblock or at best an impediment to National Security. You probably dream of someday working for the ACLU. Your loyalties lie not in what’s best for the country but rather what is best for muslims and any other cause that undermines America and it’s traditional heritage. I bet you approve of multiculturalism as well, don’t you? You want America to forget it’s Judeo-Christian roots. You like all liberals have failed in life and blame the white race for it and now seek to bring it down and institute a new culture. Isn’t that true Thomas?
You are becoming more transparent to me the more we converse. NOTE: In a previous post how you refer to me as a caucasion. You don’t like caucasion’s much do you, Thomas? Is that why you side with islam and muslims?
Kia ora Cross:
I will guess that you are caucasian. Just because you say that African-Americans have a great life in NO and there is no police harassment does not mean it does not exist. The point is, this man's name could have been John Smith and seeing that he was a victim of police brutality he may have said the same thing.
To argue, that it was "dhimmitude" for fellow African-Americans who may have also suffered similar brutality, to applaud his statement is laughable, and a tenuous link indeed. African Amaericans in Most large American cities are disacffected and share common sentiments.
We do not know if this man is even really Muslim. In the early 60's many African American parents gave Islamic names to their children, but were not necessarily Muslim.
I rarely ever disagree with Robert. However I strongly and respectfully disagree with this attempt to link the incident with jihad or dhimmitude. I guarantee, that this man has no idea what dhimmitude is. Most Muslims are not as educated as you all want to believe about their own faith. It would be different if this man is known to support jihad or is active as a Muslim. But even so, a non-Muslim African-American in the same position may have said the same thing. I have heard many, many non-Muslim African Americans share the same sentiments.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Posted by: Thomas at April 30, 2005 07:53 PM
Truthfully,
" I doubt the above posters follow Christianity or Judaism or have little knowledge and its scripture and theories on war and punishment."
You may doubt that any of us are Christians or Jews, but we know what we believe. The muslim superiority is showing.
Greetings Cross:
The Framers of the Constituiton wrote that immigrants must be dispersed in order to accomplish this.
The concept that you continually quote, regarding the legality of human rights, is in effect a roadblock or at best an impediment to National Security.
It is not a roadblock, Cross. It is a building block of any civilised democratic society. I do not refer to some amorphous body of human rightstheory, I refer to principles entrenched in our Constitution, domestic laws and the philosophy behind them. Nonetheless, human rights are not absolute and are subject to limitation.
Please provide a citation for this. You cite the Founding Fathers. Have you not read any of the great works from some of our founding fathers? Evdiently you have not.
Your loyalties lie not in what’s best for the country but rather what is best for muslims and any other cause that undermines America and it’s traditional heritage. I bet you approve of multiculturalism as well, don’t you?
Completely untrue, and 99% of Muslims will disagree with you. What I am doing is attempting to help marginalise Islam to something more benign. I have married a non-Muslim who is distrustful of Islam. My children will be raised Christian.
Cross, I doubt you have much knowledge of America's heritage. You refer to it, but I am not sure you know what that heritage is other than what you read on FPM. You also refer to Judeo-Christian principles. I am glad you have. I assume you are either Christian or Jewish. I don't imagine you are very devout however. Have you read the gospels or the Beatitudes? Maybe you should. You certainly could not cite Judeo Christian law or philosophy to support your arguments.
You like all liberals have failed in life and blame the white race for it and now seek to bring it down and institute a new culture. Isn’t that true Thomas?
Actually, I never viewed myself as a failure. I feel that I have accomplished alot in my short time on this earth. I never blamed the white race fior anything. I do not make such overbroad assertions. No reasonable person could infer that from the post you refer to. It would be wrong of me to blame caucasians who had nothing to do with racism, or had never contributed to racism, would it not? And this would clearly upset you and rightfully so. It would upset me as well.
Similarly it would be wrong, morally and legally wrong to condemn every single Muslim, especially peaceful secular ones, for the crimes of all Muslims. You are a Christian or a Jew are you not? Do you not know your own faith? We punish those who are culpable, not those who have committed no wrongs.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Carolyn:
I was referring to two people in particular. Not you. I should have been more specific. I apologise if I offended you. but clearly if Cross, Beth or Jakester actually studied and adhered to scripture and Christian philosphy (take a look at Aquinas) they could not argue what they do.
Sorry for being overbroad.
Yours sincerely
Thomas
Cross, that is hilarious. You are a very funny guy. Reading your posts has been a hell of a laugh.
But seriously, my wife is more likely to beat me up...
Thomas,
Do you always laugh when you lose? That’s not an admirable quality in an attorney. Do you laugh when your clients receive judgments against them? Do you even have any clients? Are you sure you don’t just do some light typing and filing in a real lawyers office somewhere. Thomas I wouldn’t hire you to file the pedigree papers on my dog.
Truthfully,
Warning Everyone!
Don't be fooled by the smooth talking Mr. Nice Guy antics of this Thomas.
Just remember that this guy believes in a satanic cult created by a murderous mad man called MohamMAD. He even admits it in a way to some degree by saying something like "there are a lot of violence in Islam" and so on.
So the possiblities are that he is either lying or he is mad. I think he is both.
"Cross" and "Beth", your position on immigration is deeply flawed.
What good is it to just "deport" these terrorists to somewher out of the US?
That is just like sweeping the dust under the carpet.
Deportation is no solution. They will still be there.
What will happen is that they will go and kill the innocent people back in their own countries and will plan and try to attack the US from there.
Your proposals are selfish and useless. Selfish because deportation will only temporarily solve the problem for the US only and deportation is basically sending your problem to somewhere else for someone esles to deal with.
It is no solution because like I said they will still be there and will be plotting and scheming to attack one day.
No, think of some other solution. Deportation will not solve anything. At best it will be a temporary relife. My suggestion is the eradication of Islam.
And to eradicat Islam you have to tell muslims that their "religion" is nothing but a death cult. Tell them the truth and have nothing with the so called moderates and reformers. That way at least some will be saved by becomming apostates.
Thomas:
So what's your point?
Cross,
There is an additional way to deal with the problem of Islam in this country.
Muslims, including Thomas, cannot simultaneously embrace Islam and support the principles of the Constitution.
There are many situations, from naturalization to entering political office, where one must swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
It would be proper and fitting that no Muslim should be allowed to participate in any way in any situation requiring an oath or affirmation to support and defend the Constitution, since to do so is un-Islamic.
If we were to take seriously the oath to support and defend the Constitution, we would have no Muslims as naturalized citizens in the future; we would strip citizenship from all Muslims who have become naturalized citizens in the past (since their oath was fraudulantly given) and deport them; there would be no Muslim judges; we would have very few Muslims in important political offices; we would have no Muslims in the armed forces, police, etc; we would have fewer Muslims in sensitive jobs in government; and so on.
If we were to take the oath to support and defend the Constitution seriously, we could do a great deal to slow the activities of the Islamic fifth column.
Informed Christian,
I think your idea (the eradication of Islam) is truly the only solution, whether it is accomplished through such profound change that it is no longer recognizable, or whether it simply disappears.
Deportation is not without merit, however. Certainly, deportation will not stop the morally sanctioned murder and mayhem promoted by Islam, but it is useful in that it gives us a tool to minimize its effects while we are making progress in eradicating it.
Back to the Brotherhood:
Giaour already posted this link above, but I guess some of the site's contents deserve to be quoted here, and everywhere. As the MBM is not exactly secretive about its goals, one just wonders why Western politicians (especially those who long for a "dialogue" with MBM), and journalists won't bother to take a look. It wouldn't take more than a minute to see what they're up to.
From Muslim Brothrehood's homepage, http://www.ummah.org.uk/ikhwan/:
" Main objectives
A huge tree of "sub-goals" branches from these main objectives which are derived from the Quran and the tradition of the prophet (pbuh) [3,4]:
1- Building the Muslim individual: brother or sister with a strong body, high manners, cultured thought, ability to earn, strong faith, correct worship, conscious of time, of benefit to others, organized, and self-struggling character [3].
2- Building the Muslim family: choosing a good wife (husband), educating children Islamicaly, and inviting other families.
3- Building the Muslim society (thru building individuals and families) and addressing the problems of the society realistically.
4- Building the Muslim state.
5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states).
6- Mastering the world with Islam.
...
Establishing the Islamic government:
Al-Ikhwan believe that ruling a government should be the step which follows preparing (most of) the society for accepting the Islamic laws. Otherwise, ruling a totally corrupt society thru a militant government-overthrow is a great risk [5]. Preparing the society is achieved thru plans for: spreading the Islamic culture, the possible media means, mosques, and da'wa work in public organizations such as syndicates, parliaments, student unions, ... [6]. Parallel to that, distinct muslims should be trained to administer political, economical, social, and student organizations efficiently (and Islamically), as another preparation step. Moreover, the Ikhwan don't demand the rule for themselves; they welcome any leader who wants to establish a TRUE Islamic government to have all the Ikhwanic support and help."
In addition to previous post:
note that the Muslim Brotherhood Movement confirms what mr. Spencer has been telling his readers over and over again (and what many Muslim apologists deny): that their Islamist world-conquering politics is directly inspired by the Quran and the Sunna; and that the purpose of da'wa, and the spreading of Islamic "culture", etc. is ultimately to establish an Islamic government. Everywhere. "Mastering the world with Islam". Do we even need to know more? What will the dialogue with them be about?
Here, the link once again so that it works:
http://www.ummah.org.uk/ikhwan/
Quote:
“I have complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America, because Islam has logic and a mission. The Europeans and the Americans will come into the bosom of Islam out of conviction.”
LMAO
On the issue of the Abrahamic texts: yes, it is true that other Abrahamic religions have gotten around problematic verses (of course several scholars reject this--among them Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer and Irving Greenberg), and Muslims have not for the most part. That, is precisely the battle of modern Islam. And that is why when people like Spencer seek to deny this occurrence, researchers such as myself take issue. What he ends up doing is aiding the very jihadists against whom he harangues: all they have to do is point out how deep-rooted his anti-Islam disposition and tell the Muslims that he represents western bigotry. {{{A portion of what Khaleel Mohammed wrote in his response to Robert Spencer]
What he says in his response - Is the VERY reason WHY this HAS TO BE placed upon the table of the United Nations!
Robert Sperncer IS NOT aiding Islamic 'terrorists' in any way shape or form!
What he is doing - Is exposing the VERY thing that is driving them.
And it is Khaleel Mohammed who needs take a GOOD look in the mirror.
If you don't bring the Koran with you - then you're NOT bring Islam with you!
You'd only be fooling yourself! - as people continue to be slaughtered - world-wide! {And that picture is NOT telling ANY lies!
Who can deny it?
On the issue of the Abrahamic texts: yes, it is true that other Abrahamic religions have gotten around problematic verses (of course several scholars reject this--among them Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer and Irving Greenberg), and Muslims have not for the most part. That, is precisely the battle of modern Islam. And that is why when people like Spencer seek to deny this occurrence, researchers such as myself take issue. What he ends up doing is aiding the very jihadists against whom he harangues: all they have to do is point out how deep-rooted his anti-Islam disposition and tell the Muslims that he represents western bigotry. {{{A portion of what Khaleel Mohammed wrote in his response to Robert Spencer]
What he says in his response to Robert Spencer - Is the VERY reason why this HAS TO BE placed upon the table of the United Nations! [less they all be Islamophobes who don't have the stomachs to 'eat up']
Robert Spencer is not aiding Islamic 'terrorists' - but rather - is exposing the very thing that is driving them.
Don't just take my word for it! Never do that. Taking the words of mere men will keep feeding the mass confusion.
Let us - let the Koran speak - and then you judge for yourselves what it is saying. Because no one has the right to say they are smarter than you are!!! NO ONE!
Khaleel Mohammed writes:
Mulia's position that the hijab is not mandatory is indeed the position of a large majority of women in Indonesia. But Spencer is upset that this woman who IS a scholar of Islam (whether she is a scholar of religion is another matter) should have made such a Qur'anic statement.
Instead he chooses to attack her by talking about the Islamic tradition in which Muhammad supposedly commands that when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her to display anything except her face and hands. This tradition, as indicated by his own phraseology, is just a tradition from the body of literature known as the hadith.
The writings explain themselves; PROOF
From the Koran:
002.078 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
002.079 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
And because Khaleel Mohammed gets slammed by both Jesus [concerning Christianity] and Muhammad - the prophet of the Koran - I will give these ones also:
The New Testament says this:
2Pe 1:20 No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1Jo 2:27 ye need not that any man teach you
And so - the same command goes for BOTH Islam AND Christianity - that the words of the books - TRUMP ALL!
It is important - because indiscriminate bloodshed [and things MORE DREADFUL - keep reading] is already on its way. Party is over; it is time to Speak Up in protest - or you can lie down and let it over-come you.
The choice is yours.
Khaleel Mohammed said:
As I have said before on Frontpagemag and elsewhere, this is a source of belief that is very problematic. It does not have the authority of the Qur'an and was made up long after Muhammad died. Musdah Mulia knows this, and for this reason, chose not to even follow this hadith. Now any student of Islam, within the first week, knows the difference between what Muhammad is supposed to have said, and what the Qur'an says. Spencer seeks to hide this issue.
And so you see - Khaleel Mohammed openly admits - that the Koran has ALL authority. [ALL Muslims do]
Then let all of us - let the Koran decide - who is telling the truth the most - between Khaleel Mohammed and Robert Spencer:
From the Koran:
003.059 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons when abroad: that is most convenient, that they should be known as such and not molested.
024.031 And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and
'''let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms''''
and not display their ornaments '''''except''''' to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need of women, or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women. [ONLY their family - young children - captive females - and male servants '''''not in any need of women''''']
Do non-Muslims go about in public?
What has the Koran decided?
Also:
004.015 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four Reliable witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some other way.
004.016 If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
Same crime - two different punishments
The men are more easily excused.
which brings us right back to Musdah Mulia, exulting that she “blames Muslims, not Islam, for gender inequity”
LISTEN UP AMERICAM WOMEN!!!!!
and read these....
023.056 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or the captives whom their right hands possess,- for in their case they are free from blame
033.050 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated from Makka with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers at large [ONLY for Muhammad]
033.051 Thou mayest defer the turn of any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose turn thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them
Pay close attention to this following:
033.052 It is not lawful for thee to marry more women after this, nor to change them for other wives, even though their beauty attract thee, ''''except any thy right hand should possess'''' as handmaidens
They are permitted to trade back and forth the ones they took as prisoners of war [after killing their men] - as though they are merchandise for having their way with them. [justifiable mass rape]
The dumbest Americans - are the female Americans - who keep defending Islam.
The American men are to be slaughtered [until the land is thoroughly subdued 008.067 ] and their wives and daughters raped by non-Muslim men - as they please.
Lets go back to Khaleel Mohammed:
The Jewish and ''''Christian women'''' of Muhammad's time wore head coverings,
and these also were an indication of demarcation between a slave woman and a free woman. The Qur’an (24:31, 33:59), as any good scholar will tell you, is NOT incipiently ordaining the hijab--but simply telling the women HOW the head covering is to be worn--that it is to be drawn over the breasts. The Qur'an is addressing a society where the head covering is obviously a norm. If time and place have changed, or "if the reason is no longer there, the ruling is obsolete" (in the words of the jurists), then such as Mulia's ilk have the right to view the hijab as no longer needed.
No where does the Koran say: "If time and place have changed, or if the reason is no longer there, the ruling is obsolete"
Islamic 'scholars' may say so - But the Koran does not.
If so - find the words that do says so - and present them.
Otherwise - it is a lie.
And remember:
002.078 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
002.079 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
"Christian women .... wore head coverings"
The New Testament will show - that such a thing is not commanded:
In the beginning of this chapter - Paul is repeating some things to the Corinthians - that he was being told about them - fighting over this very tradition - head coverings. And this was the final conclusion:
1Cr 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Cr 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Cr 11:15 If a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
1Cr 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. [their fighting over it was worse than if they did or if they didn't. It then becomes a form of idol worship - fearing the tradition more than God Himself]
Back to Khaleel Mohammed:
Did the Qur'an initiate polygamy, or are the verses of the Qur'an meant to LIMIT the number of wives a man may have to four? And did the Qur'an specify that "if you fear that you cannot be just...and you can never be just, then only one"? And did the Jews, Christians and other cultures of seventh century Arabia not practise polygamy?
It is forbidden! for all Christians - and always was. PROOF:
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The very first Christians appeared in Antioch [not Jerusalem] - and the Law had already been given...
Mat 5:32 But I [Jesus] say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach
1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
That is the law of the Christians. IT existed before they did.
Back to Khaleel Mohammed:
Once it can be proven that there is misinformation or a crass ignorance on the part of the author of any article, then reason would dictate that such a person be disregarded as an authority.
Disregard ALL of them - and get it straight from the Koran....
Now - armed with these truths - go and tell ALL of your neighbors! and tell them to tell their neighbors - and it will be tedious in getting them to realize what you are telling them. But don't give the fight.
And AFTER enough people find out - maybe they'll get the energy to unite and put it to the U.N. [who has already condemned all who are 'Islamophobics']
And this is the Weapon of all weapons - because it gives The God who condemns ALL forms of human violence - FAR more credibility than 'allah' and will show the Palestinians that they are ONLY being used by the rest of Islam.
Isa 52:15 So shall He sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at Him {and not the mere words of humans]: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. {This is the Lord Who "ALL knowingly and Wisely" knew to make mention of Palestine for end times. The Koran forgot to mention it - and it should have - because Palestine is a FACT - and it is Islam who is demanding that it be established]
and so...
that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. {Song of Moses - the saints 'sing' this song} Rev 15:3
If you are wise American women - you'll see the power that prophecy has -and you'd get up Shout!
Put your skills of 'bitching' to good use. Maybe your men will never complain about it again [smile]
Correction
The American men are to be slaughtered [until the land is thoroughly subdued 008.067 ] and their wives and daughters raped
by Muslim men - not non-Muslim men {correction
- as they please.