From AP via ABC News, "Violent Uprising Breaks Out in Uzbekistan"
ANDIJAN, Uzbekistan — Thousands of people, many of them armed, took to the streets of an eastern Uzbek city on Friday, demanding freedom for 23 prominent businessmen on trial for alleged ties to an Islamic terror group. The protest quickly turned violent, with nine people reported killed and dozens wounded in clashes with police.Uzbek President Islam Karimov and other leaders immediately rushed to Andijan, where witnesses reported chaos in the streets and security forces firing in the air. The city 300 miles east of Tashkent near the Kyrgyz border has been the scene of growing unrest in recent weeks.
The Russian news agency ITAR-Tass agency said armed protesters surrounded police in two districts. Nine people were killed and more than 30 wounded, it said. In a sign of the seriousness of the situation, the government cut all foreign TV news programming, replacing them with Uzbek and foreign entertainment channels.
Tensions were also running high in the capital Tashkent, where police shot and killed a man they mistakenly thought was a suicide bomber outside the Israeli Embassy. The man was carrying wooden objects that appeared to be explosives, said a police official who wished to remain unnamed.
Both the Israeli and the U.S. embassies in Tashkent have been targeted by suicide bombers in the last year. The government blames Islamic extremists...
Witnesses said some of the protesters attacked a prison and freed its inmates. Atakhonjonov said he could not confirm reports that the crowd had attacked an army garrison as well...
There is a lot of terrorism going on in Russia and the area. I read Moscow news, and every day there is one or more (usually more)terrorist events of somekind...Russian police are constantly arresting terrorists driving around with a cars full of explosives, or weapons, raiding suspected terrorist hide-outs...the terrorists are busy killing people and blowing things up...if the US was getting as many internal terrorist attacks as Russia, Americans would be freaking out....
Since these terrorists are just a tiny minority, who aren't real Muslims anyways, they seem to get a darn awful lot of popular support from all the regular peaceful tolerant Muslims.
Wonder why we didn't see people in the streets with guns over Martha Stwart?? Or that Tyco Guy??
Or any other Bussiness guy[gal] who was put in jail??
Maybe because we aint a mulsum country and think that they should have been put in jail!!
duh_swami
AND JUST THINK WHAT AMERICANS WOULD DO IF THAT SH-T WAS GOING ON HERE CAIR AND THE ACLU WOULD DISAPPEAR REAL FAST FROM THE NEWS BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD GET REALLY PISSED!!!
AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS FAVORED TO THE MULSUM CAUSE WOULD BE IN REAL TROUBLE HELL LOOK AT HOW PISSED PEOPLE WERE OVER ENRON!!! AND THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE GETTING BLOWN UP??
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, Wisdom, and Courage to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them let not the World be Deceived by them Amen
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Gold Star for you today!!
Catherine.....Your right about Cair/aclu disappearing...
not only that, but I think street gangs would rise against muslims, making life miserable for them in big cities. Americans will ignore all those dhimmiatric rationalizations from gov (Condi style) and go for the throat. A Belsen school incident in the US would make Muslims an endangered species...
And still Western governments around the world continue to lie to us about this "minority" threat that is Islamic Terrorism.
What a charade.
And as we know The Islamic day set aside for rioting is friday
The days in the Islamic week are;-
First day of the week Friday
Second day of the week Friday
Third day of the week Friday
Forth day of the week Friday
Fifth day of the week Friday
Sixth day of the week Friday
Seventh day of the week Friday
Here's the dilemna in Uzbekistan and elsewhere's in the former Soviet Union.
The President of Uzbekistan is a Stalinist, and a secularist, that has held power since the break of the Soviet Union.
Uzbekistan,is the poorest of the nations of the former USSR, and the most populated.
Most Uzbekis are secular. Thanks to "atheistic" communism.
However the resurgent Islamist movement, is terrorizing the country.
And when the secular Stalinist Uzbek government retaliates against Islamic terror, in the only way it can, which is ruthlessly, it is accused of violating human rights. And is considered to have the worst human rights record of any nation.
However, Islam in toto has the worst record of human rights, and the problem is that the the word nation needs to be redefined.
Islam is a nation, Islamics themselves talk about it as such, a worldwide community of believers, the moslemah. It is a nation without borders, but with a clear ideology and "constitution" Shari'a, and a flag the green banner of Muhammad,and the black banner of Ali.
The words of many posters here, who claim to want peace and justice, are exposed as hollow when repressive, tyrannical and dictatorial governments are targetting Muslims. The hypocrisy is truly amazing.
More on the Uzbek "riots"
Shukri, 10 years ago people would have cared. After all, the West did fight a war to defend Muslims in Kosovo.
Thanks to the global Jihad, nobody gives a shit anymore. You reap what you sow.
Shukri
This what you wrote,
The words of many posters here, who claim to want peace and justice, are exposed as hollow when repressive, tyrannical and dictatorial governments are targetting Muslims.
Correct.
Now is this also correct.
President Islam Karimov is a muslim,yes,leading a goverment that is repressive,tyrannical, dictatorial and targetting Muslims.
Why did you overlook the fact that President Islam Karimov is a muslim
Your hypocrisy is truly amazing.
Thanks to the global Jihad, nobody gives a shit anymore. You reap what you sow.
Muslims need to wake up to that ugly reality, stop pointing fingers at others, and take some responsibility for themselves, their actions and words.
Whose bears the responsibility for the world's preception of Islam? Muslims that is who.
f.g.
"Demonstrations serve no purpose, we should do something practical. I am ready to blow myself up for the sake of my religion to embrace martyrdom," said Mohammad Ghafoor, 18, a student protesting in Peshawar, Pakistan.
From http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13334903.htm
Do something practical, like blowing yourself up? I can't get over the sheer stupidity of that. Just because someone claims a copy of a certain book was flushed down a toilet somewhere you are ready to kill yourself over it?
The Middle East is in dire need of mental health professionals. Any mental health worker worth their salt can tell you that Ghafoor has a mental disorder.
f.g.
Update on Uzbekistan.
According to Deutsche Welle TV, the US Administration has issued a warning to the Government of Uzbekistan to go easy on demonstrators.
The demonstrators were fired up because 23 Business men were tried for having relations with and supporting radical Islamist organizations.
Bush is again on the wrong side of the issue.
Peace and justice Islamic style is submission, Shari'a and rule by clerics. Which is just another form of fascism.
It is the inalienable right of all men and women to resist fascism (in whatever ideological garb it clothes itself, and regardless of its obfuscation).
Uzbekistan is fighting for it's life against Islamic fascism, and one doesn't fight fascism through tolerance. Our experience with the Axis in WWII taught us that, then again the Muslims were allied with the Axis in WWII, weren't they.
I'd like to echo young Mr. Ghafoor's sentiments.
We should do something practical!
I'm ready to go out and buy a few copies of the Qur'an and desecrate them myself. I'm not willing to try flushing one down the toilet, as plumbers charge by the hour, but I might stand outside and have someone discretely video tape me 'marking' one of them.
The recorded act could be sent to selected newspapers and other 'journalistic' outlets in various 'muslim' countries. If the mere allegation of a 'Quar'anic desecration' can cause the current uproar, imagine what the real thing could do.
And, hey. Why not select a day next week. We could all perform this public service simultaneously, at our collective homes around the world, and send many videos.
Mr. Ghafoor. Get your explosive vest ready!
You muslims had better get a handle on your emotions. If you freaks even DARED to do crap like this inside the USA, you'd just add another slit to your collective throats.
After the next (notice I say "after, not if") the next muslim attack inside the US, we will not hesitate, will not regret, will not think twice about doing what needs to be done... Strike us once, shame on us.. strike us twice, shame on YOU.
Just give it a shot. Dare ya. One car bomb.... one suicide bomber... just ONE obviously outward act of terrorism inside our borders will do you in for good. I think you know this is factual, so you take your menacing behavior to other places where people are not so strong. The shame that you must feel should be tremendous. You are cowards, weaklings and whores of satan incarnate. When the population of the US (sans the muslims of course) says, "Bring it On!" We mean it. So bring it on already, so we can just end this shitfest once and for all.
You see, muslims, we're not ruled by the government.. the PEOPLE rule the government. And, if the PEOPLE don't like what the government is doing we can and will take matters into our own hands. This is the unique structure of the USA that you fail to comprehend, and this incomprehension will indeed, fail you.
You think you have the upper hand with groups like CAIR, the UN, the leftist elite... what you fail to understand, is that the American Public has complete control over these entities and we are comfortably able to show them the door.. All it will take is one more attack.
And, don't think that you can get us through the back door by going through European countries... You may gain what you THINK is a stronghold, but trust us... we KNOW what you're doing, we SEE what you're doing and we will eliminate your threat. If you are so stupid to think that the entire West is not checking you out, and laying plans to eliminate you, think again.
Profiling. Survelliance. Plants.
Read it, weep, and control your filthy muslim whore dogs before we eliminate the lot of you.
Best regards!
P.S. Puleeeze stop feeding shukri. Shukri just inadvertently signed up for the "I don't wanna be a fat piggie no more" club, so we can't entice her with ears of any kind. Especially ears of corn, or ears of pork.
Shukri, best of luck at the piggie farm... just don't shut the place down because it's called the 'piggie farm'. As we know, the name of the farm itself would insult your muslim sensibilities, and Grandma and Grandpa Smith, who have owned this farm for generations really don't want to have to change the name, simply because it contains the word 'piggie', which is offensive to you. Please don't make Grandpa Smith break out the shotgun :o
Hm, muslims killing muslims and I couldn't care less. Why is that, I wonder?
Posted by: disillusionised_german at May 13, 2005 10:45 PM
Because you are smart!!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC ETRRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
SexyKafira1, you beat me to it again.
('So bring it on already, so we can just end this shitfest once and for all.')
My only fear sexykafira1, is that when this does happen and it will, because it just has to, 'that so many innocent kafira's will be lost, in the name of their satanic maggot pig farker of a prophet Mohammed'.
But then SexyFafira1, they have all of us kafira virgins waiting for them. But I suppose virgins are the only thing that can make them man. Because only cowards blow up unarmed men, women and children who are going about their day to day lives.
I simply cannot believe how heads of governments can allow the multi nationals to squeeze their balls so that they bow down to these Islamic Oil Whore pieces of pig shit, in order to keep the oil flowing. Maybe the reason why bush was holding Saudi Prince's hand was because bushie had just had a good ball squeezing and now we see the result -
'Update on Uzbekistan.'
According to Deutsche Welle TV, the US Administration has issued a warning to the Government of Uzbekistan to go easy on demonstrators.
Bush is again on the wrong side of the issue.
Posted by: Giaour at May 13, 2005 04:07 PM
So bring it on already, so we can just end this shitfest once and for all.
Um, I think the US GOVERNMENT is now in the hands of the Saudi's? Is this Saudi Policy we are seeing?
BTW, it looked like bushie was walking a little delicately ...
Some sort of mass movement of infidels 'marking' Korans might not be a bad message to send to the Ummah. It's a good message for the administration too.
PRCS says:
"And, hey. Why not select a day next week. We could all perform this public service simultaneously, at our collective homes around the world, and send many videos."
Just the idea of that sent me into fits of giggles. Thanks PRCS.
As a kind of experiment, I would like to have similar desecratations on Bibles, Torahs, Bagvad Ghitas, Korans etc. etc. And see which of the represented populations goes into an aggressive rage over the incidents.
Most societies have reached an enlightenment and realize that it is the ideas that are of the highest importance and not the physical pages of some tome.
Of course certain historical copies of ancient texts should be respected, so the above experiment would be performed with brand new bookstore copies.
O.K.
I'm off to Amazon.com then.
There is very little difference between the regime in Uzbekistan and the erstwhile regime in Iraq.
Viz:
Socialist - secular - excessively brutal - undemocratic & hostile to Islamists
The only difference is that they suck up to the USA - (like Sadam did in the 1980's). As Iraq had no WMD's and had not attacked a neighbour for over a decade, the USA could just as well have attacked Uzbekistan as Iraq. The USA's double standards are amazing, and have been for over 50 years.
Personally, I don't give a damn how many Islamists they kill, but unfortunately the Uzbek regime's blood lust extends to secular Uzbek democrats, who end up (somewhat justifiably) condemning US interests in their country. You alienate the very people you should be supporting, probably with disastrous repercussions for the future (how many A bombs did the Soviets have?). America has learnt nothing about short-sighted backing of brutal regimes for short term gains. Supporting subservient authoritarian governments failed dramatically in South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, Philippines etc. and it will likewise fail in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Uzbekistan. You talk about flushing the Koran down the toilet - your governments have been flushing your nation's overseas credibility down the toilet for decades.
When such regimes are overthrown (as they always are) the USA always ends up looking like a hypocrite guilty party instead of a champion of liberty.
You all rant and rave about nasty Muslims rioting - but you miss the bigger picture.
The USA has to disengage completely from all Muslim countries, openly proclaim itself a Christian theocracy and internally suppress Islam. Nothing else you do [against Islam] will ever pay any dividends. Teaching Muslims about democracy at the cost of American lives is futile; backing regimes like Uzbekistan is downright crazy.
I mean - jeeez, you can't even find OBL! How long have you had? 4 years??? How much does the CIA cost you? You talk about changing the Islamic world and you can't even take care of one individual Muslim. You're crap, admit it. Be honest.
To compliment the USA on its foreign policy is like complimenting the emperor's new clothes.
Your real enemies are the Muslims at the bottom of your road - not those rioting in Tashkent.
UZBEK join in - muslims killing muslims because they hate EVERYBODY (and they told us - all because the "evil" American made us this way - even our PC politicians believe this load of pigwaste!)?
PC=victimhood=dhimmitude
PCKills!
stop worldwide PC now
USA demand Second Amendment Rights in Full now! Is the govt going to protect us? Not!
Rebecca, what an interesting article, but you forgot to mention possible causes for the rioting (besides Islam of course), such as this:
"They put a gas mask on him and started torturing him. He was shouting, crying. I have never heard such a sound coming from a human being.”
This is how the Uzbek government, that staunch ally of that epitome of civillisation, the USA, treats political dissidents. Read more about it here:
http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2002/12/ennews04122002_h.html
and here:
"Shelkavenko’s scrotum was unevenly blackened and swollen, and he had a long indentation at the top of his left thigh"
http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2004/05/ennews21052004_h.html
and here:-
"Separately, international human rights groups had reported that torture in Uzbek jails included boiling of body parts, using electroshock on genitals and plucking off fingernails and toenails with pliers. Two prisoners were boiled to death, the groups reported."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/01/MNGE5CI9MO1.DTL
(Civillised isn't it? An example to those rabble-rousing rioters)
Not, of course, that the US is unaware of this - they actually outsource their torture to Uzbekistan by sending suspects there.
What surprises me is that Uzbeks are only rioting now.
Am I being PC? I'm so sorry. I shall immediately retract everything I've said and attribute every desperate human response in the Muslim world to Islam.
tger, regarding the "similar desecratations on Bibles, Torahs, Bagvad Ghitas, Korans etc. etc" I think it's a great idea.....I also think you might be surprised.
Now I get it, the US is responsible for the acts of the Uzbekistan gov. The long arm of Bush reaches into every corner of evil and corruption. What a revelation...Does Putin know about this???The only thing I'm surprised about is why Ganymede forgot to give Jews their fair of blame. Well, maybe on future post Ganymede can get around to illuminating us about Jewish guilt...
duh_swami,
“Now I get it, the US is responsible for the acts of the Uzbekistan gov.”
It is guilty of *complicity* in those acts because it has supported the Uzbek govt in the full knowledge that that govt. has committed the sort of horrific acts of torture that I have detailed above.
“The long arm of Bush reaches into every corner of evil and corruption.”
Not every corner, just a fair few.
“What a revelation...Does Putin know about this???”
If he didn’t he’d be deaf and blind - not least because of the continuing American military presence on Uzbek soil, which has also previously included what was one of the main bases for US troops during the war on Afghanistan (I suppose that’s a revelation to you too?)
“The only thing I'm surprised about is why Ganymede forgot to give Jews their fair of blame. Well, maybe on future post Ganymede can get around to illuminating us about Jewish guilt...”
I didn’t mention Jews – you did.
It seems that you have the right to defend American foreign policy even to the extent of whitewashing its guilt in supporting a government that has committed acts of horrific torture such as those I have described above……..but that’s ok, of course. If I claim the right to object, that must surely make me an anti-Semite.