NJ: Hospital Security Breach

"New York — Imagine - people posing as doctors and inspectors, just walking into a hospital and demanding information and patient records."

Maybe it’s the only way that they could "be" doctors and nurses. I mean with what the Koran says on human biology (apart from how to hack off heads and limbs of infidels, why you can beat women & circumcise them, etc) how else can they get any medical training???? In the 21st century in 7th century Islamic countries????

Honest - they were just playing "doctors and nurses".

These Islamic scum are everywhere!
We must clean up our act and disable these freaks.

Seems to me that if they claim to be doctors, it would be a simple matter to test their knowledge and/or their education.

If they fail the test, they can have a special injection of AllahJuice.

If muslims can kill little children on their first day of school (Beslan), then I'm sure that blowing up a hospital full of sick people wouldn't be beneath them either. When will we be rid of the scourge called islam? When??

I swear this is just toooo funny, I'm laughing my head off here. HA HA HA

"Imagine - people posing as doctors and inspectors, just walking into a hospital and demanding information and patient records. Now the Department of Homeland Security is taking action."

Imagine people entering a supermarket and walking around. Imagine these same people occasionally picking something up and placing it into their shopping trolley.

"Two days later, a man and woman walked into the emergency room at Robert Wood Johnson Hospital in New Brunswick, also requesting a tour."

HA HA HA HA HA

I just wish you could see me, HA HA HA HA

I just wish you could see me, HA HA HA HA

Posted by: ia786 at May 7, 2005 08:28 AM

I'm glad we CAN'T see you... after all, I wouldn't want to barf up my cheerios at the sight of a stinky muslim male.

Didn't the hospitals in question ask to see any credentials?

If not, why not?

I would hope hospitals would call law enforcement if a doctor unknown to any of the staff appeared wishing to tour the hospital.

Sheesh!

Apparently, medical expertise can be had without having even a modicum of common sense.

"I'm glad we CAN'T see you... after all, I wouldn't want to barf up my cheerios at the sight of a stinky muslim male."

Stinky Muslim Male, No no, old chap. Cleanliness is part of my faith. I follow the Sunnah of my beloved, I take great care in how I look, I wear nice clothes and like to give a good impression.
However this does cause problems as I have a lot of non-Muslim girls running after me, all of them seeking my company and friendship.

God is the best of Judges.

HEY, ia76!

YES, YOU!

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However this does cause problems as I have a lot of non-Muslim girls running after me, all of them seeking my company and friendship.

God is the best of Judges.

Posted by: ia786 at May 7, 2005 09:10 AM

OK I barfed. Are you happy now?

ia786:

Cat got your tongue?

That friend of yours Khomeini is really quite a guy, don't ya think?

Chech him out in the "Quotes of Interest" at my blog : http://muslimsandme.blogspot.com/

And...feel free to leave me a comment or two? OK?

Have a nice day! :)

Now where is Shukri?

Here Shukri, Shukri, Shukri!

Come on out and you can talk the talk or is it AllahSpeak?

Oh come on! Well, OK then, AllahAllahInComeFree!

"Cleanliness is part of my faith" - ia'

Of course it is ia - or else your little nine year old girls wouldn't want to have sex with you. Oh thats right, you follow Mohammed (may pigs piss be upon him), you'd force yourself onto a little helpless nine year old.

I'm still waiting on your reply to my question

"did Mohammed REALLY have sex with a nine year old, or was it just "spiritual" intercourse?"

Do I need a Mufti to explain these verses?? Or do we take them litterally?

ia786:

Where in England are you? London?

Maybe we can meet when I come over there in June?
You know, have a spot of tea and all that.

Are you up for it?

I'll show you how to walk the walk while you give me the AllahSpeak! What say?

ia - go put your money where your mouth is. Go protect those Muslims in Iraq. Become a suicide bomber.

I bet ia shaves his hiney. After all, mo (pork be upon him) liked smooth booties and pre-pubescent girls! Says so in the q'ran! muslims are some sick freaks.....

wait for it! wait for it!! I can "feel" an ia mammoth 'cut and paste' coming on........that always shows us infidels.

Go into a long rant, totally off topic. It is hard to defend the indefensible.

This article states:

The identity of these intruders remain unknown. We do know that security cameras at the Newton Hospital did capture video of the three men pretending to be doctors. That tape is now in the hands of the FBI.

Why isn't this video being broadcast on msm news and posted in local papers? Release the video and let the general public help identify the culprits. We all have a vested interest in determining the extent and reasons for breaching hospital security.

DHS issues guidance on fake hospital inspectors (PDF)

BillR, I won't visit your cyber hell hole. Its for you, You can't do anything in the real world, I'm happy for you, get your Islamaphobes together and have some fun, let all your anger and frustration out. Go fot it. You can’t do anything in real life so go for it.

"Do I need a Mufti to explain these verses?? Or do we take them litterally?"

Go for it.

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"Where in England are you? London?

Maybe we can meet when I come over there in June?
You know, have a spot of tea and all that.

Are you up for it?

I'll show you how to walk the walk while you give me the AllahSpeak! What say?"

You will show me how to walk the walk while I give you the AllahSpeak??? What are you talking about??? I don't know what you are trying to say, are you threatening me old chap.

Please explain.

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"I bet ia shaves his hiney."

What the hell is a hiney???

"are you threatening me old chap.

Please explain." - ia

No look who's being paranoid. ia we infidels are NOTHING as you so frequently put it. Why be afraid? You do have your moon god Allah (may pigs piss be upon him)

"get your Islamaphobes ....." ia

The first sign that someone cannot debate you on facts alone, is that they resort to labels in order to "put down" their opponent. Islamaphobes is so unoriginal ia - can't you at least be more creative.

Oh silly me, not many creative ones amongst you Muslims (unlike the Jews Christians, and come to think of it Ghandi - Hindus)

ia~ your attempts to laugh it up don't explain away the situation. Why don't you make an effort to Rationalize why this is Not any kind of threat, or is that beyond your capability?

Present your argument.

"get your Islamaphobes ....." ia

The first sign that someone cannot debate you on facts alone, is that they resort to labels in order to "put down" their opponent.

Labels! you are Islamaphobes. Am I wrong in stating this?

This has always been a serious concern, as people can easily find uniforms, badges, and even steal company vehicles that would have common access to moderatly secured areas. There have been police uniforms stolen,and recently somone ordered several UPS uniforms and later the maufacturer of these uniforms found that they where sent to a unacceptable address( where was the security there? Most people that enter government buildings are thoroughly searched and go through a metal detector, however I have observed as people dressed in suits simply bypassed these security measures completely by showing a badge on their belt and nothing more. I think everyone should pass through these security measures even if you are in law enforcement. A little inconvenience is better then a little bit to much insecurity.

Ok, ia786, since you dont want to read about your friend the Ayatollah, I'll just paste them here for your reading pleasure, howz that?

Apparently, to become an Ayatollah one has to write a thesis on Islam. I guess it's a sort of PHD program. Anyway, check out a couple of gems from Ayatollah Khomeinis:

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

"It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

"A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."

"Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel."

Oh, and ia786. I'm not threatening you. I just wanted to show you how to walk the walk since you and Shukri are so good at talking the talk. Sheesh! Don't get your shorts all in wad! Wad? Sorry, I meant an AllahWad!

"ia - go put your money where your mouth is. Go protect those Muslims in Iraq. Become a suicide bomber."

No way. I will resist the extremists encouraging me to commit a crime against innocents. I will follow my religion, Islam, The fastest growing faith in the World. I will follow Islam to the best of my ability, I will stay strong. You will not be able to persuade me. I will not become a suicide bomber.

The comments section continues to degrade.

Instead of getting responses to the subject of Robert's posting, we get diverted by trolls, followed by swapping of childish insults.

Why not just ignore the trolls? Their aim is to disrupt and they're doing a good job. Stop taking the bait. Enough already with the lewd, stupid insults.

Oh BillR so you like that sort of stuff, I've got more for you.

Enjoy. From the Talmud.

Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. — Sanhedrin 55b

MISHNAH A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse … (Niddah 44b)

In the world of the Talmud Sages, grown men have sexual intercourse with girls younger than three years old. The young girls are wounded and bleed from the activity, but the Talmud Sages were of the opinion that in one so young, virginity comes back: "Intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye," (Niddah 44b) and the tears come back again and again. Apparently the Sages attributed the repeated bleeding during copulations to the repeated rupture of the regenerated hymen.

Leviticus 18:22 prohibits a man lying with a man, but not with a young boy. Thus the Talmud Sages reason:

Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty … Sanhedrin 54b

Rabbi Dr. Freedman, Talmud scholar and translator, explains in his running commentary that "… if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred."(13)

Brother Takes Three-Year-Old Widow
In Tractate Niddah, again there is approval for priests to marry and copulate with baby girls. This passage describes a situation in which a priest dies without children, leaving a three-year-old widow. In such case, the priest's brother (the yebam) can acquire the girl by having sexual intercourse with her. The ellipsis (…) in the following Mishna indicates the omission of non-germane text. The full text is available through the link at the Come and Hear™ link, below.

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH.
— Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308

Terumah is the word for temple offerings eaten by priests. This statement indicates that the three-year-old bride is the widow of the priest in all respects and privileges.

In the passage below, we see that the widow of a man who is not a priest can be sexually possessed by her erstwhile brother-in-law and thereby become his wife.

GEMARA. … R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376

The statement quoted above from Tractate Sanhedrin 55b also appears in Tractate Sanhedrin 69a, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 469.

Wounding Young Brides by Intercourse
The Sages go on to discuss sexual intercourse with a girl younger than three years old: Wounding the child and causing her to bleed is one possible result. From the Sages' description, it is apparent that the baby bleeds again and again from copulation with a grown man, and the Sages, once again, attribute the bleeding to the repetitive rupturing of the hymen (i.e., virginity growing back).

In the following Mishnah, non-germane text is omitted (…). Please follow the source link to view the complete Mishnah.

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309

The image of "a finger in the eye" is once again explained in the following Gemara. The possibility that the three-year-old committed adultery with a stranger is also addressed:

GEMARA. … IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. It was asked, Do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again or is it possible that they cannot be completely destroyed until after the third year of her age? In what practical respect could this matter? — In one, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her before the age of three and found blood, and when he had intercourse after the age of three he found no blood. If you grant that they disappear and reappear again [it might well be assumed] that there 'was not sufficient time for their reappearance, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years it would be obvious that a stranger cohabited with her. Now what is your decision? — R. Hiyya son of R. Ika demurred: But who can tell us that a wound inflicted within the three years is not healed forthwith, seeing it is possible that it is immediately healed and it would thus be obvious that a stranger had cohabited with her? Rather the practical difference is the case, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her while she was under three years of age and found blood and when he had intercourse after the age of three he also found blood. If you grant that the features disappear and reappear again the blood might well be treated as that of virginity, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years, that must be the blood of menstruation. Now what is your decision? — R. Hisda replied, Come and hear: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE; what need was there to state, LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE' instead of merely saying: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS of no consequence'? Does not this then teach us that as the eye tears and tears again so do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 45a
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 309-310

ia786 said "I will not become a suicide bomber."

Oh please?
Pretty please?

I'll get you a Semtex jock strap if you do. That way all the beautifil girls will admire your manhood and then you can really give it to them.

Pease? Just for me?

"I'll get you a Semtex jock strap if you do"

What the hell is that???

Sorry BillR, my religion comes first, it forbids suicide and I will follow my religion. My religion which is also the Fastest Growing religion in the World is the main thing in my life, I will follow the teachings of Islam.

What's the matter ia786, don't like what your buddy says is ok?

No problem. Just thought I'd kinda clear up a few questions some of us had about your personal life.

No need to blush, we understand, don't we boys and girls?

Murder threat after prayer vigel for Australian hostage Douglas.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1260&storyid=3081106

Teachings of Islam?

Really?

You mean you don't want to be a martyr? That's not suicide, it's self sacrafice, it's what Islam is all about!

Please? Pretty Please?

"No problem. Just thought I'd kinda clear up a few questions some of us had about your personal life.

No need to blush, we understand, don't we boys and girls?"

What are you talking about?!?!

ia786 said "What are you talking about?!?!"

Why I'm talking about what your buddy Ayatollah Khomeini said, don't you remember?

Come on, Ia. Answer my question? Why in your opinion is this doctors bit of no concern? Whether it be muslims attempting it, or anyone else?

When you have problems with a coffeefilter, call:

http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/001726.html

Mr.ia786:

If you choose to make quotes from the Old Testament which is not the testament of Jesus Christ, than please at least quote it correctly.--

- Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a women; such a thing is an abomination. This verse from the old testament reflects the term "male only". Also keep in mind that Mohammed spent most of his time learning about the the New Testament before he went into the cave and came out with his interpretaion from the Angel Gabriel when he was over 40 years old.

Mackie

3rdtimelucky
you where right,makes you a better prophet than mohammed
wait for it! wait for it!! I can "feel" an ia mammoth '

you are Islamaphobes

This leads to a conundrum in the uneducated kuffar, fear or conversion. There is a third option, fight back.

If the governments of the West continue to play softball with your demented, inhuman jihadis straight out of the Seventh Century, the patience of some of the good civilized people of the West will finally wear out. You don't want to be here when that happens.

Now go primp yourself up in the mirror, metrosexual man.

Any man, of any race, who sexually abuses a child should have their privates cut off and shoved down their throats.
However, which religion in the PRESENT DAY allows and encourages the sexual abuse of children?
The only one I know of is Islam.
IA786, I hope that you will be willing to take a stand against this practice.

ia786 said "My religion which is also the Fastest Growing religion in the World ...."

Ok. To quote Mr Sagan, "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof." So lets see your unimpeachable source. I assume you have taken your data from the CIA factbook or some other disreputable source.

ia786, you mentioned that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. You are incorrect. Growth rates are as follows: Although you Muslims claim you're the fastest growing religion in the world (2.13), Baha'is are growing at a faster rate (2.28) and faster still are Zoroastrians (2.65). Islam is only in 204 of the world's 238 nations. Christianity is in all 238 nations.

Here you go, ill-informed one: Every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims.

The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the uncivilized parts of the world where Muslims are largest.

The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water.

You also mentioned that those who cannot debate the issues with you resort to name-calling.

Lastly, you came across looking like you want to give the impression that you're proud of your physical appearance.

Apparently you were laughing about something?

"I just wish you could see me, HA HA HA HA"

Posted by: ia786 at May 7, 2005 08:28 AM

Islamophobe is a fake word. You should try to use something that is genuine, not made up by some bulbous headed militant Muslim jackass in Washington. No one fears you, or Islam. If you had any spine you'd acknowledge that Islam has many problems, and is in need of reform.

I can debate the facts with you, but I'm also quite easy with calling imbeciles like you names.

Honestly, I wish I could see you. Right in front of me. It would be a pleasure to slap you around a while just to watch that shit eating grin disappear from your grill. Then after the tears come to your eyes, a thumb between your mastoid and mandible would have you apologizing all over the place, crying for your mama.

Trouble is, punks like you run their mouths until they're addressed properly, then they wipe the blood from their lip, limp over to the nearest phone, and call the police to press charges for fake hate crimes. I've seen it a thousand times.

It appears more likely that it is you who should get the facts straight. But, your robotic, predictable comments demonstrate that you're nothing but another Islamic fundamentalist apologist.

Instead of coming off like some cocky little dirty diaper, why don't you make yourself useful and show up at the anti-terror march in Washington, D.C. on May 14th. Or would that make you a "bad Muslim"?

"However, which religion in the PRESENT DAY allows and encourages the sexual abuse of children?"

I have taken quotes from the Talmud, they encourage this. Please read:

GEMARA. … R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH.
— Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308

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"If you choose to make quotes from the Old Testament which is not the testament of Jesus Christ, than please at least quote it correctly."

Sorry about that.

"Then Abishai the son of Zeruiah said to the king, "Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? Let me go over and take off his head."... And there is also with you Shimei the son of Gera, the Benjaminite from Bahurim, who cursed me with a grievous curse on the day when I went to Mahanaim; but when he came down to meet me at the Jordan, I swore to him by the LORD, saying, ‘I will not put you to death with the sword.' Now therefore hold him not guiltless, for you are a wise man; you will know what you ought to do to him, and you shall bring his gray head down with blood to Sheol." 2 Samuel 16:9, 1 Kings 2:8

We must stop distracting this young troll from his studies.
Only 2 days ago he posted this:-
"I'm 20 by the way.
I won't be able to post as much now, I am a lot busier these days. Got quite a bit of work to catch up on."

And I replied:-

"ia, If you keep staying up so late posting on here until well into the night you are going to fail those exams.

And if you don't get your NVQ, or whatever young people take these days, your parents won't be able to get you the pretty little wife with the big dowry."

So why are you still here?
Go and do some real work.
Now.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please do not feed the trolls.

"Honestly, I wish I could see you. Right in front of me. It would be a pleasure to slap you around a while just to watch that shit eating grin disappear from your grill. Then after the tears come to your eyes, a thumb between your mastoid and mandible would have you apologizing all over the place, crying for your mama."

Bring it on little man. You try to slap me and I will break your face.

"It appears more likely that it is you who should get the facts straight. But, your robotic, predictable comments demonstrate that you're nothing but another Islamic fundamentalist apologist.

Instead of coming off like some cocky little dirty diaper, why don't you make yourself useful and show up at the anti-terror march in Washington, D.C. on May 14th. Or would that make you a "bad Muslim"?"

I have stated this many times on here and FFI, I am a moderate. I hate Islamic extremists as much, if not more than you. I have done so much to fight Wahabis/Salafis. I guarantee that I've done more than any one here. I support the aim of this website, however I do see a hidden agenda. No distinctions are being made by Robert Spencer. All Muslims are bad, if you attacked Extremists and supported the moderates you would have so much more support that I guarantee you.

The people here are being led down the wrong path.

ia786,

Can't you do better than that? I mean, I can point you to several "marriages" of 9 year olds even today. In fact, your buddy Khomeini married one a couple of years ago. He's probably used her all up by now though.

How 'bout you? Are you up for it?

Aw, come on, I know you are. You know you want to! Don't ya'?

Or if you'd prefer, your holly brothers can get you a tender young boy, all for you! Now doesn't that get your kettle steaming?

But in either event, I'm sure we can come up with something in your holy book that floats your boat. Come on, just tell us. We'll help you!

is786!

I've got it! A Duck!

You know, as in go have relations with a Duck?
I hear they're very popular with your Allah buddies. Sure, you guys can all have a giant AllahGasm! Better yet, do it while you do the AllahJerk!

How about Friday afternoon. Let's see, where do you think we should get you guys together? Hm...

For vocabulary see: http://muslimsandme.blogspot.com/

BillR,
What the hell are you talking about?

Every time you open that filthy hole in your face nothing but raw sewage spews out.

Are you feeling okay?

Bring it on little man. You try to slap me and I will break your face.
Posted by: ia786 at May 7, 2005 11:20 AM

Can someone inform this runt that he has me mistaken for a little man who he can break the face of?

Another dumb Muslim, running his mouth without knowing who he's talking to.

If you're a moderate Muslim, then you should be respectful of the opinions of those who know what Islam is all about instead of acting like a little bitch.

And before you go breaking any faces, you should get a good look at what you're about to do to yourself.

http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$30405

"They said they were physicians and wanted a tour of hospital and wanted information about hospital, bed capacity, and wanted a tour of the emergency department."

So my question is: Did they give them a tour or not? Did they show them around or show them the door?

ia786,

Oh, nice talk! You should talk with your Imam about that, he'll know what to do. Just ask him, he talks with Allah(Gag) all the time so he knows just what Allah(Gag) wants.

Maybe you've got some sort of AllahBug. I'ts been going around you know.

Why you people continue to respond to ia786 and Shukri is beyone me. Such responses to their nonsensical ravings are unproductive since they never raise any questions of substance. The diversionary responses are also ultimately destructive to the efforts of Mr. Spencer and others here.

I think people need to revisit Hugh's post on forum trolls and regain control of themselves.

I just wish you could see me, HA HA HA HA {posted by ia786

This is the true nature of many Muslims.

The saying "You shall know them by their fruits" could not be any more useful than it is today - with the Koran having free reign.

Watch and see for yourselves - how nice they act - how much they want to be friends - and how they "really are a peaceful group"

UNTIL

you corner them with the trash of their own allah.

And it's not by our own words - but by directly quoting their own allah that they will turn VICIOUS on you.

I have a webpage that shows how clearly the Koran VIOLATES the U.S. Constitution:

http://palestinename.com/usconstitution.htm

Until the Koran is confronted - these murderers will continue to have free reign - to plot bloody attacks against even the weakest - without any conscience whatsoever.

Why say no to 'terrorists' and yet, swing the door wide open to that which is creating them?

It's crazy!

"If you're a moderate Muslim, then you should be respectful of the opinions of those who know what Islam is all about instead of acting like a little bitch."

I am respectful of other peoples opinions however many of the posters here hold absolutely disgusting views. People have suggested that ALL Muslims (including moddertaes) should be thrown out of the West. Some one even suggested making concentration camps for Muslims. This sort of talk is pathetic. You are only isolating Muslims by doing this, attack the Extremists and their corrupt ideologies. You would find more support from Muslims if you were more balanced and made distinctions between moderate Muslims and Muslim extremists.

I try to be respectful, a lot of the time I don't get the same back.

"And before you go breaking any faces, you should get a good look at what you're about to do to yourself."

Lets not forget you insulted me first. You were the one that wanted to slap me about.

"Maybe you've got some sort of AllahBug. I'ts been going around you know."

BillR,
You really are insane. You are losing it old chap.

"I have a webpage that shows how clearly the Koran VIOLATES the U.S. Constitution"

What about the Talmud, are people in the US allowed to have sex with 3 year olds, Don't think so.

Quotes from the Talmud, Please read:

GEMARA. … R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 55b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 376

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE; … IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH.
— Babylonian Talmud Tractate Niddah 44b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 308

Stinky Muslim Male, No no, old chap. Cleanliness is part of my faith.

ia786? No matter how much soap you use - how many showers you take - or how many usless traditions you practice convincing yourself that such traditions will make you clean some how

the spirit within you is exceedingly wicked - when no conscience for decency is shown for children or the sick.

Your brain and heart is filthy!

"the spirit within you is exceedingly wicked - when no conscience for decency is shown for children or the sick.

Your brain and heart is filthy!"

Do you know me??? You've never met me??

You are blinded by your own hate, it is sad.

I have never committed a crime against anyone in the UK, I am a good citizen. I have many non-Muslim friends and I get on fine with them. I have no evil intentions against anyone in the World. You have no right to make stupid accusations.

Beth, you hate all Muslims don’t you??

You are so blind its amazing, Muslims are humans too. I am a British Muslim, my mind is like that of a Brit, I love football, I love fish and chips, I like to watch Only Fools and Horses. Why do you hate me so much. Have I ever insulted you??

You are blinded by your own prejudice. It is obvious you know little about Islam and Muslims.

Labels! you are Islamaphobes. Am I wrong in stating this?

YES! Yes you ia786! And do you want to know why? [I doubt it] - But here goes ANYWAYS:

You can't face the filth of your allah!

And do you want to know why? {I doubt it]

IT is because there is NO JUSTIFICATION for the trash that he spews!

he's a murderer and a liar.

like father - like son

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

"Bring it on little man. You try to slap me and I will break your face.2
Posted by: ia786 at May 7, 2005 11:20 AM

Oh dear 'ia'; oh dear, dear, dear.

Please permit me the honour of being the first one to introduce you to one of DCs latest photos.

R.I.P. ia786 April '05 - May '05.

(You'll have to scroll UP on the thread.

Hey guys, Lets have a 'ia786 Epitaph competition'!

Regards,
KC

An Allah bug? Whatever T F that is. Your smartass remarks to people aren't changing their perception of Islam. The entire world, except for Muslim, relates Islam with terror, machetes, rapes and murder.

So your bullshit remarks don't make it any better. You want to know what everyone sees, and what you so-called moderate pussies refuse to condemn and don't have the courage to eliminate from your midst? This is just in America, and doesn't include fat ass pigs like Abu Hamza in Britain:

Randall "Ismail" Royer:
·http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/usroyer603ind.pdf

Ghassan Elashi:
·http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/infocom/uselashi121702sind.pdf
·http://www.4law.co.il/hlf2.htm (p. 6, 7, 8, 9)
·http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13175

Bassem K. Khafagi
·http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/acair.htm

Abdurahman Alamoudi:
· http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/31/saudi.plot/

The "Lackawanna six":
·http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/extra/lackawanna/0520story3_news.shtml

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali:
·http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/069642.php

Sadeq Naji Ahmed:
·http://discoverthenetwork.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1901

Bashir Noorzai:
·http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005900.php#comments

Ali al-Timimi:
·http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11071

Ibrahim Al-Niqrish:
·http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050426/NEWS03/504260344

Fawaz Damra:
·http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-06-17-imam-convicted_x.htm

Clayton Morgan, aka Isamu Dyson, aka Cayson Bin Don:http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17863

Ahmed Ressam:
·http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/inside/cron.html

Ali bin Mussalim:
·http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/04/new_indictments.html

Sami Al-Arian:
·http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=6307

Nuradin Abdi:
·http://www.ice.gov/text/news/newsreleases/insideice/InsideICE_062104_Web1.htm

Sami Ibrahim Isa Ardel Hadi:
·http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstoriesny_story_124171640.html

Karim Iraq:
·http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3305026

Nemr Ali Rahal:
.http://www.detnews.com/2005/wayne/0505/05/B03-170716.htm

Ahmed Barodi:
·http://cbs11tv.com/localnews/local_story_124193436.html

Hasan Akbar:
·http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/28/akbar.trial.ap/

Muslim are a religion of peace? You had better let these assholes in on that? There will be no respect for tiny communities in the U.S. who produce so many underhanded, dirtbag criminals such as those referenced in the list above. Got it, pretty boy?

OK! OK!

LETS BREAK IT UP!
MOVE ALONG NOW, NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG!

YOU! is786,THE MUSLIM!
You've been sorely tested here today, and I must say I admire your restraint. Except for a little fray with the wrong guy, you aren't such bad person.

It's your religion we don't care for, and that's allowed in a free country, as compared to an Islamic state. But your rejoinders with the Old Testament and the Talmud are not the issue.

Islam needs to change or the next Crusade will see the light of Islam extinguished and perhaps much of the light in the west as well.

Of this I am certain: Were Islam to encompass the entire world, a dark age the likes of which no man has seen would descend on all of us.

Think carefully about what kind of a future you want your children to have - endless misery and darkness or a future much as we live today, free to express our opinions, and free to choose our religion without fear of reprisal.

ia786
Firstly I would like to say that you have been proven a liar,and you are far from being a moderate,this has been established,so I do not have to make any more comments on what you are.This I already know.

You quote
I swear this is just toooo funny, I'm laughing my head off here. HA HA HA
"Imagine - people posing as doctors and inspectors,just walking into a hospital and demanding information and patient records.Now the Department of Homeland Security is taking action."

Now you imagine that an attack did take place in a hospital or school,it will have a very negative effect for you.
To-day there are many more people who are aware that Islam is not a religion of peace.We are not paranoiac as you believe we care for sick,and we care for children.You should be happy that we are not taking any risks,because if there should be an attack I am certian there will be a lot of muslims hurt in the aftermath.
If we get a Repeat of Beslam,in the UK/USA I dont think people will stop and ask if you are
moderate or not before kicking the shit out of a muzi
And a lot of the non-Muslim girls running after you now{???]would not be seen dead with a muzi.
The only thing you the Lion of Allah achieved here is you have lost whatever little respect a lot of posters had for you and the same with the good folks at FFI
So Instead of mocking us,be thankful that every attempt is being made to prevent an attack

you will know what you ought to do to him, and you shall bring his gray head down with blood to Sheol." 2 Samuel 16:9, 1 Kings 2:8

Is this a poor attempt ia786? to show that the Bible taught beheadings?

The Scriptures Both old and new condemn such VICIOUS acts.

Ephraim - who happens to be a whole tribe - one tribe of Israel - has a head. He is grey haired - and doesn't know it.

Hsa 7:9 Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not. {{This Scripture is speaking of a WHOLE tribe ia786

The head of Ephraim are the leaders.

And just as the Body of Christ is made up of many memebers - the is Christ - made up of MANY MIGHTY members! who He brings with Him when He comes.

And you Mr ia - will know then - that you have twisted the Holy Scriptures unto your own destruction with your hard impure mouth towards His Holiness. A Holiness that He offered EVEN unto you - which is Life.

But you'd rather bow to a god who is a Murderer and a LIAR!

The laugh will be on you!

I know I am one to talk, but I agree with Kelley. We have all taken the bait again. The trolls have distracted from serious discussion. We will never agree with them, so make a statement, then dismiss them. I am going to do my best to keep my word.

Jesus is the Head of the Body of Christ.

Jesus and His Father are One.

A Marvelous Truth that your filthy minded god can not comprehend!

Why? Because he thinks God needs a 'consort' in order to have a son.

006.101 To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.

003.047 She [Mary] said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

He but saith to it "Be" and you can bet Mr ia - AND IT IS!

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The EYE WITNESSES

Carolyn and Kelley?

Let them! As they open up mouth to insert foot - the Word of God will choke them with it.

And that is a good thing - no?

This is helping to expose the True Islam

I'm sure the Islamic 'scholars' of this world would rather wish that ia786 keep quiet.

Because they know better than anyone - how their own allah violates every humanitarian law ever written.

Why do you think they have to be so sneaky in speady Islam?

And I'll say this

If the laughter at hurting children or the sick doesn't make you MAD!!!!!!

Maybe you should reconsider - and get mad!

Ok, Beth, cool it!

You don't care for his religion or his politics and we know it. There's no need to defend Christianinty here or anywhere else.

Put your energy to good use: Join our group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Antidhimmitude/

We could use your energy and knowledge.

I will defend the Word of God - not the Christianity of this world.

ia786 is the one who keeps bringing it up.

If you don't want the Biblical Scriptures - tell ia not to present them in a twisted way to defend his own allah's wickedness!

I apologize for the outburst. There are MANY nurses in my family - some who work directly with very sick children.

They have to take a class once a week - in order to learn out to deal with their emotions because of the heartache involved for the families of these children - not to mention they get attached to them.

And at the thought of pricks entering one of thes places just to hurt the people - sickens me!

And yes - it makes me mad!

I hope for MANY Americans to see that report - and for their anger to reach a long awaited bursting point - before such an attack is needed for them to do so.

And I do agree with Bill on that one!

The American people are only going to take so much!

Okay
I Propose that we have a vote that Robert pulls the plug on this ia786 on the grounds that his comments are disruptive Is there anybody who will second this motion
Regards
Shiva

Be kind. Be compassionate. Be honest. Be sincere. Be truthful. Be bold. Be pure. Be wise. Be virtuous. Enquire: 'who am I'? Know thy-Self and be free.

Do you know me??? You've never met me??

You are blinded by your own hate, it is sad.

ia786? You condemned your own self by finding the act of hurting the sick and children so funny.

Ask if I hate the pricks who slaughter the defenseless Beslan children. [such a hero thing to do]

Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/06/doctor-ottawa050506.html
* the upper right corner has the video clip
to go with the text.

Incredible but true folks,here in Canada
we've had suspected terror cells operating in the Ottawa area which is the Nations Capital City
and hub for our Military HQ's and Political Parties.
Here's a link to a story of a FAKE Doctor
that was Practising for one month before suspicion
set in from the Real Doctor that Sublet a suite
in their Medical Centre,note how not one perscription or request for payment was made by the Doctor (Faux).

There's a large immigrant population and a Major Airport used by World leaders that visit
our Government Officials,what a perfect way to test the effectiveness of spreading a virus
via a tourist or traveler connecting a flight to the USA.
CAIR had recently petitioned the Canadian Government to exclude Hijab wearing passengers from Custom checks that require the removal of headdresses to confirm passport ID's,connect the dots folks and lets not put our guard down just to avoid hurting the feelings of the Hyper-sensitive "Career-Victims" that will whine over the slightest perception "Profiling".

247 Canadians were slaughtered by Sikh extremists that put a bomb aboard a 747 that left Toronto and exploded at 35000 feet over the Atlantic Ocean, "Profiling" produced evidence
linking people to the Air India bombing weeks before it occured but the Politically Correct
Leaders feared upsetting the Sikh community
and being painted as racists for arresting
people on "Allegations" of plotting to
blow-up a Airplane to retaliate for the raid on the Holy Sikh Temple in India.

So a butterfly flaps its wings in Moscow
and a bomb ends up on a 747 which kills
close to 330 people of which a near 70 of them were children going to visit their Grandparents still living in India.

Another religion of Peace

Yeah, Ia - people posing as doctors and demanding personal information is EXACTLY like people shopping in a supermarket. Totally innocuous.

Why, there's sick people in a supermarket - no, wait, that's a hospital - well, there's food on display in a hospital - no, wait, that would only be in the cafeteria, not really the same thing - hmmm well there's tons of personal information about patients kept in a supermarket - no, darn it, that would be a hospital again - well, look, fine, ok then:

Both hospitals and supermarkets have "men of middle-eastern descent posing as physicians".

Oh, darn it - that would only be hospitals.

Hmm. Guess your comparison doesn't stand up.

It was awful good for a laugh though. But then again, maybe Ia considers this normal behaviour. For people posing as doctors to take tours of hospitals. Again: 'posing' as doctors. Not real doctors.

Now, me, I find it more normal behaviour to be laughing at Ia. I do so now.

Geoff
Lion of Man

PS: That reminds me, old chap - your coreligionist Brownfinger's been beating your chops about how dumb Sunnism is; whirling dervishes and sinful music and all. Better stay sharp and in Allah's good graces and tell her off right away. Otherwise, people might mistake you for being an extremist.

Fake Drs in hospitals...a woman was in maternity section of a hospital, she was in and out of labor and the baby had not yet appeared. The door opened and three guys dressed in white came in, lifted her sheets and began examining her..."Will I be ok Dr,she asked. To which he relied, "Gee, I dont know lady, we just came in to paint the place".
Fastest growing religion...Doubtful, but even if true, among who? The uneducated, illiterate, maluable, gullible simpletons of the world...Anyone who actually and honestly evaluates Islam (Quran/Hadith ect)is either a fool or mentally ill if they convert...

I have read some of the comments here, it seems as though the people here have got the wrong end of the stick. I was not laughing at how children would be hurt, if that were to happen I would be as angry as you, I would take great joy in physically assaulting the culprits if that crime took place.

I am not laughing at that, please understand this. I never wish any harm on anyone. The Beslan siege was very heartbreaking, if I was there I would have fought alongside the Russians against the Wahabist, that I guarantee you. The crimes they commit, the attacking of innocents. Islam doesn't tolerate it and I won't either.

Sorry about making you angry Beth.

MISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED BY INTERCOURSE

Posted by: ia786 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 7, 2005 12:25 PM

idiot666:

Do you understand what this means? It doesn't mean 3 years + 1 day. It means she can be promised if she reaches the age of three -- which wasn't always a given back then. infant mortality rates were very high -- for betrothal later. Not that females can be used for sexual intercourse at the age of 3 years + 1 day.

Hey Ia, you didn't respond to my comment eradicating your complaint. Would it help if I put it in terms you can follow, maybe about something that actually matters to you?

If I go to a mosque and claim to be an imam, then demand to see information about where that mosque's funding is coming from, or the home phone numbers of muslims attending that mosque, that wouldn't suspicious to the mosque staff, now would it? I mean, they wouldn't refuse to co-operate, right? I just show up out of the blue and ask for a tour and demand to see their personal information. No problems there, right?

=)

Geoff

ia786 - I accept - and apologize too.

I want you to know that I do not agree with the name calling - as I hope you have already figured by reading my posts.

But I plan on arguing with you and all others who refuse to condemn certain commands in the Koran - till the day I die.

I hold those commands responsible for the deaths of all who have been slaughtered in the name of Islam.

And I won't post them here again at this moment - because I know you have already seen them.

My aim is not to win any argument. My goal is to put a stop to the senseless bloodshed.

I hope you will someday join me.

And can not accomplish that without confront the Truth -straight on.

If I go to a mosque and claim to be an imam, then demand to see information about where that mosque's funding is coming from, or the home phone numbers of muslims attending that mosque, that wouldn't suspicious to the mosque staff, now would it? I mean, they wouldn't refuse to co-operate, right? I just show up out of the blue and ask for a tour and demand to see their personal information. No problems there, right?

That example could not be more perfect Geoff!!!

I want to know why there isn't an OUTCRY of RACISM!!!

Where is THAT aclu at????

Where's CAIR's big mouths at?

Will the real woman please stand up...or lay down as the case may be...
No matter how you cut it, if you lay a beautiful, naked nine year old girl next to a beautiful, naked twenty three year old woman, which one would the normal/non pervert want to have sex with? The little girl doesn't even have boobs yet...A no brainer unless you are a muslim, then all bets are off...

duh_swami LOLS!

Guys:

Lately there has been A LOT of troll feeding going on at JW. Most of us know that this is a total waste of time and effort but occasionally the provocation is so egregious it can't be avoided.

I'd like to point out that no muslim poster to this site (with the probable exception of Jsingleton and Thomas Haidon, who are anti-jihad) has ever been able to present a cogent, logical, substantive, well-reasoned argument that was on-topic and responded appropriately to a challenege. (As you all know, critical thinking skills are discouraged in islam and are indeed anathema to the true "believer".) The best they can do is resort to ad hominems, tu quoque and other meaningless tactics, always the same ones that they get from their same old tired websites, as well as post long cut-and-pastes that are also from those same and now-all-too-familiar (yawn) websites, which most of us regulars just skip right on over without reading since we've seen it all so many times before.

I'm not saying that a response or two isn't called for from time to time, but you troll-feeders (and you know who you are) are allowing the muslims to hijack entire threads and establish their OWN agendas, diverting us from Robert's and our own. Do you really want to give them that kind of influence or platform?

I suggest that if you can't keep yourself from endlessly engaging these trolls (which only encourages them, as they are always involved in either jihad or da'wa), you pony up at the donations link on the JW homepage to compensate Spencer for the bandwidth that they waste and abuse.

muslim trolls are drawn to this site like flies to a sh@t-pile, but that doesn't mean we have to buy into their efforts at manipulation and their stale, tired rhetoric. It's just getting so OLD.

BTW, the trolls hardly ever visit DW on a regular and consistent basis, so for those of you just as fed up with the infestation as I am, consider spending more time over there.

I plan to post this message more than once to get the message out. Sorry for the repetition, but it simply had to be said - AGAIN.

CGW

I believe in Words of war CGW.

It's better than using bombs.

Words of war can accomplish much.

and yes - here goes [I can't help myself]

Zec 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

If we speak Truths in a hidden corner where we all agree - what good will that do?

I believe in declaring things that are right loud and clear before all.

That belief gives me reason to hope that peace can be established.

At the very least - it may protect the future of my children.

Have Jsingleton and Thomas Haidon, who are anti-jihad condemned the writings of the Koran that preach war?

"Labels! you are Islamaphobes" ia

Please look up the definition of "phobia" and write it here for all to see. After 9/11, Bali, all the bombings in India, Kashmir, Kenya, Turkey, the almost daily bashing of Jews in France by a certain cultural group, the lack of mass demonstrations by "moderate" Muslims condemning these attacks (as opposed to the numbers who turned out to be against the war on terror), the daily beheadings in Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India's parliament being attacked, the comments coming out of Islamic Iran - then they tell us they want nukes etc etc

Then no, no infidel here suffers from a "Phobia". I think when we read stories above about suspicious activities, our "phobia" is justified.

If we had no justification, then we would be "phobes"

I know I am one of the feeders of the “trolls”. But I have to respond to this:

"I am respectful of other peoples opinions however many of the posters here hold absolutely disgusting views" - ia

ia - maybe some do, maybe some don't. But no infidel here has EVER advocated sex with nine-year-olds. However, none of the Muslim posters have said the same.

To me, and I'm sure many others, this is not only disgusting, but vile and shows the true nature of Islam.

I do not believe that there is any such thing as a "moderate". There are undoubtedly nominal Muslims who don't know what they believe in (for whatever reasons - e.g. language - they don't speak Arabic, as in the case of my in -laws from SE Asia).

Thanks to sites like this, and books on the same, many nominal Muslims with a brain have abandoned Islam (like my in-law from SE Asia).

To be a moderate, is to deny the passages and facts in Islam (like sex with nine year olds). To remain quiet on these verses/ facts is to give tacit approval. To be vocal, is to admit the Koran is fallible and not the word of god. So the moderates have a real problem. Moderates eventually gain an understanding of Mohammed and then fly planes into buildings.

I BELIEVE MORE BOOKS AND SITES LIKE THIS ARE THE ANSWER. MORE SO THAN BOMBS AND BULLETS (ALTHOUGH THEY ARE STILL NECESSARY FOR DEFENDING OUR WAY OF LIFE). If only the Western governments plugged more money into truthful education about Islam – warts and all.

I BELIEVE MORE BOOKS AND SITES LIKE THIS ARE THE ANSWER. MORE SO THAN BOMBS AND BULLETS

So do I!

I'm grateful to Robert and Rebecca and all others who have worked to make this site possible.

Shame - isn't it? That leaders such as the self-professing 'Christian' leaders aren't leading this fight [and NO - in NO uncertain terms will I EVER agree to them having any power in Governemnt]

and the 'Humanitarian' kings of the U.N. - and the media.

None of them are showing any concern in confronting this battle [which can be won by words].

I say that to their shame - considering all of the bloodshed that has taken place already

"Shame - isn't it? That leaders such as the self-professing 'Christian' leaders aren't leading this fight [and NO - in NO uncertain terms will I EVER agree to them having any power in Governemnt]
- Beth"

Yes Beth it is a shame that more Christian leaders don't do the same, especially considering how many times in the past, and currently, that Christians are in the firing line of Islam.

In my country, Australia, we have had two pastors lead the fight against Islam. One of whom, Daniel Scot, is an Islamic expert from Pakistan. I have seen him, many times, quote the Koran and Hadiths, off by heart. He was recently convicted of "inciting hatred" towards Muslims by quoting these verses to a Christian audience. He asked the Muslims to explain how he had misquoted their texts (some of the Islamic leaders were even sent scurrying through their 40 volume Hadith because they themselves didn't know what was in it). They couldn't prove him wrong. So they sued him under these "hate" laws.

During his trial leaders of the Uniting Church, Catholic Church (a self professed "expert" on Islam, who when cross examined admited to NEVER reading the Koran - Daniel, I believe, has read it well over 100 times)and the Anglican Church all opposed him, and supported the Muslims.

So far he has been found guilty. Truth was NOT a defence. For exercising his "free speech" in Australia, it has cost him well over $200,000 in legal bills. He has vowed to go to prision if they try to fine him (being "guilty")- he will refuse to pay up, or apoligising for reading their texts. Hence he will go to jail.

It makes a mockery out of how our Federal Parliment is opened with a Christian Prayer (which the lefties and multiculturalists have tried many times to stop).

3rdtimelucky - Australia? No wonder I like you so much!

I LOVE Australia! Never been there - but have met many lovely Australians in college - years ago.

And I am a HUGE fan of John Howard.

"In my country, Australia, we have had two pastors lead the fight against Islam"

I know - I have been watching that story and praying for them. God bless them and Speed His love to them! I commend them - with all my heart!

Now there - you have True Christians...who as far as I'm concerned - shame the pants off of all other self-professing Christian leaders!

You want to know gets me? Why do the people still run to them?

It often blows my mind

That reminds me of a Muslim who was condemned to death by a Muslim judge for the Bali bombing.

I have that report on my site - somewhere.

The Muslim who was condemned argued with the judge using the Koran - and the Muslim judge - believe it or not - remained in denial - and sentenced that man to death.

How about that?

We are in trouble.

There is a monster - diverse from any before it - that has no borders and no mercy - and the leaders of this world refuse to confront it.

I have already chosen - I'd rather die - then bow to allah. Never gonna happen with me.

he's just too much of a monster for me - and living with myself after such an act would be worse than death

A quick internet search at the NY Dept.of Professional Regulation should have been enough to prove they were impostors.
What about cameras???!!not even one surveillance camera in all those hospitals??!!

Hi Beth

Good to see you praying for these Aussie pastors trying to expose the truth. Why do people continue to flock to these church leaders who have their heads in the sand???

Its tradition. The same reason people turn up and vote a particular way. Many say, "well now, my great great granddaddy voted for @#%^&^ etc, so I too will vote for $%^&."

Apathy will be the downfall (as well as moral decay) of the west, and the Muslims know it.

As for the "traditional" liberal churches. Well its ironic. After the last federal election the lefties (supported by the Muslims) were furious at the outcome of the last election.

Here in Australia we have The Australian Christian Lobby, which galvanized much of the Bible believing community (it helped in a big way to defeat a Gay Marriage proposal). It also saw the birth of a new party, Family First, who's policies predominantly are based on the Christian Bible (the Muslims have protested this party in a big way here). AND I'll add its national leader is AN ABORIGINAL WOMAN. Yet because she is a Christian, well the media ignore her.

If she was an aboriginal in a left party (say the Green Party), she would be elevated by the media to a glamour queen. The traditional churches pews are almost empty, full of grayed haired people on the whole. Some of leaders have actually complained about the rapid growth of, as they put it, "those fundamentalist Christian Churches" - the rise of the Pentecostal, and other Bible believing Christian churches. It scares the daylights out of these major denominations. In fact, of the traditional denominations, the individual churches who stick to the tenants of the Bible are the only ones growing within these denominations! Again this is a big headache for the liberals at the top, who love to kiss Muslim butt.

The funny thing about these hate laws, is that the Salvation Army sat on the fence when these two pastors were being hauled over the coals (to my knowledge).

They to are now being sued by a Wiccan (a convicted pedophile who believes that as a Witch he can have sex with minors), for showing the much touted "Alpha" course, which said pedophiles are evil, as are witches!!!! So now the salvo's who do so much work for all types, are being sued by a wacko with the same attraction to children as Mohammed (may pigs piss be upon him), courtesy of tax payer money, as he studies his degree from jail - also paid for by the taxpayer!!! Three cheers for Humanistic/socialist laws!!!!!

As for John Howard - he is the lesser of two evils (as is the case with most politicians), I did vote for him every time over the last ten years (partly because of how the left screwed this country in the previous decade - my family is still suffering from "the depression we had to have, while the pollies from this era have long retired in comfort) Generally he is pretty good, however he has sucked up to the Muslims here of late. Politicians will do what they need to stay in power. That’s why lobby groups are awesome - no particular alliance to a political party, just sheer numbers to to try to keep the bastards honest. John Howard and many in his party know this. That wanker Mark Latham in the last election ignored it to his peril (he chased votes from the greenies, homo's druggies and dole bludgers).

It's a troublesome notion that misunderstanders of Islam might now be systematically casing hospitals.

Emergency medical facilities are expensive to replace, and the cost will be more than monetary if several of them were to be suddenly incapacitated in one metropolitan area.

A situation like that could magnify the impact of a bio or dirty bomb attack the next day or even the next week.

Posted by: Ezekiel2517 - good point and very good posting name!

Posted by: Ezekiel2517 - good point and very good posting name!

I just caught that - thanks to 3rdtimelucky's keen observation.

I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes

And then they will know who was telling the Truth - and who used them for his own conceited means.

Wow - are they gonna be MAD at allah.

Picture this:

We're at the Judgment - ok?

Muhammad's reward?

He and all his preachers included - get to to reside with all the Muslims - who won't be Muslims any more - but a very pissed-off group of people.

I hope to find mercy - so that I can live to see that one - if that's how it goes.

I want a bucket of popcorn - and front row seat