Did you hear about the Pakistani fatwa the other day saying that suicide attacks were against Islam? Well, it didn't please everyone: note that here it is a question of against whom the attacks are directed. The acts are good if they kill the right people. "Suicide attacks in J&K justified: Pak clerics," from ANI, with thanks to Nicolei:
Religious leaders in Pakistan have described the suicide attacks by Muslim freedom fighters in Kashmir as "justified", but "not justified" if waged within Pakistan.The religious leaders said that such attacks were also justified if carried out by Muslim freedom fighters in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan.
They said that in those countries where Jehad is being waged the suicide attacks are justified, but such attacks are prohibited where Jehad has not started even if it is a non-Islamic country.
Tiny minority of extremists? Nope:
The statement from as many as 40 religious parties in Pakistan has come as a response to the recent `fatwa' issued by a section of clerics saying that suicide attacks were forbidden in Islam.
"Such attacks are prohibited where Jehad has not (yet?) started even if it is a non-Islamic country."
How comforting! Nothing to worry about then!
Er... but what if "Jehad" will "start" one day?
What a prejudiced, Islamophobic question! Islam doesn't allow killing innocents! Except when it's justified of course.
And so on...
As long as they only throw hand-grenades at School-children it's not really a Jihad, or is it?
Just what is it then, target practice or just plain ordinary Mphammedan tradition?
That's because in "Indian Occupied" Kashmir, suicide attacks would be used to kill non-Muslims. In Pakistan (including the portion of Kashmir it illegaly claims) the suicide attackers would be killing Muslims. And that's bad.
The absolute absurdity is that clerics are debating justifications for premeditated wanton murder. Ali Sina has through a clear logical analysis shown the most basic humanist concept of the Golden Rule, "Do unto others..." has parallels in all major belief systems, whether religious, animist, agnostic, secularist and paganist, except one (which shall not be answered erst I be accused of belaboring the obvious). "Thou shall not murder..." is the most obvious parallel to those acclimated to Judeo-Christian beliefs. Yet, in numerous debates Ali Sina has had with followers of the un-named belief system, the Golden Rule has been attacked as blasphemous and being a cult ideology.
Wow, so the Hindustan Times (what a reliable source on Pakistan) informs us that "Religious leaders in Pakistan" justify suicide attacks in J&K. Hmm...
This should be good enough to further the anti-Muslim cause since Islamophobes apparently tend toward choosing ambiguously sourced material to further their hate agenda...
What's really sad is that while India was telling the world about what was happening, no one listened properly. In any case, muslims in kashmir are now killing other muslims. The hindus have all be driven out already. They are now killing those muslims who dont agree with them, like the palestinians who keep their mouths shut, about Israeli rule being better for them, for fear of the Palestinian forces.
Shukri what makes u assume Hindustan Times is an Indian propoganda publication. HT(spit) like it's other communist media chums is infact an Islamic apologist newspaper. In my opinion Pakistani publications are more prone to toe the jihadi and government like. Just because the source is India u Muslims doubt credibility of their reports why isn't this doubt extended when they report about "fasict-outrages" against Muslims.
News flash
The paper is India but ANI is an Asian News organistaion not and Indian organistaion...
E-mail this article to every media organization you can. Tell people about this outrage. I just sent it to several reporters at FoxNews and I sent a copy to Drudge. Take action now!
I THINK OF THAT MOVIE WITH PETER SELLERS WHAT WAS WHEN THE COWBOY PILOT WAS TRYING TO RELIESE HIS BOMB OH YEA DR.STRANGELOVE!!!!
WHAT HAPPEN IN THE END???
MULSUMS SAYING IT IS OKAY TO KILL NON-MULSUMS??
IT IS BUZZING AROUND MY HEAD I HEAR AND LOOKS LIKE THE GAME IS A FOOT THE HUNT IS ON!!
GET THAT DAMNE FLY SWATER!!!!
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GOD BLESS THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE HEROS PITY THE COUNTRIES WHO NEED THEM AMEN!!!
SEND IN DRIK PITT!
Scourge of the badly circumscised Muslims.
The Muslims use the following tactics, in self defense when exposed.
l. The attack the source, the ad hominem
2. they change the subject, and if possible try to impugn your character and make you the subject, failing that distract, distort, deny
3. They cry hate and try to put the kaffir on a guilt trip, they are quick learners, because guilt is an alien concept in Islam, but it is both a defect and humanizing in westerners.
I get the hate charge thrown at me all of the time,with the expectation I'll go on the defensive and thus change the subject so they can go on the attack.
Doesn't work on me, I'm a quick learner and I've studied Muslims and learn what I needed from them.
4. Lastly, the operating word to describe Muslims is aggressive (like the operating word to describe Judeo Christians is guilt) always expect them to be aggressive and cry persecution and foul, even when they initate aggression.
The leif motif is that the kafir (like the Israels or Amriki in Iraq) are not suppose to defend themselves when they attack, in the Muslim world defense by the kufr is aggression.
ALL OVER THE RADIO AND THE MULSUMS FELL SORRY SORRY FOR ME GIVE ME A FREAKEN BREAK!!!
MULSUMS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SOME PRISON IN IRAQ!!
WE AINT IN TROUBLE WITH THE MULSUMS WORLD WE SHOULD NOT EVEN CARE LET THEM STARVE!!!
WHERE ARE THE MULSUMS WHO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE 300,000 MAS GRAVES OF MULSUMS KILLED BY MULSUMS GIVE ME A FREAKEN BREAK THIS IS NOTHING BUT LIES THE MULSUMS WORSHIP WHAT A god WHO IS LEADING THEM TO DESTRUCTION!!!!!
M LEHOSES WHAT A STUPID JERK!!!
HERE IS YOUR QURAN!!
WE SEE AND THE TRUTH HAS SET US FREE!!!!
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_during_ww2.php
Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq – another British mandate – where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel's troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.
Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world.
Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.
During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nation's Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust, killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. Husseini openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division.
OH MY!
NOW IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING YOU WILL SEE THAT IS arafat[YELLOW COWARD WO WAS CURSED] uncle!!!
THEN WE HAVE FROM THE QURAN ITSELF!!
Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”
THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE USING TO CALL TO FIGHT NOW!!
Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”
Ubl [yellow coward who runs away] USE THIS TO TAKE OUT THE WTC NOT SOME THING HE THOUGHT UP??
Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.
YEA RIGHT LOOK AT EVERY MULSUM COUNTRY A SHIT HOLE!!
” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”
Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”
Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”
SO WHY IS IT THAT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILL IRAQI CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE YELLOW COWARDS!!
Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”
YEA more Islamic terrorist dead TODAY BY THE USA & NEW IRAQI ARMY NOW WHO IS ON GODS SIDE?
Qur’an 9:43 “May Allah forgive you (Muhammad). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind; you should have persisted as regards to your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until you had known the liars.”
YES STOP SUPPORT OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST OR IT WILL BE THE DOOM OF ALL IRAQI PEOPLE REMEMBER 5:32 AND THE DEATH OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK WILL BE THE DEATH OF ALL MANKIND AND WHO IS IT WHO LEADS YOU TO THIS DEATH BUT YELLOW MEN COWARDS WHO WILL NOT SHOW THEMSELVES LIKE ubl NO SEE SINCE TORA-BORA AND SADDAM FOUND IN O HOLE “ DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD”
Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those [peace-loving Muslims] who do wrong and are wicked.”
YES WHY DO THE SAUDIS SEND OTHERS TO FIGHT AND KILL THE IRAQI PEOPLE?
Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”
WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS WHO SAY IT IS OKAY TO KILL IRAQI CHILDREN? FROM SAUIDI ARABIA EGYPT JORDAN PALESTINIANS SYRIA?
Qur’an 9:75 “Some of you made a deal with Allah, saying, ‘If You give us booty we shall pay You the tax.’ But when He gave them booty, they became greedy and refused to pay. As a consequence of breaking their promises, Allah filled their hearts with hypocrisy which will last forever.”
COULD THIS BE THE UN AND THE OIL FOR FOOD OR THE ARAB LEAGE WHO HOLD THE IRAQI PEOPLE PRISNOR TO THE YELLOW COWARDS?
Qur’an 9:77 “He punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they lied to Allah and failed to perform as promised. Allah knows their secrets. Those who slander and taunt the believers who pay the zakat (for Allah’s Cause) voluntarily and throw ridicule on them, scoffing, Allah will throw back their taunts, and they shall have a painful doom. Whether you ask for their forgiveness or not, (their sin is unforgivable). If you ask seventy times for their forgiveness Allah will not forgive them.”
YES THE ONES WHO CALL FOR THE MURDER OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK WILL BURN IN HELL READ 5:32 AND THE USA WHO SAVED THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM SADDAM AS IF THEY HAVE SAVED ALLMANKIND?
Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back (from the campaign) to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them (Muhammad) that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”
SAUDI ARABIA WHO WILL NOT COME TO THE AID OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE WHO FIGHTS THE YELLOW MONSTERS WHO CUT OFF AMERICANS HEADS AND IRAQI CHILDRENS HEADS BUT SUPPORT THE MONSTERS?
Qur’an 9:85 “And let not their wealth or (following in) sons dazzle you or excite your admiration. Allah’s plan is to punish them with these things in this world, and to make sure their souls perish while they are unbelievers. When a surah comes down enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask you for exemption from Jihad. They prefer to be with (their women), who remain behind (at home). Their hearts are sealed and so they understand not.”
YES THE WEALTH OF EGYPT AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO FIGHT AGAINST PEACE? FOR HAVE THEY REWRITTEN THE BOOK?
Qur’an 9:90 “And there were among the wandering desert Arabs men who made excuses and came to claim exemption (from the battle). Those who lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home. Soon will a grievous torment seize them.”
WHO COULD THIS BE THE ONES WITH ALL THIS MONEY THAT THEY HAVE USED FOR EVIL AROUND THE WORLD?
Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”
YES WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS ONES WHO BRING A LIVING HELL? WHAT COUNTRYS DO THEY BRING THEIR MISTUFF FROM? NOW THE PEOPLE FROM THE BOOK FIGHT BACK AND GOD GIVES THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH THEM TRUE PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
READ IT AND WEEP FOR THOSE WHO THESE MONSTERS HAVE KILLED BY THEIR BOOK PEAR,BERG,JOHNSTON,HENSLEY,BISLEY,HEAGAN,AND THE LIST GOES ON MANY IRAQIS MEN FROM NEPAL FROM THE PHILLIPENS AND JAPAN AND HOW MANY IN OUR LANDS??
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD!!
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’
YES THEY WILL NOT LET THEM BE FREE??
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
THIS MEANS WE CAN GIVE NO QUATER??
Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”
EXPLAINS ITS SELF
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
THIS IS CAIR AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT HAS BEEN SWADED BY THE MONEY OF TERRORIST??
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
SO TO THEM THE BOMBERS ARE DOING THIS
JUST SICK OF THESE MONSTERS AND THE ONES WHO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM ARE THE WORST!!!
THEY ARE NOTHING BUT SAVAGES!!!
LOOK AT ALL THE KILLING AND ALL THE EXCUESSES REWANDA WE HEARD HOTES AND TOTES BUT NO IT WAS MULSUMS KILLING 200,000 CHRISTIANS DON'T LISTEN TO THEIR CRAP THE NEWSWEEK ART WAS NOT THE RESON THEY WERE ROITING AND KILLING PEOPLE !!
REMEMBER THEY WILL ALWAS HAVE A REASON DON'T LIKE YOUR SHORT SKIRT SO IT IS OKAY TO RAPE YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU HAVE YOUR HAIR SO WE CAN THROW ASID ON YOUR FACE BUT ALL IN ALL IT IS THE BULLYS FAULT FOR THE WHOLE THING AND THE BULLY HERE IS TH MULSUMS AND WHAT THEY WORSHIP!!!!!!
THAT CRAP MAY WORK IN EUROPE BUT NOT IN THE HEART OF THE USA!!!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC ETRRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
REMEMBER IT WAS NOT NEWSWEEK WHO CAUSED THE MULSUMS TO ROIT IT WAS THE MUSLUMS AND WHO THEY FOLLOW!!
DOES NOT GET THEM OFF THE HOOK THEY ARE ANTI AMERICAN THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THEY WOULD EVEN WRITE SUCH A THING JUST TO HURT AMERICA BUT IT ONLY GOT GOOD PEOPLE KILLED!!
If the Pope spoke this way, everyone in the Western world would be aghast and think that he had completely lost his mind.
When Muslim 'clerics' do it, it gets about as much notice as a report of 'partly cloudy' in a weather bulletin.
But we know by now that these Islamicists are completely clouded... inside the cranium.
And the storms that result from this mental fog are their vicious religious fanaticisms.
But the West has bottled lightning waiting to zap their sorry butts.
May the bolts hit soon.
Catherine in future would you keep ur comments strictly to the subject of this article & make them samll and to the point. I don't bother reading ur posts...
Quite a few non-muslim indians support this step-up jihad. This will result in the non-muslims becoming more aware of their history vis-a-vis the muslims who decimated 60 million non-muslims in India.
Never mind the loss. The non-muslims can handle that till they turn on the agressors.
there is a saying:
`mussalman ka batcha kabhi8n nahin sacha`
Muslims can never be trusted.
The PM of India should go back into history of India and forget about Gandhi`s idiocy.
This is OT but there is no other thread so likely.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4566879.stm
As Bruce Windscreen sang, Baby we were born to run !!!
To hutchrun & scourge_of_landos,
I am glad that there are some more people of indian decent on this forum.Welcome.
I am forever posting this link, print it out and put it on the notice board at the mandir, in fact e mail to all you know.
Labour have sold them selves to the moslems, they want turkey in the EU, if that happens it will be a disaster. Why are hindus/sikh voting for them ?
http://www.themuslimweekly.com/newspaper/viewfullstory.aspx?NewsID=NW00002041