As I have long argued. From Barry Rubin in Lebanon's Daily Star, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
The central question of the Arab-Israeli - or at least the Israeli-Palestinian - conflict is whether it is a "normal" struggle over territory or an existential battle set by religion, identit, and other factors much less susceptible to resolution through compromise.Many observers, drawing analogies from other issues without properly examining the specifics of the Arab-Israel case, conclude that it is a normal conflict and, consequently, can be easily settled if only the right formula is found. In fact, though, for much of the Palestinian side the question has remained one of total victory, in which only Israel's extinction and replacement by a Palestinian Arab, and perhaps Islamic, state extending between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is the acceptable solution....
The methodology of terrorism, the continuing demonization of Israel on a daily basis by the Palestinian Authority and its media, the insistence, even in 2005, of officially mourning Israel's original creation, and many other practices, reflect this world view. A more subtle aspect is putting the priority on violence and agitation rather than on building the infrastructure of a future state. In pursuit of total victory - or at least keeping the door open for its pursuit - the Palestinian movement has squandered international goodwill and the huge financial aid it received in the 1990s.
Huge financial aid? Why, I thought we were supposed to believe they were penniless.
Total victory?
Don't they mean total handout?
Muslim Arabs view Israel as a taking of land of from their Dar al Harb. Thus their war against Israel is eternal to return this Jewish controlled land to the Dar al Harb
dennisw:
You mean:" Thus their war against Israel is eternal to return this Jewish controlled land to the Dar al Islam."
Somehow, I just don't see where peace in the cards.
Hope springs eternal, but my expectations are near zero.
a10billr:
Probably because your definition of peace meets with Benedict Spinoza's, which is not simply a state absent of hostilities, but a greater state of freedom from fear, oppression, etc. -- whereas the Muslim version is one of one big umma under Allah, with Muhammed as his prime interpretor.
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May 25, 2005
Judische Selbst-hass: Jewish self-hatred
Folks, "Neturei Karta" is an anti-Zionist organization within the Orthodox Jewish community. Neturei Karta is the poster child for Arab Muslim terrorists. The New York-based movement of Neturei Karta believes that only the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and removal of Israel would bring peace to the Middle East. From IslamOnline.net:
Rabbi Yisrael David Weiss, spokesman of the New York-based Jewish Neturei Karta movement, who is currently on a visit to Paris, expressed solidarity of the Neturei Karta movement, which rejects the creation of the state of Israel, with the Palestinian people against Zionist attempts to pull down Islamic holy sites in the occupied Palestinian territories.
"Zionism, sponsored by Israel, is not an equivalent to Judaism nor represents the Jews," Weiss said.
"Zionism has always proved an obstacle to co-existence between the Arabs and Jews.
"True Judaism urges its followers to show respect to all peoples and the time is now ripe for the Jews to abandon Zionism and its long bloody history," the Jewish rabbi said.
The Jewish rabbi repeated his group's call for the removal of the Jewish state and the setting up of an independent Palestinian state, arguing that was the only guarantee for establishing peace in the Middle East.
Weiss also paid tribute to late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for efforts to regain the legitimate Palestinian rights.
"Arafat was not just a political leader of the Palestinian people but a symbol for all peoples struggling for national liberation," he said.
"He (Arafat) championed the Palestinian struggle in the battle against the colonialist conspiracy of Zionism which targets, not only Arab and Muslims, but also Judaism."
Weiss had even visited the mass murderer Arafat in November, 2004, during his treatment at the French military hospital of Percy.
Thank you "rabbi", for backstabbing your fellow Jews and for giving us a perfect example of Chillul Hashem (Desecration of the divine name).
more trouble than you can shake a stick at...
Zionism originally was the "State for Jews" project resulting from European Christian anti-Semitism and the realization by Theodore Herzl that Jews could never live under European Christian rule without severe discrimination and injustice.
A noble idea gone wrong when the result was to build a home for the Jews by turning the homes of Palestinians into rubble...
a10billr ....
You are correct. Boy did I goof there.
duh_swami:
You should explain, when referencing Rabbi Weiss and his tiny fringe, that they are the most fanatical of orthodox Jews, that the Messiah must come before a Jewish state can be created, and that Weiss receives a heft stipend from Arafat & Co.
FullofShukri:
The Jews were a continual presence in Israel despite the propaganda claims of the Palestinians and their supporters and were the majority in a number of settled areas including Jerusalem and Safed. This despite all sorts of harrassment and persecution. And, up until the recent arrival of Jews from the former Soviet Union, well over half of Israel's Jewish population was composed of Jews from the Levant, not Eastern Europe. As for the displacement of Palestinians, many were recent arrivals, there to take part in the improved economy of the region post-European settlement and many who fled did so at the order of their own leaders, not because they even saw a Jew in their settlement. So put a sock in it with your very overly simplified spin on the history of the region.
Waterdragon...I just posted that article for interested people. I didn't write it...there is probably lots more that could be said of Rabbi Wiess.
Thanks for the additional info...it just adds in, and up...