"Sometimes you read about these awful things"

" “Sometimes you read about these awful things. That Muslims kill Christians, that kind of thing. But apparently that’s not in their holy book at all. But I want to be sure. Tomorrow I’m going to go and get the Qur’an from the library.”

If she is anything like the moonbats over at Conyer's blog, she won't believe what she reads with her own eyes.

There's another part in that weblog entry which I added after I sent you the translation. This is about another day at another mosque.

"Many times they are asked about the position of women in the Muslim community. 'Europeans always have questions about the position of the woman', former board member Bahadir says, 'but Europeans also hold differing views on the position of the woman. We explicitly respect the woman by not giving them equal positions. But they are certainly not being held back.'

Whoever pays the prayer rooms a visit has to take off their shoes and is led to the top floor. There's the prayer room for men, the women's room is one floor higher. 'That has nothing to do with holding back', the guide quickly says, 'prayer demands concentration and so men and women are not together. We're only human after all.'"

You sure it has nothing to do with a prayer being invalid when a woman, a dog or a donkey passes in front of a man? Why is it possible for non-Muslims to sit together in a church with men and women all together? Note that Bahadir says inequality is a good thing.

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000098.htm#comments

Might want to drop him a line eveyday.

My letter to John Conyers,

Dear Mr Conyers,

Am I to understand that in Dearborn, Americans can hear the Muslim call to prayer blared over loudspeakers 5 times a day?

Tell me it isn't so, tell me you are a loyal American, tell me that you do know what is said in the Dearborn Mosques!

Does your proposed legislation meet with the approval of CAIR? I would certainly hope so, because if it doesn't your political future is washed up.

This year, so far, CAIR has shaken down Boeing Aircraft, Dell Computers, and Amazon dot com. But then I guess they deserved it, right? After all, Muslims have rights, and those rights are to be obeyed or else.

I ask you a simple question. What would happen to you if you were responsible for turning off all the call to prayers on loudspeakers in Dearborn? Would your life be in jeopardy? Well? Would it?

I'd really like to know.

CAIR wants you to have a free copy of the Koran:

https://www.cair-net.org/explorethequran/request.asp

Meanwhile in a livingroom nice and comfy turning through the pages of the Koran...

"Oh my god!!!! What the.... How can this be.... Holy $%^#!!! But the guy said...."

KAOSKTRL-

Thanks for the dhimmi Conyers link.

I left a note as Infidel Dog #225,600,642, and asked, among other things, if he had ever read the Koran. (I doubted it.)

Yer (typical) Con.

a10billr-

Much obliged for the CAIR 'free Koran' info.

Wouldn't it be a miraculous coincidence (matching the convenient appearance of the phrase "Death to all Muslims!" inside a used Koran that was bought by a militant Muslim woman from Amazon.com) if everyone here ordered their free copy from CAIR, but found the shocking, shocking phrase "Death to all Jews & Christian infidels!" written inside the cover of each copy received?

It could result in a big, loud, nationwide class-action suit against CAIR.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

This is off topic but interesting.
I've had a numerous emails related to the "Burn the Qur'an Day." Have any of you heard about it? Message below:

Hey - I just heard there is going to be a Nation Wide Party July 4th "Burn the Quran Day" to celebrate the freedom of expression in America. I did check and someone did buy www.burnthequran.com
and I heard to join or comment Email them at shcitzo@yahoo.com
and they will keep you up on the event.
As I read CAIR is giving away free Qurans everywhere and a lot from the web I think some people will get extra copies to use on the 4th and to waste some Saudi Whabbi money - the Saudi's got money to burn don't they?

I must admit, the free Qur'ans CAIR is passing out, complements of our dear friends and allies, the Saudis, would make good kindling. I wonder whose translation they deem suitable for the infidels. I'll bet they're specially published copies written just for us.

One thing that I'm both amazed and dismayed at is people's lack of curiousity and willingness to question things.

They seem to put so an almost infantile faith in the established and conventional media whilst they devote more and more of their time to it without doubting that their Media Messiahs would ever say anything that was untrue or misleading or would routinely cover up a lot of events.

Why have so few people noticed that if the koran is so peaceful how come Muslims can't come up with long lists of quotes , surah and verse as proof?

Susanp

I don't think that 'Burn the Koran Day' will serve any constructive purpose and is almost bound to lead to worldwide riots with loads of innocent people being killed.

Wouldn't it be better to have a day revealing what exactly is in the koran, or about the destruction to Christian churches within the Islamic world?

I'm with Elephant. I paid a few hard-earned bucks for the Qur'an I use for reference, and mark it up. In my studies, I sometimes have to use books with which I disagree strongly, even violently. In studying political extremism, for instance, I read _Mein Kampf_ and some Aryan Nations-type tracts, but became neither a convert nor a mutilator. I've read works on Chinese Communism, which I think is one of history's cruelest jokes, but, given the attitudes of China's 20th century intellectuals, may well be a strong indication that God is just. Hence, even if the whole Muslim world converts to Christianity and the Great Mosque at Mecca becomes a Presbyterian Church (with archaeologists busily at work on the Ka'aba on weekdays), I would preserve the Qur'an and Hadith for the sake of later ages' knowledge of what the Islamic error was all about.

Further, as I see the mobs in the Islamic world riot and the officials of Saudi Arabia desecrating and blaspheming against other people's sacred books, I CONGRATULATE them all. They've discovered a deep, dark, hidden SECRET of the West, namely, the reason why the West is First World, while their countries will always be Third or Fourth.

Speaking about third/world...I suppose infidel India is also thirdworld because it deserves it? Perhaps white racism, colonialism, islamic iconoclasm has nothing to do with it. Hence lump em all into 'Asians'...third worlders...hooray

Tushar, frankly I don't know that much about India. But, I can tell you, that most of China beyond the coastal provinces and major cities remains fourth world because Mao Zedong wasted years and years on collectivist schemes, turning the peasantry into serfs (they were actually forbidden to change residence), and directing the harvest from a central location in Beijing (which condemned crops in southern China to rotting in the fields--a contributor to famines in the late 1950's and 1960's). The intellectual classes of China in the interwar years, by the way, cheered for Marxism almost to a man, and danced when Mao marched into Beijing--only to be called "rotten number nine" by Madame Mao and treated accordingly during the Cultural Revolution. So, Tushar, you tell me if China got what it deserved for elevating Mao Zedong to god-like status.

I know India quite well Tushar; I know many Indians love to blame foreigners for their ills (just like Muslims blame non-Muslims for their every misfortune).

I admit that Mogul rule was atrocious, unless that is you consider a political system based on despotism and civil war to be a triumph, but as for "white colonialism" it's a bit of a tired excuse.

Japan was (deservedly) nuked and flattened in 1945, and yet it is now an economic powerhouse, and has been so for over 30 years. And yet you believe that India could not have rejuvenated herself since 1947? Singapore and Hong Kong were also British colonies and their economies are successful. To blame the myriad ills of the Republic of India on erstwhile "white racism/colonialism" rings very hollow indeed, but of course, to hundreds of millions of impoverished and nationalistic Indians it is quite an attractive argument, as it justifies their xenophobia, lessens their seething inferiority complex and gets them off the hook for decades of incompetent and ultra-corrupt government.

The extent of the damage caused by the British is also greatly exaggerated. If you travel around India today, two thirds of the railway tracks you travel upon, and half the bridges you cross, were put there by the British. If you visit archaeological sites (such as Hampi, Konark, Khajuraho, Mamallapuram) chances are they were excavated and conserved by the British. The country's major educational institutions were also founded by the British. The British also introduced the quota system for government jobs for oppressed castes and tribes, female education, a modern police force, the concept of parliamentary democracy, legislation against human sacrifice... etc. etc. India was also the first Asian country to get the electric telegraph (c.1852) and electrical power (c.1892). None of which India should be grateful for, as it was all imposed by force by an alien government who always took more than it gave, BUT then again, to depict the British era as a great calamity that devastated India is a complete lie. During the peak of British rule, the ratio of British to Indian nationals was about one to four hundred. Calcutta, erstwhile capital of British India, with a jurisdiction over India, Burma and modern-day Pakistan and Bangladesh, had according to the 1901 census, a total foreign population of 8,460 Englishmen, 1,648 Irishmen (some of whom were secretly Eurasians posing as ‘Celts’), 1,181 Scots, 76 Welsh, 777 Armenians, 222 Germans, 205 Americans, 1,889 Jews (mostly from Baghdad) and a few hundred other non-Asians. HARDLY A FOREIGN OCCUPATION!!!! Compare that to the millions of Indians/Pakistanis now in the UK! And yet you blame this tiny and largely extinct minority for the ills of the 21st century!

So, just like the Arabs, who blame all their disasters on the West (from the Crusades onwards) most South Asians also subscribe to this illusional victimhood, which places them in a fantasy world where they are all perfect human beings and nothing is their fault.