"Sudan editor denies Prophet slur," from the BBC, with thanks to Vista:
A Sudanese Islamist newspaper editor has said charges against him for allegedly questioning the parentage of the Prophet Muhammad are a "joke".Mohamed Taha Mohamed Ahmed told the BBC that he had merely written an essay to dispute such allegations by medieval historian al-Maqrizi.
Angry crowds protested outside the court where he appeared this week, demanding that he be put to death.
Those who renounce Islam can face the death penalty in Sudan.
And - "whooop! there it is!" - this is the kind of society that Shirki wants all of you to live in; Shirki, as self-described, is a MODERATE.
Unless, of course, Shirki would like to refute his death, and opine that islam does not demand death for insulting this 'prophet'; that it is, in fact, ok to insult the prophet. I wonder if your friendly co-workers know about your opinions?
I look forward to seeing our trolls respond to this one. Sometime. Maybe. If they - you know - "get around to it".
Geoff
don't hold your breath Geoff. For one thing, the trolls don't seem to frequent DW the way they do JW.
Actually, on second thought, that may be the only thing. ia666, Shirki and brownfinger don't have any problem coming up with silly rationalizations, bald assertions or circular arguments to argue their brief.
Can someone tell me what "questioning the parentage of the Prophet Muhammed" means? Does it mean suggesting he didn't have parents? (I suspect not.) If not, then what exactly was the claim about Muhammed's parents? That they were Jews? That they were space aliens (I'm not sure which they would consider more insulting)? Why isn't anyone quoting the actual words that have eveyone all het up? Inquiring minds want to know.
Interestingly, the crowd wants his death even after he DEFENDED Mohammed.
DEFENDED him, not attacked.
Good Darwin.
Geoff
Good grief, people, what's going to happen to all of us who posted on the EXPLODING BRA THREAD?
Geez, I wish I'd read this one first!
*kicks the record player*
"Can someone tell me what 'questioning the parentage of the Prophet Muhammed means?"
--from a posting above
Possibly it means that the Editor suggested that Muhammad's parents were not Muslims, for how could they have been before he received the Revelation as the Seal of the Prophets? Indeed, there is a logical problem. Imagine suggesting that, until he did start receiving the revelation, even Muhammad was not a Muslim. Yet, if he was already a Muslim, then why was it necessary for him to receive the revelation, in fits and starts, over 23 years? A difficult matter.
Another Taha in the Sudan -- a prominent writer on Islam was put to death by the Sudanese government for apostasy (about 10-20 years ago). Though apostasy was not then a crime recognized in the Sudanese law code, this little oversight did not matter. Where there's a sharia will, there's a sharia way, and he was executed -- in his 80s. For his illegal but eminently Islamic murderers, it was a case not of "Heaven Can Wait" but rather of, in their view of things, "Hell Can't Wait." They just had to speed things up.
I suspect the joke was something like:
"Did Mohammad's parents die of embarassment on the day he was born because they knew what their son would become?"
Just a guess...
"Can someone tell me what "questioning the parentage of the Prophet Muhammed" means?"
I think it means Mo's pap may have had two humps.
waterdragon52
Could it be the mohammedan trolls are performing jihad of speech by engaging us on JW and DW is
not the superior battle?
Mohammed is the son of a Jewish donkey. Pass it on!
Obviously he was a bastard in more ways than one...
Though those comments are funny, it is Hugh's which can;t be argued against. Indeed logic is the de facto enemy of religious claims especially revelatory ones. Im sure the good Sudanese folks were acting out as their conscience commanded, being schooled by the liberal madrasas (dont u love the oxymoron and yet insidious pun?)
A little biographical TV special has been made about the Sudanese basketball star Manute Bol (Remember the 7 foot 6 inch center with the three point shot. I do not recall who made the film.) After his basketball career, Bol made a fateful trip back to the Sudan to help his people in the South. Bol, a Christian, ended up in the custody of the Sudanese government; he was asked to revert to Islam. When he refused, he was thrown in jail. It took several months before he was released with some pressure from abroad. Then, in Cairo, he was delayed because he could not get his sister a visa. Bol claims that because he was African (obviously a conspicuous African), and presumed to be an enemy of Arabs, he was beaten, mugged, and ended up in the hospital. Finally, he managed to escape Egypt and the Sudan and return to the US. He suffered from a variety of health problems upon arrival, and was lucky to be alive.
Of course, millions of his people, Christian and Muslim, have not been so lucky. I do not understand why people in the West cannot connect the simple dots: Arab, Islam, black African, mass murder, genocide.
The Arab-Islamic blood fest is displayed over years right before our eyes, and folks simply blink.
Mohammed = spawn of Satan
muslims = spawn of mohammed/satan/the father of lies and deceit.
Hugh's suggestion that the question that Mo's parents could not have been muslims, is probably the cause of this storm. The fact that Ahmed is refuting the suggestion, though illogical in itself, is no guaranteee of safety. The very idea that this assertion of mo's parentage being raised publicly, is cause enough for Ahmed's beheading - or atleast that is how the ordinary muslim mullah sees it. He then incites the crowd.
I remember a somewhat similar occurrence in Pakistan, where a college lecturer found himself in a similar predicament. In that case the lecturer did actually assert that mo's parents could not have been muslims.
Then there is also the matter to consider that all humans since Adam and Eve, have been considered muslims by muslims. So in that sense, mo's parents were muslims afterall. Any who question, this is liable to be headcapped.