Pentagon and U.S. intelligence officials question authenticity, from CNN.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- the Jordanian-born insurgent leader in Iraq -- has been wounded, several Islamist militant Web sites reported Tuesday.The message could not be independently verified.
In Washington one Pentagon official with access to military intelligence said, "We have no information that would confirm that he has been wounded or injured." The official added, "Nor have we seen anything that says he hasn't been. We just don't know."
Some Pentagon and U.S military officials find the claim doubtful, saying similar rumors in the past have never been confirmed.
The latest message is attributed to militant Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, who has posted messages from al Qaeda in Iraq before.
It said that al-Zarqawi's comrades are very proud of what they described as his heroic wounds. The message also threatened that the "resistance will get tougher" as U.S.-led attacks on insurgents intensify.
The message also asks for "prayers for our leader."
The author "doesn't go into the seriousness of the injuries," said Octavia Nasr, CNN's senior editor for Arab affairs, who analyzed the posting.
"He asks the brothers, as he calls them, to pray for his health and to pray that God will protect him. He does also say that they see this injury as an honor, a mark of honor and there was a little threat there in that message, threatening what they call the enemy -- that is, of course, the U.S. forces.
"If indeed there is an injury, the injury is serious enough for the group to be inclined to announce it publicly so that in case of death, it won't be a total shock."
The message "could be just a prelude to announcing something even more serious," Nasr said.
While the statement is similar to previous messages from al-Zarqawi's group, it doesn't bear the group's logo...
They have a logo?
Why would the zMONSTER[YELLOW COWARD BULLY WHO IS IN SYIRA ] say he was wonded ??? could it be all that was rounded up and he was in Syira to make it look like he was fighting?? whille his guys surrender?????
NO THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST DID NOT FIGHT WHEN THE STRONG STOOD UP NO THESE ASS HOLES ARE COWARDS!!!
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says
He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Yes he has chosen the USA!!
TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]
And let’s look at another part?
The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,
Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?
There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 31,000 who harbors ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] son and wife’s??
And now Locus in Egypt
NOW IF THAT IS NOT TELLING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH NOTHING WILL??
Kazakhstan Blast in mine??
Islamic terrorist- killing Iraqis??
Earthquake in Algeria??
The typhoon in Philippines Remember they ran away from the Fight in Iraq??
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1104-insight-Pink+Locusts+from+North+Africa-status-15-newsID-503.html
Pink Locusts from North Africa Swarm Through Cairo
Publish Date : 11/18/2004 5:09:00 PM Source : Science and Technology News Onlypunjab.com
Swarms of pink locusts swept through the Egyptian capital on Wednesday, evoking the biblical description of the plagues which struck in the time of Moses.
The swarms of millions flew high above tall towers or swooped down onto treelined streets, where scared pedestrians stamped
on them or ran for cover.
The flying insects arrived from neighboring Libya after devouring the countryside in central and western Africa in past months.
YES I SAY ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] is losing and trying to regain control??
What verses did he say in his rambling and to say about the people of the book??
The people of
the book didn’t lose their crops??
Now Earthquake of mulsum Islands of Indonesia?? 9.3 and afterwards mass killer waves that effect many countries?/
Who is coming to the aid of the people But the Red Cross and India to help the people and Israel and the USA and the Western countries!!
210,000, mulsum killed in Indonesia alone?? Whole mulsum towns gone?? And Churches still standing??
We are waiting for the mulsums to help other mulsums?? Or with the entire fund raising they do help people instead of making war??
And now more 6.2 earthquakes in Indonesia??
Because they have sent Islamic terrorist to terrorize the victims of the killer wave??
January 11, 2005 Philippines an 4.3 Earthquake ??
Maybe small there because the fight against Islamic Terrorist??
Was ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] family in Indonesia we know they support Islamic Terrorist??
January 23 6.3 Earthquake in Indonesia??
AND THE LATES FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE CURSED??
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=NL712421F&news_headline=abu_hamza_covered_in_scabs
Since then, he has been charged in the UK with 16 offences including soliciting others to murder non-believers, racial hatred and possessing a document liable to help terrorists.
Hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza is covered from head to foot in scabs because he has an ailment that makes his skin bleed.
One theory is that he could have psioriasis, which results in flakes falling from crusty red patches on the skin.
NOW IF THIS AINT TELLING YOU SOMETHING??
I hear that extra guards have been posted on the Grapevine raisins??
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THRAET LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN
There would be no Zarqawi if the US invasion hadn't "successfully" propelled him to the top...every terrorist has an invasion/Occupation to motivate him. No invasions/occupations, no terrorism....
What a load of bollocks! No islam = no terrorism!
Posted by: Shukri at May 24, 2005 06:41 PM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006117.php
“Our mujahedeen rush to death... they want to die as much as you care to live,” added the statement, signed by the Al Qaeda Organization in the Land of Two Rivers.
I have no problem with such Islamo-babble. These fine people are merely "misunderstanders" of the true Islam. Which is all about the peace that Muhammad preached his entire life. Of course sometimes Mo' had to wield his bloody sword to defend the ummah. His wars were all defensive wars say the nice and moderate Muslims.
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Chronology of early Islam
Notice how closely Islam's inception is associated with war. From 623 to 777, a span of 154 years, there are 83 military conflicts involving the Muslims...and that is just what I have recorded here. Is Islam a religion of peace? Muslims tell me it is. But....
570 - Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish.
577 - Muhammad's mother dies
580 - Death of Abdul Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather.
583 - First journey to Syria with a trading Caravan
595 - Muhammad marries Khadijah a rich widow several years older than him.
595 - Second journey to Syra
598 - His son, Qasim, is born
600 - His daughter, Zainab, is born
603 - His daughter, Um-e-Kalthum, is born
604 - His daughter, Ruqayya, is born
605 - Placement of Black Stone in Ka'aba.
605 - His daughter, Fatima, is born
610 - Mohammed, in a cave on Mt. Hira, hears the angel Gabriel tell him that
Allah is the only true God.
613 - Muhammad's first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira. Gets few converts.
615 - Muslims persecuted by the Quraish.
619 - Marries Sau'da and Aisha
620 - Institution of five daily prayers
622 - Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets
more converts.
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa'
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to
enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Rayy in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Posted by: dennisw at May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
NOW WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT THE FAT BOY YELLOW COWARD WHO HAS RUN AWAY TO SYIRA???
http://www.emergency.com/2005/netherland_islami.htm
The Rise of Islamic Militancy in the Netherlands (Europe)
GUESS THIS IS THE FAT BOYS FAULT TOO??
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
Who was the Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini?
At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:
• The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.
WELL THIS WAS BEFORE FAT BOYS TIME???
http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp
Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism
Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one’s convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...
Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.
During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.
READ THE WHOLE THING!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867687/
Terror recruitment on the rise in Europe
What do recent arrests say about al-Qaida and Europe?
By Lisa Myers & the NBC investigative unit
Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Jan. 25, 2005
In France, Tuesday, security agents detained seven people suspected of helping funnel Islamic militants into Iraq. In Mainz, Germany, this weekend, police arrested an alleged al-Qaida operative who is also accused of recruiting for Iraq. He is alleged to be a key al-Qaida recruiter who was living in an apartment building on a quiet street. Also arrested: a Palestinian allegedly headed to fight in Iraq
SO IT IS ISLAM THAT MAKES THEM WANT TO KILL OTHERS???
JUST THE FACTS MAN JUST THE FACTS!!!
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
Catherine, how many of those "wars" that you listed were defensive? I would be interested to know...
Regarding Muhammed Amin al-Husseini. He may be very close to the Nazi's, however it does not change the fact that the Holocaust was perpetrated mostly by those who claimed allegiance to Christian and Atheistic faiths.
Regarding "Taqiyya", I challenge anyone to provide me with a single instance of "jihadists" advocating "Taqiyya".
Again, I think my statement stands and is true of the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks:
"Where there is no invasion/Occupation, there is no terrorism."
YOUR FAT BOY HERO IS DOING SO NOW CAUSE HE IS IN SYIRA NOT IN IRAQ FIGHTING??
IF HE WAS WONDED IT WAS BY HIS OWN MONSTERS??
CALL THAT LIEING??
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SUPPORT THE ISLAMIC MONSTERS WHO KILL THE IRAQI CHILDREN??
NO YOU ARE A ISLAMIC TERRORIST SUPPORTER??
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
How did the Arab territory of Transjordan come into being?
The 1922 White Paper (also called the Churchill White Paper) was the first official manifesto interpreting the Balfour Declaration.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THE WAR AGAINST THE SWEEDS IS A DEFENCIVE WAR??
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
Is Swedish Democracy Collapsing? 5-4-05
From Fjordman Wednesday, May 04, 2005
This is a very long post, but if you don't read this your making a suicidal mistake!
SO YOU ARE SAYING BURNING CHURCHES IS DEFENCIVE??
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/8/18/135030
Albanians Destroy 40 Churches and Monastaries in Kosovo
ZENIT
August 16, 1999
According to Serbian Orthodox Church sources, more than 40 Orthodox Churches and monasteries in Kosovo were destroyed by Albanians since the NATO peace forces took over control of the province.
Orthodox Bishop Atanasije Rakita, director of the Serbian Orthodox Church's information service, said that, in addition, 200 Serbian villages were systematically destroyed in this southern province.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS BULLSHIT IF YOU WOULD HAVE READ THE REST OF THE FRIST STORY HERE??
From Egypt al-Husseini was among the sponsors of the 1948 war against the new State of Israel. Spurned by the Jordanian monarch, who gave the position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to someone else, Haj Amin al-Husseini arranged King Abdullah's assassination in 1951, while still living in exile in Egypt. King Tallal followed Abdullah as king of Jordan, and he refused to give permission to Amin al-Husseini to come into Jordanian Jerusalem. After one year, King Tallal was declared incompetent; the new King Hussein also refused to give al-Husseini permission to enter Jerusalem. King Hussein recognized that the former Grand Mufti would only stir up trouble and was a danger to peace in the region.
Haj Amin al-Husseini eventually died in exile in 1974. He never returned to Jerusalem after his 1937 departure. His place as leader of the radical, nationalist Palestinian Arabs was taken by his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat. In August 2002, Arafat gave an interview in which he referred to "our hero al-Husseini" as a symbol of Palestinian Arab resistance.
GO TO THIS SIGHT YOU WILL LEARN A LOT!!!SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT WAS DEFENCIVE??? KILLING THE KING??
Qur’an 8:71 “If they try to deceive you, remember they have deceived Allah before.”
It is not America who is the Deceiver but the Islamic Terrorist Look at what God has done to his Followers Look at Bam, Indoneias, Iraq [NOW HA RUNNING WATER IN HOMES FOR THE FRIST TIME IN HISTORY THANKS TO THE USA NOT sader], Africa [MULSUMS KILLING MULSUMS] no these Islamic terrorist are the deceivers!!!
NOW WHAT GOD CAN BE DECEIVED??
http://www.voice.com.cy/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=46
Information or misinformation? Why is The Times calling St Nicholas a TURKISH (!) saint?
It is quite unfortunate to witness the distorting (intentional or unintentional, remains to be seen) of history by large and respected mass media such as the Times.
OH YEA IS THIS THE SAINT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY WHICH YOU COULD NOT NAME??
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Shukri-
If you advocate terrorism (PURPOSELY TARGETING and blowing up little kids in Iraq on their way to school, slaughtering doctors and nurses at work in Baghdad, Tikrit, Mosul, etc., cutting off the heads of non-combatants, assassinating democratically-elected representatives of the Iraqi people, exploding cars alongside buses filled with people going to work to support their families, gloating over murdering recruits who want to defend their country against terrorists) you are an inhuman scum. A twin of the maniacs performing this mayhem and murder
As far as Zarqawi's imminent death, I have a good bottle of haram champagne waiting to be popped the moment his vile last breath escapes from his miserable psychopathic corpse.
May Shukri join him in hell, as well, for excusing this subhuman behavior.
Weasels and bastards both.
I don't support terrorism (the deliberate targetting of those not involved in hostilities) nor do I support subhuman behaviour.
NOTE: Stating the evident does not mean that one supports terrorism.
The Evident: Terrorism is only initiated by invasion and occupation.
Case Example: Terrorism was only initiated in Iraq when the US government authorized the invasion of Iraq on false pretenses.
Posted by: BigSleep at May 24, 2005 07:46 PM
Gold Star for you Today!!!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THEM STRENGTH TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEVIED BY THEM AMEN
To all doubters - sincere and otherwise of the Iraq invasiion's moral validity:
(Am quoting from Bill Whittle's remarkable essay here)
How many people would be opposing the war in Iraq if they had to watch, actually witness, three or four hundred thousand people being shot in the head in front of their families? At the rate of one life taken every single second, with one unique and irreplaceable person being extinguished every tick of the 60 Minutes stopwatch, going without sleep or rest, you would be at it for three and a half days. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Every face unique, every one someone’s son or mother or precious grandchild. Bang. Bang. Bang. All night and all day, every second for three and a half days. How long to wipe out your entire family? Four seconds? Eight? Thirteen? We have found that many in Iraq, more will follow, believe me.
How many children – four or five year old boys and girls – do you need to see raped in front of you before you change your mind about Iraq? Fifty? Fifty thousand? Will that make a dent in your stainless steel belief system? How many cries for mercy in the muffled corridors of prison basements? Ten thousand? Ten times ten thousand? They were there. They happened.
Think about it. And tell me you still have the heart to oppose the Iraq invasion. The media (*spit*) will be of no help to you. Media scum forgot beslan but still endeavour daily to keep Abu Gharaib alive just coz it embarasses the US military.
Think about it. And tell me you still have the heart to oppose the Iraq invasion. The media (*spit*) will be of no help to you. Media scum forgot beslan but still endeavour daily to keep Abu Gharaib alive just coz it embarasses the US military.
Posted by: voletti at May 24, 2005 08:35 PM
Gold Star for you today!!
REMEMBER IT IS THE SOLDIER WHO GIVES FREEDOM!!! not the reporter!!
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM[NEWSWEEK] AMEN
Shuk (n' jive) ri-
Mohammad began the terrorism when his neighbors doubted his sanity and he responded with a lifelong homicidal rage (using "Allah" as his sadistic handpuppet to hurl fatwas). The murdered poetess who mocked him, first, and uncounted innocent millions since. Slaughter after slaughter after slaughter.
It hasn't stopped yet.
What "invasion and occupation" was going on in 632 A.D.?
Your jive won't flush.
The Korans will.
What I understand you to claim: Saddam slaughtered hundreds of thousands. Hence the Iraq war is justified
Counter: The US has never cared about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's murdered by Saddam and his thugs. Remember that the US actively financed Iraq in the 1980's at the same time that Saddam his thugs were killing and murdering Iraqi's.
When US access to cheap oil being threatened, the Gulf War was launched. However again we did not give a hoot about the Iraqi's. We encouraged the Iraqi's to revolt...and then when Saddam's rule was in serious crisis, we deliberately halted the invasion and deliberately allowed Saddam to slaughter tens of thousands of mujahideen.
Conclusion: The claim that Saddam's massacres justify US aggression is hypocritical since the US actively and effectively sponsored these massacres.
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
SO THIS MEANS NOTHING??
Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”
WE ARE SENDING THE BLACK HORSES TO DESTROY THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST WHO KILL THE IRAQI CHILDREN!!!!
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
WONDER IF THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE NEW TV CHANNEL???
Tabari VIII:96 “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”
GUESS THIS WAS AFTER HIS OLDER FRIST WIFE DIED WAS TIRED OF HAVING SEX WITH OLD WOMEN AND WANTED TO RAPE YOUNG WOMEN??? THINK THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE NEW TV CHANNAL??
Ishaq:511 “When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
WHAT A NICE GUY THEY FOLLOW???
Tabari VIII:130 “The Prophet conquered Khaybar by force after fighting. Khaybar was something that Allah gave as booty to His Messenger. He took one-fifth of it and divided the remainder among the Muslims.”
NOW IN TODAYS WORLD WE CALL THAT THE MAFIA???
Tabari VIII:117 “The Banu Sahm of Aslam [newly recruited Muslim militants] came to the Messenger and complained, ‘Muhammad, we have been hurt by drought and possess nothing.’ Although they had fought for the Prophet they found he had nothing [he was willing] to give them. The Apostle said, ‘O Allah, You know their condition—I have no strength and nothing [I want] to give them [from the booty I have stolen]. So conquer for them the wealthiest of the Khaybar homes, the ones with the most food and fat meat.’”
YEP MAFIA!!
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”
WONDER IF THIS WILL BE ON THE NEW CHANNEL??
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
SO LOOTING AND THEFT IS WHAT THEY TEACH SO WHY THE UP ROAR OVER THE LOOTING??? WONDER IF THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE NEW CHNNEL???
Bukhari:V4B52N276 “By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, ‘The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.’”
SO SWISS THIS IS WHY YOU ARE GETTING YOUR WOMEN ROBED BY MULSUMS ARE YOUR MEN STILL MEN OR ARE THEY MICE??
Ishaq:508/Tabari VIII:91 “Abu Jandal, Suhayl’s son, escaped and joined Abu Basir. Nearly seventy Muslim men gathered around them and they harassed the Quraysh. Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of. They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods.”
WONDER IF THIS WILL BE ON THE NEW CHANNEL??
Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”
AHHH WHAT THEY TEACH WILL THEY HAVE THIS ON THE NEW CHANNEL???
LOOKS LIKE WE NOW SEE THE LIE!!!!!
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
WONDER IF THEY WILL TEACH THIS ON THE NEW CHANNEL??
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
OH MY LIE LIE LIE!! THIS TELLS US MULSUM WORD MEANS NOTHING???
Qur’an 49:9 “If two parties among the Believers fall into fighting, make peace: but if one becomes aggressive, then fight against the one that transgresses until it complies.”
NOT WHAT IS THAT LIE WE HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM CAIR MULSUMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT OTHER MULSUMS AGAIN A LIE LIE WHONDER IF THEY WILL TEACH THIS ON THE NEW CHANNEL???
Tabari VIII:142 “The Messenger made peace with them on condition that the Zoroastrians should be required to pay the jizyah tax [so onerous, it’s akin to economic suicide] that one should not marry their women.”
OF COURSE THESE POOR PEOPLE WENT THE WAY OF THE DODO?? WILL THEY TEACH THIS ON THE NEW MULSUM CHANNEL??
Ishaq:552 “When the populace settled down, Muhammad went to the Ka’aba and compassed it seven times on his camel, touching the Black Stone with a stick. Then he went inside the Temple. There he found a dove made of wood. He broke it in his hands and threw it away.” [The first idol Muhammad broke was the international symbol of peace.]
WHICH WAS A HOLY PLACE BUILT BY ISMAEL NOW HE IS FROM THE SAME STOCK AND WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT HIM??
Ishaq:607 “The Byzantines encountered the Messenger’s cavalry which was led by Khalid. Ukaydir was seized and his brother Hassan was killed. Muhammad spared his life and made peace with him on the condition that he pay the zakat tax.”
WELL NO MORE MONEY!!!!
WE SEE YOUR PEICE YOUR MONSTERS ARE LOOSE!!!
WE HAVE BIG TOYS NOW AND WE HAVE LEARNED WHAT??
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=article&id=1726
Arabs Recognized Israel - 1919
by Chuck Morse
December 20, 2002
Feisal accepted the British Balfour Declaration of Nov. 2, 1917, which afforded recognition to a Jewish national homeland, and agreed with the Zionist delegation, stating, "All such measures shall be adopted as we afford the fullest guarantee of carrying into effect the British Government's Balfour Declaration." Emir Feisal confirmed this determination in a March 3, 1919 letter to Harvard Law Professor, and later US Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter, to whom he wrote: "Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted by the Zionist organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as modest and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through. We will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."
In exchange for Arab recognition of Israel, the Allied powers, in 1919, agreed to the eventual sovereignty of almost 20 Arab states, covering vast oil-rich lands, after a period of mandatory oversight by European powers. The Europeans would proceed to draw the borders of their respective mandates and, in essence, create the system of Arab states that would emerge out of the remnants of the old Turkish Ottoman Empire. In 1922, a couple of years after the Conference, in a land for peace deal, the British would split Mandatory Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish Mandate using the Jordan River as the line of demarcation. The Arabs were granted East Palestine, or Transjordan, which would later become Arab Jordan while West Palestine, or Cis-Jordan, would become the Jewish National homeland of Israel.
SO ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE SEEN THE MULSUMS LIE AND TRY TO STEAL LAND NOT THEIRS!! THEY SIGN A TREADY GET WHAT THEY WANT THEN BREAK THE TREADY WHY ARE WE THE WEST PUTTING UP WITH THIS SH-T!!!!!!!!!!! MAYBE IT IS TIME TO TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY!!
THEY WANTED THE UN AND HAVE DESTROYED IT ANYTHING THEY TOUCH IS DESTROYED!!!
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
WONDER IF THE NEW CHANNEL WILL TEACH THIS WE ALREADY SEE THEY SEND IN MONSTERS TO KILL THE IRAQI PEOPLE??
WILL THEM JETS BE FLYING IN THE NIGHT TO DROP LITTLE BOMBS TO SAVE WHAT CAN BE SAVED???
Tabari VII:112/Ishaq:372 “When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, ‘Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!’ I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, ‘If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.’ Sa’d rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew’s head open.”
KILLING THE BLIND WONDER IF THEY WILL TEACH THIS ON THE NEW CHANNEL???
Tabari VII:147 “Amr was sent by Muhammad to kill Abu Sufyan [the Quraysh leader and merchant]. The Prophet said, ‘Go to Abu Sufyan and kill him.’ …When I entered Mecca I had a dagger ready to slay anybody who laid hold of me. My Ansar companion asked, ‘Should we start by circumambulating the Ka’aba seven times and praying two rak’ahs?’ I said, ‘I know the Meccans better than you do.’ But he kept pestering me until in the end we went to the Ka’aba, circumambulated it seven times, and prayed.”
Tabari VII:148 “One of the Meccans recognized me and shouted, ‘That is Amr!’ They rushed after us, saying, ‘By Allah, Amr has not come here for any good purpose! He has come for some evil reason.’ Amr had been a cutthroat and a desperado before accepting Islam.”
NOW THAT MAKES SINCE WHY THEY RECRUIT IN JAILS???
Qur’an 87:10 “He who fears will mind.”
THE MAFI CODE!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN
When US access to cheap oil being threatened, the Gulf War was launched. However again we did not give a hoot about the Iraqi's. We encouraged the Iraqi's to revolt...and then when Saddam's rule was in serious crisis, we deliberately halted the invasion and deliberately allowed Saddam to slaughter tens of thousands of mujahideen.
Conclusion: The claim that Saddam's massacres justify US aggression is hypocritical since the US actively and effectively sponsored these massacres.
Posted by: Shukri at May 24, 2005 09:38 PM
YOU ARE MORE STUPID THEN WE THOUGHT BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE IRAQI PEOPLE WE COULD HAVE GOT THE UN=LON=ARABLEAGUE TO LIFT THE EMBARGO AND HAD ALL THE OIL FOR EUROPE WE WANTED AND SAVED A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY YOU SILLY LITTLE CHILD!!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER AMEN
PS
LIKE THE MULSUM WORLD CAME TO THE AID IF THE KILLER WAVE VICTIMS NO IT WAS NOT THE MULSUM WORLD WHO GAVE A SHIT BUT THE USA AND FRIENDS!!!
LIKE THE USA WAS SUCKERED IN TO SAVING THE MULSUM MONSTER IN KOSOVO??
WHY DO YOU LIE BOY??? OH YEA YOUR A MULSUM!!!
O/T
Guess who the real Koran desecrators are? The Saudi’s that’s who.
Dissing the Koran
While Islamist fanatics and ignorant Westerners sow panic over the alleged desecration of a Koran at Guantanamo Bay, no one mentions a startling fact: When it comes to destruction of the Koran, there's no question who the world champion is--the government of Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi state religion is the primitive and austere Wahhabi version of Islam, which defines many traditional Islamic practices as idolatrous. Notably, the state bans the importation of Korans published elsewhere. When foreign pilgrims arrive at the Saudi border by the millions for the annual journey to Mecca, what happens to the non-Saudi Korans they are carrying? The border guards confiscate them, to be shredded, pulped, or burned. Beautiful bindings and fine paper are viewed as a particular provocation--all are destroyed. (This on top of the spiritual vandalism the Saudis perpetrate, by inserting anti-Jewish and anti-Christian squibs into the Korans they publish in foreign languages, as Stephen Schwartz documented in our issue of September 27, 2004.)
This behavior isn't a recent innovation, by the way. Here's an account of how the Saudis carried on when they seized the city of Taif in 1802. It's taken from an unimpeachable Islamic source, the compilation Advice for the Muslim, edited by the Turkish scholar Hilmi Isik and published by Hakikat Kitabevi in Istanbul:
The Wahhabis tore up the copies of the Koran . . . and other Islamic books they took from libraries, mosques and houses, and threw them down on the ground. They made sandals from the gold-gilded leather covers
of the Koran and other books and wore them on their filthy feet. There were verses of the Koran and other sacred writings on those leather covers. The pages of those valuable books thrown around were so numerous that there was no space to step in the streets of Taif. . . . The Wahhabi bandits, who were gathered from the deserts for looting and who did not know the Koran, tore up all the copies they found and stamped on them. Only three copies of the Koran were saved from the plunder of a major town, Taif.
No wonder anti-Wahhabi Muslims say "the Saudis print the Koran to destroy it." They print it and they destroy it in a daily desecration that makes Newsweek's retracted Guantanamo allegation look trivial by comparison.
Catherine, BigSleep, Cross...
In Catherine's words, "gold stars for you all".
The facts say it all...
Catherine, have you been seeking professional help?
Your posts are fenzied and border on incomprehensable.
Calm down, stick to the subject of the thread and most of all, please check your spelling. Your image will improve and with it will come the respect of others here.
While I am writing this I am watching O'Reilly interviewing University of Virginia professor Rose Brooks: You gotta see it to believe it! How can we live on the same planet with such moonbats?
This crackerbox would allocate a lawyer to each and every terrorist in Gitmo, incredible! 'Fight a war in a fair way'- here comes flower power 2005.
Just lie down and take it, is what she seems to say! Too bad these fools are educating our kids!
Perhaps she should apply for a job at the 'whichty Jihad School' in Thailand!
Shukri - Hows the hunt going for a nine year old sex goddess????? Just so you can be like Mohammed (may pigs piss be upon him).
Don't bother with Shukri - not only does he approve of paedophilia, but he is also a 'master' of Muslim double speak.
Remember - just like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Shukri thinks that taking the sword to infidels IS DEFENDING Islam. Hence all the wars Islam started were defensive wars.
I swear that Orwell must have examined Islam before writing 1984.
No Islamic Terrorism = No Koran.
Why would anyone rely on Robert Fisks' reports about the Iraqi war? He is a Muslim apologist and a traitor to the West. The guy is nothing but venom - oh no wonder Shukri relies on him, silly me! Sorry!
As for the argument that the US is only after cheap oil - get real.
For starters the US gets most of its oil from South America, which is why the Muslims are trying to turn those South American countries against the US. Yet again this is an example of Socialists/Communists siding with Islam.
Secondly, why spend trillions on a war, lose men & women, when you could just buy it off an Islamic Dictator (is there anything but?) for half the price. Like the employees of the esteemed UN did, like Coffee’s son (misspelling intentional)?! “Food for Oil” or was that meant to be “Money for me, Bugger the starving Iraqi kids, I can just blame the US!””
Besides, if you wanted oil - you would go for Saudi Arabia, they instigated 9/11.
As for Zarqawi, he is a true Muslim, as is Shukri. Zarqawi uses force (a revolutionary Muslim) and Shukri uses deception via the media and democratic process (a evolutionary Muslim).
Both have the same goal, a Muslim world where little kids are ripe for abuse and sex, as are any infidels.
Zarqawi and Shukri are one of the same. They just disagree as to how to get there; their beliefs in Islam however are the same.
The West should head neither of their type or hype.
I've finally worked it out! I hear that most great people were Muslims. For example 'Sheik'spear was one of their greatest writers.
IA is really George Orwell?? Am I right? They were both British? I think his real name was/is George Jihad, that has a nice ring to it. No wonder George knew about Double Speak and Thought Crimes - He was a Muslim!!!!!
Time for my medication now......
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- the Jordanian-born insurgent leader in Iraq -- has been wounded, several Islamist militant Web sites reported Tuesday".
I only hope the bullet had pigs blood on it!
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- the Jordanian-born insurgent leader in Iraq -- has been wounded, several Islamist militant Web sites reported Tuesday
Well if this wonderful news is true, I hope the filthy bastard dies a slow and painful death but before he dies, I want him to have horrible nightmares about the decimation of Mecca, in color and slow motion. I want him to see the great temple of hate crumble and collapse, and the black stone explode into smithereens and rain down on the hysterical acolytes of Satan. I want him to watch as the entire complex of Islamic blasphemy, including the pilgrims, are sucked into a huge crevice in the ground which will seal itself and leave no trace of what was. I want him to see nothing where the epicenter of Islam once stood.
Then he can die.
I don't support terrorism (the deliberate targetting of those not involved in hostilities) nor do I support subhuman behaviour.
Shukri? Oh yes - you do support barbaric acts!
009.005 fight and slay the Pagans ''''wherever'''' ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.
002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing [war] which is good for you and that ye love a thing [peace] which is bad for you?
009.039 Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight [jihad], smite at their necks. [Behead them!]
005.033 The punishment of those who ''' wage war ''' against Allah and His Messenger is:
EXECUTION, or CRUCIFIXION, or the CUTTING OFF OF HANDS AND FEET
Shukri? That is just a few facts among many - that you support barbaric acts!
"Conclusion: The claim that Saddam's massacres justify US aggression is hypocritical since the US actively and effectively sponsored these massacres."
True to form.
Do you know any Iraqi's Shukri?
Moose
Please flush twice. It's a long way to mecca.
In the world according to Shukri, terrorism is justified when initiated only in response to invasion and occupation. OK, Shukri, then how do you justify the massacre of the Beslan school kids by islamic terrorists from Chechnya? First some facts, Beslan is a city in the Republic of North Ossetia and not in the Republic of Chechnya. Ossetian troops are not invading or occupying Chechnya. Beslan school kids are not invading or occupying Chechnya. North Ossetia and Chechnya do not share a common border, but are separated by the Republic of Ingushetia. But Chechen islamist invaded and occupied a school in Beslan, Ossetia. What reason did Chechen islamists have for invading and occupying Ossetian territory and massacring Beslan school kids other than that Ossetia is predominantly a Christian republic?
I do not recall any Iraqi attacking America. I do not recall any Afghani attacking America. Yet those 2 countries were invaded and bombed and tens of thousands murdered in cold blood with the sadistic term "collateral damage" justifying such atrocities in the eyes of many...
Look at the pictures...do you now understand why those who have to pick up the pieces of the bodies of their families have no problem beheading anyone associated with "the enemy"?
It is interesting that you never address what I am saying. Everything I say is immediately "Taqiyya" or "Deception" or something else. Never mind that those concepts are not even a part of mainstream Islam and were only adopted by Muslim sects to protect themselves against repression. A real cop-out to just claim that I am trying to deceive people without addressing any of my propositions.
Beth, you would be more Christian and following the path of Jesus more if you would use less misleading arguments. For a start, find out what Asbab al Nuzul is and then research the Sabab of each verse. Let me help you out with a starting point
Of course. Several dozens attend a local Mosque and I am friends with most of them.
Terrorism is not justified under any circumstance. But what I am saying is that it takes 2 to tango. Without the invasion/occupation part, there is no terrorism. Thats what I'm saying. i.e:
No invasion+No Occupation = No Terrorism
What did Basayev demand? "Complete withdrawal of all Russian Occupiers from Chechnya". The motivation for the horrific events at Beslan was Occupation/Invasion. The murders were COMPETELY unjustified. But I wonder that people can consider the Chechens animals when they apparently kill children but 40,000 Chechen children killed by Russian Fascists is no problem. As they say 1 death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic...
Terrorism is bred through desperation resulting from Invasion and Occupation.
Sincerely praying for a just peace,
Shukri, you ignore the facts and substitute Russia for Noorth Ossetia. Ossetia is not Russia, Chechen islamists massacred North Ossetian school kids, not Russian school kids. Therefore, even under your rules of engagement, the action was not justified. To reach your justification, one must consider the Republic of North Ossetia to be part of the Russion Federation andChechnya also to be part of the Russian federation, i.e., Ossettia and Chechnya are either both separate republics or both part of the Russian federation. If both are separate, there was no invasion or occupation of Chechnya by North Ossetia, then the act of the islamists was a wanton unprovoked act of terrorism against Christians. If both are part of the Russian federation, there was no invasion or occupation by Russia of Chechnya since Russia is the lawful occupier of the territory, and therefore the islamists committed a criminal act against the state.
Well put Cathrine.Keep it up.As for the muslim who advocates shooting babys in the head at point blank range,i doubt the origins of your fiath ,and have no respect for it ,i will be visiting my childrens school to inform them that they must take my children out of class anytime the try to mention islam or tolerance.I will pray for the lost poeple of mohamad
Shukri wants facts. Lets give it to him shall we...
Fact 1: Shukri you do approve of sex with nine year old girls, simply because Mohammed did such horrific things.
Fact 2: Islam spread through the sword. It got into Iraq by the sword. It got into Iran by the sword.
Fact 3: Tell me Shurki, what was Charles Martel doing long before the crusades? Oh that’s right he was a French man defending his country FROM ISLAM. I suppose Shukri thinks all the Muslims opposing him only had Korans and were only there for the booty that’s Allah’s (and the pretty French girls/women)
Fact 4: Islam invaded the ME, Israel.
Fact5: Islam invaded Turkey and Syria, the majority of the population used to be Christian and Pagan.
Fact 6: Islam invaded Greece.
Fact 7: Around the same time that Islam invaded Spain, and France, it invaded the underbelly of Russia and the Balkans - where those wars still continue today. SO THE WAR IN Chechnya - THAT STILL RAGES TODAY - IS A RESULT OF ISLAMIC INVASION.
Fact 8: After beating the crap out of the Iranians Islam went on to the Sub Continent of India - AGAIN WHERE THE WAR IS STILL RAGING against the Hindus.
Fact 9: Just as the Bible predicted in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah the Jews would return to THEIR land, never to be removed again. AND GUESS WHAT???? Despite the Arabs outnumbering the Jews well over 100:1, and parts of Israel being only 15km thick - THE MUSLIM ARMIES ATTACKED, WITH THE HELP OF ALLAH. The rest is history. Allah is impotent
.Fancy getting beaten by a bunch of Jews using antiquated equipment from WW2 in the first Muslim Jewish War.
Fact 10: Saddam was financing homicide bombers around $10k a pop (depending on how many Jews they killed). In doing so he was making war on the West and the Jews.
Fact 11: Shukri says: "but 40,000 Chechen children killed by Russian Fascists is no problem" Shukri, Islam started the war. The blood is on Islam.
Why Shukri don't you complain about the tens of thousands of Christians and Pagans who are slaughtered every year by Muslims in the name of Islam – that still goes on today in the Sudan and Rhawanda to name a couple.
Fact 12: Afghanistan supplies around 90% of the world’s opium. I suppose you think this gives a new meaning to the "religion of peace"? How about we add up, worldwide, the number of people who have died from this drug, and its associated diseases? Not to mention the crime it has caused, and the following death of users and innocents alike. Then you get cranky when this very country, who supported 9/11, plus waged war on OUR society via drugs, is invaded by us? You are really shortsighted Shukri (but I'd expect that from a wanna be pedophile).
I could go on, as could many other - but this post is already big enough.
3dtime: It's Rwanda, and Muslims are only a very small proportion of its population. Most are Roman Catholic. Also, the fight's between two castes called Hutu and Tutsi. It's one of a number of brushfires where Muslims simply don't count.
As for Zarqawi's injury, I say wait and see. But, if the pro-terrorist blogs are reporting it, there may be something to it.
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/
Says that he has gangrene, hopefully he dies screaming and in a lot of pain, like having his head cut off with a blunt knife hopefully.
Thanks Kepha - however like many African nations (muslim or infidel) much of the bloodshed is fanned by ME oil money. I was also under the impression that one of the tribes involved was Islamic - maybe I'm wrong, if I am I stand corrected. That said, there is plenty of Jihad all through Africa.
I have both Sth African and Zimbabwe friends who have served in the repective armies, fighting the socialists there, (like Mandella), who were financed by Islamic money. They have told me some horrible stories.
Whereas Islamic money in the West buys pollies and academics, in Africa it buys bombs and bullets.
Maybe Zarqawi has the same "injury" that Arafat had - AIDS???, and they want him to go out like a hero, not a whimper (it saves the hassle of press releases about "Jewish Plots")
Arafat was treated in the French hospital known for their expertise in HIV treatment, plus Arafat was a little impartial to "parking in the rear", and he also displayed many of the symptoms.
Kepha - do a google on Rwanda and Islam - have a look at how rapidly Islam is growing there.
Islamic money manipulates big time.
From catherine's link
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
"In 1929, major Arab riots were instigated against the Jews of Palestine. They began when al-Husseini falsely accused Jews of defiling and endangering local mosques, including al-Aqsa. The call went out to the Arab masses: "Izbah Al-Yahud!" — "Slaughter the Jews!" After the killing of Jews in Hebron, the Mufti disseminated photographs of slaughtered Jews with the claim that the dead were Arabs killed by Jews."
nothing has changed from the muslims side.arafat carried on the tradition.
except we have gotten weaker and cowardly .
One day our soldiers will decide we are no longer worth defending!
I'm surprised this story has only just been posted, I sent it to RS several days ago.
I've now deleted the auto response and can't remember which paper it came from but the story was supposed to have come from the doctor who treated him.
According to the story he arrived at a hospital in a limo with several western (well) dressed bodyguards. He was covered in blood and though the doctor wanted to keep him at the hospital he was whisked away by the bodyguards after being treated. The doctor said he was badly wounded but would not give any details.
Shukri is full of it...Shukri:"Where there is no invasion/Occupation, there is no terrorism."
Now thats a crock...tell that to the Russians at Belsen, tell that to the Jajanweed, muslim warriors terrorising blacks in Sudan, or any number of others, like the Phillipines, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Italy, Indoneasia, even China...all due to invasions and occupations...muslim invasions and occupations....
Northern Ossetia is effectively controlled by the Russian Government. If the Beslan terrorists had intended to attack Christians, why then did they not target Georgia, an overwhelmingly Christian country and a country far far easier to attack?
The very obvious reason is that Georgia is independent of Russia whereas N. Ossetia is a Russian puppet.
I'm not sure how you were able to conclude from my explicit condemnation of the Beslan attacks that I justify those attacks...I don't. I condemn them as atrocities...
3rdtimelucky, Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, population wise. Please give me your mythical dates when it was invaded by Muslim armies...
3rdtimelucky, you appear to be constantly mixing up facts. In Rwanda, it was Christians (including NUNS) who massacred hundreds of thousands of their fellow Christians. It was Islam & Muslims who saved them
From the same article:
"It wasn't the kind of jihad that has been in the news since Sept. 11, 2001. There were no references to Osama bin Laden, the World Trade Center or suicide bombers. Instead there was only talk of April 6, 1994, the first day of the state-sponsored genocide in which ethnic Hutu extremists killed 800,000 minority Tutsis and Hutu moderates."
How refreshing - no prayers to Bin Laden, no call for murder and war.
And it is most notable because of that. Even the apologist Wax herself takes note of that fact.
Then again, perhaps Shirki could point out the edicts of the Bible which drove these people to attack one another. Something resembling Sura 9 but written for the Christian faith might do. Or perhaps he could indicate where the killers referred to the Bible in their crimes.
Imam Geoff
Or better yet, you could respond to 3rdtime on any of his other points, Shirki. Yet, nothing so far. I wonder why not.
Or perhaps you could explain why N. Ossetia being attacked 'means' that it was a Russian puppet whereas the fact that Georgia was attacked 'means' that it wasn't - or maybe instead Shirki could simply explain how one drives a cart and relate that to argumentation. For example, does one put the horse before or behind the cart?
=)
Then again, you first tell us that North Ossetia was indeed a Russian puppet (and thus, presumably, a worthy target for the murder of schoolchildren, as is done elsewhere in the name of this fictional god), and then you tell us that you don't support such actions. Make up your mind, please.
And Allah knows least.
Sincerely praying for an actually just peace,
Imam Geoff
(I mean, seriously; holy fact making-up, Batman.)
Beth, you would be more Christian and following the path of Jesus more if you would use less misleading arguments. For a start, find out what Asbab al Nuzul is and then research the Sabab of each verse.
shukri - you are the one ignoring the facts:
009.123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you.
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks. [Behead them]
shukri - It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand just what the commands mean - that your Muhammad wrote.
Being a Christian - requires one to be truthful.
Without the Koran - there is no Islam.
And for the record - Muhammad wrote commands that violate all international 'humanitarian' laws.
It is illegal to behead a person.
It is illegal to trade back and forth female slaves - as temporary 'wives'.
It is illegal to incite mass genocide.
009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; in this they but imitate what ''' the unbelievers ''' of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
009.004 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term.
009.005 But when the forbidden months are past [when the 'treaties' expire} then fight and slay the Pagans ''''wherever'''' ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.
008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. [Treason - in all non-Muslim nations]
033.061 They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy.
009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
It is you shukri - who is ignoring the facts....and they are BRUTAL!
Oh well done Shukri, so I got my fact partly wrong on Rwanda. What about all the other points people, including myself raise here?
It is a fact that Islamic oil money is pooring into Rwanda - from fanatics in Saudi Arabia - but you say nothing. Funny that.
Like others say - you tuck tail and run.
"constantly mixing up facts" - Show me where I am wrong elsewhere Shukri - we are all waiting.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/zarq052505b.asp
The Status of Al Zarqawi – Clues to His Status in the Battle of Uhud?
I THINK THEY GOT IT WRONG HIS PEOPLE ARE LEAVING AND NOT WILLING TO DIE FOR HIM AND SEE THE CURSE YES THE YELLOW CURSE THESE MONSTERS HAVE BROUGHT???
Cow, verse 140
OR do you claim that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their off spring were Jews and Christians say:” have you more knowledge than god?” who is wicked then he who conceals the testimony he received from god? God is not unaware of all you do.
OH but What is the truth??
More and More I believe!!
Genesis Chapter 16
9] and the angle of the LORD said to her “ Go back to your mistress, and submit to her harsh treatment” 10] and the angle of the LORD said to her “I will greatly increase your offspring/ and they shall be too many to count” 11] the angle of the LORD said to her further,” behold you are with child/ and shall bear a son;/ you shall call him Ishmael./ For the LORD has paid head to your suffering./ 12] he shall be a wild ass of a man;/ his hand against everyone,/ and everyone’s hand against him;/ he shall dwell alongside of all his kinsmen” 13] and she called the LORD who spoke to her, “ you are EL-roi” by which she meant. “Have I not gone on seeing after he saw me!” 14] Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; it is between Kadesh and Bered.-
YES AN WILD ASS OF A MAN WHO IS AGAINST EVERYONE????
THE FAT BOY IS NOT TALKING ABOUT HIM SELF HE IS TALKING ABOUT ubl[yellow coward who runs away] THE FAT BOY IS LOOSING HIS LEADER TO THE YELLOW CURSE ?? WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK IT IS NO IT WAS NOT RECIVED ON THE BATTLE FIELD BUT THE YELLOW CURSE!!!!
OH I BELIEVE THE WILD ASS OF A MAN HIS HAND AGAINST EVERY ONE!!!
THE FAT BOYS FOLLOWERS DO NOT WANT TO DIE FOR HIM LOOK AT HOW THEY SURRENDER!!! WHAT WAS IT YESTERDAY 366??
SO WE KNOW THEY WORSHIP ISMEAL
I LIKE THIS OUT OF TH qu-ran!!!
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says
He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”
Yes he has chosen the USA!!
TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]
And let’s look at another part?
The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,
Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?
There will be no more warnings?
Earthquake in Iran kills 31,000 who harbors ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] son and wife’s??
And now Locus in Egypt
NOW IF THAT IS NOT TELLING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH NOTHING WILL??
Kazakhstan Blast in mine??
Islamic terrorist- killing Iraqis??
Earthquake in Algeria??
The typhoon in Philippines Remember they ran away from the Fight in Iraq??
http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1104-insight-Pink+Locusts+from+North+Africa-status-15-newsID-503.html
Pink Locusts from North Africa Swarm Through Cairo
Publish Date : 11/18/2004 5:09:00 PM Source : Science and Technology News Onlypunjab.com
Swarms of pink locusts swept through the Egyptian capital on Wednesday, evoking the biblical description of the plagues which struck in the time of Moses.
The swarms of millions flew high above tall towers or swooped down onto treelined streets, where scared pedestrians stamped
on them or ran for cover.
The flying insects arrived from neighboring Libya after devouring the countryside in central and western Africa in past months.
YES I SAY ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] is losing and trying to regain control??
What verses did he say in his rambling and to say about the people of the book??
The people of
the book didn’t lose their crops??
Now Earthquake of mulsum Islands of Indonesia?? 9.3 and afterwards mass killer waves that effect many countries?/
Who is coming to the aid of the people But the Red Cross and India to help the people and Israel and the USA and the Western countries!!
210,000, mulsum killed in Indonesia alone?? Whole mulsum towns gone?? And Churches still standing??
We are waiting for the mulsums to help other mulsums?? Or with the entire fund raising they do help people instead of making war??
And now more 6.2 earthquakes in Indonesia?? Because they have sent Islamic terrorist to terrorize the victims of the killer wave??
January 11, 2005 Philippines an 4.3 Earthquake ??
Maybe small there because the fight against Islamic Terrorist??
Was ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] family in Indonesia we know they support Islamic Terrorist??
January 23 6.3 Earthquake in Indonesia??
AND THE LATES FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE CURSED??
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=NL712421F&news_headline=abu_hamza_covered_in_scabs
Since then, he has been charged in the UK with 16 offences including soliciting others to murder non-believers, racial hatred and possessing a document liable to help terrorists.
Hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza is covered from head to foot in scabs because he has an ailment that makes his skin bleed.
One theory is that he could have psioriasis, which results in flakes falling from crusty red patches on the skin.
NOW IF THIS AINT TELLING YOU SOMETHING??
I hear that extra guards have been posted on the Grapevine raisins??
Qur’an 8:71 “If they try to deceive you,
remember they have deceived Allah before.”
It is not America who is the Deceiver but the Islamic Terrorist Look at what God has done to his Followers Look at Bam, Indoneias, Iraq [NOW HA RUNNING WATER IN HOMES FOR THE FRIST TIME IN HISTORY THANKS TO THE USA NOT sader], Africa [MULSUMS KILLING MULSUMS] no these Islamic terrorist are the deceivers!!!
Qur’an 8:49 “When the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease said: ‘The religion has deceived and misled them.’”
I think this fits for the Islamic terrorist who make war on the people look what ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] saddam[FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD] has brought to the people sader[YELLOW COWARD WHO KILLS MEN IN THEIR HOLY MOSQUE] all have brought death and destruction to the people not life and joy no these who follow the lies like out of newsweek aljerreza will all head for death and the yellow cuse!!
LOOK AT WHAT THESE HYPOCRATES HAVE BROUGHT TO THE FOLLOWERS A YELLOW CURSE!!
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
Polio is spreading in Yemen is this not where the monster ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]he now brings plagues on the people he has brought the wrath of God on mulsums because of their killing and hate? When will the mulsum world see this curse on their heads for following these monsters??
When God lead the Children of Israel out of Egypt out of Bondage from slavery Egypt felt that wrath now because they follow the hate again we see in mulsum lands FLOODS, EARTHQUAKES, LOCUS, SICKNESS how much will they have to suffer because they are following MONSTERS down the wrong path to want the death of Jews and Christians and others??
IS ANYONE REALY SURPRISED?? If you know about the Torah or the Bible then you would understand they worship Ishmael and what it says about him will be an ass of a man his hand against every one!!
The Arabians were for centuries governed by the descendants of Joktan, who peopled the south-west of Arabia. Yarab one of the sons of Joktan founded the kingdom of Yaman, in which was also the kingdom of Sheba, whose Queen afterwards visited King Solomon. The Kingdom of Yaman was the most powerful state of all Arabia. [NOW
THERE IS A plagues on the children who is from there? ubl [YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]
Jorahan another son of Joktan founded the kingdom of Hedjaz which became the thereafter became the most import in all Arabia for its possession of the holy places of Mecca and Medina, and is called the holy land of Arabia
The Arabs originally acknowledged the Existence of one Supreme God, Creator of the Universe, whom they called allah taala, the most high god.
Their religion soon lost its earliest monotheism, and degenerated into gross idolatry, fetichism, animal worship and star worship. They frist of all adopted Sabeanism or worship of the hosts of heaven.
It is said that the ancient Arabs had 7 celebrated temples decated to the 7 plantes. Very soon, however, the star worship became greatly corrupted and other deities, superstitious and idolatrous practices were introduced.
From their pagan neighbors they adopted the doctrine of the abodes or haunts of gods: marked them out as sacred territories by pillars, and within which bloodshed, cutting of trees, and killing game was forbidden, and within such enclosures the blood of sacrifices was smeared on sacred stones, and gifts were hung up on trees. This is the origin of the Haramain or sacred territory around Mecca and Medina. Everywhere in Arabia there were wells, pillars, and heaps of stones, where the Arab devotees congregated to obtain special blessings. Sacrifices were common, but not by fire. The blood of the sacrifices was smeared over the rude stone altars, and the flesh was eaten by the worshipers.
They also worshiped idols, ten of whom are mentioned by name in the qu-ran.
Al Uzza identified with planet Venus, and worshiped at times under the form of an acacia tree: and Manat a huge stone worshiped as an altar by several tribes. The Arabs also worshiped angels, whom they called female gods and the daughters of god. They imagined that these images of angles were animated by them and were intercessors with god for man. The most celebrated and central object of arab worship however was the blackstone of Mecca set in the corner of a square building called the Kaaba, in which also are placed the images of Abraham and Ismael each carrying in their hands divine arrows.
SO WHEN THE GO AROUND AND AROUND THEY WORSHIP ISMAEL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HIM??
Further they say that Mecca stands on the spot exactly beneath God’s throne in heaven. The present Kaaba they say was built by Abraham and his son Ismael and the black stone which had been missing, was shewn to Ismael by the angel Gabriel, and it was used as a corner stone for the building of the kaaba.
The Jews who had fled in great numbers into Arabia from the fearful destruction of their country by the Romans, had introduced Jewish religion among several of the tribes. Christianity like wise had made great progress among this nation before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od
The multiplicity and variety of so many religions and religious ideas and practices not infrequently conflicting with one another had already produced in the minds of these people necessity of finding a religion that would be re-conciliatory, and that could be adaped to the nature of people and thus the path was layed open to the new religion called Hanifs, which was introduced just before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od. These Hanifs were a small number of Arabs, who worshiped only allah, rejecting polytheism, and sought FREEDOM from sin and resignation to Gods will. Thus was we see Hanifism was only a step to islam, and such was the state of religion in Arabia before the time of Mo-Ham-Od.
OF COURSE THEN HE BROUGHT RAPE KILLING STEALING AND LETS NOT FORGET LIEING ALL FOR HIS CAUSE??? SAD SAD!! Most muslims have taken what was before which was good and get it mixed up with Mo-Ham-Ods stuff???
Some by me and the rest by Rev.J.L.Menezes written in 1912??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND AND FIGHT THESE MONSTERS AMEN
"3rdtimelucky, Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, population wise. Please give me your mythical dates when it was invaded by Muslim armies..."
Shukri - Arab traders bought Islam to Indonesia - in theory this was "peaceful". Just like it was in Malaysia.
However Shukri this is but a minority of cases, let alone the recent Islamic roits in this country showing how the "religion of peace" operates, or the many Timorese (Catholic) and Indonesian Christians and Hindu's who get murdered in the name of Islam on a daily basis.
I have known both Indo's and Malay's as both friends AND family. Guess what Shukri? My Malay relative (who is in her 60's) remebers when "peace loving" Muslims came to her village and converted them all - WITH THE THREAT OF DEATH.
First opportunity away from Islam, and guess what? She investaged what all the Arabic was (as very few Indo's understand Arabic), and she has come to the conclusion that Islamic TEACHINGS are NOT PEACEFUL at all.
So how about it Shukri - your "peace loving traders" are like you - peaceful at first, then when you gain control - well thats where the peace and tolerance ends. Much like Mohammed's treatment of infidels. Its all temporary.
Hey everybody - I did something most Muslims can't. Admit that I'm wrong (on Rwanda)!!!! Why? I don't follow a pedophile profit (spelling intentional) who couldn't ever do the same.
Great Post Catherine! Thank you.
3rdtimelucky? If the only thing they have is that you 'were wrong about Rwanda' ? Their defense then - for Islam - is pitiful!
Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred in India, Israel, Argentina, Peru, Japan, Russia, Holland, Bali, Singapore, Riyadh, Turkey, USA, Tibet, Spain, Iraq, Pakistan, England, Kenya, N. Ireland, Eurasia, Venezuela, East Timor, Kashmir, Colombia, Sri Lanka, and the Ukraine.
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