From IslamOnline, with thanks to Anthony:
CAIRO - A British council has presented resource packs covering the basic teachings of Islam to primary schools across the London borough of Harrow in an effort to provide a better understanding of the Muslim faith, according to a local daily."The new resources will help school staff further develop their approach to high quality teaching of Islam -- a religion that is far too often misunderstood," the Harrow Times Monday, June 27, quoted as saying Councilor Navin Shah, leader of Harrow borough Council, which has become the first to fully fund the teaching of Islam in primary schools.
The resource packs include books, artifacts, CDs, videos and teaching aids covering the basic Muslim beliefs and practices through interactive class projects.
Resources for secondary schools are also being developed and will be
available to schools across the borough, according to the paper.
The packs for primary schools were produced by the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), in partnership with the Department of Education and Skills."We believe education is the key to creating a vibrant and understanding society," MCB Secretary General, Iqbal Sacranie, told Harrow Times.
That's Sir Iqbal to you, buddy.
"These resources, developed by our team of educationalists,...
Iqbal, I believe the word you are searching for is "sensationalists."
...aim to support the teaching of Islam in schools by making available creative, engaging and child-friendly resources on Islam and Muslims.""We want to ensure that every school child in Britain has access to high quality Islamic resources through their schools," he added...
Yes, that's a high priority indeed. Would anyone be willing to donate copies of Islam Unveiled or Onward Muslim Soldiers to the Brits to further that end?
Remember: the MCB boycotted Holocaust remembrance ceremonies commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz. And now they are teaching British children about Islam.
How bizarre with UK secular zealotry being what it is --- they would NEVER tolerate or entertain the notion that Muslim students should be taught a little about the Christian underpinnings of their host nation -- Never !! But the blighty Muslims, who hail from the most broken cultures, and deplorable societies on earth (why else are they fleeing their Muslim dung heaps en masse?) feel a deep need to educate non-Muslims so they stop 'misunderstanding' Islam. Oh - I forgot -- the misunderstood religion of peace isn't the reason for all the bloodshed and mayhem -- it's the fault of the misunderstanders. I guess, when I consider it that way, it makes sense that the Brits would allow this Islamic sewage into their children's curriculum... in a post-modern there-is-no-objective-truth kind of way!
Unfortunatley the US has the separation of church and state clause in their constitution, so the public schools won't be able to fill our Idealistic, and easily influenced young childrens heads with what is called the religion of peace. Must be difficult to practice taquiya, and kitman when almost 60 percent of the Quran focuses on the duty of muslims to commit to jihad.
Does the common indigenous English person agree with these measures?
Where are the protests? Where is the outrage?
Someone please enlighten me.
Does the Harrow borough Council include a do-it-yourself clitoridectomy kit in it's material?
How do you present a engaging, child-friendly resource on subjects like....stoning for offending adults, female circumcision, slaughtering Mary's little lamb the halal way, and a creative way to explain to the children that if they are Christian or Jewish, the warm, friendly people who made up those Islamic kits will despise them forever and ever unless they convert to that peaceful religion. Or, are those subjects left out of the kits until the Muslim population in the UK comprises about 25% of the total population.
"Remember: the MCB boycotted Holocaust remembrance ceremonies commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz."
If there is anything more outrageous than the abysmal lack of empathy on the part of these organizations it's the mind boggling guillibility of the officials who accomodate them.
Maybe they can throw in suicide bomb belts, butcher knives, anthrax spores, box cutters, books on how to make explosives from fertilizer, and a red head scarf. Then you have the complete muslim kit.
GB=Animal Farm! The swine are in charge! The lunatics are running the asylum!
Is it really only us here on JW/DW LGF and a few others? Are we all alone in this? Unbelievable!
GB=Animal Farm! The swine are in charge! The lunatics are running the asylum!
Is it really only us here on JW/DW LGF and a few others? Are we all alone in this? Unbelievable!
I find this appalling. I cannot believe England's government is expediting their journey into dhimmitude. This is sad too, but I care about England while I don't care about France becoming islamisized. France is too late, and now England??
....How do you present a engaging, child-friendly resource on subjects like....stoning for offending adults, female circumcision, slaughtering Mary's little lamb the halal way, and a creative way to explain to the children that if they are Christian or Jewish, the warm, friendly people who made up those Islamic kits will despise them forever and ever unless they convert to that peaceful religion. Or, are those subjects left out of the kits until the Muslim population in the UK comprises about 25% of the total population.
Posted by: maryrose .....
That's the plan Mary!
How can a country survive when they are determined to hand the next generation over to the islamists? "Being nice" as William says, is killing western civilization. (Is it William?)
So if you go to school in England ( or the Harrow part of England) you have to learn about Islam?
What if you don't want to learn about Islam?
By the way, if kids fail in the Islam course, do they get beheaded?
Voltaire,
That is pretty much my question. What if the parents of these children don't want them to "learn" about Islam.
Is this initiative imposed upon them?
I am curious if any of our UK readers can comment on this?
Are there any UK parents reading this website who are affected?
Hmmm a "get to know islam kit".
If this were presented in the USA to any primary school, the outrage would be astounding. I would yank my precious child out of the public school system so fast, that my tax dollars would leave a smoking pile of rubbish as I took this case to the Supreme Courts. I would remove my child to a private non-secular school and/or home school him. Shame on the UK if they allow this to continue.
I'm sick of our Western appeasement of the same people who wish us AND our CHILDREN dead. BESLAN was the perfect example of the 'get to know islam kit'. The images of that day will be just as ingrained in me as the images of 9/11. We all know islam quite well, thankya very much.
SPEW!!!!
SexyKafira1,
Here is a link to ponder:
http://www.religionjournal.com/printerfriendly.asp?id=2722
I like the 'Beslan get-to-know-Islam-kit' idea. It should be easy to discredit the Muslims given the deplorable countries they hail from, their innumerable barbaric cultural practices, and the astoundingly plentiful examples of their violence, intolerance, and hatred. Why then are so many lulled into unconsciousness in this matter? I have had arguments with friends who are knee jerk pacifists and zealous secularist who should be very frightened by the menu of horrors Islam has to offer --nevertheless these same folks will argue violently against any condemnation of Islam -- DESPITE all the evidence that it goes against every thing they seem to advocate -- Some of my female friends are the most vociferous about defending Islam and denigrating the West and Christianity for Islamic transgressions -- I am astounded every time I hear this delusional BS -- what is going on? Leftist and Islamist disinformation just doesn't begin to explain the utterly bizarre willingness of many Westerners to bury their heads about fascist Islam -- Are they so terrorized already that they can't face the awful truth about this evil 'religion' of terror?
Reset wrote:
"Muslim population in the UK comprises about 25% of the total population."
That seems to be too high. If it were that high, there would be no Monarchy in the UK, Christians would be murdered like in Nigeria where 10% are muslim, and there would be strict sharia law.There would also be anarchy or perhaps civil war. Please tell me(us) what the true figure is.
Ummagumma, I think the real figure in the UK is %2.5 percent of the UK population are muslims.
The thing is that we have to bend over backwards for them while they are still a minority of the population, knowing full well that we will have to fight them when they reach a critical mass of the population.
What that percentage figure is, I don't know.
That's the scary part.
We have to play so much of this by ear.
Thanks, Skeet Street. I think I learned a little about the Coptics when they were brutally murdered in their apartment in NJ, complete with knive carved inscriptions left by islamic predators... A case that conspicously disappeared from all media. Even JW.
islam will die in the American streets. By way of riots after the jihadis dare... DARE to attack us again. The islamic Shameful beasts without brains will try it again. Then they'll know what its like to be beat by a woman. And, rightfully so.
LOL I did have one islamo call me on the phone and actually ask for my home address. It was quite the comical conversation. Needless to say I have an islamo hot head with a bead on me.
I have had arguments with friends who are knee jerk pacifists and zealous secularist who should be very frightened by the menu of horrors Islam has to offer --nevertheless these same folks will argue violently against any condemnation of Islam -- DESPITE all the evidence that it goes against every thing they seem to advocate -- Some of my female friends are the most vociferous about defending Islam and denigrating the West and Christianity for Islamic transgressions -- I am astounded every time I hear this delusional BS -- what is going on? Leftist and Islamist disinformation just doesn't begin to explain the utterly bizarre willingness of many Westerners to bury their heads about fascist Islam -- Are they so terrorized already that they can't face the awful truth about this evil 'religion' of terror?
Posted by: jsla at June 29, 2005 08:45 PM
JSLA: The horror of islam is too much for some to bear. Most think that we could not by any stretch ever be faced with another WWII. As so many said after it was over, "never again". Well, those 'never agains' are just burying the proverbial heads in the sand. It is here. It is real. It is now. It is bizzare, indeed. We have the agencies that were instituted after WWII waging 1/2 of this war against us (ACLU, etc) and some new sprouts like CAIR ( DC's favorite folks). What people fail to realize, is that our tax dollars pay for these assholes to exist.
Anyway, I digress. I count upon the 2nd amendment, my freedom of speech and my son's freedom that I must defend to my own death. I also get lots of laughs out of tormenting jihadi gas stations with business cards in bright flourescent orange and green backgrounds and black words that read WWW.JIHADWATCH.ORG and WWW.FAITH-FREEDOM.ORG. It's also kinda fun buying beer off these muslim males and being sure to touch their hands so they have to make double the wudu to allah for serving ME! An infidel!
Blesses to all
A clarification of my tongue in cheek comment. I surmised that the realities of Islam would not be in an child's Islamic studies kit until the Muslim population in the UK reached about 25%. I thought that when the Muslim population reached that high number, the kits would be forced on children by a High Muslim Council...or else, jihad in the schools..Actually, I would be interested in learning the true percentage of Muslims living now in the UK. It is probably not as high as the Muslims say..they always inflate their numbers.
jsla and sexy kafira:
I don't think fear explains the prevalence of pro-Islamic anti-Western sentiment among Western people. It might explain it for a few of them, but the vast majority have been learning to hate their own West for at least that last 50 years (if not longer) -- by sheer cultural osmosis, absorbing the ideas & feelings of a gigantic change in thought that has been occurring in the modern West.
This gigantic change of thought has lead from
pride in the West's enlightenment and progress
--> to
shame at the West's evil history and evil "oppression" of the non-Western Third World.
In the 20th century, before Islam was on the front burner of Western consciousness, we had already changed -- and it got worse with each passing decade. And that change in Zeitgeist now makes our dominant PC Leftists look to Islam as a shining light, an enlightened, tolerant, peaceful, "revolutionary" alternative to the Wicked West and its global Zionist capitalistic crass pop culture tentacles ensnaring and choking all the real culture out of the life of the world.
What I'm warning about is this: the "5th Column" has become the dominant architecture of the West, and we with our heads on straight represent only one column.
jsla and sexy kafira:
I don't think fear explains the prevalence of pro-Islamic anti-Western sentiment among Western people. It might explain it for a few of them, but the vast majority have been learning to hate their own West for at least that last 50 years (if not longer) -- by sheer cultural osmosis, absorbing the ideas & feelings of a gigantic change in thought that has been occurring in the modern West.
This gigantic change of thought has lead from
pride in the West's enlightenment and progress
--> to
shame at the West's evil history and evil "oppression" of the non-Western Third World.
In the 20th century, before Islam was on the front burner of Western consciousness, we had already changed -- and it got worse with each passing decade. And that change in Zeitgeist now makes our dominant PC Leftists look to Islam as a shining light, an enlightened, tolerant, peaceful, "revolutionary" alternative to the Wicked West and its global Zionist capitalistic crass pop culture tentacles ensnaring and choking all the real culture out of the life of the world.
What I'm warning about is this: the "5th Column" has become the dominant architecture of the West, and we with our heads on straight represent only one column.
Posted by: metaxy at June 29, 2005 10:37 PM
Metaxy: I'm more of a reader than a poster and I respect your writings all of the time. In this instance, I disagree with your analysis. We are living in a PC world right now. When I was a kid, if you got beat on the football or baseball field, you were a 'loser'. Ya lost. that was the end of it. In this new PC world, if you play softball or baseball or football, even if you team sucks to high hell, you're still "a winner"! You get a trophy just for competing! There are 'no losers'. Everyone and everything is 'okay and alright'. It's almost like we're all friggin hippies or something, smoking pot and dropping acid in the 70's. But it's SNOT!
We're at war. There will be a winner and there will be a loser. The war we fight is the ideology of islam. Not the muslims mind you... the war is with islam's ideology. islam must reform or it will be abolished, wiped out and obliterated from the Western portion of the Earth's civilization.
Remember Hitler? He had the same ideology as the pious muslims do. Eliminate the Jews. Eliminate all the blacks. Eliminate all that have brown eyes and hair. Eliminate all who do not believe what we believe.
We are facing a different form of Naziism because it is hidden under the cloak of a religion. A 'religion' that has been in the background, silent and under the radar for centuries.
It's baaaaaack.
I'm gonna fight.
Oops, Metaxy, I do need to respond separately to your post below:
jsla and sexy kafira:
I don't think fear explains the prevalence of pro-Islamic anti-Western sentiment among Western people. It might explain it for a few of them, but the vast majority have been learning to hate their own West for at least that last 50 years (if not longer) -- by sheer cultural osmosis, absorbing the ideas & feelings of a gigantic change in thought that has been occurring in the modern West.
You are correct.. by "absorbing the 'ideas and "FEELINGS" of the masses, we have inadvertently welcomed a new KKK. A new Nazi Party. Gay Marriage. Elimination of our entire Heritage as Americans.
Let me go into a refrain: Feelings.. oh woah woah feeeelings.. oh woah woah feeeelings... "
Enough with feelings. Geeze oh petes, what kind of feelings did our WWII guys face? Feelings of fear? Anger? Fate? Danger? Did they face any "whoa whoa feeeeelings? Whoa whoa whoa feeeelings"?
What have we become? The effing NATION OF NANCY'S?
Good gawd. Forgive my boldness tonight.
Thank you
P.S. Feeelings... woah woah woah feeeeeelings... woah woah woah KA EFFING BOOM!!!!
I guess my point is that one would imagine western women and secularists would be most disturbed by the reality of Islam, yet this is the sector that so relentlessly embraces a candy coated fantasy about Islam...
Yes, I understand the 'post modern' notions about 'colonialism' and the evils of capitalism... It also smells like the denial of marxists and trotskyites who always maintained it was unfair to criticize communism by examining Soviet or Chinese flaws because a true communist state had not yet been created. But why is this particular sector of our society expending such energy to put a fantasy version of Islam forward despite the huge volume of contradictory evidence? Where is their 'buy in'?
Communism was largely a western utopian construct -- but Islam is fundamentally alien. In addition, ALL of its manifestations at this point in history look abysmal, particularly when viewed through the feminist or secularist lens -- This is the part I don't get -- why would it get such a delusional whitewash from the people that have the most to fear from it??? It makes NO SENSE to me!
"LOL I did have one islamo call me on the phone and actually ask for my home address. It was quite the comical conversation. Needless to say I have an islamo hot head with a bead on me."
Do you think it is from posting at JW?
Be careful.
sexykafira,
you're right, we're living in a PC world: that's what worries me: people ready to fight (on any level, war of ideas, war of economics, war of policy, war of weapons) like us here are, I fear, either a minority, or still a "silent" majority.
what worries me the most is that the way we were when a Hitler (or even a little later in the late 40s and 50s, a backstabbing USSR) arose, we had a sane, rational, humane attitude about what we had to do, no matter how terrible (fire-bombing, and A-bombing if necessary hundreds of thousands of civilians, let's not flinch) against such a monstrous enemy as the Nazi Axis -- that attitude and resolve may not be with us anymore -- because of this new PC world.
jsla,
"where is their 'buy in'?"
Their buy in is precisely in an alternative to what they hate: they hate the West, and now here we have another civilization with a different economics (you'd be surprised how many Leftists romanticize the alternative to evil Capitalism which traditional Islam supposedly offers) and an anti-Western ideology: exactly what the Left hungers for after their former Utopianist and Communistic dreams collapsed in the late 80s.
"Communism was largely a western utopian construct -- but Islam is fundamentally alien."
Exactly what makes it attractive to idiotic Leftists.
Carolyn, I have no fear from posting at JW/DW. Although I do wonder where the F they get my unlisted # from. I'm a licensed and trained PI for 19 years and do a lot of work for various people and companies inside the US and UK, so I do get some wierd calls. I'm used to it.
When it sounds like a middle eastern male, I tend to play around little more than I normally do, because this is outside my normal line of business. Its fun, but this is the only reason I wonder about JW/DW postings. I post in many places and voice my female opinion. And, I have no fear, especially from some muslim male pussy threat. Fear will kill us all. islamic men prey on the perceived fear of women. These arab/muslim/isamic guys are total poos-wahs, trust me. Fraidy cats.
metaxy: What the hell are you so afraid of? I think maybe you're young or something (no offense of course) but dang you sound scared. Think about WWII. Think about how we watched as the world went to war, and we watched people die under hitler. It wasn't until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor that we let loose with full blown guns blazing and knocked out Japan, Liberated the European continent and began to rebuild. It took a few Atom bombs but we did it.. despite who was singing 'kumbaya' even the Kennedy's were around back then (Joe Kennedy)
Now, this war by islam against the west is a totally different thing. That's not to say that we won't fight this pig-dog with every god danged thing we've got WHEN THE TIME COMES.
And if Kerry wants to sing kumbaya, let's hope teresa isn't beating his ass with a bottle of ketchup.
sexykafira,
You don't understand what I'm saying.
I'm less afraid of the Muslims than I am of our own Western Leftists -- who dominate our culture and have changed our society & politics so radically since the 1940s that I don't think we could muster the same kind of unified resolve against an enemy as wicked as Hitler was.
We Canadians had to bend over backwards for a small minority which is less than 1%. And I mean not bend over forward to them, which our government has done.Our country just legalized gay marriage. The point I am trying to make is a tiny minority can be a huge influencial voting block. 1% is enough to coerce our governments to change the laws of our land. In Canada islam makes up about .5% of our total population. If that figure reaches 1%, they will have enough power to change the laws of our land including forcing the sharia law. BTW, gay marraige is not to far off in the United States.It WILL happen.
I favor legalizing gay marriage -- if only because I know that it makes Muslims livid with rage.
I favor legalizing gay marriage -- if only because I know that it makes Muslims livid with rage.
Somebody said: I don't think fear explains the prevalence of pro-Islamic anti-Western sentiment among Western people. It might explain it for a few of them, but the vast majority have been learning to hate their own West for at least that last 50 years (if not longer) -- by sheer cultural osmosis, absorbing the ideas & feelings of a gigantic change in thought that has been occurring in the modern West.
The last fifty years define the baby boom. The putative "pro-Islamic anti-Western sentiment among Western people" really dates from only thirty-some years ago when the boomers came of age. The phenomenon in Europe was different from that in the United States.
Here in the US, we boomers learned that our government was telling us out-and-out lies (think of J. Edgar Hoover, or the reports the Pentagon gave Lyndon Johnson about the prospects in Vietnam). Remember, this is the United States, where back in the 50s we were taught to revere our system of goverment, and believe everything those in high places said. There was a vast disillusionment. In the extremism of (powerless) youth, many of us gave America a failing grade, and looked elsewhere to find inspiration (another youthful extremism) -- Moscow or Beijing, occasionally Mecca, often an ashram in India, or simply a dream from a bong.
In Europe, class warfare was still in fashion. The loony Marxist left was in power in Britain and Danny the Red was leading the revolt in Paris. The Red Brigade was terrorizing Italy while the Bader-Meinhof gang was doing same in Germany. The Irish were having fun with Ian Paisley and the IRA and its various factions, while down in Spain ETA was working very hard to emerge from under the thumb of El Claudillo Francisco Franco. Unlike America, which only fought WWII, Europe suffered all the horrors of WWII right there in their own front yard. The baby boom children of post WWII also gave their parents' politics a failing grade as not being sufficiently anti-fascist. And Moscow was funding all this. In England the Beatles found the Maharishi Mahesh Yoga; Cat Stevens became Muslim; many others became street-fighting Leftists (as a fundamental contrast, American politics are rarely done in the streets).
In our generation, my generation -- us boomers -- we have gone from ill-behaved youth to becoming very responsible parents and happy-camper capitalists, and we are remaking America in our image. Only the old farts who never grew up (the Peter Pans among us) still spout the old slogans (tune in, turn on, drop out; then, after rehab, older old fart bromides).
Europe has its Peter Pans too. Marxism is dead and buried and therefore there is a secondary great disillusionment.
What's different about Europe, and indeed, the rest of the world, is anti-Americanism. Here, we have to be Christian about it. There are a lot of us, and we occupy a humongous amount of highly productive real-estate. And of course, we represent 25% of the gross world product, even tho' we're only 5% of its population (we are rich, greedy sons-of-bitches, aren't we).
The Europeans have a lot in common with us, and ultimately, are our best allies. But Europe is disunited, notwithstanding the EU, and as Speaker Tip O'Neal wisely opined, 'all politics is local'. What we Americans perceive as European stupidity is mostly local politics: one always panders to the lowest common denominator, rather much like the neo-pagan Republican right does currently.
It is very hard to rise above local politics, but some manage to do so.
The Eurabian phenomenon is local politics combined with anti-Americanism and the need for cheap off-the-books labor (the illegal immigrant/nannygate phenomenon). Even Israel is addicted to cheap Muslim labor.
As a liberal, I agree with Jesus at Luke 10:7b that
the labourer is worthy of his hire.
But selfish economics get in the way of this. Eurabia is all about cheap labor. They are a considerable number of whackos there, but most of them only want to get ahead and support their kids.
And it'll be the selfish self-interest that gets us out of the bog, even tho' the jihadists will do many terrible things in the meantime.
I have the postmillennial hope. We will eventually build our city upon the hill. Yeah, it will be the New Jerusalem. This is the Calvinist doctrine of the perseverence of the saints (the P in the TULIP).
Boy, is it ever hard to forget my Christian upbringing and education.
The way to teach islam is to teach our children the ghastly, uncensored truth. Show video of beheadings, show suicide bombing footage, educate them about dhimmitude, sharia, and jihad. If our youth grew up with the unfiltered, raw facts about islam we would breed a generation ready to rip out the moslem throats.
The problem of course is that just the opposite is true. Instead of our kids learning to loathe and fear the moslems they are being given dhimmitude 101. That is what Metaxy means by the Left being even more dangerous than the right: They are deprogramming our natural, healthy revulsion to the horrific, to the repugnant and to the depraved. We are inherently aware that suicide bombing busloads of children is an atrocity, is inhumane, but the Left is trying to deprogram the hard drive, replace it with PC blather and confusion, which creates the self-loathing liberal zombies we see wandering around university campuses defending the moslems and blaming America and the Jews for terrorism.
This Unholy Alliance, as David Horowitz outlines so clearly, between islam and the Left is a relationship of enablement. There is no way moslems could ever get away with these unspeakable crimes throughout the world if not for the liberal enablers educating us that up is down, down is up, right is wrong and wrong is right.
So, the blame is on the islam, no question there, but the Left is guilty of giving this monster the keys to the freedom to run wild without ramifications. For that, they deserve nothing but contempt and we must wise up and throw these bums out while we still have a world to live in.
-MZ
So, the blame is on the islam, no question there, but the Left is guilty of giving this monster the keys to the freedom to run wild without ramifications
No, Mad Zionist. Rather they are playing by our rules. The West has won, but we still want cheap Muslim labor so we put up with their theatrics. It's an addiction. The West needs to go into rehab.
Metaxy: I favor legalizing gay marriage -- if only because I know that it makes Muslims livid with rage.
A bit of canon law that illumiates the difference between 'licity' and 'validity'.
What is marriage? Historically, is is a religious contract, of which certain portions are enforceable in civil courts.
In the 19th century, it became advisable to register marriages civilly (church records in protestant churches had the possibility of disappearing, as did Catholic parish records in the French Revolution). Somewhat later, the fact that it took an ordained person to create a marriage got looked at; civil marriage came into being.
In the meantime, there was always bigamy. What is the crime of bigamy? The crime of bigamy is being validly married to more than one person at the same time. The point is that the marriage is valid. The innocent partner is validly, lawfully non-fornicationally married; she lost her cherry in holy wedlock and bears no sin, no civil penalty. But her hubby is the wicked one, he has illicitly (i.e., unlawfully) married another wife.
Western law recognizes bigamous marriages as real marriages, but makes it a crime to be married to more than one person at once. The innocent one is allowed an immediate annulment. And any child of such a marriage is of course legitimate -- her mother and father were married, after all.
Do not expect the British people to do anything to counter this, the only people who bother going onto the streets and complaining are the lefties and they are part of the problem in regards to this. The only time I saw a non-leftie demonstration with the exception of the BNP was the Hunt supporters.
The average middle class Brit will get annoyed at this, but like me they will take time to educate their children at the appropriate time when the children will understand the difference between a religion and an ideology.
Madzionist, it is an unholy alliance, the two councils implementing this so far are left-wing councils. I don't expect this to get any agreement in Tory controlled boroughs. By the way can you explain what you meant on your earlier post, I am still perplexed :-)
Harrow is leftie-liberal and is adjacent to Brent which is real leftie looney area.
This might help, notice the use of S.Asians as a term and they make up 29.60%
http://www.answers.com/topic/london-borough-of-harrow
I used to live in Havering, note the percentage of whites 95.2% and its conservative, don't expect this twaddle to get taught there...
My church has a very energetic youth worker. She goes into all the schools in the borough including the 6th form colege where there is a thriving Christian group. We are soon to appoint a Church Army (best known for Terry Waite) who is expected to perform a similar task for the junior schools.
The dangers of having Islam taught to children is recognised, I will repeat one of the items from the Church Times which I posted on Saturdays threads.
The Vicar was refused permission to take assembly at the community school because he was told that Muslims are trying to proselytise and would not be able to be excluded if the Vicar was allowed to take assemblies.
Bradford.
It's a shame that the time difference meant that there have been dozens of North American posts before we saw this in the UK. I would point out to you that while we do have to contend with the MCB you have allowed CAIR to operate within in your country. I understand that CAIR has been known to report those who write to them in protest to their employers, should they be using work e-mail. Apart from this site perhaps you would like to share with us what you are doing to counter CAIR? As I said above my church is increasing it's youth work.
Daffersd - "its conservative, don't expect this twaddle to get taught there..."
You're not wrong mate!!!!
That should have read "We are soon to appoint a Church Army children's worker who..."
That's what comes of trying to type while simutaneously eating breakfast in the peace after the off to school rush.
I'm less afraid of the Muslims than I am of our own Western Leftists -- who dominate our culture and have changed our society & politics so radically since the 1940s that I don't think we could muster the same kind of unified resolve against an enemy as wicked as Hitler was.
Very true - the Muslims are too backward and incompetent to win unless we let them. But this PC nonsense means that we're sleepwalking into Eurabia.
I'm less afraid of the Muslims than I am of our own Western Leftists -- who dominate our culture and have changed our society & politics so radically since the 1940s that I don't think we could muster the same kind of unified resolve against an enemy as wicked as Hitler was.
Very true - the Muslims are too backward and incompetent to win unless we let them. But this PC nonsense means that we're sleepwalking into Eurabia.
This is an utter outrage.
Harrow has a large Hindu and Sikh population, why dont you see them scrambling to send 'education packs' to schools about their religion?
This is the most sinister and odious aspect of life in modern Britain, how Islamic propaganda is retailed as 'tolerance', 'education' and 'equality'.
It is a neo-Orwellian double-speak farce!
This is an utter outrage.
Harrow has a large Hindu and Sikh population, why dont you see them scrambling to send 'education packs' to schools about their religion?
This is the most sinister and odious aspect of life in modern Britain, how Islamic propaganda is retailed as 'tolerance', 'education' and 'equality'.
It is a neo-Orwellian double-speak farce!
Comment piece from this weeks Spectator magazine
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What is hate?
If this Labour government deserves to be remembered for anything at all, it will be for the systematic stamping out of freedoms that have been enjoyed in this country for centuries. Smoking in public is now all but certain to be banned. Habeas corpus has been curtailed by Charles Clarke’s grotesque ‘control orders’. This week in Parliament, Labour simultaneously announced the abridgement of the right to trial by jury, and forced through an almost mediaeval erosion of free speech, in the form of the ban on incitement to ‘religious hatred’. This is a contemptibly bad measure, which has nothing to do with the needs of criminal justice, and everything to do with politics. It is the result of Labour’s pathetic pre-electoral attempt to appease an alienated Muslim community by offering a new protection against ‘Islamophobia’, and it is therefore part of the continuing price we are all paying, in loss of civil liberties, for the Iraq war.
The prevalence of Islamophobia has been much exaggerated, as the EU found when it commissioned a report into the subject in the months after 11 September 2001. Having discovered only a handful of incidents, the report’s author, Chris Allen, himself concluded, ‘There were very few serious attacks, and Islamophobia manifested itself in quite basic and low-level ways.’ The picture has not changed much since then. Race and communal relations are in general far better than they were in, say, the 1970s or 1980s, and in so far as there is a problem of religiously inspired attacks, they are amply covered by existing statute. Not only are there all sorts of prohibitions against all manner of incitements, including the incitement to racial hatred, but we already have a law against the offence of ‘religious aggravation’. The 1986 Public Order Act was amended in 1998 so that a person commits an offence if he displays any writing, sign, or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive or insulting, within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused embarrassment, alarm or distress. The offence may be committed in a public or a private place. That is pretty draconian. What hate-inspiring speech or action is not already covered?
It is impossible to tell, since ministers are incapable of offering a single concrete example of what they have in mind to ban, nor are they able to define hatred, nor are they able to define a religion. If we take the Bill literally, the offence of incitement to religious hatred is committed if we say or do things which inspire hatred of people who practise a certain religion, when we could reasonably know that this might be the reaction. There is, first, the point of principle. Is it always wrong to try to inspire hatred of another religion? Satanists, Necromancers, Voodoo maniacs, Scientologists: must criticism of them or their mores be protected by law? It is nonsense to pretend that this is somehow the logical extension of laws against incitement to racial hatred. Our race is in our genes; religion is a matter of choice and conscience and belief. If a religion is worth believing in, it ought to be strong enough to withstand the most scurrilous and monstrous attacks. If a religion is worth believing in, then those assaults should diminish the critics, and not the religion itself.
Whether or not a religion is worth believing in, it is the inalienable right of every human being to say what he or she thinks of it, and since this Bill is intended to offer protection to Muslims, it is worth pointing out that the Koran is particularly vicious in its condemnation of other religions and their practitioners. If the Bill makes any sense at all, it must entail the banning of the public reading of the many passages calling for Jews and Christians to be despised and killed — which is absurd and paradoxical, given that the measure is intended to be a protection against Islamophobia.
If it does not mean such a ban, then the Bill is nonsense and should be scrapped. If we say that this Bill would not have any force against such blatant incitements, and if we say that we will all be able to continue to insult each other’s religions, and that the Attorney-General would never dream of actually using this piece of law, then that in itself will be counterproductive, because its very existence on the statute book may provoke disorder and unrest from those who believe it should be vigorously enforced. In other words, this Bill is either going to encourage censorship and self-censorship, which is abhorrent. Or else it is going to raise false hopes, and inflame even further the resentment of those who feel that their religion has been insulted.
It is impossible to make an adequate distinction between the freedom to satirise, ridicule or lampoon religion, and the freedom to hold it up to contempt and hatred. People have died for the freedom to say what they want about religion. It was one of the charges against Socrates. It beggars belief that we should be trying to inhibit that freedom today.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?id=6296&page=1
Mackie:
Islam is already in our U.S. public schools....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004025.php
Dawa at work....
Granny Weathermax,
I am happy to see that the Islamic proselytising is being countered.
I would be interested to get hold of this information being used in Harrow, is there any way we can do this?
Zico, the Spectator hit the spot totally, I seem to remember it as being left wing in the past, am I correct on this, if so its doubly good.
A friend of my folks is a Christian Pastor in Australia.
He has a young child in Primary School, Queensland. When learning about Islam in class, the non muslim teacher got all the students to recite the pillars of Islam.
They then "practiced" pushing their foreheads down and their bums up towards Mecca.
This Pastors kid was young, but old enough to be horrified, at how this teacher was religiously leading these kids IN A STATE school.
The father was outraged. Not only over his child, but also over the "curry" the school gave to Christians trying to teach in Religious education (a separate class to the mainstream cirriculum). Yet the same standard is not applied to Islam.
This to me was an excellent example of how the left has pervaded our educational systems.
Whoever controls the education of the kids, controls the future.
The socialists know it, the Islamists know it, Hitler knew it - as does any "great" dictator.
The government, from all sides of politics should be condeming what is going on in this educational institution - especially if it is in a State school.
Maybe students should be shown a balanced view of Islam, like the Peace Lovers sawing off heads in Iraq - especialy that of the US Jewsih guy early on in the kidnappings. And maybe they should also be taught which idealogy, on the whole, stood side by side with Aldof in WW2 - ISLAM.
We are creating the conditions of mass murder of our own, via our own apathy.
Not only over his child - should read
Not only over his child's abuse
sorry - late night!
"I would be interested to get hold of this information being used in Harrow, is there any way we can do this?"
Daffersd, living out the otherside as I do I don't have any immediate connections in Harrow. But I'll give it some thought. If one of us can get a copy we would need to contact each other off site. I know Susan was willing to be the exchanging post for our private names and addresses some time ago. Is she she still assisting in that way, and if so what e-mail address does she currently use for it?
Zico That's a very good article. Thank you for copying it.
Granny Weathermax,
I had a friend living in Harrow who has some young children, though I lost his contact details when I failed to partition my hard drive and the backup did not work :-( I will try to locate him, he might no longer live there though.
I have not deposited my actual email with anyone, but am willing to do so, as I think that like minded people need to get organised. So if Susan could explain how we go about this I would appreciate it.
3X:
This is what my daughter has to face now in a QLD university!
Da'wa, apologizers, twisters, obfuscators, beautifiers and relativizers of Islam!
"Women are more equal in Islam" etc.
"What have they done to you....?"
"Why do you hate them...?
"Islam is a beautiful religion..."
Ummagumma-
Just got my 'kit', and tore it open in excitement.
It includes:
1 kg. of semtex putty, 2 yards of insulated wire, a pack of detonator caps, a dismantled cellphone for the 'trigger', two rolls of silver duct tape and 2 kgs. of shiny new ball-bearings. (And a handy note in Arabic: SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.)
Wow! Can't wait to show my 'understanding'!
BTW-
The counter 'kit'[man?] idea ---showing the 'glories of on-the-march militant Islam' - Beslan, et al, is a worthwhile tactic for the English posters here to insist on. To make sure that their government also provides balance, -if they push through this one-sided scholastic idiocy.
Don't want to only tell half the story, now do we?
Daffersd
I have been looking at the MCB website in case the pack was available to download. http://www.mcb.org.uk/home.php here is a new article on this business in Harrow, and their first project to this type in Stockport Cheadle last month. There are no factsheets available through their library page at the moment. I wonder why not? Reading their stories, they call it "Books for Schools", it sounds like literature and teaching aids given to schools for use by ther teachers rather than a handout for the children. Which might make it harder to get hold of. If it's published books presented for the library then all we need is a list of them.
OT but also on the home page was a advert and link to a printable poster for the Tower Hamlets Community Fair. With a womens area, talks and live Nasheed. A nasheed is a sung praise of Mo and Allah using voice only, no haram instrumentation. My father's family came from Bethnal Green in LB Tower Hamlets. I dread to think what my Nan would have said about a womens area and nasheed. My uncle's performance of East End pub favourites sounds wonderful in retrospect.
Jawa:
I have re-read the noted article on Dawa in public schools, however it only reflects a manipulative way to worm its way into the public grammar school system. I can see no way that this can be achieved except for the possible failure of some school administrators to recognize a clear infringment on the separation of church and state. Some schools have gone as far as not even allowing children to wear a necklace that has a cross on it in a public school which in my estimation is going way over the edge on what is, and is not reasonable.
Regards Mackie
Loxias,
Your response to me about the dominance of the PC Left implies that in the US it all began with the 60s. However, I think it's more complex and deeper than that. The 60s ferment didn't just drop from the blue sky: it had prior roots, which can be traced back to the remarkable hold that various Utopianisms and Socialisms had upon Americans in the first half of the 20th century, as well as the cultural and psychological dislocations caused by WWI and the Depression.
Also, there were movements and shifts in consciousness which America had in common with Europe in the 19th century, and then further back to the 18th century, etc. America was not (and is not) isolated from the rest of the West, though of course it has had idiosyncratic features and qualities (both good and bad) not shared by Europe.
It is the entire West that has succumbed to the Leftist PC pathology -- for a host of complex reasons that, as I said, can be traced back at least 300 years. If this were not so, a historically momentary flare-up like the 60s would not have had the enormous power it continues to have to shape our psychologies, culture and public policy as it does: multi-culturalism would not have become the absolute DOMINANT paradigm for the West as it has tragically become.
Mackie:
Possible failure? If the more senior levels of Brit academe are as ardently Arabist in their sentiments as they are, what do you think the chances are of this being reflected at lower levels. A cross or a Mogen David, they would object to as in conflict with a secular, inclusive environment, but the same idiots who would object to that would make all sorts of allowances for teaching the children about a yet exotic, romanticised culture.
I am glad to see this particular JW posting getting so much attention -- especially now that the Brits are starting to weigh in... Glad to see Albion hasn't completely lost her mind...
I was also struck by Zico's post above wherein Muslims are always able to turn everything into a form of Islamic victimology which places gullible Westerners on the defensive no matter what the facts. This seems to be the way they further their Islamist agenda bit by bit.
I still feel one of the most repugnant aspects about the aftermath of 9/11 was the way EVERY MUSLIM SPEAKER in America transformed the vile Islamic rape of NY into an anti-Muslim "backlash" despite the fact that such never materialized. After Muslim mouthpieces screamed that they were under attack, we were treated to stern warnings by Senators and even the President to stop the "Islamophobia" -- After the fact, when investigations proved that the "Islamophobia" consisted of little more than dirty looks from Americans, the Muslims nevertheless continued to distort 9/11 into an indictment of America, and the maltreatment of Muslims in America. Sadly the media, and especially the media in Europe has run with this grotesque distortion, and now the "desecration of the koran" or a little sleep deprivation is depicted as being more heinous and despicable than stories about fervent humble Muslims slaughtering children and chopping heads to honor Allah...
This initial and jarring Islamic manipulation of 9/11, and outrageous distortion of victimology which happened within hours of the atrocity makes me wonder if Muslims had some wider knowledge that something like this was in the offing... They certainly were prepared for an all out PR blitz, and I am outraged that they seemed to be extremely successful... I disagree that they are incompetent as someone alleges above...
Clearly they are NOT a normal immigrant constituency -- they are NOT going to become more moderate in their views -- Given their unwillingness to turn in terrorists among their populations, and their continuing canards about "Islamophobia" I must conclude THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE WEST... Sadly, due to the political correctness of our age, all such conclusions are instantly dismissed by otherwise sane persons as bigotry... If another megaterror event occurs, we will not be so forgiving or tolerant of this inimical seditious population -- at the very least I hope we don't allow them to place us on the defensive as they did so easily after 9/11. Blowback goes in both directions after all, and I think they have far more to fear from an awakened hostile west than we do from the already awakened hostile Islamic revival... They're already lobbing their best shots at us, and we have not yet begun to hit back, really....
Metaxy:
Don't overlook the influence the Communists had via Hollywood in the 30s, 40s and 50s on shaping the mindset of the 60s generation. Ron Radosh and his partner have recently published a book on the Stalinist influence via Hollywood's writers, actors and directors and drew much of their research from Dalton Trumbo's personal papers wherein Trumbo exposed the sad truth that McCarthy, although a splenetic maniac, was quite right. Moscow was influencing American public opinion through members of the American Communist Party.
Hmm ...
** thinks ** ...
"5th column" ? ...
"5 pillars (of Islam)" ? ...
(Aussie) DOG !!
Yes indeed, waterdragon. But let's consider that Communism could not have gained as much of a foothold in the US beginning even earlier than the 30s, had there not already been some pathology developing in the broader Western culture of which America was (and continues to be) a part.
The Communist ideal was just a vehicle, not the pathogen itself. Now we have among millions of Western Leftists, after the collapse of Soviet Communism, a more amorphous nebula of vague anti-American anti-Capitalistic anti-Western (and let's not forget the always appended anti-Zionist) sentiments which are increasingly showing signs of moving from a general defense of Islam to a more positive embrace of Islam as an authentic "revolutionary" alternative to the evil Western systems.
It won't be long until Noam Chomsky formally candidly (but, as ever, elliptically) admits that he and bin Laden are comrades on the same page.
Mackie:
These articles are more specific. California public schools are indeed promoting islam...having children take muslim names, recite the 5 pillars of islam, etc....Other states involved too.
For your reference:
California:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11132
Herndon, VA
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15593
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16094
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