Islam Q & A: Those who defame the Prophet should be executed

What a response! Couldn't he had just said - yes, go kick his a** and be done with it! Whew! Now I know why these people just don't advance, it's nuts.

SPQR, the address we use to get hold of other JW's is Susan_b356@yahoo.com
The person has the option of responding or not, but Susan is the one to contact with videos.

YEA I REMEMBER THE VIDEO OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND THE TAXI CAB DRIVER AFETR THEY KILLED VAN GOGH SAID HE DISERVED IT BECAUSE HE DEFAMED MO-HAM-OD!!!

FORGOT THE LINK??

ANY ONE STILL HAVE IT??

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Here is a question from another site...

When a sufficient number of Americans can answer the following question, we will be on the road to protecting ourselves from Islam: What kind of religion causes people to think that terrorizing, mutilating, and murdering is a good thing to do?

Murder is sanctioned by their god, as is rape, lying and stealing from kufr (that's you and me).

SPQR, you mean this one?

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=45726&type=1&page=1&fav=0

~"Defaming the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is a kind of kufr [unbelief]. If that is done by a Muslim then it is apostasy on his part, and the authorities have to defend the cause of Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by executing the one who defamed him."~

With the above clarification of islamic law, does anyone honestly believe it is possible to have a world in which islam has a positive or acceptable role? Clearly islam must be obliterated.

We certainly cannot succeed by playing nice like the do-gooders would have it. We must utterly flatten them with overwhelming force or face being flattened ourselves.

In some sense, I feel this is a test: Do we have sufficient faith in God that we are willing to use the superior forces we've been blessed with to stand up to pure evil? Or, will we be filled with fears and doubts that prevent us from acting strongly in the face of this vile beast.

We must have the courage of our convictions to do what must be done. We must strike this creature at its heart, the Koran, rather than picking off peripheral boogey men for our temporary satisfaction.

Well, it looks like everyone who posts on this web site is on the execution list. Oh no, what ever shall will we do.....

WHY THE BORDERS MATTER??

http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsreleases/articles/050607philadelphia.htm
ICE DEPORTS SALVADORAN MAN CONVICTED OF ATTEMPTED RAPE OF 12- YEAR-OLD GIRL
PHILADELPHIA, Pa. – A man convicted of second degree attempted rape of a 12-year-old girl was deported to El Salvador Friday by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers.
On December 22, 2003, Jose Anibal Pena-Echevarria, then 22, was arrested by local law enforcement and charged with rape after having sexual intercourse with a 12-year-old girl. On May 24, 2004 he plead guilty to attempted rape in the 2nd degree and was sentenced to 10 years probation. He was also registered as a level-one sex offender.
On March 29, 2005, ICE agents arrested Pena-Echevarria on immigration charges in Nassau County, NY, as part of Operation Predator. He was subsequently detained in Pike County, Pa. Pena-Echevarria originally entered the country illegally along the Arizona/Mexico border in July 1998.

I AM SICK OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE SO HARD WORKING YEA THIS GUY RAPED A LITTLE GIRL I'M SURE THAT WAS HARD WORK??

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PS
YOU WOULD THINK THE GUY WOULD HAVE CLEANED THE TOLIT FRIST ON 2ND THOUGHT??

We need to somehow create some apparatus to help Muslims leave their religion, in mass, then record all the fatwas that will follow, which will make the defenders of Islam look pathetic. And have these apostates tell their sad stories about how humiliating Islam is, and keep forcing these stories down the media's throat until the NY TIMES and CNN must report on these apostates.

Without sounding too much like a marketer, why not trying to make "Leaving Islam" seem cool, hip, almost fashionable. Think if we can get hundreds, then thousands of American Muslim youth to leave Islam? Then there would be this domino effect, that hits older generation, and also hopefully Europe. It would be too big of a story for the "mainstream media" to ignore.

It does no good when the War on Terror hits a critical junture in America(as it is in Eurabia)if all we do it bitch and kvetch about Islam on the internet.

Islam Fears Apostates

We kafirs need to become more pro-active in helping rid America and the world of Islam.

Muslims are pathetic. Follow a loser cult with a loser leader, and you end up a loser Oh Moohamsee - peepee upon him, leader of the losers.

What constitutes defamation in the Muslim view? Surely it cannot be defined as daring to pass on, without more, the contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira -- for that is exactly what Muslims supposedly wish Infidels to find out about (of course, they don't really -- they wish to delay that as long as possible, among as many people as possible, but instead to substitute a highly-sanitized and truncated version of the faith, until converts are won and it becomes, for them, too late).

Why shouldn't we all find out about the acts and sayings of Muhammad in the Hadith, the events of Muhammad's life as recorded in the Sira? We are not obliged to have precisely the same view as Muslims do; we may have a different reaction to the killing of Asma bint Marwan, for example, or of the prisoners of the Banu Qurayza. Is that "defamation" if we do not passively accept exactly the view of these matters that Muslims insist is the correct view?

Here is a nice demonstration of the kind of thought-control that helps to explain the backwardness of Muslim lands -- the complte refusal to permit free and skeptical inquiry, which begins with the all-pervasive belief-system of Islam, and naturally causes those who grow up in such a system to acquire habits of mind that are very far from what Western man has acquired, and that help to explain our scientific superiority, as well as the other kinds. The habit of mental submission, of uncritical and slavish obedience to those who command, or threaten, surely has had its consequences over the past 1350 years, but especially in the last thousand years, ever since, in the MIddle East, the Christians and Jews as a still-vibrant and fructifying force died out, and with them, the so-called "Islamic" science about which such exaggerated claims are made (for a good example, see the interview with one Stephen Schwartz at www.frontpage.org, where he repeats the usual story about the great achievements of Muslim science -- he appears not to have read any of the many modern histories of science that put that little claim in proper perspective).

We are under no obligation to mimic Muslims. We can take the raw material, and pass judgment on it ourselves. This is not Saudi Arabia. Indeed, the entire contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and even Sira are just a click away (www.usc.edu can get you started) and there are all sorts of articles at various independent websites such as www.faithfreedom.org, that offer analyses of some of the features of Islam and Muhammad with which Infidels may be unacquainted, and that very unacquaintance makes them more susceptible to Muslim propaganda and less able to present, coherently, the real as opposed to the benign Islam that the vast army of apologists for Islam has, to date, been allowed virtually unopposed to present.

Apparently it is not yet a crime, all over the Western (i.e., Infidel world) to urge anyone to harming (i.e.., executing) apostates and others. This must be corrected and those making such threats should be arrested and ideally, simply deported to Muslim lands or if they managed to obtain citizenship, that citizenship should be stripped (it is possible to strip citizenship for all sorts of reasons -- we have only to decide, for example, that someone who makes such threats must perforce have committed perjury in swearing allegiance, for example, to the United States and its Constitution during the citizenship proceedings. Citizenship is not like tenure -- something you have forever, no matter what you do. It is important for that to be made clear, and that may take a large number of noisy cases, and well-publicized deportations, back to some rather unpleasant places.

As far as apostates go, people are free to believe or not to believe in Infidel lands, and others are not free to impose their alien creed, alien and hostile, simply because they happen to be here, or are enforcing, in their view, a Muslim punishment on other Muslims who have dared to defect.

It should not be beyond the wit of Congress to pass legislation to make sure that no one can with impunity offer such advice -- this is incitement to murder, and the Brandenburg Test (Brandenburg v. Ohio) will have to be revised so that the "incitement" to immediate violence is changed to allow for a slightly longer period. This, too, can be covered by first passing a law, then quickly applying it, then having an actual case appealed (it would be a Muslim helpfully appealing, of course). Let's get on with making both the laws, and the Constitutional doctrine, fit for the new and unprecedented situation.

Those who see nothing wrong with Great Britain, for example, possibly passing legislation that would punish people for expressing views on various belief-systems, should think again -- do they want the government of Great Britain to be an enforcer of Muslim attempts to stymie all efforts to discuss, or subject to critical analysis, the belief-system of Islam? If that were to occur, then the already vast efforts underway, by a small army of apologists (both Muslim and non-Muslim) would find the Infidel governments doing their work for them.

Is that what Infidels would wish? Do we not wish, rather, to work to ensure that more Infidels become well-acquainted with the contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, so that they may not be bamboozled, or fooled into the easy propaganda that, until now, has gone virtually unopposed and unanswered.

Again, more legislation is needed -- not to punish those who "criticize" a religion (or a belief-system) but those who utter threats against those who take the First Amendment seriously, and believe that anyone, at any time, and for any reason, may subject any belief-system to critical scrutiny and discussion. But the current Brandenburg test for the punishment of certain kinds of speech -- only that which constitutes "incitement to imminent lawless violence," must be changed to take account of the likelihood (see Pim Fortuyn, see Theo van Gogh) and the gravity of the "lawless violence" while taking away the requirement of the "imminence" of the threat, or at least giving it a much more ample interpretation than heretofore.

Nuh:
Great suggestion! Nicely put. And very very true.

Leveller:
*LOL!*

Oh silly me, I thought they actually believed in Freedom of Speech, just like they do in the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Parts of Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any other "peace loving nation" you care to mention.

Not to fear, no doubt these guys on "Islam Q&A" are just a tiny minority, just like there is a "tiny minority" in the millions of people that follow the clerics in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia Sudan Kuwait, etc etc etc.

Just another "tiny minority".....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159182,00.html
Jordan Gives Zarqawi 10 Days to Surrender
Friday, June 10, 2005

AMMAN, Jordan — Jordan's military court has ordered the Jordanian-born leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi (search), and another suspected terrorist to surrender within 10 days to face charges of plotting deadly attacks.
Zarqawi and alleged coconspirator Mohammed Qteishat (search) are charged with plotting terrorist attacks in Jordan that killed one person. The court's announcement did not provide further details.

WHAT IF HE DOESN'T WILL IT MAKE THE KING LOOK WIMPY????????

IRAQ TODAY SAID 12,000 IRAQIS KILLED BY ISLAMIC TERRORIST LEAD BY THIS GUY?? AND OTHERS LIKE SADER WHAT WILL IRAQ DO MAYBE NOT PUT THEIR PIPE LINE THOUGH JORDAN??

NOW THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE KING WHO HAS NOTHING TO EXPORT BUT PALISS TERRORIST??

YES ISRAEL BUILD THE WALL MAKE THE ARABS TAKE CARE OF THE MONSTERS THEY HAVE RAISED WE WILL SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THEM TO FOLD????

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PS
as the world turns the MSM is in calf waiting for mikie???

MSM JUST DOESN'T GET IT THEY HAVE BASHED AMERICA SO MUCH THE YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PROTECT THEM AND THEIR FAT ASSES NOW WHOS YOUR DADDY??

Hugh wrote....Those who see nothing wrong with Great Britain, for example, possibly passing legislation that would punish people for expressing views on various belief-systems, should think again -- do they want the government of Great Britain to be an enforcer of Muslim attempts to stymie all efforts to discuss, or subject to critical analysis, the belief-system of Islam? If that were to occur, then the already vast efforts underway, by a small army of apologists (both Muslim and non-Muslim) would find the Infidel governments doing their work for them. ..

Hugh,

The real catch in GB is who is to decide and how a defamation occur. Can you criticize 'nicely' and be safe, or can be politically incorrect, and still escape punishment? Will they have Muslim consultants hired by the state to help the dhimmi government determine if a criticism is 'too harsh.' The whole idea is absurd and yet the dhimmis push the legislation. Good dhimmi, good. Go fetch your bone.

Europe is dying because of Islam. Free speech has died and is dying in the State of Victoria in Australia. The day one municipality passes similar statutes against learning about Islam or criticizing Islam or any ideology is the day America begins to die. We must not allow that to happen.

"...then the Muslim has to do whatever he can, so long as that will not lead to further mischief and harm against other people."

I.e., if the Muslim officials don't kill the blasphemer, then it's up to rank-and-file Muslims to do the job -- but be sure to do it without making people think it's a general Muslim problem -- keep the infidels thinking it's only a tiny minority of religious "extremists"...

If it werent so sad and dangerous that entire site would be a laugh. When people have their lives micromanaged by their "holy" book and the "scholars" that interpret it right down to what they do in the bathroom....we can only expect a mindless group of brainwashed cult members to emerge.

I guess the message is: Don't insult satan or his prophet, mo. If you do, then Satan/allah's gonna git ya... and if allah don't git ya, then the mosque members will... and if the mosque members don't git ya then your muslim neighbors will.

When are we going to wake up and realize that we're dealing with a CULT not a 'religion'?

Fer crisakes!

These people are not nuts. They are INSANE. One of these days the rest of the world will wake up and realize that there is no way to live with these crazies. Something has to be done before they obtain the means to carry out their murderous intent.

Islam the religion of peace... PULEASE!!

here is a new audio from the pastors at CTFM
the victims of speaking the truth
you should be able to load videos directly to my server SPQR if you feel like it
http://kafirnation.com
knwlegbase/file upload

http://infidels.kafirnation.com/Alan%20Jones%20Show%203rd%20June%202005.mp3

MY HEART IS BREAKING THE STATEDEPARTMENT DID NOT ASSIST THIS PROUD MAN I REMEMBER HIM AT THE UN WILLING TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM AND NOW THE MULSUMS HAVE TAKEN HIS COUNTRY WHILE THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE PLAYED GAMES!!!

IT IS A SAD DAY WHERE WAS BUSH WE STAND WITH OUR FRIENDS??

NO WHERE WAS HE??

CITY A MONTH SEIDE??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126200,00.html

Bolivians Vote to Export Natural Gas
Monday, July 19, 2004

LA PAZ, Bolivia — Bolivians voted Sunday in favor of exporting the nation's vast natural gas resources, exit polls showed, giving a boost to a president seeking to quell simmering social unrest that threatens to fracture South America's poorest country.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159129,00.html
New Bolivian President Vows Early Elections
Friday, June 10, 2005

SUCRE, Bolivia — Bolivia's (search) new president pledged Friday to call early elections and take other steps to calm a country paralyzed by weeks of opposition protests that forced his U.S.-backed predecessor to resign.
Tensions eased somewhat Friday after a key protest leader declared a "truce" while he consulted with other leaders on whether to lift more than 70 highway blockades that have isolated major cities across Bolivia.
Eduardo Rodriguez (search), the Supreme Court chief justice, automatically became president after Congress accepted the resignation of former President Carlos Mesa late Thursday and two congressional leaders first in line for the post declined the job.

WHAT YEA THIS THUG WHO IS ANTI AMERICAN AND A COOA GROWER??

The monthlong unrest registered its first death Thursday when a 52-year-old miner reportedly was killed in a clash at a police checkpoint near Sucre.

WHERE WERE HIS FRIENDS???

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159007,00.html
First Death Reported in Bolivian Crisis
Thursday, June 09, 2005

Street protests by indigenous groups, miners, students, labor activists and farmers have crippled Bolivia since May 14. The demonstrators, often numbering in the tens of thousands, have marched almost daily in the paralyzed capital of La Paz, demanding more social benefits for the poor and such steps as nationalizing Bolivia's oil industry.
A group of protesting miners said their leader was killed in a confrontation with soldiers, which if confirmed by authorities would be the first death of the crisis. Miners told an Associated Press photographer that they were stopped by soldiers while traveling in trucks toward Sucre and gunfire erupted, leaving the union official dead. They gave no further details.
The body was photographed covered with a sheet moments before it was taken away by ambulance about 25 miles outside Sucre. The miners said one other miner was wounded but authorities had no confirmation of the account.
The protesters are demanding that Vaca Diez and the next-in-line to succeed Mesa both step down to allow the Supreme Court chief justice to take power and call early elections.
Leftist opposition leader Evo Morales lashed out late Wednesday at Vaca Diez, saying he was a wealthy landowner and another discredited member of the "mafia of the oligarchy" that has ruled Bolivia for decades.
"We will wage a campaign of civil disobedience" against any Vaca Diez presidency, warned Morales, a leader of poor coca leaf-farmers and a House deputy who heads a leftist party, the Movement Toward Socialism. "The street mobilizations will not halt."
La Paz Mayor Juan Del Granado also stepped up pressure for early elections by announcing he and 20 other civic colleagues were beginning a hunger strike, adding, "Our protest is not about politics, but about the future of Bolivia."
A farmer and businessman, Vaca Diez, 56, hails from the eastern region of Santa Cruz and is widely seen as a conservative and free-market supporter. However, his MIR party has been mired in past corruption scandals and is reviled by Indian and labor groups in the western highlands around La Paz.
Morales and other leaders are trying to persuade Vaca Diez to immediately resign the presidency, giving it to second-in-line House leader Mario Cossio. They want Cossio to resign as well, sending the presidency to third-in-line Supreme Court Justice Eduardo Rodriguez.
If Rodriguez becomes president, he must call elections within five months, while either Vaca Diez or Cossio would be allowed by law to serve out Mesa's term, which runs until August 2007.
Vaca Diez refused Thursday to say whether he would allow such a scenario if elected.
"I hope that all goes well and that the peace can be restored in Bolivia," he said.
Camouflaged army troops with rifles at ready guarded the whitewashed hall where the leaders were to open their session in Sucre, the historic capital after Bolivia gained independence in the 19th century. Legislative and executive branches of government later relocated to La Paz, though the Supreme Court is still headquartered in Sucre.
Chronically unstable Bolivia, landlocked and with much of the country at high altitudes in the Andes Mountains, is South America's poorest nation. It is split between Indian and labor groups from the poor western highlands, and the ruling class from Santa Cruz in the east and the oil-rich gas fields to the south.
The divides created by the U.S.-backed war on drugs also are at issue: Opposition leader Evo Morales draws his support from farmers who grow coca leaf, the raw ingredient for cocaine, while Vaca Diez likely would ally himself with the U.S. campaign to eradicate coca leaf plantations.
Morales demanded congressional leaders call early elections in which the anti-U.S. leader would likely be a leading candidate, although he failed in one earlier bid for Bolivia's presidency

AND OUR MSM WAS WORRIED ABOUT MIKIE??

WHO WILL BE THE NEXT MIKE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE ASLEEP UNTIL IT IS TO LATE!!!

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Would it be insulting to the 'prophet' (pb&j) to say that Mohammad was a brigand? ("Booty belongs to Mohammad"- Bukhari.)

Or a pedophile? (Mohammad took Aisha as his wife at the age of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old." -Bukhari.)

Or a liar? ("Deception is acceptible against the unbelievers." -Bukhari.)

A terrorist? "Mohammad approved of the assassins who went to kill a Jew...[one broke his leg fleeing the scene of the murder and] Mohammad miraculously healed it." -Bukhari.)

Or an idiot? "The stars are in the sky for... hitting devils with..." -Bukhari.)

How can you report what the Muslims themselves say about Mohammad without "insulting" him?

The guy was a lying, thieving, psychotic, murderous warlord. (And that's the view of him which was approved of by the Muslim scholars in the selections permitted to be written down in the Hadiths.... IMAGINE what they left OUT!)

Schizoid is what his followers have become as a result.

God help us all as long as this lunatic vision persists!

As a skeptic, I can only say that reason is about as effective a tool against such true believers as a plastic fork against a great white shark.

They need to be restrained, contained and left to kill off one another for imagined slights to this 7th century pedophile dictator and his fugue-state superego named "Allah".

Maybe the cream of the craziest will eventually die out and some Muslims -with a little human understanding- will take over the thrill-kill cult.

Until then, the madness -as demonstrated by this Q & A- is an Islamic norm:

Mullah Ted Bundy asking Imam Jeffrey Daumer if it is permitted to kill people.

When I get home to my PC internet link I'll post the Q n A item i found that tells Muslim that "The Jews" tried to kill Muhammed twice by poisoning his food with a mole sent to get close to him.

This is the tripe being fed to Muslims, the
death threat for Questioning Muhammed or Imams
knowledge forces the acceptance without any free thinking or work to challenge it a form their own opinion,suicide bomber are the epitome of brainwashed yahoo's that embrace ignorance as if were a virtue.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 10, 2005 06:18 PM

Gold Star for you today!!!

Love you sight !!!

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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED AMEN

Check this out: Thanks to LGF:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState%7c1%7c0%7c28%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c1%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c53041675%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0&p=&tag=3

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20050609/cm_thenation/20050627scroggins;_ylt=AtjUHxtQkhJShzGXMNk9Ta2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZWM0djIzBHNlYwNjbQ-

I think I need a tranquilizer!

Sean Penn turns out to be the 'Hanoi Jane' of 2005! Sucking up the Mullahs, unreal!

Didn't he once play the prison bitch in a movie? He should be in Gitmo...What a fool!

America has it's own Yussuf Islam by the looks of it.

Sean Penn, I can't believe it. Look at his little goatie, look at the twisted expression in his face: Demented! Wrap a towel round his head and he is 'perfect'. What an a@#hole!

Carolyn2:

Re the behaviour Islam "teaches" -- today's frontpagemag.com had a symposium on honour killings and one of the contributors is a psychologist. She figures that the operative description isn't "honour" but rather shame and humiliation, not so much at the hands of females, but really at the hands of the authoritarians who do not allow most of the male population to have much freedom or dignity either.

I think she's right on the money connecting the extreme hierarchy of power with the predisposition toward violence.

I wonder if Sean Penn has noticed how many women are at the prayer and electioneering sessions.

I wonder if Sean Penn has noticed how many women are at the prayer and electioneering sessions.

Posted by: PRCS

He wouldn't care, it's alright if it is their culture. That is a leftist buzz word. It would only be bad if the west did it.

Waterdragon, thanks for the tip about the Frontpage symposium.

Thanks waterdragon also, for that Frontpage info.

The islamic stuff is so stupid/ugly, the story of the guy's life is so ugly, and as bigsleep said, we read the 'approved' bowdlerized story of his life, much violence, barbarity and sexual depravity left out, and the instruction manual left for his throng so bad, a template for disaster for humanity, i'm not willing to be inclusive to islam.

If you look up the respective Soviet history you might even find similarities to Islam. Sexuality based on love, for instance, was regarded as "damage to the revolution", a perception almost identical to statements of the great Al-Ghazali, the aforementioned theologian of medieval Islam. He rejected affection, let alone love as "danger for the umma (Muslim community)" or as simple "craziness". If you ask many radical Muslims today whether they love their wives, they will either not understand what you are talking about or eagerly agree in terms of controlling their wives strictly as Allah tells them.
Love is an alien concept to muslims.

Here's the link to a Cleric telling Muslms that Jews tried several times to murder Muhammed,of course the lie was re-enforced by the
claim Allah prevailed and warned the Prophet
to protect him.
This is the typical ruse to back a lie,create a circular logic argument that's
founded on proving a negative staement.

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=32762&dgn=3

Muhammed survived,ergo Allah must have protected him and therefore the Jews must have tried to poison him or Allah wouldn't of warned
him to save him.

The onus is shifted to doubting Allah and
the out come from the lie is retro actively
applied as the basis and foundation prior to
making up the story.

Muhammed did this by applying the Quran
that way and showing how Christians and jews are really Muslims because the Quran proves Islam is the real word of god and negates all the Prophets
claims prior to his words to Muhammed.
Even the Prophecy from Jesus that a "false" Prophet would do exactly what Muhammed did
and cause suffering,wars upon wars,and the followers will kill you thinking they're doing a favour to God.

Sound familiar,the beheading videos are really infomercials to prove what Jesus predicted for the future after he died and ascended to heaven.

Get this:

What is "Islamic Fundamentalism"?

There is no concept of "Fundamentalism" in Islam. The western media has coined this term to brand those Muslims who wish to return to the basic fundamental principles of Islam and mould their lives accordingly. Islam is a religion of moderation and a practicing God fearing Muslim can neither be a fanatic nor an extremist.

Do they really believe their own stuff?

"Islam intolerant of other religious minorities?

Islam recognizes the rights of the minority. To ensure their welfare and safety, Muslim rulers initiated a tax (Jazia) on them. Prophet Muhammad (P) forbade Muslim armies to destroy churches and synagogues. Caliph Umer did not even allow them to pray inside a church. Jews were welcomed and flourished in Muslim Spain even when they were persecuted in the rest of Europe. They consider that part of their history as the Golden Era. In Muslim countries, Christians live in prosperity, hold government positions and attend their church. Christian missionaries are allowed to establish and operate their schools and hospitals. However, the same religious tolerance is not always available to Muslim minorities as seen in the past during Spanish inquisition and the crusades, or as seen now by the events in Bosnia, Israel and India. Muslims do recognize that sometimes the actions of a ruler does not reflect the teachings of his religion."

Holy Cow! To ensure their welfare and safety, Muslim rulers initiated a tax (Jazia) on them

Posted by: Terminator at June 10, 2005 08:12 PM

Gold Star for you today!!
LOOKS LIKE EUROPE IS WAKE-ING UP AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL?? LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX!!

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE HOMOSEXUALS WOULD TAKE TO THE RIGHT??

BUT DEATH ON YOUR DOOR HAS A WAY OF CHANGING PEOPLE??

WONDER WHEN THE HOMOSEXUALS WILL GET IT IN THE USA ??

I MEAN THE CHRISTANS DON'T WANT THEM TO MARRY BUT THE MULSUMS WANT TO KILL THEM WHICH WOULD YOU PICK??

HERE IN THE USA WE LET THEM HAVE THEIR PRADES WONDER IF THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAAT UNDER MULSUM LAW???

DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE IT???

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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WITH FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
HEAR THEY HAD A PIG ROST ON JUNE 1ST IN IRAQ SO THINGS ARE PRETTY GOOD!!! BACON!!

DANG GOT BUGERS IN THE NOSE WHAT WAS IT MO SAID TO DO??

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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FRCES AND ALL WHO FIGTH WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO THEY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
LIKE THIS ONE TOO!!

http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/the_shoe_bomber.mp3

http://www.pindiplus.com/kashif/archive/quran.php
Lots of interesting, although islamic, stuff to read here.

THE BEST THING I CAN SAY IS TO BE WELL STOCKED AND ARMED FOR THE STORM IT IS A COMING!!!

Part of the American Tribe
GOD BLESS THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE HEROS AMEM

pity the countries who need them???

Don't bet your life that they wouldn't.

Ummagumma-

(Great Pink Floyd song, too.)

If you 'desecrated' what Dhimmi Condoleeza Rice calls the 'holy' Koran at a gathering of the Muslim faithful, they would at least try to kill you.

If you weren't ready with a fast getaway vehicle -or an Uzi- your act would be ill-advised.

Best to use psy-ops techniques. ('Child psychology' would be the laymen's term.)

Play with their heads.

Use their suspicious natures against themselves.

Let them think that they are untrustworthy to each other.

(I'll let you come up with the specifics... like posting made-up Hadiths at the mosque that attempt to equal the originals in absurdity, cruelty, crudity and craziness. VIZ: "Mohammad ate the eyeballs of 700 sheep in one sitting to mock the Jews."- Tabari, book 7, vol. 9, #245.)

I posted this Q & A quote at a Philosophy (The "Examined Life") forum where there was a discussion about letting Turkey into the European Union. One Leftist poster responded with a long diatribe about how there are still English Church laws on the books that make "blasphemy" against Christianity a crime...

I told him that English Christians don't kill people who blaspheme Christianity. And I also helpfully suggested that he "wake the fuck up". Alas, he probably won't...

"Moderate muzzies" are really jihadists that have'nt come out of the closet yet. When their numbers grow large enough they always come out.

Posted by: Cross at June 10, 2005 11:54 PM

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"Moderate" muslim = someone who postpones killing the infidel (you and me) until a more convenient time.

Islam is either Satan's finest work or a amoral meme-complex with no exit signs.

Terminator: "Sean Penn turns out to be the 'Hanoi Jane' of 2005! Sucking up the Mullahs, unreal!

Didn't he once play the prison bitch in a movie? He should be in Gitmo...What a fool!"

Is this a joke? Was the stuff about deporting all Muslims also a joke? Because if taken at face value, it seems that you not only support a Stalinist purge of Muslims from the West, but you also want to send people who disagree with you to Gitmo. Amnesty called Gitmo the "Gulag", and now you want to prove them right! They say nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, but apparently you do! Are you serious?

Viking5-

Amenesty International's charge of a "gulag" was not only an insult to the intelligence of anyone who knows the meaning of the word (as noted in 3 massive volumes by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, 20 plus millions killed for their beliefs under Stalin, etc., in a massive system of secret labor camps spread throughout the soviet state), but to the helpless the victims of the terrorizing communists.

Loose use of charged language proves only that Amnesty's p.r. department are a passel of imbeciles.

Gitmo is more like a traffic court.

I have only contempt for this kind of Stalinistic propaganda, and find that Amnesty, who has little to say about the real gulag in China, and the one in North Korea, and the de facto gulag state of Saudi Arabia, has become an apologist for terror and an enemy of the only bastion of freedom left in the world, and the only military left who can oppose the sinking of Civilization into the miasma of the 7th century superstitions of Islamic Imperialism.

I personally only wish Muslims would all peacefully emigrate to Saudi Arabia, and leave the kafir West- which they hate (if they are honest believers in what Mohammad preached)- to enjoy its freedoms without the constant Koranically-inspired undermining of its values.

Just like our founding fathers, true believers in freedom and democracy!

Viking 5:

Thank you Big Sleep for answering most of Vikings questions with your above post.

Yes Viking, I have absolutely no problem with a 'stalinist style- purge'- on all Islamic activity in Western countries.

I want all 'clerics' out, I want mosques shut down and all Islamics interned and screened. This screening process would reveal that 99 per cent of them do support the 'Ummah', have no loyalty to the host country, that they are involved in seditious activities, that they all support the Khalifate and that they work towards that with ALL means. Yes I want them deported, by any means. Islam is a criminal organization and we have plenty of evidence to prove it.

It is my view that Islamics do not in any way contribute to make our society better, quite the contrary. The cost of monitoring their treacherous activies is becoming astronomical and security measures to keep them in check are not sufficient to put anyones mind at ease.

Why should we have to live in fear of a blood-cult terrorizing us?

Yes by all means: Let the deportations begin!

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Hollywood actor Sean Penn, adopting the role of a journalist, scribbled in his notebook as Friday prayer worshippers in Tehran chanted "Death to America." http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050610/us_nm/odd_iran_penn_dc_3

I read that article. Did it not raise questions for you, it did for me.

What language do they speak in Mosques? Arabic and the native tongue. The native tongue of Iran is Farsi, so if Sean Penn was sitting in on Friday Prayers and taking notes, then Sean must be Arab or Farsi.

If he can speak Arab then we have a different picture. Sean Penn is then nothing more than a Hollywood Screen name. I wonder who and what he really is.

Yeah, right. Tell it to the Marines.

Viking, why not deport or "purge" the muslims? They hate America so why are they here? I don't think this question is too hard to answer; they're here to spread Islam, support terrorist cells, flood our courts with discrimination lawsuits, avail themselves of all of America's opportunities while simultaneously condeming our government, society, culture, and history. They are here to breed, to spawn Islam's future jihadists, to teach hate and Islamic superiority in American Islamic hate factories. They're here to take all they can get from us and in return, they give us their unmitigated hate and contemptible hubris.

Muslims have brought tremendous hardships and burdens to our lives and for what?! They contribute nothing of any value to our society. Every time I go to an airport, I curse Islam for the hellacious inconveniences and invasions of my privacy, for the long lines, the confiscation of "forbidden" items, the pat-downs, the metal detectors. I curse Islam when I have to take the metal barrettes out of my hair, take off my shoes and walk barefooted on the filthy floor, watch a sullen security guard rifle through my purse and everything in it, open my suitcase to find the little note telling me that it was "inspected for prohibited items."

I curse Islam for the astronomical expenses incurred to monitor mosques and their demonic congregations to make sure the ummah isn't plotting to blow up a mall or a school, and the many other defensive tactics we have been forced to implement to protect ourselves from one segment of our population---muslims. Our way of life has drastically changed because of ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. Am I resentful? HELL YES!!

Not so very long ago, we would have resolved our muslim problem in a different way; we would have eliminated the problem, not invested billions to protect ourselves from it. Why are we working around it? I'll never figure that out, but maybe you know.

Susanp:

I love you for that!

I LOVE YOU FOR THAT, I really do!

Susanp:

I love you for that!

I LOVE YOU FOR THAT, I really do!

Susanp:

I love you for that!

I LOVE YOU FOR THAT, I really do!

"I want all 'clerics' out, I want mosques shut down and all Islamics interned and screened. This screening process would reveal that 99 per cent of them do support the 'Ummah', have no loyalty to the host country, that they are involved in seditious activities, that they all support the Khalifate and that they work towards that with ALL means. Yes I want them deported, by any means. Islam is a criminal organization and we have plenty of evidence to prove it."

So you really do expect the Spanish Inquisition. Just checking.

"Not so very long ago, we would have resolved our muslim problem in a different way; we would have eliminated the problem, not invested billions to protect ourselves from it. Why are we working around it? I'll never figure that out, but maybe you know."

Ah yes, the good old days, before genocide and "ethnic cleansing" became dirty words. Yes, the "final solution" would have worked perfectly.

Susan and Terminator, it seems that you want to destroy the west in order to save it. I find this reasoning perverse, and ironic, in that it is liberals who are constantly accused of naivity or of ignoring history, and yet you seem to think that we can just tear millions of people, the vast majority of whom have not and never will commit any crime, from their homes, jobs and families in a latter-day witchunt, without any negative consequences. I can think of nothing more likely to make the terrorist problem worse. It would be the end of the UN, the EU, and the US Constitution. All the talk about due process, human rights, and equality under law would be utterly discredited. Bin Laden would ride a wave of sympathy and would be hailed as a prophet, since he has long since sought to convince the Muslim world that the "Crusader-Jew" alliance is really fighting Muslims, and not terrorists. We'd be headed for exactly the kind of "Muslims vs the west" confrontation that the jihadists want.

Viking,

During World War II, the West faced a horrible, anti-liberal enemy coalition that was hell-bent on conquering the world. In order for the West to win against this horrible enemy (much of which came from within Western civilization), the West had to do terrible, but rationally necessary things in self-defense -- and the West not only survived without "becoming like" the enemy, the West cotinued its progress to become better in the decades afterwards.

Today, the West is again facing a horrible, anti-liberal enemy coalition hell-bent on mass-murder and conquest (one way or another) of other people's societies.

If there were a coalition of KKK, Aryan Nation and neo-Nazis suicide-bombing all over the place and beheading people in the name of their God and mass-murdering black Africans and ranting about how evil Jews, Americans, Christians and homosexuals are and scheming to fight an apocalyptic war against their enemies -- would you ask us to cautiously refrain from stepping on their sensitive toes, or would you not regard it as a prudent measure of self defense to shut down their meeting halls and deport them?

We must strike this creature at its heart, the Koran, rather than picking off peripheral boogey men for our temporary satisfaction

Posted by: Madzionist.

We need to somehow create some apparatus to help Muslims leave their religion, in mass, then record all the fatwas that will follow, which will make the defenders of Islam look pathetic. Posted by: nuh.

The New Testamestt would be a better 'avenue' for serving God - which obviously those who worship in Islam - want to do.

But the Truths that are given in the New Testament have to be shown - so that they hear - or how else will they hear it?

Apparently it is not yet a crime, all over the Western (i.e., Infidel world) to urge anyone to harming (i.e.., executing) apostates and others.

Posted by: Hugh

Not to fear, no doubt these guys on "Islam Q&A" are just a tiny minority, just like there is a "tiny minority" in the millions of people that follow the clerics in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia Sudan Kuwait, etc etc etc.
Just another "tiny minority".....

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky

God help us all as long as this lunatic vision persists!

Posted by: BigSleep

How? How will God help? without His Word?

Mic 3:4 Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.

Isa 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, {{{Remove His protection] and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:

because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear;

but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Amnesty called Gitmo the "Gulag"

Viking? - AmNasty will evetually find out just what "Gulag" is - when all their hard work finally pays off