From the VOA:
Israelis and Palestinians have clashed at a hotly disputed holy site in Jerusalem. The violence was sparked by a controversial anniversary.
Israeli police stormed the Mosque of al-Aqsa compound in Jerusalem's Old City, and used stun grenades to disperse hundreds of Palestinians who threw stones at Jewish visitors.
"With spirit and blood, we will defend al-Aqsa!" the Palestinians chanted. Al-Aqsa is known to Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif, the third holiest place in Islam, but for the Jews, it is the Temple Mount, the site of the two biblical Temples and the holiest place in Judaism. There were no serious injuries, and police quickly withdrew.
The clash was sparked by Israel's celebration of Jerusalem Day, marking the 38th anniversary of the capture of the eastern half of the city from Jordan during the Six Day War in 1967.
Thousands of Israelis marched through the streets, singing national songs and waving flags. Among them was Michael Sandberg, who told VOA, "For 2,000 years, the Jews have been saying, 'Next year, in Jerusalem,' you know this is the heart and soul of the Jewish people."
But Muslims, like shopkeeper Naif Ahmad, see Jerusalem as the future capital of a Palestinian state.
"This is our country," he said. "You must know we are under occupation."...
Happy Anniversary, Israel.
i wonder why naif ahmad (or his father at least) did not tell the same old refrain of the occupation smitten arabs in "palestine" BEFORE 1967 ??? huh? were they not occupied by Jordan... tripe.
as for you ernst zundel - i wonder how (I've read your 'did 6 million really die' years ago) such fascists as you are still in large in the US? Oh, I've forgotten you're in Canada. I write from eastern europe, you buffoon have 'successfully' proven the non-event of the holocaust. well now, keep the steam and prove that no pogrom has ever been a fact in Eastarn Europe, nor in Western. Oh! I've blundered again - there are no jews, they are all khazars. Or was that not one of your burps but someone else's ? nevermind you're all tarred with the same brush...
well done with zundel's post. good reaction. this site is not for anti-jewish propaganda.
No. The Arab violence was sparked by nothing more than the presence of Jews on the Temple Mount.
adullam:
Zundel is sitting in a jail in Germany, having been deported by Canada after a long and arduous process, awaiting prosecution there for his Holocaust denial activities.
I have notified Spencer that he has a poster calling himself Zundel who is posting links to neo-Nazi sites and expect that Zundel's posts will be deleted and the troll will be banned and reported as appropriate.
waterdragon what good news !
thank you !
The mosque that temporarily occupies a place on the Temple Mount will soon be removed. The locusts (muslims) will have to deal with it. May G-d move soon. Happy anniversary Israel.
'Ernst Zundel' is probably Ernst Kaltenbrunner, former death camp commandant, writing from some internet chatroom in Damascus Syria, celebrating his upcoming 102nd birthday early by reminding everyone that he was really running a holiday camp for underprivileged Jews, and somehow the Zionist-influenced allies parachuted in typhus vials to make his efforts look bad.
Oh, wait, Kaltenbrunner was caught, tried, convicted (among his crimes were ordering the killings of downed Allied airmen and escaped P.O.W.'s), and hanged in 1946.
Maybe just a starry-eyed admirer...
...mooning over a spent can of Zyklon-B and sighing the name "Shicklegruber... Shicklegruber..." around their lip-lodged thumb.
I wonder why it's "Israelis and Palestinians have clashed" instead of "Moslems threw rocks at peaceful jews". *sigh*
Religion of Peace Department:
There are three principal buildings on the Temple Mount: al-Aksa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock and a museum of Islam.
The museum has showcase after showcase full of swords, guns and "blood-stained gowns of the martyrs."
These Palestinians never seem to run out of rocks.
"This is our country."
-- from the article above, quoting a "Palestinian" Arab.
Students of the real situation in the Ottoman vilayets that subsequently formed the Mandate for Palestine know all sorts of things that those who write in the press and prate on television, and of course speak about in the corridors of power do not know. They know that almost all the land was owned by the Ottoman state, and that tales of "Palestinians" owning land are absurd. They know that the population had been steadily declining in that area, which is why, beginning in the 1840s, people from outside the region -- including Turcoman troops of both Mehmet Ali and Berbers under Abd el-Kader, both settled in the area that later became known as Mandatory Palestine. They know that at mid-century, the total sedentary population (i.e., excluding the Bedouin who roamed from North Africa all the way through the area of modern Israel to Arabia, never exceeded more than 100,000 and that this population was not "Arab" exclusively or even mainly, for Circassians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Italian and French Franciscans, Jews who had lived in Tiberias, Sfad, Hebron and above all Jerusalem, for centuries, and a thousand other types of humanity, all lived in what was Eretz Israel for Jews, and the Holy Land for Christians (and for Muslims largely a matter of complete indifference -- except insofar as this land smack in the middle of dar al-Islam might be settled or claimed by others, who dared even to buy land from the Ottoman state and later, from absentee landlords who had managed to acquire land from the Ottomans, or claimed to have done so).
The preposterous misinformation about the real situation, of both demography and land-ownership, has been encouraged by the same vast Arab propaganda effort that so successfully convinced people that suddently, after the Six-Day War, the local Arabs had remarkably metamorphosed into the "Palestinian people" (a people never heard about before, never mentioned once by any Arab spokesamn anywhere, least of all in the U.N. or at the Arab League) and even more remarkably, that "Palestinian people" appears to have lived in "Palestine" for several millennia.
Quite a feat. Goebbels would have stood astonied. Even the Comintern would have watched in admiration. Nothing like it has been accomplished in the annals of propaganda since time began. Of course, the nonsense fell on a signficant percentage of hearts and minds that, propmted by the pathological condition we now recognizae antisemitism to be, were altogether too willing to accept this nonsense, and to promote it among others who, though not exhibiting the signs of the same pathological condition, were ignorant of history, and unwilling to examine the evidence for themselves, and hence became easy prey.
It is no different now, with all the nonsense and lies told about Islam's glorious past, its tolerance, its sheer wonderfulness. Rubbish from start to finish, and the more you study, the more rubbishy it becomes. And even the supposedly great literature turns out to be, on inspection, thin gruel -- and if Al-Mutanabbi's Kufariyyat is any indication, the major modes are two: sycophantic panegyrics to a ruler, and when that ruler ceases, or fails, to deliver, invective. Not exactly Hamlet or King Lear. Muslim culture, we are so often assured, and lazily tend to accept, was a splendid achievement. Was it? No sculpture, no painting of living creatures (some of the Turkish padishahin nonetheless had their portraits painted -- Bellini did Soleiman the Magnficient; some Persian and Indo-Persian miniaturists got around the ban on the depiction of living creatures by painting figures from mythology; that's it), no music, no real science after the first few hundred years, before the Christians and Jews disappeared as a fructifying influence and significant presence). So we are left with the (presumably great) poetry of Islam. I can't find that great Islamic poetry. I can find pre-Islamic verse. I can find verse written in Islamic times that celebrates wine, women, and song in a most un-Islamic fashion. I can find un-Islamic Persian verse, such as the Shahnameh, that is directly prompted by a desire to fend off the arabization, the linguistic imperialism, that Islam always brings in its wake.
But when one looks at an anthology of verse, anything that could be deemed as not violating Islam appears to be poetry of two kinds: the invective, and the panegyric. Sometimes the two come together, when someone praised sycophantically in the hopes that he will, in turn, support the lick-spittle poet, turns out not to come through with such support, and hence the invective. A good example of this unpleasant combination is the Kufariyyat of the most famous Arab poet in history, Al-Mutanabbi. That may be Arabdom's Shakespeare, but to someone raised on English literature, it is pretty thin gruel indeed. -decorated blue mosque or two
"This is our country."
-- from the article above, quoting a "Palestinian" Arab.
Students of the real situation in the Ottoman vilayets that subsequently formed the Mandate for Palestine know all sorts of things that those who write in the press and prate on television, and of course speak about in the corridors of power do not know. They know that almost all the land was owned by the Ottoman state, and that tales of "Palestinians" owning land are absurd. They know that the population had been steadily declining in that area, which is why, beginning in the 1840s, people from outside the region -- including Turcoman troops of both Mehmet Ali and Berbers under Abd el-Kader, both settled in the area that later became known as Mandatory Palestine. They know that at mid-century, the total sedentary population (i.e., excluding the Bedouin who roamed from North Africa all the way through the area of modern Israel to Arabia, never exceeded more than 100,000 and that this population was not "Arab" exclusively or even mainly, for Circassians, Armenians, Ethiopians, Italian and French Franciscans, Jews who had lived in Tiberias, Sfad, Hebron and above all Jerusalem, for centuries, and a thousand other types of humanity, all lived in what was Eretz Israel for Jews, and the Holy Land for Christians (and for Muslims largely a matter of complete indifference -- except insofar as this land smack in the middle of dar al-Islam might be settled or claimed by others, who dared even to buy land from the Ottoman state and later, from absentee landlords who had managed to acquire land from the Ottomans, or claimed to have done so).
The preposterous misinformation about the real situation, of both demography and land-ownership, has been encouraged by the same vast Arab propaganda effort that so successfully convinced people that suddently, after the Six-Day War, the local Arabs had remarkably metamorphosed into the "Palestinian people" (a people never heard about before, never mentioned once by any Arab spokesamn anywhere, least of all in the U.N. or at the Arab League) and even more remarkably, that "Palestinian people" appears to have lived in "Palestine" for several millennia.
Quite a feat. Goebbels would have stood astonied. Even the Comintern would have watched in admiration. Nothing like it has been accomplished in the annals of propaganda since time began. Of course, the nonsense fell on a signficant percentage of hearts and minds that, propmted by the pathological condition we now recognizae antisemitism to be, were altogether too willing to accept this nonsense, and to promote it among others who, though not exhibiting the signs of the same pathological condition, were ignorant of history, and unwilling to examine the evidence for themselves, and hence became easy prey.
It is no different now, with all the nonsense and lies told about Islam's glorious past, its tolerance, its sheer wonderfulness. Rubbish from start to finish, and the more you study, the more rubbishy it becomes. And even the supposedly great literature turns out to be, on inspection, thin gruel -- and if Al-Mutanabbi's Kufariyyat is any indication, the major modes are two: sycophantic panegyrics to a ruler, and when that ruler ceases, or fails, to deliver, invective. Not exactly Hamlet or King Lear. Muslim culture, we are so often assured, and lazily tend to accept, was a splendid achievement. Was it? No sculpture, no painting of living creatures (some of the Turkish padishahin nonetheless had their portraits painted -- Bellini did Soleiman the Magnficient; some Persian and Indo-Persian miniaturists got around the ban on the depiction of living creatures by painting figures from mythology; that's it), no music, no real science after the first few hundred years, before the Christians and Jews disappeared as a fructifying influence and significant presence). So we are left with the (presumably great) poetry of Islam. I can't find that great Islamic poetry. I can find pre-Islamic verse. I can find verse written in Islamic times that celebrates wine, women, and song in a most un-Islamic fashion. I can find un-Islamic Persian verse, such as the Shahnameh, that is directly prompted by a desire to fend off the arabization, the linguistic imperialism, that Islam always brings in its wake.
But when one looks at an anthology of verse, anything that could be deemed as not violating Islam appears to be poetry of two kinds: the invective, and the panegyric. Sometimes the two come together, when someone praised sycophantically in the hopes that he will, in turn, support the lick-spittle poet, turns out not to come through with such support, and hence the invective. A good example of this unpleasant combination is the Kufariyyat of the most famous Arab poet in history, Al-Mutanabbi. That may be Arabdom's Shakespeare, but to someone raised on English literature, it is pretty thin gruel indeed.
Hugh:
Thanks for the concise exposition on the relatively recent demographic history of Israel.
To create a great body of literature would require a much higher degree and extent of literacy than exists in the Arab/Muslim realm, so is it any wonder the net contribution from those quarters is so lame? But wait... ...maybe the Arab/Muslims culture has really made substantial contributions, but we lousy Eurocentrics have ignored or suppressed evidence of same.
The fact that Jews are being forced to live in dhimmitude in Jerusalem like this is appauling, and is a undeniably the result of the failed policies of appeasement by the Israeli left. The moslems must be forcibly expelled from Eretz Yisroal or there will never be peace.