Here is the predictable sidebar to the ice cream jihad arrests in Lodi, California: now area Muslims are afraid of a backlash. But aren't they afraid that there might be more jihad terrorists among them? If they are, they aren't saying so here. "Probe expected to widen, FBI says; LODI REACTION: Muslims shaken, fearful of backlash as after 9/11," from the San Francisco Chronicle, with thanks to LGF:
After the arrest here this week of two Pakistani American men and the detention of two Pakistani Muslim religious leaders, Mohammed Shoaib, 53, a shopkeeper, fears another backlash."People don't know who's who and what's what," said Shoaib, who immigrated here as a child, following his father, who had followed his uncle, who arrived here in the 1930s.
Many Pakistani Americans were shaken Wednesday, some convinced that the arrests were the result of a misunderstanding and that the men who were being held would eventually be cleared....
Some in the community see the Farooqia Islamic Center as a threat to traditional Muslim values....
Why didn't they say so before the arrests?
" Pamela Parvez believes opposition to a proposed new mosque is behind the arrests."
Shoaib said he and many of his customers believe that opponents of the religious leaders told federal authorities about them.
So they are saying a tiff about the "pink" mosque caused someone to rat out these fellows? I guess we should be glad they were able to curb their enthusiasm and just called the police rather than asking “What would Allah do?” and blowing up the pink mosque or worse.
It doesn’t matter how these guys were exposed. The Muslim community needs to purge itself of criminals. Immigration law violators are CRIMINALS. However, if it manages to do with infighting who cares? Sic the police on each other until you get all the illegal immigrants out of here. Send them back to their countries of origin post haste.
f.g.
This is a little off subject, but a public question: I deal with a great amount of muslims here in the US. When ever they provide me with a telephone number or cell phone, if there are more than one present they laugh when the number is provided, then talk in their native language. Not all the time, but sometimes.
It was not until today that I was going through a list of telephone numbers over several years that I noticed a vast majority of numbers had something similar, then I noticed that they were my muslim clients. The numbers had the same last four digits to their numbers. xxx-7902, looking at my keypad I then realized that this, when dialed, was a upside down Christian cross. Any coincidence? I ponder.
MULSUMS CRY WHY OH WHY PLEASE DON'T LET ANY ONE HURT US??
WELL IT WAS THEIR FELLOW MULSUMS WHO ARE INVOLDED WITH TERRORIST AND DID THEY TURN THESE MONSTERS IN??
FROM WHAT I SEE NO!!
JUST GOOD DICK WORK GOT THESE GUYS??
WHO HAS THREATENED THESE PEOPLE??
FROM WHAT I CAN TELL NO ONE??
IF PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE DECIDE NOLONGER TO SHOP IN THEIR SHOPS OR GIVE THEM ANY BUSINESS THE COPS HAVE ON SAY ABOUT THAT!!
PEOPLE DON'T RUN AWAY THERE IS NO WHERE ELSE TO RUN STAND YOUR GROUND TAKE BACK YOUR TOWN!!
STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND WILL ONLY GET YOUR BUTT SHOT OFF!!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN
PS
IRAQIS POST TODAY THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST HAVE KILLED 12,000 IRAQIS HEAR THIS NOT AMERICANS KILL IRAQIS BUT ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILL IRAQI PEOPLE WHERE IS THE MSM ON THIS STORY!!!
PSS
WASN'T LONDI A TOWN WHO HAD SIGNS IN THEIR WINDOW SUPPORTING THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST??
I REMEMBER IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN CALF??
Alaskan1000: I have a somewhat similar story. My laptop was recently infected with a vicious virus and started going seriously wrong. (That is why I was mostly absent from this site for a few months.) I took it to be serviced to a local shop ran by orthodox Muslims - the full production, pork pie hat, long curly beard, white clothes, etc. The service turned out to be unsatisfactory, for which I do not blame the men - the virus was a diabolical one, and I eventually had to buy a new computer - but one thing struck me. I use my computers as libraries, storing thousands of texts I need for research. When I received my laptop back, a good deal of the memory turned out to be damaged - again, hardly surprising, given the ferocity of the virus. However, only one folder had altogether vanished, leaving no trace anywhere in the system: the one marked - in Italian - "Religione Cristiana," Christian religion, containing thousands of downloaded religious texts. I have wondered ever since whether that was a coincidence.
Paolo..
My computor was enslaved with cookies, trojan horse, robots, information duplicators. I could'nt hardly navigate on the net.
I usually only surf news sites and no one else has access to my computer. I ended up taking my computor to a fix it shop. They fixed it and said " the usual contamination on my computor. The people showed me a printout of all of the items they removed off my computor. Over 430. I was shocked. They said that was usual.
They then showed me where they all came from, all most all of them originated in muslim countries, pakistan, egypt, turkey, malasia, indonisia, saudi, lebanon, syria. Again, they said that was normal for what they were seeing.
Funny how we don't hear about that from our goverment.
Posted by: Paolo at June 10, 2005 04:26 PM
THAT IS A GOD REASON TO HAVE EVERYTHING SAVED TO DISK BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP!!!
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/ushayat60705.html
Criminal Complaint
U.S. v. Hamid Hayat and Umer Hayat
Federal criminal charges alleging that a 47-year-old California father and his 22-year-old son lied to the FBI about training at and/or visiting al Qaeda terrorist and jihadi training camps in Pakistan. (June 7, 2005)
[Note: Partial redactions by FindLaw]
READ THE WHOLE THING??
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
ps
SEAMS THE PACKIS HAVE SENT THEIR ISLAMIC TERRORIST TO WOOP IT UP WITH OUR GUYS IN AFGHANISTAN??
alaskan1000 …you blow my mind!
I remember a posting awhile back where you mentioned something about Revelations and the mark of the beast being in the right hand or the forehead of people following the antichrist and that Muslims hold the Qur'an only with their right hand. Is that really true? Not just that, I've always pondered who would be able to come to power and not allow the buying and selling of goods unless you had the mark, but an Islamic society is most definitely a front-running contender for those kinds of actions.
If, as you said before, a Jew came along saying "Peace, peace," no one would pay any attention, but a Muslim leader who could round up the extremists and proclaimed peace would definitely be someone the whole world could get behind and follow. Very scary, but I think you’ve managed to find the religion of Satan and the downfall of mankind as foretold in Revelations.
Great work! Now we only need to sit back and watch and wait for the antichrist to rise from within their population!
Anymore gems of wisdom, oh wise one …?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159002,00.html
Fifth Man Arrested in California Terror Probe
Thursday, June 09, 2005
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Five men, including two father-and-son pairs, have now been arrested as federal law enforcement officers try to determine whether they have uncovered a network of Al Qaeda (search) supporters in Northern California.
Father and son Umer and Hamid Hayat were arrested over the weekend in Lodi, Calif., on criminal charges. Three Pakistani citizens are also being held on immigration violations. Lodi is an agricultural community 40 miles south of Sacramento.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents also have arrested Mohammed Adil Khan, Shabbir Ahmed and Khan's 19-year-old son, Mohammad Hassan Adil, for immigration violations. All three are citizens of Pakistan and Khan is affiliated with the Farooqia Islamic Center near Lodi, Calif. Ahmed is a citizen of Pakistan who currently functions as the Imam of the Lodi mosque.
Those three men are expected to eventually appear before an immigration judge.
Neighbors: Hayat Family Wasn't Suspicious
http://www.farooqia.net/
Foundation of Farooqia Islamic Center is new and a fruit of hard efforts, which will continue in years to come. The center is started in city of Lodi northern California in 23 Jan 2001. Our mission is to create a bright future for our next generations.
Farooqia Islamic Center offers the following services:
Major Undertakings :
Five times prayer are taking place regularly
Classes of Memorization of the Holy Quran
Tafseer (interpretation of) Quran every Sunday
Islamic Classes for Children and Adults
Teaching about the Finality of Prophethood
Warning about fradulent translations of the Quran
Dawa among Muslims and Non-Muslims
Presiding Muslim wedding ceremonies
Monthly Bulletin with prayer time table
Promoting Islam as The Way of Life
Farooqia Islamic center is a Non-profit religious Organization registered under the law of state of California to cater to the needs of Muslim community in general and it is proposing to build and operate a religious educational social and cultural complex for worship and education.
HMMM?? I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY MULSUM WHO POST HERE TO DINIE THE ANY QU-RAN VERSES POSTED HERE?? SO WHICH QU-RAN ARE FRADULENT?????
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AMEN
If it is possible for Muslims to display a "moderate" side, then the TIME IS NOW. Why should we continue to show forebearance for this malicious and terrorist spawning community? My advice to them: TURN IN THE JIHADIS AMONG YOUR COMMUNITIES NOW. REPORT YOUR VIOLENCE PROMULGATING IMAMS NOW. STOP GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THE TERRORISTS NOW. They must stop slandering America and Americans. Muslims themselves show the true meaning of religious intolerance. Perhaps most importantly, from one who loves his country and does not wish to see it come to harm, I say STOP INCITING YOUR FOLLOWERS TO PUT FEALTY TOWARDS YOUR INTOLERANT RELIGION ABOVE YOUR FEALTY TOWARDS THE USA and THE CONSTITUTION -- If you can't do that, then you really don't belong here!
You know, it's a really good thing that we caught these islamic demons... if they had gone through with their plans, the town would have to be re-named to "Splodi".
This from LGF... :)
Dirka dirka! Mohammed jihad!
Oh- Muhammed jihad! Dirka dirka
LOL
Disarm all Muslims in America seems to be a wise thing to do. If they don't like it they can get the HELL OUT!
Now which politician will propose that???
Any poliician got balls?
Lodi isn't a really large town.
Most every Muslim in town probably knows pretty much every other Muslim in town.
Robert is right. If some Muslims in town saw the Farooqia Islamic Center as a threat to traditional Muslim values, why didn't they say so before the arrests?
This is an excellent opportunity for the press, especially the local press (Lodi, Sacramento, etc)to ask local Muslims such questions.
And while they're at it, let those concerned Muslims (a) describe 'traditional Muslim values' as they see it, and (b) challenge their whinning bretheren to stow the victimhood routine.
And let's hope the 'clerics' aren't simply deported. Charge them with everything possible, and put them on trial.
Get this stuff out in the open.
Of course, once again, like 9/11, it all revolves around how Muslims feel.
I wish they would all go feel the Ka'aba.
For about 1350 years.
And allow Civilization to get back to its real business- of curing cancer, exploring the cosmos, developing new artforms, technologies and scientific breakthroughs, speading health and enlightment and education, and ending the blindness of the mind about the mind.
The usual Muslim hypocrisy,these are the same Muslims that gloated about how the 19 Muslim
suicide pilots on 9/11 weren't "American-Muslims"
and the weak Government Security and Immigration
enforcement caused the attack for allowing
them to roam the Country on expired visa or
no landed immigrant status.
CAIR canada recently declared at a Islamophobia
inquiry for sensitivity training for Anti-Terrorism workers at Federal Levels, --this includes Custom Staff at Airports that use a perceived "Racial profiling" or "Anti-Muslim" mind set to make Muslims "Feel" like they're assumed to be a terrorist-- ,that 19 Sunni Muslims from Pakistan were profiled and rounded up by the RCMP and held without charges while
the media published some names and ruined their
life from perceived links to Terrorism.
CAIR had a ex-worker named Sheema Khan that supported this Islamophobia by the RCMP by pointing out that "Two of the 19 men did take flying lesson that went over a Nuclear Power plant,but they couldn't control what routes the School had that gave other students the exact
lesson " ,Sheema also said "The two men did wonder onto the property of the Nuclear Plant
near the water intake area,but they were just going to the beach and THAT's no illegal,lots of people go to the beach".
Sheema Khan is a main proponent for Shariah law in Canada for Muslims,and CAIR's "Survey" that confirmed "Racism" against Muslims and systemic "Islamophobia" was exposed as a bogus
sample of "Perceptions" that make Arab and Muslims "Feel" they're treated "Guilty before proven innocent" and thus forcing CAIR to coach Muslims through the "know your Rights" pocket
stye kit to "Never talk to the Police without a lawyer present" .
CAIR's survey was less than 500 people from their
professed support to 700,000 Muslims in Canada,
and about 80 percent of the annominous anicdotal "Racism" was from their Website
E-form that only regular visitors to CAIR's
site would fill out.
Sheema claims it's the fault of the Canadian Government for not making Muslims "Feel" safe by
working to stop the "bad" muslims from harming Islams peaceful teachings with terrorism in Canada.
Here's the problem to this paradoxical irony,the paranoia and denial within islams indoctrine of the mind set that THEY have the REAL God and
the people of the book are the enemy that are out to attack Islam, has helped the Jihadists and Islamists by enforcing that the Police are puppets for the Jews and Christians and that's why they question you so DON'T help them catch
other Muslims.
Note the fear was backlash to Muslims and not the slaughtering of non-Muslims civilians in Canada.
This reaction in Lodi was so predictable
yet if there was a terror attack the Police would be blame for allowing it to happen and now
cause backlash to the "Good" Muslims.
Paolo:
I'm wondering about you! Why would you take your computer to a Muzzie-shop?
Great work! Now we only need to sit back and watch and wait for the antichrist to rise from within their population!
Anymore gems of wisdom, oh wise one …?
Posted by: illustr8rg8r at June 10, 2005 04:44 PM
HE HAS ALREADY RISEN IT IS MO-HAM-OD!!!
THEY FOLLOW HIM NOW DON'T THEY WHO SIAD THE PERSON HAD TO BE IN THE FELSH IN THE TIME ??
THE MARK ON THE FORHEAD IS WHEN THEY BEAT THEIR HEADS WITH THE SWORD??
LOOK AT ubls[yellow coward who runs away] SIDE KICK AND HIS HEAD??? has a mark of the beast from the sword!!
LOOK AROUND THE WORLD MULSUM COUNTRIES STARVING NON-MULSUMS??
WHAT IS THE SAYING ABOUT IF I THINK OF YOU YOU ARE ALWAYS ALIVE??
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
SO HE SAID CHRISTIANS ARE INFIDELS AND SO NOW HAS OUR USA GOVERMENT BY MAKING OUR GUYS WEAR GLOVES TO TOUCH THEIR BOOK THEY HAVE ADMITED TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT WE ARE DIRT!!
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’
AND THAT IS A DEATH SENTANCE???
Qur’an 6:66
“The people reject this (Book) and call it a lie though it is the truth. Say: ‘I am not a warden over you.’ ...When you see men who meddle with Our Revelations, turn away, withdrawing from them. Satan makes you forget.
WHERE DO WE GET 666 BUT FROM THE QURAN??
Tabari VI:107 “Satan Cast a False Qur’an Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue.”
SATAN???
Bukhari:V4B54N506 “When a human being is born, Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers. That is why it cries.’”
SATAN??
Qur’an 89:21 “Nay, when the earth is made to crumble the Lord comes, His angels rank upon rank, and Hell is brought face to face, man will remember, but how will that avail him? For His Chastisement will be such as no other can inflict. None punishes as He will punish! None can bind as He will bind.”
THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT IS TO DESTROY WILL WE LET THEM??
Qur’an 68:51 “And the unbelievers would almost smite you (Muhammad) with their eyes, tripping you when they hear the Message. And they say: ‘Surely he is possessed!’”
YES HE WAS!!
Qur’an 68:44 “Then leave Me alone with such as reject this Message and call Our pronouncements a lie. Systematically by degrees, step by step, We shall punish them in ways they can not even imagine.”
THIS IS WHAT WE SEE AND THIS IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE!!!
Qur’an 69:43 “This is a Message sent down from the Lord of men and jinn [demons]. And if the Messenger were to attribute any false words to Us, We would seize him and cut his aorta. None of you would be able to stop Us. So truly this is a Message for those who fear. Yet We know that there are those who deny and belie (this Qur’an). But truly this (Qur’an) revelation is a cause of sorrow and anguish; the nemesis of unbelievers.”
YEA KILLING LOVE ONES HAS A WAY OF DOING THAT!!
Qur’an 74:32 “No, truly: I swear by the Moon as a witness, and by the darkness of night as it wanes. And by the dawn as it is unveiled, surely Hell is one of the greatest signs and gravest misfortunes, a warning to men.”
LOOK TO MULSUM COUNTRIES A LIVING HELL!!
Ishaq:132-3 “If this demonic spirit which has possession of you is such that you cannot get rid of him, we will find a physician for you, and exhaust our means trying to cure you. For often a demonic spirit gets possession of a man, but he can be rid of it.’ The Apostle listened patiently.”
THIS IS WHEN HE WAS !!!
Ishaq:106 “I stood gazing at him and that distracted me from committing suicide. I couldn’t move. Khadija sent her messengers in search of me and they gained the high ground above Mecca so I came to her and sat by her thigh. She said, ‘O Abu’l-Qasim [Muhammad’s actual name], where have you been?’ I said, ‘Woe is me. I am possessed.’”
POSSESSED!!!
Qur’an 74:32 “Truly: I swear by the Moon as a witness, and by the darkness of night.”
WHICH NOW HAS THE FLAG OF THE USA SO REALLY MULSUMS WORSHIP THE USA!!!
Qur’an 72:3 “There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter preposterous things, atrocious lies against the Lord; We Jinn [Devils] had thought that no man or jinn would ever say anything untrue about the Lord. But there were men who took shelter with the male jinn. But they (jinn) increased them in waywardness, folly, and revolt. And surely they came to think as you thought, that the Lord would not raise up any Messenger. We jinn pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with fierce guards, stern wardens and flaming fires. We used to sit there in, hidden in observatories, trying to steal a hearing; but any who listen now will find a shooting star and a flaming fire watching him, lying in wait as an ambush for him. And we Jinn know not whether harm or evil is the intended fate of all men on earth, or whether the Lord intends to give them some guidance.”
WELL WE HAVE 31,000 DEAD IN BAM AND OVER 200,000 DEAD IN INDONESIA??
Qur’an 67:5 “Your gaze turns back dazed and tired. We have adorned the lowest skies with lamps, and We have made them missiles to drive away the devils and against the stone Satans, and for them We have prepared the doom of Hell and the penalty of torment in the most intense Blazing Fire.”
HUH?? MUST BE THAT MATH THING AGAIN??
Ishaq:90 “Jewish rabbis, Christian monks, and Arab soothsayers had spoken about the Apostle of Allah before his mission when his time drew near. The rabbis and monks found his description in their scriptures. The Arab occultists had been visited by satans from the jinn with reports which they had secretly overheard before they were prevented form hearing by being pelted with stars.”
OH I GUESS IT WAS BEFORE MO-HAM-OD THE MATH THING??
Bukhari:V4B54N516 “The Prophet said, ‘If anyone rouses from sleep and performs ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blow it out thrice because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.’”
NOW I ALWAYS THOUGHT THOSE WERE BUGERS??
Bukhari:V4B54N509 “The Prophet said, ‘Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you during the act of yawning should say: “Ha,” Satan will laugh at him.’”
NOW THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SINCE??
Qur’an 22:52 “Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some vanity into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in.” [Another translation reads:] “He recited (the message) Satan proposed. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposes.” [A third claims:] “Satan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which Satan casts,” [A fourth:] “whose recitations Satan tampered with, yet Allah abrogates what Satan interpolates; and Allah will confirm His Signs/Revelations.”
SO HE WAS A SATAN FOLLWER!!
Ishaq:166 “‘You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from Allah, and you have said that which He did not say to you.’ The Messenger was grieved and feared Allah greatly. So Allah sent a revelation to him, consoling him and making light of the affair [of worldly bargains and Satanic indulgences]. He informed him that there had never been a prophet or messenger before who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had interjected them on Muhammad’s tongue and into his desires.”
COULD THAT BE THE SEX WITH CHILDREN PART???
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN
How many verses in the quran? 6666. Is that a strange coincidence?
http://www.pindiplus.com/kashif/archive/quran.php
Hey, I live in Lodi and I can understand the Pakistani's being afraid. My nephew got jumped and and wacked upside the back of his head with a tire iron becase he didn't commit to a gang color. If the creeps who are doing the drive by's up the street from me get to stoned they could be shooting at the thier houses. Fear in here on the East side of Lodi is pretty normal, and yet you can't buy a two bedroom dump for less than $280,000.
But then again it is nicer than Stockon, or so we tell ourselves.
Anyways they live in fear of some idiot jumping out of their car and beating the crap out of them and so do I and I don't have the Muslim thing going on. This is America for them, but not for me, because I am selling this house first chance I get and am moving on. The Jihadi's have nothing to do with it, though darn it when they own apartments it wouldn't hurt them to paint them every once in a while.
So Nick,
How large is the Islamic presence in Lodi?
Is it something that impacts you (other than run down housing), personally? And if so, daily, every now and then?
Talk it up.
Only $280,000?
You should check prices here at Lake Tahoe!
This from today's Sacramento Bee:
In Lodi, city leaders and law enforcement met Thursday with Pakistani community members who are concerned about a backlash. Lodi Mayor John Beckman said Muslim community members have reported taunting incidents.
The president of the Lodi mosque, Mohammed Shoaib, flanking Beckman at an afternoon news conference, pleaded for tolerance.
"I urge all my brothers, all of us in the Muslim community that we should stand together, not apart from ourselves, but together, and that our civil liberties should not be violated."
Moderate Muslims practicing CYA.
The best estimate I have seen is that there are 2000 or so Muslims in Lodi, a town of 60,000 or so. I think most of them are truck drivers so we don't really see them that often. It also seems like most of them live South of Lodi Avenue and North of Kettelman and of course east of the rail road tracks.
The Pakistani reputation is that they are very very insular, and never paint anything they rent out. One gets the impression that because they wear the the white nightshirts that they are holier than you, or at least the Mexicans.
As for Lodi. It is a pit, but since Stockton is only 10 miles south, it looks realy nice in comparison.
I bought this house two years ago for $170,000 and am seing comperables go for $300,000 - $340,000 and that is with the bullet holes in the for sale sign. Five years ago you could pick up the same for $90,000. This is on the East Side the cheap end of everything, but at least we have a Mosque.
The best estimate I have seen is that there are 2000 or so Muslims in Lodi, a town of 60,000 or so. I think most of them are truck drivers so we don't really see them that often. It also seems like most of them live South of Lodi Avenue and North of Kettelman and of course east of the rail road tracks.
The Pakistani reputation is that they are very very insular, and never paint anything they rent out. One gets the impression that because they wear the the white nightshirts that they are holier than you, or at least the Mexicans.
As for Lodi. It is a pit, but since Stockton is only 10 miles south, it looks realy nice in comparison.
I bought this house two years ago for $170,000 and am seing comperables go for $300,000 - $340,000 and that is with the bullet holes in the for sale sign. Five years ago you could pick up the same for $90,000. This is on the East Side the cheap end of everything, but at least we have a Mosque.
The best estimate I have seen is that there are 2000 or so Muslims in Lodi, a town of 60,000 or so. I think most of them are truck drivers so we don't really see them that often. It also seems like most of them live South of Lodi Avenue and North of Kettelman and of course east of the rail road tracks.
The Pakistani reputation is that they are very very insular, and never paint anything they rent out. One gets the impression that because they wear the the white nightshirts that they are holier than you, or at least the Mexicans.
As for Lodi. It is a pit, but since Stockton is only 10 miles south, it looks realy nice in comparison.
I bought this house two years ago for $170,000 and am seing comperables go for $300,000 - $340,000 and that is with the bullet holes in the for sale sign. Five years ago you could pick up the same for $90,000. This is on the East Side the cheap end of everything, but at least we have a Mosque.
Woooooooo! Hellooo fellow watchers! The good word is spreading! A newly enlightened friend from Ontario has recently had the wool pulled from over his eyes thanks to the good and brave work of people like Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Ali Sina, and many more! Thanks so much for the direction.
Interesting story: I was with some friends the other day and the topic of religion came up. Someone actually made some very complimentary remarks on Islam being a 'tolerent' and 'peaceful' religion. I couldn't help it, I broke out in hysterics. Everyone looked at me like I was some kind of ghoul. 'He couldn't possibly have done that' some were no doubt thinking. But... I repied: 'What? And have you actually read the Koran/Hadiths/etc?' Of course, none of them have. I have, numerous times (gotta know your enemy, non?). Apparantly, people in the news/school etc had told them so though. I politely suggested actually going to the bloody source(s), and also checking out what leading Islamic intellectual centres (Cairo, Saudi Arabia, et al) have to say about their own 'religion', as opposed to what they hear on the CBC- Canada's very own version of the BBC- and equally gutless and dishonest. Straight from the horse' mouth, so to speak. After a little bit of reading, I suspect that Jihad Watch and company might have some new friends soon along with me. Here's hoping.
Do I feel sympathy for the innocent Muslims caught in the crossfire (which rarely, if ever, really even remotely approaches CAIRs dire warnings, but bear with me)? Sort of. But here's a suggestion: END THE #@$%ING SILENCE! Speak out, and stop covering for these murdering #$%@ers, and in a CLEAR, NON-DISEMBLING ways, and REGULARILY too. Jeez... It would help prevent these so called backlashes just a teensy weeny bit I bet. Stop pointing the bloody finger at everyone else for a change, when this s#$% is comming outta YOUR communities, an NO ONE ELSES.
Peace to all my Kafir brothers and sisters!
Let the deportations begin. muslims Have overstayed their welcome in America. We owe them nothing - save a oneway trip back to the Middle East.
Revoke US citizenship as required.
Go, Johnny, Go!
Good post.
Waaaay too many WWII era Germans claimed not to know where all of those terrified looking visitors to their fair cities. They just checked into the 'hotel', and no one ever saw them again.
It's kinda like dog poop in the yard. You know it's there, but you're hoping the wife will clean it up. When you realize that ain't happening, you try not to step in any of it. Eventually you have to clean it up yourself.
Or like the 'crack house' down the street. Plenty of excuses not to call the police. Meanwhile, more and more people keep showing up there. Eventually, someone gets shot. And you know a phone call could have prevented that.
And our dear Muslim neighbors, who know that some of their bretheren are up to no good. But, because they're brothers and sisters, they either let it ride, or some even secretly support those activities. It's tough raising devout Muslim kids in a Kafir town like Lodi, you know. Gotta keep the FGMs low key. Without beatings, some of the girls don't want to wear a hijab. The wife wants to drive the F*(King car. By herself.
Man!
Get my violen out! Notice, those good moderate Muslims never seem to be able to control their own people. Wonder why?
In Lodi, city leaders and law enforcement met Thursday with Pakistani community members who are concerned about a backlash. Lodi Mayor John Beckman said Muslim community members have reported taunting incidents.
Posted by: PRCS at June 11, 2005 12:41 AM
Hey, PRCS,
Maybe "backlash" is a Muslim euphemism for "justice."
Woooooooo! Hellooo fellow watchers! The good word is spreading! A newly enlightened friend from Ontario has recently had the wool pulled from over his eyes thanks to the good and brave work of people like Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Ali Sina, and many more!. . . It would help prevent these so called backlashes just a teensy weeny bit I bet. Stop pointing the bloody finger at everyone else for a change, when this s#$% is comming outta YOUR communities, an NO ONE ELSES.
Peace to all my Kafir brothers and sisters!
Posted by: Jonny Kafir at June 11, 2005 04:30 AM
Great news, Jonny! What a lift it is to hear this!
Let the deportations begin. muslims Have overstayed their welcome in America. We owe them nothing - save a oneway trip back to the Middle East.
Revoke US citizenship as required.
Posted by: Havoc at June 11, 2005 05:42 AM
Havoc,
You bet. Remember Hugh's post about how Islam and many oaths (e.g., naturalization, membership in the Military, taking political office, etc.) are in direct conflict? Whenever Muslims take an oath, it is an act of perjury, and perjury is, last time I heard, against the law.
It seems to me we could use these oaths, and Islam's incompatibility with them, and the perjury they engage in when swearing or affirming them, as a really good starting point in marginalizing the ability of a lot of these people to function in some very important positions in this country.
Muslims could, by this means, be refused the privilege of becoming American citizens via naturalization; many could probably be stripped of their citizenship obtained via naturalization; we would not have to worry about which side soldiers are on when they are in the military; we could refuse to hire Muslims as Arabic translators, and instead, hire on the many Sephardic Jews who offered to do this after 9/11, but who were (shamefully) refused their offer; we would not have to wonder if Muslim legislators and judges were going to soften us up to become an Islamic country.
I sure wish teachers had to take an oath. Given the Islamic crap that's being fed down our children's throats in the government schools, often through lessons designed and implemented by Islamic groups and "mentors," it's a dangerous route for the Islamic fifth column, and should be closed off to them.
All we have to do is take the oaths seriously.
Catherine you have given me a great idea, how to subvert Muslim websites.
Post lots of long winded spams and irrelevant copy and pastes, pretending that I support their cause, and use lots of caps. Take up lots of bandwidth, spam the site, and distract the readers.
A great tactic. Thanks for the idea. I'll follow your example.
I don't like to do this on this forum, and I mean flame someone.
but that sounds like bullcrap, end times Hal Lindsay bull crap.
When you sign up for a number, the telephone company gives you what is available, often a previously disconnected number. There just aren't that many choices.
And The population of Alaska is not that large, certainly not large enough to permit a significant number of prefixes to enable a lot of Muslims to pick a 7902 telephone number.
And I have difficulty beieving that Alaska is a big draw for Muslim communities, they prefer their own enclaves in the lower 48.
There isn't much of a draw for Muslims in Alaska, especially with long winter nights and 6 months of the year without the sun.