Muslim-Catholic agreement hailed

"For some people, diversity is no obstacle," he said, noting that America is at its best when it respects peoples' religious differences."

King couldn't have said it better himself.

Yes, king, but those very same muslims you want us to tolerate are not reciprocating, are they? JW and DW are full of stories proving that point. If they wish to be taught in our schools, they should abide by our rules (separation of mosque and state), right? And that's just one example. If Christians can be barred from a host of activities in the schools (and they are, especially when the ACLU gets involved), then so should muslims. Yes? Instead of insisting on rights others do not get.

During his presentation, Syeed noted that Catholics and Muslims have a positive shared history that is often overlooked
WHat the same anti jewish stance briefly during WWII?
I dont think thats solid enough to build a platform on.

Is this agreement valid in Saudi Arabia?

(You know, the place where they shred bibles, and arrest christians?)

"For some people, diversity is no obstacle," he said, noting that America is at its best when it respects peoples' religious differences."

King couldn't have said it better himself.
Posted by: KingTolerance

KingTolerance,

Would you tolerate someone whose religious belief is to kill you?

Just curious.

I love diversity! Diversity is great!

Now, it's just too bad islam requires monoculture in order to survive.

Anything else, according to islam sources, seems to "distract" muslims far too much to be allowed to live. Those obstinate weeds in our glorious islamic fields! Will they not die?

Seriously, it's the "McDonald's" of world religions. Or perhaps "DeSanto" (fruit co.) would be a better comparison.

Geoff

One of the reasons this Roman Catholic gal was not chanting "Santo Subito" WAS indeed JPII's kissing of the Koran, hugging Arafat and providing cover for Saddam. Good guy in many ways but blind as to what our Eastern Catholic Rite brethren are suffering or else, even worse, an appeaser; that is now for God to decide.

Rochester, New York, for those of you who do not know the civil war going on in Catholicism today, is a hotbed of Ecumania and Vat II nonsense. There isn't a heresy they haven't embraced or nutty innovation they haven't tried. They most definitely do not speak for Traditionalists such as me and surely do not speak for the Church.

And KAOSKTRL, I know my Italian Catholic history and my people both clergy and lay did more to shelter and hide the Jews than any other country including FDR's closed door USA. 80% of Italy's Jewish population survived the War mostly because of Italians' (including the wrongly maligned Pius XII) distaste for the anti-Semitic laws Hitler wanted Mussolini to impose. After the War, the chief Rabbi of Rome converted to the Catholic faith taking "Eugenio" as his baptismal name in HONOR of PIUS XII. Jewish leaders of the time including Ben Gurion and later, Golda Meir, thanked Pius XII who had consistently spoken out since 1933 against Nazism and had hidden countless Jews within the Vatican, monasteries and nunnery walls. So shovel that anti-Catholic, anti-Italian Shi'ite somewhere else, buddy!

If only the Catholics would bother to read the Koran, which calls them a total fraud for deifying the Savior Christ Jesus, they might not be so willing to invite those whose sworn faith is to subjugate, or to destroy them, into their kafir and haram churches.

Muslim 'tolerance' is like Nazi 'science'.

Useful as long as it doesn't disagree with the needed result: global domination.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Strange fruit, as Billy Holiday once sang.

Skidd queried: "Would you tolerate someone whose religious belief is to kill you?"

King replies: I would not tolerate them anymore than I'd tolerate any other religious nut. In addition, being referred to as "The 'Vatican' of Catholic-Muslim dialogue," is a testament that many other people reject your premise and embrace mine. It's working, who knew?

BigDreamer grunted: "If only the Catholics would bother to read the Koran, which calls them a total fraud for deifying the Savior Christ Jesus, they might not be so willing to invite those whose sworn faith is to subjugate, or to destroy them, into their kafir and haram churches."

King replies: It seems that these Catholics are moving past the radical interpretations of the Koran and moving on to solving cultural and religious rifts. I invite you to do the same; you are under the spell of the same extreme drivel as the radicals themselves are and you are accepting the radical interpretation as final.

Pope Benedict would not agree. He understands very well the nature of Islam, the menace of Islam. I found all over Italy on a recent trip copies of a book of dialogues between Pope Benedict and Michele Pera, a professor and also the President of the Italian Senate, on such topics as the loss of identity of Western Christians, or rather those who have given up on Christianity and have rewritten their own histories to accommodate Muslm demands, and on the threat of Islam. If the Pope, and many clerics see what Islam is all about, perhaps Father Tiso (one hopes he is no relation to the infamous Archbishop Tiso, a Slovakian collaborator with the Nazis) should begin to look into the tenets of Islam, and into the history of Muslim treatment of all non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists) over 1350 years, and from Spain to the East Indies. The history is consistent with the theory: non-Muslims who have been conquered can be killed, immediately converted, or subject to a series of social, economic, and political disabilities that lead to a state of permanent humiliation, degradation, and insecurity. Anyone who wishes to open his mouth about Islam -- in Rochester or elsewhere -- must begin by studying what Islam actually teaches, and not what one is assured by smiling and plausible Muslim spokesmen, or their sinister or silly islamochristian apologists, Islam teaches. These are very different things.

The Pope is not fooled. Nor are many of the Cardinals. Nor are those Christians who have endured life as non-Muslims in Muslim countries (unless those Christians have so internalized dhimmitude, or in case of Christian Arabs, cannot separate Islam from the fact of arabtum, arabness).

All that is being asked of those who presume to speak about Islam is that they first learn something about what the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira teach Muslims to think about non-Muslims, about how to regard them, about how they are to be viewed. Is it with respect, or something else? Are they to be left alone -- or forced to endure something else?

The evidence is overwhelming. It all goes one way. And that is not the way that Father Francis V. Tiso thinks it should go. Perhaps, when the Pope is better informed about the goings-on of Father Tiso, he will -- given his own sober assessment of Islam, and backed by a growing number of others in the Vatican with direct experience of living in Muslim countries (such as Cardinal Biffi, who spent years in Istanbul) -- transfer Father Tiso to a position where he can do less damage to Catholicism, and the menace it, and all Christians, and all non-Muslims, face -- not least from those non-Muslims who out of ignorance or stupidity, persist in their dangerous refusal to understand what is staring them in the face.

Thoseout of ethnic -- i.e. Arab -- loyalty who became a war criminal). those "cattocommunisti" (Catholic-Communists) who have become promoters of the Faith -- the Muslim Faith -- and who are professional protects of Muslim immigrants in such places as Italy and France

This Muslim Catholic Agreement of Understanding and Cooperation has been around since the 7th century.

I think this sounds very positive on the surface.

I can't shake it from my mind that this could simply be a way of Moslems further undermining our culture by selling a view of Islam that is designed to disarm them from the true militant core of their religion.

Lets's not forget, Islam seeks to make the entire population of earth Moslem.

KT, if you don't like what other muslims are saying about the Quran, go whine to THEM. Complaining at us doesn't accomplish this lofty goal of reclaiming your religion, and it only allows the radicals to creep more and more control over the faith.

Geoff

BTW: It's official. KT's a muslim. Slipped up.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006473.php

KT, it's fine that you're islamic. But honesty from the get-go would have been better.

King Tolerance seems to think that the inveterately arrogant and violent repudiation, by representatives of Islam, of Christian Christology is a minor bump on the road to "dialogue" between Christians and Muslims.

I don't doubt that King Tolerance could easily persuade naive Western Christians of this; but I'd like to see him persuade the vast majority of Muslims of this.

Note: "Christian Christology" = Jesus Christ the human being is also God Almighty. If King Tolerance thinks that the majority of Muslims would be okay with that, he's dreaming.

Hugh,

I saw some excerpts from that "book of dialogues between Pope Benedict and Michele Pera" (actually it's Marcello Pera) i.e., "Senza radici. Europa, relativismo, cristianesimo, islam" -- and I noticed that every time Mr. Pera brought up the pernicious problem of Islam, Cardinal Ratzinger responded by completely avoiding the subject of Islam, instead going off on tangents about the problem of Western secularism.

I will soon order this book to see whether or not the excerpts I read reflect the general posture of Ratzinger/Benedict.

Remember, Ratzinger was John Paul II's devoted right-hand man, and John Paul II kissed a Koran when he should have spat on one.

As Bevc rightly said, the diocese of Rochester does not count. Next to the infamous diocese of Springfield, Illinois, Rochester NY is probably the worst ecclesiastical brothel in North America. It is notorious all over the Catholic world as everything a Catholic Church should not be: misbelieving, riddled with gays and child-abusers, lesbian nuns and "liberals" of all kinds - the kind of Church for which Giaour might find it in his heart to have a kind word, since it has completely rejected everything the Church ought to stand for. That it now is willing to be seen kissing Muslim arse in public is only one further step in its degradation.

King Tut Tut-

The "extremist" and "radical" "interpretation" you are trying to pretend I am ... what ... making up? IS what the Koran, Mohammad and Islam all proclaim: that Christianity itself is a colossal and contemptible fraud.

This IS the othodox, mainstream, tried-and-true, pure-'n-simple GOOD OLD Islam.

Maybe you need to re-read your guidebook.

Or perhaps remove head A from sphincter B.

"actually it's Marcello Pera"
-- from a posting above, correcting a misperceived mumble from Mnemosyne

Sorry to have gotten Pera's first name wrong (as "Michele"). I don't have the book with me anymore, so cannot consult it to see if my memory of Ratzinger showing, in his own statements, that he understands that Islam is not a "religion" like any other, holds up, or whether I too hopefully read into his remarks a meaning that was not there. I don't expect him to be Oriana Fallaci, of course, or Bat Ye'or, but I do think hisconstant emphasis on Europe's loss of "radici" in which he includes Christianity, and his remarks round and about the same themes as Pera, showed that he was keenly aware of the problem -- and by his silences also saying a good deal, when the usual pieties about "the world's great religions" could come so trippingly off his tongue, as they has for so many others among our Great and Good.

Hugh,

Good point about Pope Benedict's "silences"; given his position even as Cardinal and right-hand man of the Pope, I suppose he does have to exercise politic restraint.

Geoff, I was looking for that post (where KT said he didn't know much about islam) I'm glad someone else remembered that bit. If I find it tomorrow I'll post it.

Probably here;

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006364.php

The reason muslims try so hard to prove that Jesus is not God, is because, if he is, Allah is not. Mohammad set this up by declaring Jesus a prophet, and not the best one at that. The idea is not to reject Jesus outright, but to make him sit in the back of the bus.
Jesus cant be messiah in their eye's because they have their own savior. Al-Mahdi. Mahdi is supposed to appear soon(according to some, he is already here but invisible), he will gather a vast army in Afghanistan and conquer the world for Allah. Bush pretty much put a monkey wrench in those gears. Mahdi will have to go somewhere else...Syria?, Iran? Palestine? Berkeley, California USA might work...

Speaking as a Protestant,I note two areas of agreement with Islam: (1) God cannot be known unless He makes Himself known and (2) We can't both be right if thr Qur'an condemns me to Hell for confessing the deity of Jesus Christ and I accept as truth Jesus' claim "Before Abraham was, I AM." (John 8:58, cf. Exodus 3:14).

Then again, you can make the Bible say anything you want it to--provided you're dishonest and unscrupulous enough.