New U.S. Ambassador 'Horrified' By Iraq Violence

"How about the call for swift, and public executions of those captured???

HMMM???

Oh, I forgot...we have to be "Nice". It's better for PR."

WOW bill... define "nice" ! ! !

It has apparently become Holy Writ that the well-being of Iraq (defined by whom?), or the well-being of "Iraqis" (defined as whom?), or the well-being of Muslims everywhere who must be saved from the consequences of their own Lords of Misrule, their own inshallah-fatalism and love of luxury and idleness that explains their economic disarray (so much more fun to pass the time sitting with hubble-bubble pipes, watching Al-Jazeera, and becoming indignant at those terrible Infidels with their billions in foreign aid that is obviously part of their diabolical colonialism or neo-colonialism or post-colonial colonialism (choose 1), is in the interest of Infidels.

This is one of those unexamined propositions that does not stand up.

The best way to deal with the world of Islam, the Muslims who are in dar al-Islam and those who have managed to settle in the Lands of the Infidels, is not to make them comfortable, not to transfer even further wealth -- beyond the hundreds of billions transferred every year because of a grim accident of geology, money which in turn is used to fund various instruments of the Jihad, including mosques, madrasas, propaganda of every kind, bribes and the allure of business contracts, and so on.

If one believes that Islam represents a permanent meance to the wellbeing of Infidels and to their civilizations, such as they are, with all their faults and stupidities big and little, then one must not be fooled into thinking that either "poverty" (what nonsense: the most sinister and threatening Muslim countries are those like Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. and Iran; the least threatening, the impoverished Mali and Mauritania) or "absence of democracy" is what will do the trick. Many of those so-called "reformers," just like the North African lady who recently published a "daring" account of a muslima's sexual life (i.e., more or less an autobiography), may recognize that their own ruling classes are corrupt and depraved. But then on quite a few matters they immediately demonstrate that defensiveness about Islam that is such a feature of even the most "moderate" and seemingly "reasonable" of Muslims, whose mask comes off the minute Islam is seen to be criticized by Infidels in the mildest of ways. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, for example, no longer collaborates with the American Copts -- no, he appears to be collaborating more with the Muslim Brotherhood, in undermining the regime of Mubarak and Son. And of course Ibrahim's views on Israel, his complete inability to see the claim of Jews to their own homeland, with defensible borders, and their legal, historic, and moral claim to all of the West Bank and to Gaza, is something beyond his capacity. He simply cannot get his mind around it-- that is, he reamins, for all of his "reform" neither a vocal supporter of complete equality for the Copts (and perhaps a little apology for their treatment, in their own land, by Arabs who conquered, and subjugated them -- no, that is simply an impossibility in Muslim terms), nor someone who is prepared to end the relentless Arab Jihad against the Infidel sovereign state of Israel.

Islam is the problem. The Administration prates about "democracy being on the march in the Middle East" (it isn't) and then tells us, and asks us to take it on faith that somehow, in some way, "democracy in Iraq" (which would mean an end to Kurdish aspirations for independence, which should in fact be supported, and if carried out, would inevitably lead to Shi'a rule over Sunnis) will lead to a new country, a New Iraq where people think of themselves, magically, as Iraqis (oh, some do - perhaps as many as 5% on a good day) rather than as Kurds or Arabs, and among the Arabs, as Sunni Arabs or Shi'a Arabs. And that New Iraq, in turn, in defiance of Iraq's entire modern history, will become a "Light Unto the Muslim Nations." Nonsense on stilts.

But there are others, outside the Administration, who do not by this. And what do they say? Some recognize that there is a problem with Islam, but they still insist on a modifying adjective: not Islam, but "Wahhabi" Islam, or "Salafist" Islam or "extremist" Islam. Again, nonsense on stilts.

And they tell us that because there is this "good Islam" and these "good Muslims" whom we must under no circumstances alienate, it is important not to seem to be troubled by Islam itself, to try to weaken Islam itself or at least the hold it possesses over so many of its adherents, for otherwise there is "no hope." But "no hope" of what? Infidels cannot possibly continue to be confused by the idea that "moderate" Muslims (never adequately defined, or rather, when they are properly defined in a way that causes them to be no threat to Infidels, they simply disappear, do not exist except in infinitesimal numbers). It is important for Infidels to get things straight about Islam, and the promotion of the idea that "moderate Muslimsa are the solution" muddies the waters, obscures what should be clear, and holds out a forlorn hope which can be an excuse for further inaction, especially in Europe, where the indigenous Infidels need to be much more informed, and thus much more alarmed, than they are, with their dreams of "integration" of Muslims, and their dreamy belief in those same "moderates" that hardly exist, or if they exist nonetheless mislead abou the nature of Islam and the prospects for change, or if they do not mislead, can at any time metamorphose into "immoderate" Muslims -- prompted perhaps by personal difficulties that no Infidel is likely to discern, or be able to prevent.

It is only once Islam as an ideology is understood, when its tenets are understood, when the example of Muhammad (and the life of Muhammad, in every detail) is understood, when the history of Muslim conquest and subjugation of Infidels is understood (without the myth of Andalucia, without the exaggerations about the "great achievements" of Islamic culture that, looked at closely, become those mainly of transmission, of borrowing, and of relying on the fructifying presence of considerable numbers of Jews and Christians during the first few centuries after the initial Muslim conquest.

Then we will get somewhere, and the nonsense now coming out of those in the Administration who wish to continue the folly in Iraq, when Iraq presents the perfect place to exploit the two natural fissures within Islam -- the ethnic (the resentment of non-Arab Muslim for the supremacist Arab Muslims, which in Iraq has been expressed in the mass murder of Kurds by Arabs, and the overwhelming desire of Kurds for an independent state, which they deserve, and which would serve Infidel interests) and the sectarian (the growing resentment that Shi'a feel for Sunnis, not only in Iraq, but in Pakistan, in the eastern oil-bearing province of Al-Hasa in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait and in Bahrain, and of course in Iran itself, a Shi'a state that can be expected to aid fellow Shi'a while Sunnis, in turn, can be expected to aid fellow Sunnis).

Iraq presents a splendid opportunity. Let us not mess it up by continuing to remain there. Every single division within Islam should be exploited, and can be by simply leaving the place and its largely unpleasant and irremediably hostile people (yes, I know about the very nice pro-American bloggers in Iraq, all five or six of them, out of 25 million people. They do not move me nearly as much as do the American soldiers whose lives have been disrupted, or changed utterly when they are wounded, or ended forever)

We want not to "stay the course" if the "course" itself is based on a faulty understanding of Islam. We want to "change course" if by so doing we can achieve our real aims -- which are to contain Islam, to buy time in order to let other Infidels come to comprehend, despite the vast army of Arab hirelings and Muslim apologists (or rather, apologists for Islam, many of whom are non-Muslims) abroad in the lands of the Infidels, and to help create the conditions in which, I will repeat for the hundredth time, the political, economic, social, and intellectual frailures of the Muslim lands and peoples, over a very wide area, and for a very long time, can be seen to be directly related to the tenets, to the attitudes, to the atmospherics of Islam itself, or that Islam naturally promotes.

Will no one in Congress stand up and relate the desire to end the misallocation of resources -- of men, money, materiel, military morale, and attention -- not to the goals of appeasers and pacificists, but to those who want us out precisely because the Jihad is a menace, and the menace is world-wide, and the menace will not be mitigated in the slightest by creating, over years and years, a preposterous Light Unto the Muslim Nations in the Land Between the Two Rivers.

Will no one in the military, or in the Pentagon (really, can no one spring for a ticket for J. B. Kelly, or Bat Ye'or, or both of them to come to the Pentagon and explain exactly why Bernard Lewis and his acolytes should not be taken as the last word on Grand Strategy in Iraq or, for that matter, anywhere else in the Muslim world, or in dealing with Muslims in Europe? Not enough money in the budget?

Here, we'll take up a collection. For those of us -- the growing numbers -- of those appalled by the idiocy and the waste now on display in Iraq, and the failure to recognize the real opportunity for demoralizing, splitting, and containing Islam that Iraq presents -- will turn our pockets inside out, if only such people can be given a hearing.

DIKI DERBAN CRYING ON THE SENATE FLOOR BUT NO REAL SORRY STILL CAN'T HEAR HIM HE SAID WE WERE WORSE THAN POL POT HOW MANY DEAD COUPLE OF A MILLION DIKIE SAID WE WERE LIKE THE NAZIS WELL HOW MANY DEAD 12 MILLION SAID WE WERE LIKE STALIN WHAT 20 MILLION DEAD HOW MANY DEAD IN GETMO 0!!!!

NO THAT SORRY WAS A I AM TRYING TO COVER MY ASS???

HELL THE FBI KILLED 2 AT RUBY RIDGE A BABY IN IT'S MOTHERS ARMS STANING IN THE DOOR OF HER KIT???

HOW MUCH DID THET COST COUPLE OF A MILLION??

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/21/mexico.lawless.city.ap/index.html
Mexico's Zetas: Soldiers defect to drug cartel
Drug gangs clash in lawless city
Tuesday, June 21, 2005; Posted: 2:13 p.m. EDT (18:13 GMT
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico (AP) -- Zooming around in sport utility vehicles bristling with weapons, Mexican soldiers-turned-drug hit men have taken this border city to the brink of anarchy, infiltrating local police and threatening anyone who gets in their way.
Residents and law enforcement officials say the men are the feared Zetas, former members of a military intelligence battalion sent to the border to fight drug trafficking. Instead, they joined the Gulf Cartel, one of Mexico's top drug gangs. They adopted the name Zetas -- a radio code for a military commander -- recruited followers and made the city of 300,000 their home base.
For the past two years, the city of tree-covered plazas and hacienda-style restaurants has lived in a state of siege. Many residents are afraid to leave their homes at night, and few tourists venture over from Laredo, Texas, leaving the city's handful of horse-drawn buggies idle.
Killings and police corruption became so brazen that President Vicente Fox was forced to send in hundreds of troops and federal agents in March, and the only man brave enough to take the job of police chief was gunned down hours after he was sworn in this month.
Since then, soldiers and federal agents have flooded the streets, patrolling in trucks and setting up checkpoints. Still, daytime street killings are commonplace.

ARE THE DEMOCRATS AND ALL THE STALLS IN THE SENATE GOING TO CAUSE THIS KIND OF THING IN THE USA???

Since January, more than 70 people have been killed in Nuevo Laredo, compared to 65 for all of 2004.
Extortion and bullying
The Zetas rule with fear, threatening police and city officials and extorting money from businesses, including restaurants, car dealerships and junkyards.
"They came and intimidated anyone who had influence or power in this city," said a businessman who asked not to be named for fear of reprisals. "They made it clear they owned the city."

AND DIKIE CRIED NEWSWEEK LIED AND PEOPLE DIED!!!!

DEMOCRATS BASH THE PEOPLE WHO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY EVERY DAY EVEN THE YOUNG PEOPLE I TALKED TODAY ARE SICK OF THEM !!!!

DIKIE STILL DIDN'T SAY SORRY AND WHAT IF HE DID DIDN'T WORK FOR TRENT???

NO DIKIE HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!

SO ONCE AGAIN THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE SHOW THEIR HATE BY NOT TRY-ING TO SAVE THE UN=AL=LON BY KEEPPING OUT BOLTON THE UN WILL FALL!!

ME I HOPE IT DOES FALL IN TO THE HELL IT HAS BROUGHT THE WORLD!!!

DIKIE CRIED NEWSWEEK LIED AND PEOPLE DIED!!!

HEAR THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST IN IRAQ ARE GOING TO START USEING IRAQIS TO SHOW THEY WANT MONEY TOO??

HELLO YOU DEAD MONEY NO GOOD!!!!

MOTHER SAID GOD IS STILL OUT THERE AND HEARS BOYSCOUT FOUND ALIVE!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN

PS
DIKIE DERBAN SHOULD BE MADE TO WATCH WHAT THESE ISLAMIC TERRORIST DO THE CUTTING OFF OF HEADS AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF VIDEOS OF THEM FOR THESE DEMOCRATS TO WATCH!!!

Hugh,

I'll pony up too. I'm constantly amazed at the sheer lack of any understanding of the enemy by this administration. Our President is being ill-served by his advisors, very ill-served. His legasy will suffer for it, but apparently no one around him has the wherewithall to investigate all his options. He's being given a ridiculously narrow range of options due to the overall lack of knowledge among his advisors. It's inexcusable and a lot of people should be fired.

I personally don't think Dr. Rice has a dishonest bone in her body. She really believes the Sharansky line that has reinforced this idea of Light Unto the Muslim Nations.

I also actually thought there was a small chance that democracy would "open a door" and release people from Islamic domination, but as soon as I realized our admin. didn't even know not to allow Islam into the constitution, then I knew we'd been had.

Now it's just a matter of trying not to allow ourselves to be viewed by history as complete and total idiots - transferring even more blood and treasure to them before they dissolve into an Islamically-inspired mess of some kind or other.

Rebecca

Rebecca wrote..Now it's just a matter of trying not to allow ourselves to be viewed by history as complete and total idiots - transferring even more blood and treasure to them before they dissolve into an Islamically-inspired mess of some kind or other.

Too late!! We're writing their history right here!

What has become clear is that Esposito and Lewis, SuperDhimmis (I think I may start a website and list these guys and their astounding dhimmi statements of exceptional stupidity. anyway), they are 'in control'. Could it be, that our government's 'big picture' is being dictated by these two superdhimmis? And no one questions it, no one has a clue? Looks that way.

"...our admin. didn't even know not to allow Islam into the constitution"

Get real. That compromise could not be avoided, no matter how many books by Robert Spencer or Ibn Warraq they read. I agree that a constitution "without Islam" would have been the best option, but it would have never seen the light of day.

Catherine-

I noticed that Derbin phrased his mock apology the way all con-men work.

Instead of accepting that he did anything wrong, he went for the passive-voice 'deflect their anger strategy'.

"I'm sorry (Sniffle...)if you were offended by my words..."

In plain language:

"I'm not sorry for what I said, just that you were offended by something I still refuse to accept as mistaken. You're a bunch of idiots."

"I apologize (Sob...!) if my words were taken to mean our servicemen and women were like Nazis..."

In plain speak:

"If you can't figure out what I'm really saying, which is to slander the leadership and to undermine the present administration in any way possible to regain political power for my own cabal, you're a pack of morons. So the hell with actually apologizing sincerely for anything I said. I'm still correct in calling the U.S. military modern day death camp guards, KGB goons and communist clone mass-murderers, -but maybe this emotional obfuscation will placate you thin-skinned, right-wing jerks."

"My remarks (Whimper...!) may have crossed the line..."

In plain speak:

"Or maybe they didn't. Can't a guy make his own country look like a terrorist state without somebody getting all riled up? What's wrong with you people! Jerks!!!"

Derbin's a mealy-mouthed egg-sucking weasel, trying to boo-hoo-hoo his way out of a self-dug pit, but just digging deeper while failing to say the simple human things needed to douse the flames of this self-ignited fiasco.

"I am sorry. I was wrong."

"I was offensive."

"I apologize to our brave men and women in uniform. My words were thoughtless and completely crossed the line."

"Please accept my resignation."

(Are they handing out ice skates in Hell yet?)

Rebecca-

Jack Teagarden to Fats Waller, and then Fats Waller to Jack Teagarden, and then both of them at the same time: "That's what I like about you."

"Esposito and Lewis, SuperDhimmis..."
-- from a posting above

Esposito and Lewis have almost nothing in common, and it is unfair to Lewis to link him in any way to John Esposito, the lean, mean jogger and author of coffee-table books (lots of Iznik tiles, Turbaned Turks, and Blue Mosques to make you forget that he hasn't bothered to tell you the central tenets of Islam, nor much else of importance), a tireless collector of other peoples' "contributions" that he can edit, and even the writer of books that have consistently been guides to nothing and to nowhere. But alon with that daily jog, Esposito has been careful to locate rich supporters. In his case, it has been a Lebanese family of contractors who first set him and his "Center for Muslm-Christian Understanding" up -- and had it strategically placed where it could do the most good (in the making of policy, or rather in molding the minds of policymakers and members of the Washington press corps), at Georgetown University. The Reverend Jams V. Schall, who tells the truth about Islam, must not be pleased. Nor Pope Benedict, if the shenanigans of Esposito, Voll, and Haddad are ever brought to his attention by, say, Cardinal Biffi.

Lewis is grounded in the languages of the MIddle East, is very intelligent, writes beautifully, can delicately dismember someone like Edward Said, and has been the object of cheap attacks by Esposito and a pack of MESA Nostra wolves. He had to endure English antisemitism, including that of the Foreign Office, and PLO groupies (think of St. Antony's College, Oxford), and the kind of people at MESA Nostra who are embarrassed by him, cannot dismiss and cannot deal with him, and simply try to label or ignore him.

Esposito is not a real scholar at all. He is a guide to nothing. Lewis, when he writes about Augustus Slade, or Edward Said, or "The Political Language of Islam" (possibly his best book, along with "The Multiple Identities of the Middle East") is wonderful.

But he also has had for decades close personal and professional ties to Turkey. In 1953 he suggested that the re-writing of history by Turksih nationalists, to claim credit for everything that had taken place in Anatolia since the Hitties, and to establish the Turks as the "Sun-People," was an understandable tampering of history for laudable ends.

He has done some tampering himself, almost entirely ignoring the subject of the treatment of non-Muslims under Muslim rule. This important topic, this huge topic, this topic that had been ignored for so long, was taken up, and dealt with splendidly, by the lone independent scholar Bat Ye'or. Lewis has not exactly been supportive of Bat Ye'or, though he may -- begrudingly -- be coming around. He never aided her career, but may even have suggested, to friends in Israel, that she not be invited to this or that event. Nonetheless, she has made her own way, and her scholarship is winning the day despite others who do not like what she has uncovered and who try, like Lewis, to belittle her work as "polemical." It will not do.

He should be thinking a bit more about posterity. He has added his voice to the chorus of those predicting the islamization of Europe, if nothing is done. He does not suggest what might be done. Perhaps he has no idea, or is afraid to make the more obvious suggestions (see the Benes Decree of 1946, about the expulsion of the Sudeten Germans because to the Czcechs they now represented a permanent security threat).

If he really thinks Islam is just hunky-dory, that there is nothing to worry about, then of course he was only making an observation: Europe will be islamized. If, however, he knows what islamization would mean for the Infidels, for their civilization, for their political and social arrangements, for free expression, for skeptical inquiry, for art and science and the rights of non-Muslim minorities, then he should stop promoting, through constant misstatements about Islam and a "democratic tradition" or about the airbrushed history of Iraq he likes to present, and tell far more of what he knows -- or at least we allow ourselves to believe he knows -- than he, after a lifetime of caution, of Aesopian language, of velvety velleities, appears capable of doing.

But he should not be mentioned in the same breath, or squeezed into the same period, with John Esposito. Esposito belongs rightly in the scruffy company of non-jogging Karen Armstrong, or "Lyrical Ballads" - no, I mean "Lyrical Suras" Michael Sells, and Carl Ernst, and the rest of that crew.

Lewis belongs with Maxine Rodinson before he, Rodinson, saw the light (see what Rodinson wrote about Ibn Warraq), or with Claude Cahen, another elegant scholar capable of the higher apologetics.

I haven't read a great deal of Esposito but what I have read, he was not coming over as a scholar, more of a hobbyist.