Here is a video of American Muslims stomping on and then ripping up an American flag. Just before they rip it up one of them places a sign on it that says, "Oh Muslims! Do you know your enemy? Isn't it obvious?"
But if we even ask how many Muslims in America think this way, CAIR will bellow about discrimination and Islamophobia. So attention is diverted from activities such as what is shown in this video, and they can continue unheeded.
(Thanks to all who sent this in.)
Well it takes couragous people to step on a flag - unlike those who actually face the terrorists daily in all the hot spots across the world.
The American flag is but a symbol that represents freedom, you don't need to see it to feel in your heart. Alot of people died for that symbol, therefore I don't find it respectful to stomp, burn, or rip the flag. But I'm sure these people could do the same thing to their flag in their own countries of origin with no confrontation from their own governments.
These people are only exercising their freedom of speech - whatever it may be. I do have a problem with the "Muslims know who your enemy really is" statement. These people are uncivilized and dangerous. Like I've said before immigration should stop immediately for ME countries until they can catch up mentally.
I noticed they seem to be white converts.
Amazing how I, as an American, am supposed to tolerate the desecration of my Nation's flag -- the symbol for which thousands of Americans have died to allow the rest of us to live in relative safety and prosperity, but the mere notion that a Koran was flushed down the toilet is excuse for Muslims to murder, rampage and protest.
Obviously, I don't tolerate it. That's why I speak out about the simple truths confronting us all:
Islam is the enemy.
Laurel-
How intolerant. (Bordering on Islamophobic.)
You want them to have to wait another 1350 years?
Just because they wish to destroy the Constitution and enslave everyone who doesn't convert to their creed, -that's a reason to deny them their "basic human right" to emigrate to the place they hate?
Shame on you.
Next you'll want to fumigate the houses in New Orleans to prevent the Formosan termites -shipped in by mistake after WWII in wooden military crating material- from eating the entire old city to sawdust!
Or use chemotherapy against helpless cancer cells.
Where will your reckless crusading stop!
Radical!
Oh, one important question: where was this desecration done -- a Muslim community somewhere in Michigan? Because I can tell you, I'm a pretty stable character until provoked, but listening and watching this video, if I had been present there would have been word exchanged at the very least.
The day will come soon when such displays of evil will not go without confrontation in this country.
American Muslims stomping on and then ripping up an American flag. Just before they rip it up one of them places a sign on it that says, "Oh Muslims! Do you know your enemy? Isn't it obvious?"
Yes, it is obvious...This is Allahs doing...
Allah knows everything. Not everything Allah know's about, comes about. Allah knows about things that are not going to happen. Allah predestined himself to know about things that are not predestined, even though they 'are' predestined, because he knows about them. So what does Allah do with the things he predestined, but are not going to happen? Why he gives them to his muslims, of course. Muslims have all kinds of ideas that are not going to happen. The Quran "aint happening", Mohammad's dead, and Islam is imploding from idea rot. Scapegoating these dead ideas to various enemies, desecrating flags, ranting and raving, projectile vomiting of threats are symptoms of non-cognition leading to mis-cognition. The results are jihad, fighting for Allah's causes that are not going to happen anyway.
Getting into heaven under these circumstances is "iffy". Allah's heaven is another of his predestined projects that he gave up on, because cheap labor is hard to find. But he predestined that he would tire of it and give up, so it's ok.
Allah knows best...
"...one of the loopholes of this government [is Freedom of Expression]..."
Wow, if that isn't a Freudian slip, I've never heard one...
A LOOPHOLE, he calls it! Our basic right to speak our minds in public is a LOOPHOLE, evidently to be fully exploited by the enemies of our nation that live amongst us, eh?!
Remember that statement in this video, folks. It is one of the most telling things I've heard come out of the mouth of a Muslim-American yet...
'Muslim-American' LOL. A contradiction if I've ever seen one.
And one more thought -- not ONE person on that street confronts these men. Especially not one MUSLIM-AMERICAN -- and they are obviously milling around nearby when the camera pans.
Anyone surprised?
I didn't think so.
Foehammer...I just caught that on my way out...
It was an Islamic slip...the only people with free speach in his view are himself and whoever agree's with him. The rest are just slipping through the loophole he mentions. The last thing Islamics want is "really" free speach...scares the hll out of them...
I tried to feeze the frame with a car license. I think the plate was a New York plate, although I could be mistaken. Did I hear correctly...did the speaker make several mentions of Latin America? I was distracted by his repeated pronounciation of the word "Mooooslem." Yes, the gaggle of four or five looked like home-grown Americans. I also noticed the group gathered across the street. No one seemed to have a problem with the action going on, at least as was seen in the video. They looked Middle Eastern, and their disengaged gazes seem similar to the expressions of many Iraqis as they look on as their fellow citizens lay dead in the streets. Maybe it's a Mooooslem look...
What scum. They stand in the street and do that knowing that the flag they are steping on represents the very freedom they are exercising. If they were just about anywhere else in the world they would be either beaten, killed, and or arrested.
Muslims just go to an Arab country. Get out of the United States if you don't like it. We don't want or need scum like the makers of that video.
It looks like they are in NY. I know if I walked by something like that - well my big mouth would get in the way.
Foehammer
It looks to be taking place in a racially mixed part of New York or New Jersey. In the crowd there are a couple of Sikhs who are looking on perplexed/amazed along with white people. It appears that the fanatics are white converts.
The stupidity of these people is amazing. Well, i call it stupidity, but actually it is not. It is sheer wickedness and evil. They say that you are safe to defile the flag and speak out here, unlike in your own Muslim country (this is addressed to Muslims, he is not addressing the crowd there, he is addressing the Muslim audience in cyberspace....). So what to normal civilised human beings is the greatness of America is to this person its weakness, that he can say what he likes, even defile its flag, as opposed to Islamic countries, where you can do nothing. He then equates this freedom with another moral failing and 'evil' of America, that in America this freedom permits women to strip naked for the delectation of men. There are always sexual elements to Islamic outrage.
These guys are lucky they live in a country that allows them to do this. It's ironic that Muslims would come to the United States to protest the United States and use the freedoms that we offer. If we don't put a stop to this there is no chance for our nation to exist. If there is no allegiance to our country for these people then certainly it would not be hard for them to injure our people, poison our lands, and do whatever they felt in the name of allah. When is our government going to wise up and realize that islam is a political movement?
This type of thing, organized as it seems to be, is nothing more than pychological warfare. The intent would seem to be to insight violence in the streets.
Perhaps they want to stir counter protests. I can just imagine the uproar if someone started a "Operation: Desecrate the Koran" campain where Korans or effigies of Korans where dissed on the street.
Islamists leave if you don't like it.
Yes, they did this "brave" act in a muslim part of their city. I wonder what would have happened if they had tried it when out-numbered by kufr. I hope our people would have at least protested.
The reference to Latin America is their attempt to get hispanic people to come over to their side. Do you think islam gives a damn about how any human being is treated? This is going to be very bloody. When I hear allah ackbar, I want to puke!
The whole purpose of this video is for propaganda for Muslims around the world who feel castrated and smoulder in Islamist rage. So this group of fanatics set up a stall somewhere in New Jersey or New York (note there are children walking around with their parents in the background)
The references to Latin America is part of the taqiyah of associating the Islamo fascist mission with the 'anti-global' mission for fighting 'in-justice'.
It turns small minded Jihadi's of the revivingislaam.com kind to see this 'guerilla' stunt. They feel a little relieved....look at our brothers! They have spat straight into the eye of Satan! On the streets of America we defiled their flag! Look how strong we are! We are so brave....verily Allah knows best etc etc etc
Note how the camera focusses on the stomping of the flag. This is the money shot for the Jihadi's. It is porn for the Jihadi, to be (metaphorically) masturbated over after reading and fantasising of splitting someone's spine and ripping their brain apart etc etc
Carolyn2
How can you tell it was done in a Muslim part of the city? The majority of the people passing by and in the crowd look white or Hispanic. There is one Sikh man in the crowd. Also one South Asian woman who gets trapped between the Jihadis and the cars in front. The also chose a place where there is lots of busy traffic, so that they blend into a lot of bustle and there is effectively a moat of fast moving cars between themselves and the main crowd. It looks to be a racially mixed place, but you couldnt describe it as a majority Muslim area.
Most of the women were wearing hijab. I thought it looked like mostly middle-eastern people.
If we don't put a stop to this there is no chance for our nation to exist.
Posted by: Tomilio
The European preachers of "Tolerance" and "Diversity" welcomed Muslim immigrants into non-Muslim lands [many supposedly for 'assylum' reasons] - only to move themselves out - once the 'poison' took root.
Here is America - once the 'poison' takes root [which is well on its way] - where will the "Diversity" and "Tolerance" preachers flee to then?
Forgive me - But I find it in someways - Justifiably Funny!
On second viewing of the video, maybe it isn't in a muslim part of the city. Nobody seems all that interested. I can't imagine that being allowed where I live. These guys would have been confronted pretty quickly.
Carolyn
I didnt see any hijab wearing women. I think the whole point of this is so that the Jiahdis sitting in their bedrooms around the world can see a demonstration of Muslim defilement of the flag in front of a crowd of Americans. If they were to simply do it in a Muslim area in front of a crowd of Muslims it wouldnt prove anything. They want to appear brave and they want to appear as though they are courageous. Thats why they chose this area. It might have a few South Asian migrants but most of the people are white. They are addressing the Muslims around the world jerking off to the video, who get turned on by the sight of Old Glory being defiled.
They chose a place where they knew they could make this point.
On second viewing of the video, maybe it isn't in a muslim part of the city. Nobody seems all that interested. I can't imagine that being allowed where I live. These guys would have been confronted pretty quickly
Exactly. They are essentialy chicken. They chose a busy thoroughfare in a part of town where they attract a perplexed crowd, then they run away as fast as they set their stall up. Its pathetic, laughable and pathetic. Its porn for the revivingislam.com crowd. Cowards, chickens, psycho's.
"O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"
Francis Scott Key, 1814
Carloyn,
When they do this in Southern Small Town America - then I might say they have some balls. Better yet - let them go to Alabama, South Carolina, or North Carolina and put on this little show....
"...One of the loop-holes of this government [USA] is the freedom of expression..."
Loop-holes?!
How more clear can it be that Islamists would use this "loop-hole" of freedom of expression to bring down the USA?
NOTICE HOW THEY SAY ONE OF THE LOOP HOLES??
WELL THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SUV RAMP RAGE OOPS THE BRAKES WENT OUT!!!
WHAT CITY WAS THIS THESE MONSTERS JUST ADMITED ON TAPE THEY ARE AT WAR WITH THE USA THAT IS NOT A LOOP HOLE READ THE BACK OF YOUR PASSPORT!!
MAYBE A FEW GOOD AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE TO THE STREETS AND TEAR UP SOME MULSUM COUNTRIES FLAGS YES WE HAVE THAT FREEDOM!!!
HE SAID HE HAD A PERMIT SO THEY KNOW WHO THESE TRATIORS ARE!! JAIL TIME FOR DECLAIRING WAR IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA!!
HE WAS WRONG ABOUT THE LOOP HOLE IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO YELL FIRE IN A CROWED THEATER OR INSIGHT VILANCE AGAINST AMERICANS!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
THIS VIDEO SHOULD INRAGE EVERY AMERICAN LET NOT THEM BE DECIVED BY THESE MONSTERS THEY DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO DO OR SAY WHAT THEY DID!!!
AMERICANS WAKE UP THESE MONSTERS WANT TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN!!
Cathrine,
I like to read your posts, but why all caps?
I need a favor. I'm cursed with a cheap, inferior computer that can't download/watch video.
Please tell me if the video of this thread depicts the same event as this audio link of a Muslim public "desecration" of the American flag:
http://www.thehaq.com/multimedia/videos/053%20desecrate_flag.wmv
Thanks,
metaxy
They claim to have a permit. I doubt it. Police would not permit any type of demonstration so close to the traffic. Police tend to control the site and movements of permitted demonstrations.
metaxy
Yes, its the same thing.
Cathrine,
I like to read your posts, but why all caps?
Posted by: Laurel at June 8, 2005 12:06 PM
My eyes get silly on me and ??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and CCourage to stay the corse to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorst and ALL who Support them Amen
I just sent this video to Bill O'Reilly and Linda Vester at Fox News. Hopefully it will get wider exposure.
Catherine, This makes me mad enough to use all caps too!
I do not suppose that the public even realized that these were Muslims. The American public is used to such scenes - I am told that it happened all over San Francisco when they realized that Kerry had lost. This is not SF, but it is the next best thing - New York. The public must have taken them for a bunch of Democrats demonstrating their patriotic indignation.
Militant Islam Monitor has quite a bit about them. They are in NYC as many have guesses.
...guessed
As a Canadian, I'm not terribly up on American law, but didn't the US at one time have laws regarding desecration of its flag and enforce them?
waterdragon52:
This link among many others you can Google, shed light on your question --
http://www.customcpu.com/ait/ksouther/flag/p37.htm
The short answer to your question though is: Yes.
I have never posted here but for me as an American this is nothing short of treason- end of story. They should have been jailed and those who are immigrants should be deported under grounds of treason. The primitive thoughts that went through my head when I watched these images, I will keep to myself. I would like to see them do this in my home town of Spokane, WA. (get a rope-lol)
Speaking of imperalism and how oppressive the U.S. is (baloney)!! He stated that the non-believers will hate Islamic dominance but basically too bad!! I am half Greek, so I know how Islam oppressed the people of the Balkans and Anatolia for almost 500 years.
These little traitors should be hunted down and dealt with but with our current PC government it will not happen. We need someone like Gen. Patton for President!!!
I think it's good they are doing this - show the world what islam is: Anti american, anti freedom, barbaric, violent, etc.
I'd rather have them jumping around outside yelling allah ackbar than in some cave in the US. This way we know who they are, where they are, and what they are up to.
I hope more of these kinds of things are planned because this stuff is Anti-jihad GOLD Jerry. Gold!!!
As for the place, the yellow taxi said NYC on the back door.
This should get as much exposure as possible. These "Muslim Thinkers" believe that free speech and freedom means being able to do and say anything they want with impunity. How mistaken they are!
The hypocrisy of making the accusation of "Islamophobia" after such a stunt.
The flag case decided some years ago was probably decided wrongly. Setting fire to a flag, stomping on a flag, is not articulate speech, and those who wrote the First Amendment were not intent on protecting mere emotion. There is also the "fighting words" exception to the First Amendment freedom of speech, an exception that has fallen into desuetude but might well be revived.
If someone stomps on a flag, we do not know what that person is articulating. Is that person expressing the view that 1) I hate America, or Amerika 2) I hate a specific American policy 3) I hate a particular party or person in power 4) I hate the world, or The System 5) I want to Question Authority
and so on, ad infinitum, simply add water and stir.
No, because we cannot reduce the act to articulate speech, and hence have no idea of the precise "meaning" of the expression, it should not necessarily be entitled to protection.
And meanwhile, any non-citizen should be deportable -- if there is not a law, let's pass on -- for desecrating the flag or other symbols of the American polity. There is no need to keep futzing around. We are not making the world according to what Irene Khan or Anthony Romero or Kenneth Roth, to list three highly doubtful people (Khan is a Muslim who has not exactly been forthright in making any connection between, say, the mistreatment and murder of non-Muslims in Bangladesh and the attitudes that Islam deliberately engenders toward non-Muslims); Kenneth Roth is highly selective in his Human Rights Watch targets, and like Irene Khan (she of the self-discredited Amnesty International), has a record of supporting such people as Joe Stork (google him for his long history of anti-Israel activity, which virtually defines his life), and as for Romero, his ACLU has nothing in common with the dignified and intelligent ACLU of the 1950s. Roger Baldwin must be turning over in his Beetlebung Corner grave.
I agree with one of the earlier poster who suggested that this is great footage that needs widespread dissemination.
What they don't get is that we would defend to the death their right to express themselves. But if their expression steps one iota over the line of speech and into the realm of hostile action, they will experience what many of their brothers in Afghanistan and Iraq endure now every day in their final fleeting moments at the sharp end of a Marine rifle platoon.
Like I said, this is great stuff. Let them all come out of the shadows. Let the median voter in America learn from the horse's mouth what the proponents of the Islamic ideology have in mind for them and their families. Let them hear the truth.
This sort of demonstration guarantees that at the end of the day the median voter will have no problem providing all the political will necessary to eradicate the scum who indeed harbor violent intent for them and their families.
I saw something last night about the Uniting Church in Australia which wouldn't allow a man to be buried in a coffin with the Australian flag, because it thinks that the Australian flag is offensive to certain sections of the community.
Voltaire, that sounds a lot like the Jehova's Witnesses.
Jehovah's ↑
Isn't there a law against desecrating the US flag in the United States?
Either state of federal?
If not call your congressman and senator, this isn't free speech.... this is inciting violence...endangering the health, safety and welfare of the American people....
P.S. send the video too.........
I believe the Supreme Court ruled years ago that it is an expression of free speech to desecrate the flag, so it is legal. I don't know if this free expression extends to non-citizens, but it probably does. These filthy muslim scumbags are probably naturalized American citizens, paying tribute to their adopted country and manifesting the sincerity of their oaths of allegiance to America. This is a clear violation of that oath, as are the fulminations emanating daily from mosques and the mouths of muslim "leaders" in America. But for some reason, these violations are summarily ignored.
Demonstrations such as this clearly reveal the diabolical agendas of the participants. I believe they are orchestrated for an overseas audience to portray an illusion of apathy on the part of Americans, and to give the impression that America is ripe for the picking. Come on over and join the jihad; we'll knock 'em dead. There is not one muslim country in the world that would tolerate its own citizens attacking the government. This probably gives ignorant muslims the impression that they can come to America and get away with murder---literally.
http://www.thehaq.com/multimedia/videos/053%20desecrate_flag.wmv
Thanks,
metaxy
metaxy? Have you tried to download the latest Windows Media Player?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/default.aspx
This will take you to the page for the lastest player.
Also - it's good to have the latest flash player
http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
These downloads are free
They work very well with all of the computers I have used [about 6 of them]
I hope this helps
theres alot of muslims so lord knows theres going to be a anti rally if i get the word out. so i would like some advice. i have been reading posts here for a year now and i respect alot of your guy's opinions.
Posted by: SPQR
If you have - or know anyone that has a video camera - you can dowmload it onto your computer.
I'd be happy to post it on my site - if you
Many would rather not though
here is my latest http://palestinename.com/watch.htm
Scroll down to ".U.S. Muslims desecrate American flag"
I believe it would be an important thing to show....for serveral reasons
http://www.customcpu.com/ait/ksouther/flag/p37.htm
The short answer to your question though is: Yes.
Posted by: Foehammer
Thank You Foehammer!
Thanks beth, I'll try those downloads. However, my computer has a visual problem that makes most photos so murky, I can't really see much -- so it might affect video quality too.
i later felt with the lack of responses that i was alone in wanting to take action.
SPQR - I'll bet the senators know me by my first name now - LOLS
- "Oh, her again"
I agree with you. So do many others.
I keep wondering though - how much they really listen.
It seems as though many politicians are either afraid to take a stand - fearing peer pressure - a teenage thing - if you ask me - or are simply put - liars - who are selling America down the road.
But hey - I have faith - in the voters.
Thanks beth, I'll try those downloads. However, my computer has a visual problem that makes most photos so murky, I can't really see much -- so it might affect video quality too.
Posted by: metaxy
You might need a new vidoe card metaxy.
They can range from 50$ to $500
You can find a good one for about 70 - less you like games [and my kids do] - then you'll want a better card. If you shop around - you can find a really good one for about 200.
Do you homework before buying one - should you decide to do so.
For 200 - it shouldn't have any less than 250MBs
most older ones have 32MBs
But I still believe that video would work for you metaxy - with the latest Windows Media Player
metaxy - you really do want to see that video!
Also - you need to pass it to others.
I did - and I am amazed at how far it has traveled in so short a time.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
SPQR - I wanted to share this link with you and others who may be interested. It's a map which offers the addresses for contacting the members of congress
In re: "Isn't there a law against desecrating the US flag in the United States?"
No, that law was repealed long ago and flag burning is now protected by the 1st Amendment as, "free speech." There are some rules in place for "how" to display the flag, but not prohibiting the desecration of it. For any type of scheduled demonstration, while the freedom of assembly is protected, there are permits and approvals one must get in order to rally on. Hope this info was helpful; it was meant to explain some of these circumstances, surely not to be in accord with them.
For those of you that can no longer find this video, I have taken it upon myself to make it available to the world from my own blog.
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
Fear no enemy.
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
Fear no enemy.
Posted by: Foehammer
VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!!
I love it
can't see the video yet; link not working. No matter. having read through a good portion of the Koran and seen enough open source intel. on muslims and their behavior the world over, I'd like to share the following observation:
Islam is a tyrannical form of government masquerading as a religion like Communism is a tyrannical form of religion which masqerades as government.
"liberalism," "democracy," "socialism," or "progressive," may be substituted for "Communism" in the sentence above and it holds the same semantic value.
our "struggle" isn't with people who worship a different god than others on the planet (although a good argument can be made for why allah - the blood moon god - is the god of islam instead of Jehovah, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob), but with a people who see abuse and oppression of women as the norm, an art form even, a culture of belief which fosters and supports terrorism (through faint damnation and tolerance if not overtly by funding such groups directly or teaching their techniques in mosques) the world over, a culture which allows the genital mutilation and rape of prebuscent females (why not, Mohammed's marriage to his 9 year old bride was consummated), and on and on.
the scary thing is we have allowed them to enter our country; "we" meaning the useful idiots of the left and the embarrassed "right" (those of us who see this as a battle of right and wrong, NOT of left and right political ideology but are publically pilloried and humiliated, called "haters," threatened with "reeducation" and worse). Their toxic and anti-human rights beliefs and behaviors spread and fester everywhere day to day; coming to a pizza parlor, public school or mall near you, soon.
Hate-mongering? No. Just echoing the reality of our world; it's in the papers, and all over the internet. It's what muslims do to gain power. And it's working.
-nb
socialist occupied Maryland
You can view the video here:
http://palestinename.com/Islam_declares_war_on_America.htm {Scroll down to the bottom of the page.
You may need the Windows Media Player - which can be downloaded here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.aspx [It's free]
The latest for XP is version 10
Also - if you right click on the video - you can zoom in to a full screen. To zoom out - right click