A dhimmi was inadvertently burning pages with Qur'an verses on them. From WND, with thanks to Anthony:
Sources in Pakistan report a radical Muslim mob has attacked Christian homes in three areas near Peshawar, Pakistan.According to Voice of the Martyrs, which aids persecuted Christians around the world, the Tuesday attacks came after a Christian man was accused earlier that day of burning pages with Quranic verses written on them.
VOM sources say the man, Yousaf Masih, a man in his 60s, has worked for almost two decades as a sweeper for the Pakistani military. His most recent assignment was cleaning in the home of a military officer, a major. Tuesday, he was asked to clean the office at the major's home. During the cleaning, he came across a bag of papers, and the major told Masih to take the papers outside and burn them.
According to the report, Masih is illiterate and would not have known what was written on the papers. Other workers saw the papers and said Masih was burning pages from the Quran.
After hearing the workers' accusations, Masih rushed to his home in the Lama Veera area of Nowshera, east of Peshawar, VOM's sources said.
At 3 p.m. Tuesday, police came to the home and arrested Masih. Insulting Islam, the Prophet Muhammad or the Quran can be punishable by death under Pakistan's harsh anti-blasphemy laws. Following the arrest, a group of angry Muslims came to the home and began to beat Masih's three sons, the report indicated.
Muslims returned to the area at about 10 p.m. that night and burned an estimated total of 200 houses in Lama Veera, CMH and Saran. Many houses were looted by the attackers, who stole TVs, refrigerators and other items. The mob beat Masih's sons and his brother, Yaqoob.
VOM reported authorities have arrested 16 people involved in the attacks. A Hindu temple was also attacked, indicating the mob apparently first believed Masih was a Hindu.
Why are these folks always referred to as 'radical'?
Numerous deaths in the region as a result of the rumor that a Qur'an had been flushed down a toilet half a world away.
Now homes burned and looted, people beaten, looting, etc. because an illiterate cleaner did what he was told to do, and burned papers that simply had Qur'anic writing on them.
What's radical?
Hmmm... weren't Muslims supposed to be "tolerant"? I guess these Pakistanis missed that part of the leftist-based brainwashing process.
"Insulting Islam, the Prophet Muhammad or the Quran can be punishable by death under Pakistan's harsh anti-blasphemy laws."
Hmmmmmmmm very similar to the PC lefty vilification laws we have in Victoria Australia, its just minus the Death Penalty....but give it time.....
Note the lowly job of sweeper. That is the kind of job that many of those who are Christians are condemned to in Pakistan. This is akin to the treatment of Jews in many (though not all) Arab countries, such as Yemen, where they were forced to remain in a quasi-slave status, where they could clean latrines, and other tasks too menial for the Muslims.
This is the true Islam as concocted by that 7th century psychopath. Muhammedan lynch mobs, Muhammedan armies, Muhammedan guerrillas, Muhammedan demographic waves washing over Europe, they are all the same. All in the service of the moon god, the feet of clay idol named allah
Surprise,surprise.....
Well here we go again, mussies showing their tolerance once again...
Haven't heard much from the trolls lately....
Culture again trolls?
I wonder what Sir Iqbal Sacranie head of the Muslim Council of Britain would have to say about this.
He wants to impose the same kind of law in the UK.
This story has the ring of pure b.s. to it.
Who has papers with verses from the Koran on them in his trash?
Who tells someone to burn them in the open where others can see them?
It all sounds like an urban myth rumor to get revenge on somebody.
Either this Christian trashman, or Christians in the area.
And someone made up the "burning papers with verses from the Koran on them!" nonsense to excuse it.
I don't buy the report's rationale.
Shouldn't the Muslim major WITH the Koran verses in the trash, then, be the main suspect, if it were true?
Something rings very false here.
In all seriousness, the only way to discribe the behaviour of the Muslim's in Pakistan and that is uncivilized.
The Muslim's are consigning themselves to the fate of the Aztecs and the Mayans.
f.g.
I wondered whether the servant was set up, by being given papers to burn by someone who hated Christians.
Sir sIqbal would say that this is not true Islam, the beautiful religion described in this lovely children's book we have just donated to various schools.
Unlike Topsy and Tim Visit the Dentist, this is Hussein and Hassan Harrass their Sister.
I spent just over five years in Saudi Arabia in the late 1980s as a consultant on civil aviation matters. My family and I lived in Jeddah.
Fatwas from the leading clerics were and still are regularly issued and promulgated in the local newspapers, Friday sermons (khutba [خطبة]), and broadcast media. Government officials often chime in with signals on how they will enforce them, if at all.
One such particularly memorable fatwa was a decree that anyone caught "improperly" disposing of newspapers would be severely punished. When the Saudi authorities use the word "severely" one had better pay close attention. By improper disposal they meant putting old newspapers in the trash, allowing newspapers to touch the ground, using newpapers to clean windows or wrap food, etc. A whole new recycling protocol was developed just for newspapers.
And why did they do this? Because newspapers contain verses from the Quran.
Bigsleep expresses doubt about the truth of the Pakistani account:
Let my eyewitness account of this type of institutionalized insanity in the heart of the Muslim world be a testament to the plausibility of such a situation, and let it also serve as a dire warning that the ideology at the foundation of the Islamic society can too easily be used to justify the trample of fundamental human rights.
So while the details of the Pakistani tale above may be difficult to verify, the concept is most definitely based on real events, events to which I have been witness myself.
BTW, the same logic that is used to justify punishment for "desecration" of the Quran can be used to punish those who "desecrate" the flag (or any other object or idea). Truly free people have no need of such laws to maintain order and tranquility.
Granny W - I used to think the 'Peter and Jane' children's books were sexist - you know the kind of thing: Peter is climbing a tree; Jane helps mummy in the kitchen.
Now try - Ali is climbing a tree; Aisha is getting married - it's her 9th birthday today. Samina is getting stoned - Ali's dad raped her, the slut.
"Let my eyewitness account of this type of institutionalized insanity in the heart of the Muslim world be a testament..."
DrMack,
Thanks for sharing your insightful experiences. Having live among these people, do you have any thoughts on how we can keep them and their "institutionalized insanity" from sweeping over our lands as well.
"Now try - Ali is climbing a tree; Aisha is getting married - it's her 9th birthday today. Samina is getting stoned - Ali's dad raped her, the slut."
Interested,
Looks like "by consent of the victim" has degressed to "condemn the victim."
do you have any thoughts on how we can keep them and their "institutionalized insanity" from sweeping over our lands as well.
I know you didn't ask this of me but if you lay aside all of the common replies to that question (nuke 'em, build a wall, etc.) the only thing that seems workable is education. People have to be educated so that they understand there is more than just one way of life out there. I didn't say that right but you know what I mean. The concepts of the Western life style and its freedoms have to get engrained into a generation or two.
f.g.
It's sickening. The cruelty to the dhimmis is disgusting. Pakistan is a Saudi Arabia with NO oil. Pathetic.
fg
Thanks for responding. I think you are absolutely right. The way out for them is Education, if only they have the opportunity, which I fear they don't, being submerged in their Islamic communities.
I think Education is also the key to keeping their insanity off our lands. Educating the public about what Islam really is - a predatory civilization destroyer. Like what Robert has been doing all over the country giving talks. Perhaps we can do more, like organize grassroots community campaigns, hopefully in every community. When people are knowledgable about Islam, they become innoculated against it, and are immune to its taqiyya-kitman-daawa lies, deceptions, and obfuscations. And when people become aware, and see a threat, they will act to protect themselves, and their communities. And through these actions hopefully we can repell them from our lands. And keep us free from them and their institutionalized insanity. No quotes.
I'm with you skidd. Grassroots movements are one thing but I really believe we don't have time for that to grow. The government needs to stop tip-toeing around the subject and get real about it and start educating the masses and enforcing laws already on the books.
f.g.
Hindu mobs attacked Muslims in retaliation in India when they believed that 40 Hindu pilgrims were burned to death by Muslim terrorists on a train. The death of 40 Hindus got them riled up. The riots were terrible. For the Hindus that participated in them, it was the last straw. Muslims villified the Hindus and the chief minister for not stopping the riots fast enough. Their vociferous outrage got the international community behind them and muslim groups in the U.S. successfully blocked the Chief Minister of one of the largest states in India from even getting a visa to visit the U.S. (This is more ridiculous considering Muslims in India and the Gujarat state get special rights, such as sharia law, hajj subsidies, set-asides, etc. while no special treatment is given to the muslims in the U.S.). Meanwhile, islamic extremists of varying colors from Saudi Arabia are getting expedited visas to come to the U.S.!
OTH, Muslim mobs go and attack minority communities for any small thing such as burning garbage or even without provocation, such as the last KFC burning. What did Americans have to do with the sectarian killings in Pakistan? This stuff keeps happening all the time and they rarely get continuous pressure from the "international community."
So the question is, are Muslim communities simply held to a lower standard by the world? Have we just become desensitized or worse dhimmified? Is it "unspoken" knowledge in various governments and media that they're savages that just cannot be chided by the "international community" to do the right thing? Why do we continue to allow them to constantly point to the speck of wood in our eye, while ignoring the giant plank stuck in their eye?
The U.S., Europe, India and other civilized nations police themselves and go into an uproar about Abu Ghraib etc. These islamic communities don't police themselves, yet we keep playing dhimmi and hold them to lower standards. Why oh Why?
fg, yes. The government is the proper channel for action against this nonsense.
But, at the moment, it looks like they are struggling in a web of confusion generated by PC and the Useful Idiots. If the government can't take the necessary actions to stop this insanity, then those people who are aware and able will have to initiate the education and actions themselves.
It's a great American tradition - roll up your sleeves and do what's right, if the right people aren't there to do it, or if the right people just plain aren't doing it.
It shouldn't just be an American tradition - everyone could use this.
"The U.S., Europe, India and other civilized nations police themselves and go into an uproar about Abu Ghraib etc. These islamic communities don't police themselves, yet we keep playing dhimmi and hold them to lower standards. Why oh Why?"
Posted by: helox
helox, we have to wake up soon! All the civilized nations, and recognise Islam for what it is - totally incompatible, and at war with, the rest of civilization on the planet.
Education is certainly an essential component of any comprehensive defense against the scourge of the doctrine of jihad conquest and the ideology from which emanates. It must first begin with educating ourselves. We must each read the Quran, the hadiths, the Sira, and the 14 centuries of world history that has transpired since the appearance of Islam in the 7th century.
Then we must relate what we learn to those around us: our families, our friends, our neighbors, our workplace colleagues. Write letters to editors and to local, state and national politicians, participate in school board discussions on Islam, write books, speak to local civic groups, start a blog, tell the story of jihad conquest, dhimmitude and resistance to them throughout history with the creation of music, film, dance, visual arts, drama and comedy.
We need to remember our own culture and how it came to be. We need to shake the collective amnesia that in our lives has paralyzed our civilization in the face of this ancient ideological enemy whose goal has never changed and who has never wavered in his determination to accomplish: the utter destruction of the non-Islamic world, all of its political, economic, cultural and social institutions and if necessary, all of its people who resist the violence of conquest.
In all of these endeavors it is imperative that one does at all times and under all conditions stick to the simple easily verifiable facts about the Islamic ideology and the history of the world's experience with Islam. Tell the truth.
While we do this, the affliction of jihad conquest must be contained by force even as our ancestors did for more than a thousand years. This is a public choice that is to be made through the legitimate mechanisms of a free and democratic society. Show the military men and women who serve in this cause that we are grateful for their sacrifice and heroic deeds. Let such shows of support also serve as a warning to the perpetrators of jihad conquest that we as a people repudiate their ideology and will certainly frustrate their design.
This catalogue is by no means exhaustive. There is a long list of actions that each individual in the society can perform in this, the most exigent duty of our lives. We did not choose that the ideology of jihad conquest would define our lives any more than the ideology of Nazism and Imperial Japanese militarism had defined the lives of the WWII generation.
It is with a profound sense of dread and reluctance that I admit to the notion that we have probably already witnessed the opening salvos in a global conflagration that is soon to engulf the entire planet. My accession to the idea began brewing even before my long sojourn in Arabia but it took sure root before we returned to the United States in 1989. The scale of destruction and human suffering is potentially greater than that experienced during WWII. Now is the time for each individual to take a thorough moral inventory of themselves and to fix the bearing on their compass firmly for there are very rough seas ahead indeed.
...VOM reported authorities have arrested 16 people involved in the attacks. A Hindu temple was also attacked, indicating the mob apparently first believed Masih was a Hindu.
BS... a Hindu temple being attacked in a Muslim country does "indicate" anything, except that there is a Hindu temple in a Muslim country. All throug the ages, and in all places--but especially the Ummah--the slightest provocation (usually imgained) sets the lynch mob into action. Recall the US embassy in Pakistan was burned down in 1979, solely because some idiot Muslim preacher said in a sermon that the Israeli IDF and the American Army were marching toward Mecca at that very moment, with the stated intention of destroying it.
But don't worry; Reagan set them straight by giving them millions of dollars to let us help the Afghani mujahedin. Remember, Rambo went there?
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But, at the moment, it looks like they are struggling in a web of confusion generated by PC and the Useful Idiots.
How long, oh Lord; how long?
...again the same old lie. The conservatives that run the Whitehouse, Supreme Court, the Senate and the House "are struggling in a web of confusion generated by PC and the Useful Idiots"? Have you ever considered that it just MIGHT have something to do with that multi-generational, ultra-cozy relationship between the Bushes and the Saudis? Well, until Limbaugh or O'Reilly bring it up, I guess you won't.
If the government can't take the necessary actions to stop this insanity, then those people who are aware and able will have to initiate the education and actions themselves.
We TRIED to. At the DemCon, Kerry said that we need to rid ourselves of our dependence on the Saudis, as did John Edwards. (NOTE: Kerry did NOT sugarcoat it by saying "the insurgents" or "the terrorists" or (etc.) ... he said "the Saudis.")
But like all combat veterans that oppose the GOP-Monkey, you think that he was more interested in "issuing subpeonas and providing therapy" or whatever lie Rove and the RNC are telling America this week.
Mike Moore said on air (on FOX as I recall) that the Saudis were the ones financing terrorism, building madrassas in Pakistan, training up the jihadis that attacked us on 911, and rewarding the "martyrs" in "palestine." But he hates Bush, so he MUST hate America; and he didn't want the troops to go die in Iraq, so he MUST hate the troops as well.
And Wes Clarke (another war hero you hate) said that he would seek to form a joint Saudi-American Special Forces battalion--financed BY the Saudis--to hunt down Bin Laden and his Saudi lackeys. But hey, Bin Laden's not important any more; let's go get Saddam! And you know, that Wes Clark, he just hates the troops. Not like Ollie North, who sold all those Stingers to the good folk of Iran and Syria after they killed 241 Marines in Beirut.
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It's a great American tradition - roll up your sleeves and do what's right, if the right people aren't there to do it, or if the right people just plain aren't doing it.
Well, you know what the Lion Of England had to say about us:
"America will always do the right thing after they exhaust every other possibility."
Maybe after the fall of France, we'll wake up and do something about the cult that threatens the whole world.
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The Muslim's are consigning themselves to the fate of the Aztecs and the Mayans.~ f.g.
... not with Exxon, Shell, Mobile, Bush, Baker, Cheney, Rice, Major, Rove and Powell on their side, they aren't. Rather, the rest of the world is having it's fate consigned to that of the Buddhists of Afghanistan, the Christians of Syria and Egypt, the Jews of Tehran and Yemen, etc. Remember, Dub says "Islam is a tolerant and respectful religion that promotes peace."
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Speaking of Dhimmis, what's this in the news about Condi maybe going to California and running for the US Senate? Why doesn't she go to Alabama--her home state--and run for Senate? She could even run against Roy Moor (if she does, Moor had best stay out of small planes) and if she won, that would prove once and for all how much conservative Xtians LOOOVE black, lesbian academics.
Oh what a tangled web, indeed.
KJ
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Yes, Helox. Muslims are held to a much lower standard of conduct. Witness the fact that 25% of the resolutions passed in the UN on human rights violations are against Israel, which ranks, on a reasonably objective measure of such things way down somewhere in the 30s as a violator of human rights (I don't remember who did the ranking and how much weighting was or wasn't given about the state of seige the country is under as context). On the other hand, we get such wonderful upholders of human rights like
Syria and Libya appointed to the UNHCR, or even made chair. (The ultimate irony in my mind are all the Islamists who are claiming refugee status in the West because the government back home is hostile to members of the Muslim Brotherhood.)
DrMack,
You wrote..."we as a people repudiate their ideology and will certainly frustrate their design."
Good thought.
And I suggest that we, as a people, demand to know who came up with the brilliant idea of having our troops wear gloves when handling a detainee's taxpayer purchased Quran, and put a stop to that stupidity.
Are you aware Voice of the Martyrs has started a blog? The site is www.persecutionblog.com. The blogger is Stacy Harp, and she's updating the site daily with news and info from VOM.
It is essential that everyone communicate with the office of their elected representatives on precisely this kind of inquiry. If enough citizens voice the same concerns the Congress will eventually respond. It takes a lot of voices. It is necessarily, and by design, very hard to do:
Dr. Mack makes some astute and much appreciated contributions to this thread, and it is with the utmost importance that we respect the possibility that we are indeed on the cusp of "global conflagration that is soon to engulf the entire planet."
One way we ought to be looking at islam is as being something analogous to the Mafia.
The moslems are organized in there mission as outlined by their Clerics or "Godfathers". The clerics issue Fatwahs like Mafia Dons give orders. They have loyalty oaths and rules against speaking out that make the Mafia's omerta code look flimsy, and they are heavily involved in dealing illegal narcotics (opium). Instead of olive oil they fund their terror with petroleum oil. Ultimately, the leadership rises to power from within by killing people, or making their bones, according to the Don's or clerics orders or Fatwahs.
The latest "Don" in Iran got his start with the great American hostage crisis in 1979. A huge score, and one that made him a big shot in the moslem street/mafia underworld.
You listen to the clerics and imams talk about "the religion of peace", or piously honoring muhammed with "may peace be upon him" lines, and it sounds remarkably similar to Catholic refrains of "Jesus, Mary and Joseph", and the Church references everywhere, and the pictures of the Pope and Rosary beads, all holy imagery for the mobsters as they did their "business".
Another similarity, of course, is to insist the institution doesn't even exist! Or if they do, that they are good for their community.
Jihad? It's actually peaceful in nature, and it only means "we have the right to defend ourselves", they tell us.
Crime family? Naahhh...not, crime, "just a loyal group of goodfellahs trying to make a living."
Terrorism? "We don't believe in terrorism. We reject killing those who don't deserve to die." Yeah, right.
Murder? "We don't kill nobody." Uh-huh. Sure.
Hezbollah: "They are good, kind people who help feed the poor and rebuild homes." Of course they are.
Mob: "Look, they paid for that playground and had a big party for the whole block. They're good guys." Sweet men, they are.
Of course, the fact that Hollywood celebrities can't resist them, and apologize for anything they do, is another clear similarity. I still remember Danny Glover pleading the case for John Gotti's innocence just as he's offering his bleeding heart to the Clerics today.
Finally, Rudolph Giuliani decided enough was enough. He weeded them out, busted them for racketeering, shut down there operations, prosecuted them like a madman, and the city was finally safe again.
Not saying islam would be so simple to defeat, but this certainly does show that once you identify the enemy, devote your resources to defeating the enemy, and have the courage to take them on despite the risks to your own life and against the leftist Hollywoood idiots, anything is possible.
-MZ
"Note the lowly job of sweeper" - this is true Hugh.
Daniel Scot was also from Pakistan, and I believe, from his own words, that he was one of two Christians who managed to get a job at a university level.
How, as Christians are always relegated to second class lower jobs by the Religion of Peace in Muslim dominated countries?
By knowing the Hadith and Koran better than the Muslims themselves. That how, the educators have to be experts in Islam.
Not that this counted for much in Australia with our "vilification" laws.
Its a pity our politcians don't read JW/DW, let alone our PC Judges.
DrMack,
Thanks.
Yes. I do communicate with my elected officials. On the Gitmo Qur'an issue, none of Senator's Feinstein or Boxer's staff seem terribly interested over the phone. And emails to their various offices remain, to date, unanswered.
I called the Command Master Chief at the Navy Chaplains Command today, and was surprised that he was not even aware of the 'gloves and towels' procedures in place at Gitmo. I sent him an email and a recent Diana West article on the subject as an attachment. I'll await his response.
The 'gloves and towels" nonsense is a prime example of how not to warn "the perpetrators of jihad conquest that we as a people repudiate their ideology and will certainly frustrate their design."
I'll keep plugging.
PRCS-
The only thing the Korans at Gitmo should have been wrapped in is ricin.
Then the gloves for the soldiers would have made sense.
(The Muslim terror cell, caught in England a few months ago, was starting to make it, so we could have gotten a batch free.)
What about Phase 3...?
Education will do nothing to avert the Islamic fascist tidal wave sweeping the planet. In Phase 1. we educated their leaders and elite for half a century, developed their resources and gave them trillions of dollars -- Aside from huge energy benefits (which shouldn't be underestimated) it also delivered better equipped, more competant and increasingly strong Islamic enemies. It's time we contemplate not propping up Islamic institutions, stop welcoming Muslims into our midst, and stop supporting Muslim nations in general. Without us they would probably topple into the worhtless sands of their homelands. I think everyone agrees that depriving them of revenue from their primary export (oil) will stop their 2nd and 3rd biggest exports (Islam and terror)... Phase 1. engagement with Islam also yeilded huge immigration of anti-Western enemies into our midst, Paki and Iranian nukes, expanding terror networks, and 9/11. In Phase 2, the post 9/11 era has yeilded EXTREMELY expensive (and possibly vain) attempts to fix their broken society and religion (Iraq and Afghanistan)... This may prove ruinous to our future well being... If this doesn't work, or proves too expensive, our only choice is to go back to pre 9/11 engagement Phase 1. (which obviously was a complete failure) or ...
Phase 3.
No one wants to discuss phase three...
"Phase 3.
No one wants to discuss phase three..."
Yes someone does. islam must be eradicated from the world by force.
End of discussion.
-MZ