Remember: one of the "hate speech" charges against Oriana Fallaci is that she said: "Islam is a pond....The pond does not love life: It loves death." So where did this would-be suicide bomber get the idea that it was appropriate to express belief in "death and Allah"? Did she learn Islam from Fallaci? Or...is Fallaci right? "Female bomber says attack was aimed at youth," from the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
A female suicide bomber who planned to blow up at the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba on Monday, the same hospital where she received treatment for burns in the past, was caught at the Erez terminal crossing wearing explosives stitched to her underwear.Security forces were alerted when the biometric screener located at the terminal crossing, revealed that Wafa Samir Ibrahim Bas,21, of the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, was wearing explosives.
Security forces immediately shut down the crossing and Bas was ordered to strip inside a concrete enclosure. During the process she attempted several times to detonate the explosives but failed. Arguing during the procedure with the soldiers who issued orders over a loudspeaker, she eventually shed the explosives which were later blown up by a robot. Officials estimate that the bomb contained ten kilograms of explosives.
Hours later in a Channel One interview at the Shikma Prison in Ashkelon, Bas, an Al Quds Open University student, at first declared that she intended to kill as many Israelis as possible. "I love Allah, I love the land of Palestine and I am a member of the Al Aksa Brigades," she said.
She said she wanted to kill up to 40 or 50 people - as many young people as possible. When asked why specifically young people, she said it was in retaliation for the death of Muhammad Dura. Dura was an 11-year-old Palestinian boy killed at the start of the Initifada, four and a half years ago in the Karni/Netzarim road.
Of course, the whole Muhammad al-Dura brouhaha seems as if it was based on fiction.
She also said her motives for carrying out the attack were because the Koran had been torn up in the Megiddo prison.Later however, she admitted that she had been taken advantage of by the Al Aksa Brigades and was a victim. Asked if she intended to blow up at Soroka, she said "no, we have hospitals, I was to blow up in a crowded area."
As the reality sank in she said "yesterday I was free, I was a bird flying in the sky." She claimed that her dispatchers told her their own children were unable to carry out the attack because they were too young. When asked why her dispatchers themselves didn't carry out the attack, she replied that she didn't know.
Breaking down and crying, she asked for her mother's forgiveness. "I am sorry mother, forgive me, I should have listened to you," she said.She also said she hoped Israeli judges would have pity and not sentence her too harshly.
When asked if she would launch attacks if allowed to return, she said she may consider it and that she believes "in death and Allah."
The misery of mind control is astonishing. The depravity of those who control them even more so.
women and jihad
Interesting link and site
This must be that much-vaunted "equality" which women have in Islam according to some.
Equally suicidal. Equally crazy. Equally vicious.
(And "ten kilograms of explosives" hidden in her underwear?!!? Either's she's got a seamstress from here to Haifa, or she's one of those rare steatopygous Palestinians we've heard so little about since Bill Clinton left office.)
I'm sure the judge will treat her as nicely as she intended to treat her victims.
Just give her a new suicide belt, put her in a field, and detonate it by remote control.
(Saving prison space for those who aren't still interested "in death and Allah".)
What a bunch of morally corrupt individuals, they repay Israeli kindness with Islamic barbarism. Moslems all to willingly murder people who are nothing but kind to them, all to the glory of Allah. She is only sorry she got caught, she wants Israel to have mercy on her, then willingly admits she would don bomber panties again providing she ever gets out of jail. That is out and out barbarism, Mohammadanism style.
Maybe the problem is really us westerners and our high moral values when compared to Mohammadanism?
A religion that advocates mass murders.
And we still protect it under "freedom of religious expression"?
A female suicide bomber who planned to blow up at the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba on Monday, the same hospital where she received treatment for burns in the past
What a waste of medical talent and time.
"Jabaliya refugee camp"
"refugee" somebody who seeks refuge in a foreign country
"camp" a...place for a temporary stay, short term accomodations
b... a group of people who share the same ideas or aims
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Isn't it time to stop calling the places where these people are living "refugee camps"? These areas seem to be more like the British "estates" or the American "projects". Places where people with "no ambition to move on" stay and their children stay and their grandchildren stay. How can they be refugees when they were born there and they have lived there their whole lives? How can they be "camps" when they are indistinguisable from any other home? They are the same as other homes aren't they? Or is "camp" the equivalent of "project" in American? Or are they using definition #2 meaning they are united in their ideas?
In any case I think the term is misleading and I wish the media would change it to something more appropriate. Properly discriptive for each country to understand the conditions.
I’m almost speechless – almost but not quite. I have seldom read about such depraved indifference to another human’s life. This thing (I won’t debase myself or anyone else by calling her a woman, human, whatever) is beneath contempt, lower than a cockroach.
A few quotes stand out:
“Unfortunately this is not the first time that the Palestinian Authority has failed to live up to their security responsibilities," Col. Yoav Mordechai, the head of the Erez district liaison office, told The Jerusalem Post.”
How’s that for an understatement?
“Security officials noted that terror organizations recruit Palestinians to launch suicide bomb attacks on their behalf, using special permission they received on humanitarian grounds to enter Israel for medical treatment.”
“A senior Israeli security official pointed out that human rights groups have often harshly criticized Israel in the past, for carrying out inspections on sick Palestinians requiring medical treatment in Israel.”
Of course, the human rights groups. It appears the Israelis aren’t human enough or the “human rights groups” don’t give a shit about dead Jews.
“Also in December, security forces arrested Hassan Tom and Mohammed Jiaror at the Rafah international border crossing. Both had been recruited by Al-Aksa Brigades in Gaza. Again false papers were used for access into Israel.”
“Along with the bomb, the plan included murdering an Israeli citizen and burying the body as a bargaining tool for Fatah operatives in Gaza who would demand the release of security prisoners in exchange for the Israeli's return.”
As I stated above – these people are beneath contempt.
BTW – a quote in the excerpt: “When asked why her dispatchers themselves didn't carry out the attack, she replied that she didn't know.” We all know why the dispatchers didn’t carry out the attack – why should they when they have little robots to do it. I couldn’t find this quote in the linked article in the Jerusalem Post.
The Globe and Mail has a video capture of Bas trying to detonate the bomb after being discovered at the checkpoint.
I assume her discovery and capture is a result of the security fence – that fence, the one that human rights groups would like torn down because it causes inconvenience to Palestinians. The fact it saves Israeli lives apparently is immaterial.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050620.wpants0620a/BNStory/International/
When are the Isrealis going to stop extending "humanitarian" aid to these sub-humans? Any act of kindness is exploited. Any concession is taken as a sign of weakness. Leave them to fester in their own putrid society. Close the damn borders for good!
A twofer! She used two lies to justify mass murder: the non-murder of Muhammad Duras and the non abuse of a hate book also known as the Couran. Meanwhile, her species blow up school buses and kids's discos and torched ancient ruins like Joseph's Tomb.
"She believes in death and Allah..."
I believe in giving people what they want.
She should get death.
If that helps her to find Allah, good for her.
She believes in death and Allah.
I believe in giving people what they want.
She should get death.
Islam is a strange religion indeed: The only one who can offer a muslim a direct way to paradise is a Kaffir who kills him. But muslims are so ungrateful. All the time they are saying that they are superior to other people because they love death. Now that the US and Israel are giving them death, why has no prominent islamic cleric come forward and thanked them for offering them a direct path to eternal bliss? Why do they still hate us? Perhaps we should give them even more death?
This gal wanted to suicide-bomb the same hospital where she herself was treated, and where her young life was probably saved? And she wanted badly to kill a slew of other young people? Cripes! If this is what Falastin Arab culture glorifies, it deserves to be driven into the haunts of jackals and evil djinni. And the PA certainly doesn't deserve as much as a wooden nickel from the US taxpayer.
It's just too bad that Israeli law doesn't provide for an unruly kid getting sentenced to a public bare-arse paddling (in reference to the explosive knickers--along with a few other things). I hope she gets a hanging judge.
"It's just too bad that Israeli law doesn't provide for an unruly kid getting sentenced to a public bare-arse paddling (in reference to the explosive knickers--along with a few other things). I hope she gets a hanging judge."
Metaphorically speaking, of course, since Israel doesn't have the death penalty.
I'm not inclined to have pity on terrorists, but then again you have to consider the environment in which these people live. The media is dominated by hateful and inciteful propaganda, terrorist apologists pretty much run the education system, and the terrorists themselves are pretty prominent in society. The economy is ruined, they live under the constant threat of Israeli military operations (I know Israel claims to be acting in self defence, but even if you believe that, and I mostly do, no doubt they are told it's all to do with stealing Palestinian eyes). I imagine that there's not much room to think or speak openly about whether suicide bombing is really going to help the Palestinian people. At least not if you want to avoid a visit from Hamas.
I think the western terrorist apologists do a real disservice to the Palestinians when they blame terrorism on "poverty" or "despair". It goes well beyond being unhappy with their lot. They are controlled by a brutal gang of thugs who hate Jews and glorify violence, and who will bring every tool, religious and otherwise, to bear in order to perpetuate the conflict.
"It's just too bad that Israeli law doesn't provide for an unruly kid getting sentenced to a public bare-arse paddling (in reference to the explosive knickers--along with a few other things). I hope she gets a hanging judge."
Metaphorically speaking, of course, since Israel doesn't have the death penalty.
I'm not inclined to have pity on terrorists, but then again you have to consider the environment in which these people live. The media is dominated by hateful and inciteful propaganda, terrorist apologists pretty much run the education system, and the terrorists themselves are pretty prominent in society. The economy is ruined, they live under the constant threat of Israeli military operations (I know Israel claims to be acting in self defence, but even if you believe that, and I mostly do, no doubt they are told it's all to do with stealing Palestinian eyes). I imagine that there's not much room to think or speak openly about whether suicide bombing is really going to help the Palestinian people. At least not if you want to avoid a visit from Hamas.
I think the western terrorist apologists do a real disservice to the Palestinians when they blame terrorism on "poverty" or "despair". It goes well beyond being unhappy with their lot. They are controlled by a brutal gang of thugs who hate Jews and glorify violence, and who will bring every tool, religious and otherwise, to bear in order to perpetuate the conflict.
Viking:
You are answering your own questions.
On the one hand you are your very own bleeding heart, on the other hand (you know that Islam) is the problem and unless islam itself is humiliated and defeated there can't be any peace to speak of.
I often talk with a guy who talks your kind of talk, and he repeats the same statement ad nauseum: 'I just think they are 500 years behind us...'
This is so meaningless! We all live in the here and now, we don't choose to live with the Islam from 500 years ago, they don't have a choice of us living 500 years ago, I keep saying the same thing but it runs like water over his thick skin.
Mohammedans want to wipe us out.
They don't care for your pussyfooting bleeding heart. They don't care how much you understand about their intentions, they don't care whether you are morally on the highest pedestal: They want you to 'submit' to Islam or they want you dead. Obviously you are concerned about this. Forget your skrupels:
They don't have any.
The caption under Bas's picture on the front page of one of Toronto's other dailies says the burns were sustained in a kitchen fire. One has to wonder what this charming woman was preparing at the time, or whether she was, perhaps, the victim of spousal abuse.
Any way you want to look at it, she's hardly a tribute to her family or her people.
Just a post of thanks to all who frequent this site and tirelessly post, argue, and preach awareness of the evils that Islam so blatantly advocates.
Thank all you regulars, you are educating more people than you might think, and providing a great service to our nation and liberty. Keep it up.
I have initiated serious discussions about Islam with many friends and family members, and I don't have the time or energy to badger them, prod them to think about the issue, or answer all of their questions. This site, and those who continue to inform and post, make it so much easier for all of us who are fighting for people to use their brains and become aware. It is a great reference point for the inquisitive or intellectually rigorous mind whose friends can't always be around to talk to or argue with.
Thank you, you are teaching a great many people.
Also, Bill in Virgnia, or anyone who knows,
What is being done, or can be done, about Northern Virginiastan? Do you think native Virginians and Americans who live there are even aware of the seriousness of their situation, of the people who live in their midst and the organizations and companies and mosques that fund and preach terrorism and jihad and America-hating? And, what can they, or other Virginians do about it, legally and peacefully? Or is the proximity to DC too much of a burden for much change to come about, at least until the federal government wakes up and realizes what the hell is going on?
I've never thought northern Virginia to be real Virginia anyway, but this seems to be getting ridiculous and I know that many fellow Virginians don't even know about the nickname 'Northern Virginiastan'.......I think they'd be shocked.
"..honey, does this suicide belt make me look fat."
viking
Suicide bombing helping the Palestinians? Here are some better solutions, in my own opinion.
Lets see the oil rich Arab nations help them out of poverty instead of using them as a weapon against Israel.
Put pressure on Jordan to take them back. Jordan is where they came from and its where they belong, if the planet Earth must be stuck with them.
No money! No aid, without international supervision of the distribution of the above.
Israel should increase the "constant threat of military operations" without giving these murderers any breathing room.
"..honey,does this suicide belt make me look fat?"
Infidrel33
Read this from Normsblog
http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2005/05/for_those_who_n.html
"The Israeli forces refused to be drawn into a situation which would likely have destroyed the Church and so a stalemate ensued. Hassan had been part of the group storming the Church and had taken a bullet in the initial fracas but his colleagues had refused to allow him out for 12 days. Only now had he been 'released' and here he was in my Emergency department."
Carry on reading
and carry on asking.
Did this girl's bomb-bloomers fail to explode or did she just make it look that way?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't want to die.
If someone is approached by terrorists to do their dirty work, wouldn't they be risking their lives if they refused?
She seems to have appeared belligerent then plaintive then belligerent again all within a short space of time.
I get the feeling that there are many people in the Dar-al-Islam who inwardly don't agree with what is being said or done but just go along with it to keep their head attached to their body.
After all, if these 'Palestinian' Arabs hated the Jews so much, why would the PA have to go to such lengths and trouble inculcating them with anti-semitism?
And we still protect it under "freedom of religious expression"?
Posted by: skidd
Was a BIG FAT MISTAKE when they planted it. They left out the words 'harmless to others'
Wafa Samir Ibrahim Bas,21, of the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza
Borg? It says a LOT - doesn't it?
refugee -
One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.
Jews are not aloud to live in Gaza [not without being in danger] but Muslims are aloud to live in Israel.
Who's persecuting whom?
As for the self-professing self-appointed 'humanitarian' kings?
You will know what's in the heart by what comes out of the mouth.
We all know why the dispatchers didn’t carry out the attack – why should they when they have little robots to do it.
Posted by: johnb
And that's just it. allah creates 'robots'
The Lord of the NT does not. That's why there is an appointed Judgment Day. Those who choose to carry out wicked deeds - will fail the Judgment.
This life is temprary....an image of the real thing - Eternal Life.
We all live in the here and now
Posted by: Terminator
And there are present day international laws that over-whelmingly condemn the Koran. But the self-appointed, self-professing 'humanitarian' kings keep defending the Koran - even though it thoroughly violates their very own laws.
Every here the story of how the Israelites brought down the walls of Jehicho?
Go after the so called 'humanitarian' kings - relentlessly
Show them this one:
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight [jihad], smite at their necks. [Behead them!]
Shove it in their faces - relentlessly
They will have blood on their hands - until they put a stop to it.
Let the media giants ask that female suicide bomber - "Where did your 'allah' EVER command you to slaughter in the name of Palestine?" Show us where!
Aren't her imams wicked and evil for demanding that Muslims slaughter in the name of Palestine?
Didn't 'allah' mention the name Israel???
Yes he did. But NOT the name Palestine.
she said it was in retaliation for the death of Muhammad Dura. ...Of course, the whole Muhammad al-Dura brouhaha seems as if it was based on fiction.
If I might just step back here and remind everyone that all of this is based on fiction and wild fantasy. The woman was going to blow herself up to kill children in retaliation for a fictional crime committed in a war over land that an invisible god promised someone in an ancient myth. Insane is the only word that properly describes what would be considered fantastic and totally unbelievable only a few years ago but which today just seems par for the course.
When a people reject science and reason for ancient myth and fantasy, no matter if that myth and fantasy is cloaked with words like “faith” and “absolute truths”, they are starting down the road to extinction. Why? Reality is in direct collision with the fantasy world maintained by religionists who see spiritual battles carried out by invisible powers whose motivations are mysterious and incomprehensible rather than human struggles motivated by human needs.
When asked why her dispatchers themselves didn't carry out the attack, she replied that she didn't know.
Could it be that they are just smarter than you are darlin’? We have to come to terms with the fact that through the manipulation of individuals through religion what should be a simple matter of “zoning” becomes a matter worthy of killing yourself to kill as many small children as you can while ensuring your place in paradise.
Amazing.
This should make a model PR case for Israel.
Instead Israel rewards these acts with fleeing from Gaza.
Idiots. That's all I can say.
Viking5:
I note that Bas offered apologies to her mother, who I gather was not supportive of the martyrdom plans, the usual pay-off to the family and celebrations of the mother of the "Shahid" notwithstanding. Some of them do know how wrong and heinous the terror tactics are, and here we are, with Israel preparing to withdraw from Gaza and a few West Bank settlements, without any real cessation in acts of violence against civilian targets.
What should be interesting to watch in the near-term is what David Bedein describes as the impending collapse of any authority the PA may have over Fatah members and others, who want to carry on attacking Israelis and/or collecting pay from the PA. The Israeli withdrawal is causing terrible rifts in Israeli society, but the response in the Palestinian community is absolutely self-destructive.
Cynic
Reading that piece almost made me vomit. The Isreali's continue to be the most consistently moral people in God's creation, but at what point does kindness, humaneness, and wanting to be "accepted" by the rest of the world turn into stupidity and societal suicide? This creature in question should have been not allowed anywhere near a Isreali medical facility. When he inevitably succeeds in killing more Isreali's, the Hadassah, the doctors, everyone who had anything to do with this idiocy should be held accountable.
"Were we right to put so much effort and resource into one life when that person had murdered so many of our civilians? Would the Palestinians or even the Arab world do the same for a wounded Israeli? Our experience with shootings, kidnappings and lynchings suggests otherwise. Would other nations, if placed today in a similar state of war, afford such care to their enemies? Let's hope they never have to find out. As far as we are concerned, medicine is about the people who need to be treated regardless of race or religion. As doctors, we must just get on with the job in hand and leave justice to the judges."
Just how many muslim minds do you think you changed? To them, the beduin thief's moon-god saved this savage so he could carry out "his will" and murder more Jews. As much as I admire the Jewish people, I simply can't fathom what motivates this thinking.
Regarding care for wounded Islamist murders. I agree they should leave them on the ground to bleed to death or be eaten by dogs after dark but as the Kosher meat add informs us,".we answer to a higher authority ". The world doesn't notice or care but someone is watching.
"..honey,does this suicide belt make me look fat. "
"You are answering your own questions.
On the one hand you are your very own bleeding heart, on the other hand (you know that Islam) is the problem and unless islam itself is humiliated and defeated there can't be any peace to speak of."
Islam and Muslims are not equivalent. Islam is a system of political and religious beliefs, and Muslims are people. Humans like you and me. There's nothing in their genes that makes them any different to the people in any other part of the world. Even if I was to believe that Islam was "the problem" (I believe it is one of several problems), it wouldn't preclude my taking pity on the ordinary people who live under such a corrupt and bloodthirsty system. I don't condemn individuals for being conned or coerced into acting on behalf of an evil regime. That doesn't alter the necessity of fighting evil. It's not a contradiction to say that most Germans in 1940 were not evil, and that fighting them was the morally right thing to do. Likewise when I see a suicide bomber stopped, even when they are killed, I feel happy that a terrorist attack is prevented. It's just sad that they tried in the first place.
I don't think it's "bleeding heart" to observe that the Palestinians are being used and abused. Saudi money pays for suicide bombers, so until recently did Iraqi money. Palestinians are discriminated against in many Muslim countries (who don't want them getting jobs and leading normal lives when they could be killing Jews). The Egyptian efforts to stop terrorist weapons smuggling into Gaza have been lacklustre to say the least. The Arab countries don't care about the Palestinians, they just use them as a weapon to get at the Jews.
"I often talk with a guy who talks your kind of talk, and he repeats the same statement ad nauseum: 'I just think they are 500 years behind us...'"
He might be right, however I would counter that in the nuclear age we can ill-afford to wait 500 years for Islam to sort itself out. I would also critique the apparent belief in historical determinism. Islam may not be 500 years behind, it may just reflect what Christianity may have become if the reactionary forces had won. If someone had done to Martin Luther what was done to Theo Van Gogh (and it was a real possibility), our history may have been very different.
"Mohammedans want to wipe us out."
It's the people who believe this kind of blanket statement who make the best suicide bombers. The terrorists don't care about the truth, Palestinian kids are fed all sorts of crap about how the Jews are trying to take over the world and keep the Arab down. They would be more than happy to sell you suicide bombing as an act of self defence if they thought it would work. You can think what you like of Islam, but it doesn't make Muslims any less human. If we grew up seeing and hearing the things they did, a few of us might find ourselves in line to meet an ignominious end in an Israeli nightclub.
Stories like these just make me cry... So many lives wasted for such drivel.
"A female suicide bomber who planned to blow up at the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba on Monday, the same hospital where she received treatment for burns in the past."
OK, maybe she was a victim of mind control, but what strikes me is the sheer ingratitude of this girl! Not only killing innocents, but in the same hospital that saved her? I read in another report that she studied Sociology and that the causes for her previous burns where from an accidental explosion of gas at her house.
Humm, I get it, maybe the explosion at her house was when she was doing her homework, and the attempted explosion at the hospital was the graduation exam?
"When asked if she would launch attacks if allowed to return, she said she may consider it and that she believes "in death and Allah.""
The sad thing is the way these young lives are used as mere conveyors of bombs by these thugs "whose own children are too young" (although I'm sure they would use them if they really had them, the concept of life is meaningless to them).
And to think that in the Islamic Paradise men get their virgins, and women don't get anything at all!
I don't know, the only thing that gives me hope is that one of today's most vocal critics of Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, also grew up in this nonsense, and she remembers that in the past she also was indoctrinated and believed in that "death and Allah" stuff. So there's hope. But the indoctrination neeeds to stop. Now.
viking
When we consider what "humans" have done to other humans, civilizations, cultures and other mammals, describing the Palestinians as humans is not a compliment or an excuse for their conduct. In my way of thinking, you are either a decent human or you are not. A germ of decency can survive in their culture but until we can see more examples of decency they wear the black hat.
" honey, does this suicide belt make me look fat? "
"She said she wanted to kill up to 40 or 50 people - as many young people as possible. When asked why specifically young people, she said it was in retaliation for the death of Muhammad Dura. Dura was an 11-year-old Palestinian boy killed at the start of the Initifada, four and a half years ago in the Karni/Netzarim road.
This is more than likely a HUGE excuse. It is the standard, "I'm doing this because (fill in the blank.)" More than likely, she got caught either holding hands with a boy, or talking to him and she "shamed her family." Girls her age will choose to regain their family "honor" by becoming "martyrs" in the cause. In a sense, this may have been her only chance to escape death at the hands of her father or brother.