Jihad Watch director Robert Spencer in FrontPage today on our two-faced friends, the Saudis:
When American soldiers raided jihadist hideouts in northeastern Iraq this week, they found a number of foreign passports, including two from Saudi Arabia. Several weeks ago the Syrians arrested 300 Saudis before they could cross into Iraq and join the jihad against America. These are just two more bits of evidence that loyalties continue to be divided in Saudi Arabia — underscoring the urgency of the Saudi Arabia Accountability Act of 2005, which was introduced in the Senate recently by Senator Arlen Specter. The Saudis have been playing a double game since 9/11, maintaining their alliance with the U.S. while aiding the jihad worldwide; now Specter and the bill’s other sponsors are trying to put a stop to the duplicity.This Act is intended to “halt Saudi support for institutions that fund, train, incite, encourage, or in any other way aid and abet terrorism, and to secure full Saudi cooperation in the investigation of terrorist incidents, and for other purposes.” It calls on the Saudis to comply with UN Security Council Resolution 1373 of 2001, which directs all nations to “refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts,” as well as to take “the necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist acts” and “deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts.” It cites a 2002 report by the Council on Foreign Relations that notes that “for years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda, and for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem.” A June 2004 CFR report lamented that “since September 11, 2001, we know of not a single Saudi donor of funds to terrorist groups who has been publicly punished.”
The bill — S. 1171 — notes not only that the Saudis are financing terrorist groups, but that they are also aggressively spreading the jihad ideology that fuels terrorism. And they’re doing so right in the United States. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), through its subsidiary the North American Islamic Trust, owns over 300 mosques in the United States. The Accountability Act cites the January 28, 2005 report from Freedom House’s Center for Religious Freedom, which revealed that what is being taught in those mosques: “material promoting hatred, intolerance, and violence within United States mosques and Islamic centers.” What’s more, “these publications are often official publications of a Saudi ministry or distributed by the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, D.C.” One tract featured in the report tells Muslims: “Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law.” A high school textbook makes it absolutely clear where such teaching leads: “To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah’s way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government. The military education is glued to faith and its meaning, and the duty to follow it.”
It is not surprising that such sentiments should be found in material coming from the Saudis. As late as November 2003, the Islamic Affairs Department (IAD) of the Saudi embassy in Washington featured this statement on its website: “The Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the Word of Allah supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and oppression, and to defend the Muslims. If Muslims do not take up the sword, the evil tyrants of this earth will be able to continue oppressing the weak and [the] helpless…”Such a violent and expansionist program is not solely the province of Saudi Wahhabis. The Pakistani Islamic leader Syed Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), who was not a Wahhabi, declared that non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, he said, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.” Likewise the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), also a non-Wahhabi, declared: “Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers]. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible…. The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah from the leadership of man, with the intention of raising human beings to that high position which Allah has chosen for him.”
Nevertheless, the Saudis are the foremost and most moneyed exponents of such ideas around the globe today. In a 2002 interview with Al-Jazeera, Saudi Sheikh Mohsin Al-‘Awaji, praised Osama bin Laden as “a man of honor, a man who abstains [from the pleasures] of this world, a brave man, and a man who believes in his principles and makes sacrifices [for them].” Indeed, “the Saudi people love every Jihad warrior, every fighter, and every man of honor, whether in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir, or southern Sudan.” Another Saudi Sheikh, Dr. Muhammad Al-Khasif, added: “There are dozens, even millions, who lift up their eyes to Osama bin Laden as a savior.” A June 2004 poll found that almost half of the Saudis polled viewed Osama bin Laden positively.
And these people have money: the Accountability Act cites a September 2003 New York Times report noting that “at least 50 percent of the current operating budget of Hamas comes from ‘people in Saudi Arabia,’” as well as a July 2003 Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) report stating that “Saudi-sponsored organizations have funneled over $4,000,000,000 to finance the Palestinian intifada that began in September 2000.” MEMRI has done outstanding work rendering this material and much more into English — much of the information in this article comes from MEMRI reports. But few seem to have taken heed in official Washington.
And that is true despite the fact that the Saudis have not been particularly reliable allies in the war on terror. The Accountability Act refers to a July 2003 report from a joint committee of the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives, quoting “various United States Government personnel who complained that the Saudis refused to cooperate in the investigation of Osama bin Laden and his network both before and after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.” Nor was that the first time: the Saudis also refused to cooperate with U.S. investigators after the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, where nineteen American Air Force personnel were killed. Also, the Accountability Act notes that “Saudi Arabia denied United States officials access to several suspects in the custody of the Government of Saudi Arabia, including a Saudi Arabian citizen in detention for months who had knowledge of extensive plans to inject poison gas in the New York City subway system.”
Not only have they declined to cooperate: they have maligned Americans efforts at the official level. A December 2004 report in the Saudi government organ Al-Watan issued the outrageous and libelous charge that “secret European military intelligence reports indicate the transformation of the American humanitarian mission in Iraq into a profitable trade in the American markets through the practice of American physicians extracting human organs from the dead and wounded, before they are put to death, for sale to medical centers in America.”
Meanwhile, jihadist sentiment, fueled by the most outlandish conspiracy-theory paranoia, permeates Saudi society. An Egyptian historian, Dr. Zaynab Abd Al-Aziz, asserted on Saudi TV in May that the United States brought down the Twin Towers on 9/11 at the behest of the World Council of Churches, which was enacting the Vatican’s plan to eradicate Islam and Christianize the world. The show’s host swallowed this farrago whole and lobbed the professor softballs such as: “Why is America hostile to Islam, although we never had and never will have the same conflict with them we had with Europe?”
Just before the Saudis’ February 2005 international counter-terrorism conference, to which they claimed to invite representatives of all the countries that had suffered terrorist attacks but conspicuously omitted Israel, the Saudi poet Mash’al Al-Harithi, read on Saudi television a poem claiming that Osama bin Laden was “sent by the Jews.” Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia's de facto leader, as well as Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi Ambassador to Great Britain, both ascribed the June 2004 al-Qaeda attacks within the Kingdom to that all-purpose bogeyman, the “Zionists.” In August 2004 the Religious Affairs Department of the Saudi armed forces published an article stating that “the majority of revolutions, coups d’etat, and wars which have occurred in the world [in the past], those that are occurring, and those that will occur, are almost entirely the handiwork of the Jews. They [the Jews] turned to [these methods] in order to implement the injunctions of the fabricated Torah, the Talmud, and the ‘Protocols [of the Elders of Zion’], all of which command the destruction of all non-Jews in order to achieve their goal — namely, world domination.”
With this rhetoric goes religious persecution. Jews aren’t even allowed into Saudi Arabia, but Christians are — as long as they do not bring with them any physical evidence of their faith (Bibles, crosses) and do not observe it while in the Kingdom. Early this month the Saudi religious police, the Muttawa, arrested eight Christians from India, confiscating their Bibles and religious objects. They beat one of these men, Chittirical John Thomas, in front of his five-year-old son. Forty Pakistani Christians were arrested in April 2005. A Muttawa spokesman explained: “These people tried to spread the poison and their beliefs to others, by means of distributing pamphlets and [missionary] publications.” A month before that, an Indian Christian, Samkutty Varghese, was arrested and held incommunicado in Riyadh. He had a Bible in his bag. Emad Alaabadi, a Saudi citizen who converted from Islam to Christianity, was arrested in December 2004 and has likely been tortured.
In September 2004, the State Department added Saudi Arabia to its list of the most religiously intolerant nations in the world. But this didn’t stop the Spring 2005 crackdown on Christians in the Kingdom; nor did it lead to more calls for accountability from Washington. In April 2005, Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz described U.S.-Saudi relations as “excellent.” He praised “the good relations and the will of cooperation between the two countries to serve Saudi interest first of all.”
Indeed, both countries seem intent on serving Saudi interests first of all. That’s the problem. But the Saudi Arabia Accountability Act of 2005 could change all that. It calls upon the Saudis to take genuine anti-terror steps, including to cooperate openly and fully with American anti-terror efforts; to close all “charities, schools, or other organizations or institutions” both inside and outside the Kingdom that aid in terrorism anywhere around the world, “including by means of providing support for the families of individuals who have committed acts of terrorism.” And it calls for sanctions to punish noncompliance. Such measures are the only way that Saudi Arabia could today become a genuine ally of the United States. Senator Specter and the other senators who sponsored this bill are to be commended — and every American should hope that their efforts bear fruit.
I lived in SA for seven years as a British expat. I was told more than once about how much the people hated the americans.
Omigosh!
The news of the existence of Saudi Arabia Accountability Act of 2005 has, in itself, made my day. That is cites the much downplayed 'freedom house report' is even more commendable.
Sen. Spector, Bravo! When this bill goes to vote, let all those who oppose reveal themselves to be the real puppets of oil money! (God forbid, Dubya tries to veto this bill or something!!)
Speaking of Institutions corrupted by saudi money and ideology, shouldn't that include both Reuters and AP (not to mention dhuimmi BBC) as well??
Off topic but on Dhimmi Watch, Robert is chagrined by his reception in Manhattan New York: "Your terrorists
are our hero's
The reason why is simple, Islam is not perceived as an IMMEDIATE threat, to our freedoms, constitution, civil liberites and seperation of Church and State, where as the Christian Right (and Moralistic Right) is.
The left (and the right) are woefully ignorant of Islam, both doctrinally and in practise, our corporate controlled media and our own Government, who issues press release to the wire services, does not carry
front page stories about the infringement of civil liberties in Islam.
In fact the only place I see any detailed exposure of Islamic crimes against humanity are on non corporate
media like Link TV and Democracy Now (leftist) such as this interview on Channel 9410 and 9415
"I Will Go On Until I Have Even the Slightest Hope of Justice" - Rare Broadcast Interview With Pakistani Rape Survivor Mukhtar Mai
Nothing on Fox, nothing on MSNBC,certainly nothing in depth like this on any corporate media (and no the media is not left wing, it is corporate and supportive of Bush and the RNC).
And maybe Robert if you were concerned, and admitted that the Falwells and Dobsons were an immediate threat to the Republic, instead of being defensive, we could win over the ignorant left.
You miss the point, the argument is to the absurd. Falwells attitude is a mirror of the mullahs, that he hasn't publicly expressed the death penalty, does not mean that it isn't in the flling cabinet..it is. He's a Reconstructionist and the death penalty (stoning preferred) is in the filing cabinet.
Our worst enemies, in the struggle for survival, are not the Muslims, but our own home grown right wing, the righteous right like Gary who says, out of gross ignorance and using an argumentum ad extremum
I repeat Falwell is a Reconsructionist, he has embraced Dominionist theology in all but name, the fact that he hasn't called for stoning of homosexuals, is a matter of politics and timing, but it is in the filing cabinet
Hitler didn't announce that he was going to throw Jews, Gypsies, Socialists, Commies, Poles, homosexuals into concentration camps did he, but anyone who had read Mein Kampf would have know that, it is the same with the Reconstructionists.
The so called Christian Right has embraced Dominion Theology or Christian Reconstruction, in it's tenets and ideology, even if they have never heard of the ideology or name. And this is true for the anti Zionist Presbyterians as well as the pro Zionist Baptists.
Front Page is a Christian "Restoration" site. The ad to the right of Robert's piece advertises such luminaries as John Ashcroft, Rush Limbaugh and Wayne LaPierre as speakers at the next get-together. While this is not a followup to Giaour's points, they do apply.
I actually prefer the term 'Dominionist'. 'Restorationism' describes a 19c US movement, the 'Campbellites'.
Seams a new TV show in Iraq like that of Cops in the USA called in the hands of Justice!!!
Is working!!
Looks like the Iraqi People want FREEDOM after ALL!!!
Cspan3??
Remember KKK Bird was against the war from the begining??
Well KKK Bird once said he would rather see the Flag of the USA Trampled in the mud and destroyed than fight with a colored person???
On Cspan he had Q?s Well his Buddy [KKK member] in MIS got 60yers!!!! For killing 2 Jews and a Black Person 40 years ago!!!
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/05/12/bushamigo.shtml
Russia Is Not Our Enemy — Bush
Created: 12.05.2005 11:44 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:44 MSK
MosNews
President Bush said Wednesday he was amazed to sit in Red Square this week and celebrate the end of World War II in Europe next to the leader of Russia, a nation that has become a friend of the United States, the Associated Press news agency reported.
Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin palled around Moscow together during Putin’s grand VE-Day celebrations, trying to minimize the backstage sniping between their two camps. Bush continued to put the best face on their relationship as he welcomed members of Congress to the White House for a personal debriefing of his four-nation trip.
“Russia is not our enemy,” Bush said. “Russia is our friend, and it’s important that we work together to achieve peace. Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on certain issues, but we don’t have a difference of opinion on working together for peace.”
NOW HOW CAN SAUDI ARABI DO THIS???
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/06/23/railroadsaudi.shtml
Russian Railways Invited to Build Railroad in Saudi Arabia
Created: 23.06.2005 10:19 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:44 MSK, 4 hours 58 minutes ago
MosNews
Russia’s transportation monopoly Russian Railways has been invited to participate in the construction of a Trans-Saudi railroad, the company’s press service, quoted by RIA Novosti, reported on Wednesday, June 22.
The president of Russian Railways, Vladimir Yakunin, met with a delegation from Saudi Arabia, which proposed that the Russian company participate in the construction of a land bridge 1,200 kilometers long that would connect ports on the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea.
WHAT ABOUT THE INDFEL PROBLEM???
AND IF THE ARABS ARE SO SMART WHY CAN'T THEY BUILD THEIR OWN TRAIN TRACKS??
I THINK ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE TRYING TO DIVIDE??
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/06/22/waroutbreakanniv.shtml
Russia’s Putin Lays Wreath Commemorating Anniversary of Nazi Invasion
Created: 22.06.2005 15:44 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 15:44 MSK
MosNews
Russian President Vladimir Putin laid a wreath Wednesday at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Moscow to commemorate the 64th anniversary of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, The Associated Press reported.
Putin, joined by other high-ranking Russian officials, also placed flowers at the memorial honoring the Soviet Union’s “hero cities” that fought off Nazi forces.
WHO HAS MORE IN COMMON??
RUSSIA FOUGHT WITH THE USA AGAINST THE NAZIS AND WE CAN'T FORGET THE MULSUM SS WHO WERE DESTROYED IN STALINGRADE!!!
OH CHESS IS SUCH A WONDERFUL GAME!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN
Giaour, Loxias,
Don't hold your breath waiting for me "admit that the Falwells and Dobsons were an immediate threat to the Republic," or that the Christian Right poses a greater threat to the US than the Islamic jihad.
I will not because I do not believe those things.
You say: "Falwells attitude is a mirror of the mullahs, that he hasn't publicly expressed the death penalty, does not mean that it isn't in the flling cabinet..it is. He's a Reconstructionist and the death penalty (stoning preferred) is in the filing cabinet."
This is patently absurd. The mullahs don't have stoning in the "file cabinet." They stone people now. They have never in their own countries concealed that this is what they want to do. Hani Ramadan even praised it publicly in France, in Le Monde. Your assertion that Falwell is keeping it all a secret until he gains power, just as they did, founders on the fact that they never kept any of this a secret.
You say that "Hitler didn't announce that he was going to throw Jews, Gypsies, Socialists, Commies, Poles, homosexuals into concentration camps did he, but anyone who had read Mein Kampf would have know that, it is the same with the Reconstructionists."
This too is absurd. I wonder if you have actually read Mein Kampf, or Hitler's speeches in which he was quite open about his desire to create a Europe in which no Jew lived.
Your assertion that these Christians want to do this kind of thing, but are being mum about it for now, is baseless paranoia. If it isn't, bring me evidence: statements endorsing stoning from Christian leaders. Secret protocols, whatever. In the absence of such statements, your claims are as absurd as those of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: fantastic slanders with no basis in fact, of the kind that can be levied against any group.
As for FrontPage being a "Christian 'Restoration' site," this demonstrates the absurd paranoia of your worldview. Horowitz is not a Christian. Nor are many of the people who post there regularly.
Now, as I have asked before, please go away and take your absurdities to a "Christian Restoration Watch" site. Found it yourself if you have to, and you can play your little games there and color all you want. I am trying to do serious work here to fight against a genuine threat to universally accepted notions of human rights, as are enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and elsewhere, and I have had much more than enough of your moral equivalence arguments, which I am coming to see more and more are the single greatest obstacle to people understanding the reality of the jihad threat.
But the jihad threat is real. Your charges are sick and slanderous fantasies. Present your evidence as I requested above, or it will be clear to all that you are just working out some anti-Christian animus, and no one should take you seriously.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Robert:
Amen re: the moral equivalencers and thank you for JihadWatch.
which revealed that what is being taught in those mosques: “material promoting hatred, intolerance, and violence within United States mosques and Islamic centers.” What’s more, “these publications are often official publications of a Saudi ministry
Why not tell the truth? It all comes from the Koran
One tract featured in the report tells Muslims: “Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law.”
009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
005.051 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors {authorities]: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them first] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. {TREASON in America
009.005 fight and slay the Pagans ''''wherever'''' ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.
009.123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you.
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight [jihad], smite at their necks. [Behead them!]
“To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah’s way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government. The military education is glued to faith and its meaning, and the duty to follow it.”
008.065 O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight.
009.038 O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
009.044 Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting with their goods and persons. And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty.
002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing [war] which is good for you and that ye love a thing [peace] which is bad for you?
009.039 Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.
the Islamic Affairs Department (IAD) of the Saudi embassy in Washington featured this statement on its website: “The Muslims are required to raise the banner of Jihad in order to make the Word of Allah supreme in this world, to remove all forms of injustice and oppression, and to defend the Muslims.
And to think that such a thing is aloud to have freedom here in America. Freedom that non-Muslims made altimate sacrifices for - only to have the leaders of the U.S. allow such Treason to flourish.
The 'moderate' Muslims have not been truthful:
004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home. But those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a special reward.
The 'moderate' Muslims call their own 'allah' a liar.
If Muslims do not take up the sword, the evil tyrants of this earth will be able to continue oppressing the weak and [the] helpless…”
Ever see an actual beheading?
Jam 2:13 He shall have judgment without mercy, THAT HATH SHEWED NO MERCY; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
The Koran commands it of the Muslims
Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers]. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible…. The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah from the leadership of man
The "Diversity" and "Tolerance" preachers [they know who they are] have stirred the recipe for great bloodshed.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Nevertheless, the Saudis are the foremost and most moneyed exponents of such ideas around the globe today.
whether in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir, or southern Sudan
Well there ya go - the truth exposed - a truth that Amnesty International - The Council of Europe - the U.N. even the Clinton administration refuses.
Oh - by the way - don't forget about the Serbs and the Albanian Muslims [ and 'former' Yugoslavia {Thanks to the Clinton administration]
at least 50 percent of the current operating budget of Hamas comes from ‘people in Saudi Arabia
Islam - fighting to destroy the name Israel - to set up 'a holy one of Islam'
The Islamic world takes their religion very seriously. The problem is - none of the rest of the world has.
And that's a disgrace - because the Lord of the Bible already condemned Palestine. The Koran never mentions it - leaving ALL of Islam without excuse for such a demand. The Koran mentions the name Israel - BUT NOT the name Palestine!
which was enacting the Vatican’s plan to eradicate Islam and Christianize the world
Don't that beat ALL? They're were among the loudest "Diversity" and "Tolerance" preachers
The Vatican's king even kissed the Koran - a book that calls the Son of God an abomination.
Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz described U.S.-Saudi relations as “excellent.” He praised “the good relations and the will of cooperation between the two countries to serve Saudi interest first of all.”
And the simple buy it.
Senator Specter and the other senators who sponsored this bill are to be commended — and every American should hope that their efforts bear fruit.
Only when the relentless persuing anti-Son of God is confronted - once and for all.
What makes anyone belive that Saudi Arabia is going to give up their agenda? to have Islam ruling the whole world?
But few seem to have taken heed in official Washington
What will it take? Bringing down the Twin Towers didn't do it....watching a VICIOUS attack on the Belsan children didn't do it. SEE} Wailing Heard in Russia [But was it heard? really]http://palestinename.com/heartbreak.htm
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE!!!! For the world to accept the fact - that the Koran of Islam will NEVER let there be peace with non-Muslim nations?
004.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.
008.039 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere.
Falwells attitude is a mirror of the mullahs, that he hasn't publicly expressed the death penalty, does not mean that it isn't in the flling cabinet..it is. He's a Reconstructionist and the death penalty (stoning preferred) is in the filing cabinet.
Posted by: Giaour
DO NOT LET THIS ONE SLIP BY!!!!
I 'heard you' Giaour - and here is what you don't know - that you THINK you know:
Lev 24:16 He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation [of God] shall certainly stone him: [What is a 'stone'? according to the Word?] as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, ''''shall be'''' put to death.
Key words Giaour - "shall be"
Act 4:11 This is the stone [Jesus or - Word] which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Jer 51:57 They shall '''sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, ''' [second death] saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.
There was a death that reigned already} Rom 5:14 from Adam to Moses.
Isa 31:8 Then shall the Assyrian fall with the sword [of God - His Word], not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him.
Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Ecc 3:5 A time to cast away stones, [out of the resurrection of Life] and a time to gather stones together; {in the resurrection of the righteous] a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Zec 8:17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD.
Mr. Spencer-
Agreed.
The only "stoned" that the Christian Right are doing anything about are at AA meetings.
Giaour-
I dislike the hysterical fringe extremist elements in nominal 'Christiantity' (the "God Hates Fags!" idiots*) as much as I dislike the loud-mouthed lunatics of any creed.
But the over-the-top (un)Christian 'fanatics' are as rare as the 'extremely liberal' elements in Islam.
Worry less about the average guys and gals trying to keep a Christmas creche on the courthouse lawn than the people inside trying to rewrite the codes to include the cuckoo's eggs of Sharia Law.
The Inquisition isn't coming back.
But the Imperialist Islamicists ARE coming forward.
Fighting the right battle at the right time is half the war.
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(*If the Bible is right, then God is an hermaphrodite, anyway. "In our image, in our likeness... male and female... [we] created them...."- Genesis 1:26-28.)
I have a question for Mr. Spencer if he has time to address it:
Your article says the Accountability Act calls for sanctions/punishment in the event of noncompliance by the Saudis. I think it safe to assume noncompliance by the Saudis. Therefor:
Question: What sanctions/punishment do you think congress will enact (call for) in the event of noncompliance with the Accountability Act by the Saudis? What sanctions/punishments do you think would have a desired effect on the Saudis?
Thank you.
omvi - like it or not - it will be the Muslims and all other religions who will decide this world's fate - and the leaders won't be able to stop it - because they'll be outnumbered.
And no - Saudi Arabia is not going to abide by any law that an 'infidel' nation puts forth.
Never going to happen
This is not a comment about this particular article, but a question in general. Aren't you afraid that you will be assassinated someday? As for myself I'm very reluctant to ever post a comment that might be construed anti-Muslim for fear of having my head chopped off. I don't even like talking to Muslims. Even when you talk with an educated Muslim, forty minutes into the conversation he will say the most outrageous thing. They're all just perilously insane.
Giaor..
You crack me up. Your ability to ramble, but completely misapply history, but at the same time define someone who I can guarentee you have no knowledge of is astounding. And most dangerously tell me what militant uprising this person would create based on... What you have seen him on TV? You saw him speak one time?
Where were you when OJ Simpson was in football and movies, you should have spoken up about the dangers that he would place his future wife in.
Why not focus on the people that are killing, raping, and TRYING TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY. You are trying to change the issue away from our real enemy, and create a bad villian that has not done what you claim he is going to.
I enjoy it when Mr. Spencer jumps into the fray and confronts us commenters with his whip-smart comebacks, as he does from time to time.
As a supporter of this web site(and Faith Freedom.org, and others of the same ilk) who has become wise to the Islamic threat, I do find it somewhat true that many here seem to be overtly Christian in their stance. That's alright with me, since Christianity is the majority religion in the country, and I agree with many of its tenents, especially the tenents professed by Jesus. But there does seem to be lines being drawn in the sand between Christianity and Islam.
But is there a danger here in fighting Islam as a threat to everything we love here in the West by making it a Christian versus Muslim war?
The truth is that here in America the one's who have become wise to Islam are mostly conservatives, and many of them are Christian. (Not all, such as David Horowitz, as Mr. Spencer has noted.) I consider myself to be a Christopher Hitchens liberal(one who for the most part leans left, yet is not blinded by leftest ideology and can see the dangers of Islam). I believe in the US CONSTITUTION and all its values, and also the UN DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, which was based on our Bill of Rights.
And whenever I argue with people(or make comments on Leftist Blogs about the ugly truths of Islam) I'm immediately branded as a "right-wing wacko," a "Rush Limbaugh Republican" or a "crazy Christian Evangelical"
Funny thing is that I'm not a Republican or a Christian, but the perception of many on the LEFT is that if you critcize ISLAM, you must be a Christian Right-Wing Fox News Watching Republican.
So I guess the question is this: In what ways can Jihad Watch and other sites try to "convert" non-Christian Americans, liberals, and such, to become anti-Jihadists?
I know it's difficult. I have some "lefty" friends who refuse to criticize Islam even after I present all this evidence to their face. I've even sent them to Jihad Watch and they dismiss it as "Christian Propoganda."
In order to fight against Islam destroying the West, we need all Americans, that includes Christian and non-Christian alike, conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democarats.
Question is how can this be done? Or, can it be done? Or will the Left and non-Christians be "left behind." (no pun intended)
If some Muslims are violent, it does not make Islam a violent religion.
Most of the Saudis love American food. I was there for 7 years and the most popular food was "Donuts."
Given a chance, the Saudi population would be happy to live in peace with the other people.
Saudi Arabia is the king of evil, we must end the relationships now.
Mr. Spencer!!
GOLD STAR FOR YOU TODAY!!!!
June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160321,00.html
House Passes Flag-Burning Amendment
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure rejected twice by the Senate in the past decade but expected to get a closer vote this year.
By a 286-130 vote — eight more than needed — House members approved the amendment by the required two-thirds majority after a debate over whether such a ban would run afoul of the Constitution's (search) free-speech protections
YOU CAN GO HERE TO SEE HOW YOURS VOTED!!
WHO THINKS IT IS OKAY TO LEAVE THIS LOOP HOLE??
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
VIDEO IN NYC OF CRAZY MULSUMS!!!
NAYS 130 ---
THESE ARE THE CONGRESS WHO SAY THIS IS OKAY???
Abercrombie, Ackerman, Allen, Baldwin, Becerra,Berman, Blumenauer, Boucher,Brady(PA), Butterfield, Capuano, Cardin, Carson, Case, Clay, Cleaver, Conyers, Cooper, Cummings, Davis (AL), Davis (CA), Davis (IL), DeFazio, DeGette, DeLauro, Dicks, Dingell, Dreier, Ehlers, Emanuel, Engel, Eshoo, Evans, Farr, Fattah, Filner, Flake, Frank (MA), Gilchrest, Gonzalez, Green, Al Grijalva, Gutierrez,
Hastings( FL), Hinchey, Hoekstra, Holt, Honda, Hooley, Hoyer, Inslee, Israel,
Jackson (IL), Johnson, E. B., Jones (OH), Kennedy (RI), Kilpatrick (MI), Kind, Kolbe, Kucinich, Larsen (WA), Leach, Lee, Levin, Lofgren, Zoe Lowey, Maloney, Markey, Matheson, Matsui, McCollum (MN), McDermott, McKinney, Meehan, Meek (FL),
Meeks (NY), Millender-McDonald, Miller (NC), Miller, George, Moore (KS),
Moore (WI), Moran (VA), Nadler, Napolitano, Oberstar, Obey, Olver, Owens, Pastor, Paul, Payne, Pelosi, Petri, Price (NC), Roybal-Allard, Rush, Ryan (OH), Sabo, Sánchez,Linda T.Sanders, Schakowsky, Schiff, Schwartz (PA), Schwarz (MI), Scott (VA), Serrano, Shadegg, Shays, Slaughter, Snyder, Solis, Stark, Tanner, Tauscher,
Thompson (CA), Tierney, Udall (CO), Udall (NM), Van Hollen, Velázquez, Visclosky, Wasserman Schultz, Waters, Watson, Watt, Waxman, Weiner, Wexler, Woolsey, Wu
SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!
JUST A REMINDER!!
May 03, 2003
FAILURE TO FIND SADDAM PROVES HE NEVER EXISTED
(2003-05-03) -- Six weeks after the invasion of Iraq, Pentagon officials are quietly beginning to acknowledge that their failure to find Saddam Hussein may be proof that the Iraqi leader never existed.
"We hate to admit it," said one unnamed official, "One of our main reasons for going in there was regime change. You know...overthrow a brutal dictator who tortured his own people. But at this point, we're not sure there ever was a Saddam Hussein. After all, if we don't have him dead or alive...who's to say?"
The military official said that the statues, murals and videos of Saddam Hussein are "circumstantial evidence which don't prove anything."
"I try to look on the bright side," he added. "Maybe we'll luck out and find a few chemical weapons so the war won't have been a total waste."
Experts agree that evidence of actual atrocities against Iraqis lacks the news value that potential atrocities against Westerners would have.
by Scott Ott
I wish some one would pick a state like Ill. Or NY, and list for the whole state for a year of 2004 for the whole state! Accidental deaths, murders, car deaths, rapes, robbry’s, just for oneyear report every bad thing that happened in the state the fires all of it, and then remember it is a part of the USA and not at war with anyone?? Even school fights!!
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Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT,AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
I also remember the polls said Kerry won the Election??
Don't think the American People have given up!!!
Nuh..
I think (just my opinion) the differance is the "do'ers and say'ers".
Republicans and Democrats have alot of Christians in both parties. I don't believe there is any differance in the people, just the views that they focus on.
For instance: "Stand firm against your enemy" vs. "Turn the other cheek" vs. "judge not lest ye be judged".
People have migrated towards views that they feel comfortable with, or otherwards "feel good stories" even to the point of taking the above comments out of context.
People don't like change, insecurity, or a redefinition of society. And what we are asking is all of the above.
And at the same time there is alot of misinformation making matters worst. When we had societies that were educated people could make decisions, schools taught true history. Now we have societies that are not be educated, that are making their decisions from the news reporter or the Michael Moores, and our schools are removing true history for the PC movement and ideology.
This was Hitlers first application in Germany was to dumb down the decision making and history in schools, so that people would look to the goverment for decisions.
People have become too lazy to choose and they don't want to believe, because that means they would have to do something about it.
A friend of mine called from Cincinnati last week and reacted to a comment that was made about muslims. She had been to a Pro-muslim/Democratic party enlightenment meeting. They educated her that the koran and the bible are the same, word for word (just different languages). Allah and God are the same. We all believe the same things.
They were already seeking to find a answer that would mess into what they wanted to hear. They got it, they feel confirmed and they now feel good.
When asked to go compare the Bible to the koran word for word, the response was "no, I don't need to, I already heard the truth".
This is what we are fighting. Hearts and minds.
Saudi Arabia held accountable? HA! Not with THIS administration. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Gaiour, you've got to admit that Christianity has pretty much evolved into a secular, democratic culture. The "burn the witches and fags!" fringe are just that: the fringe.
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Be that as it may, Mr. Spencer, you are so very very good at chastising the people that point out the (many) similarities between Christianity and Islam; do you think that you could do some work on some of the other commenters, like the ones that seem to have some difficulty with English?
A typo here and there is one thing; we all do it, even great writers like Hugh Fitzgerald make typos. I even saw a typo in Stephen King's Susanah's Song recently where the lead character, Roland is referred to as "Ronald."
But scream-typing in all caps, bizarre punctuation, non sequiturs; one after another after another should not be allowed (Note: extra-long cut&pastes from newsmax.com don't make up for it.)
I'm not going to call any names, because I play by the rules and past experience has shown me that the rules include an injunction against insulting any non-liberals.
Perhaps you could also weed out some of the rampant OT and make an argument akin to this:
Now, as I have asked before, please go away and take your absurdities to a "Senator KKK Bird" [sic] site. Found it yourself if you have to, and you can play your little games there and color all you want. I am trying to do serious work here to fight against a genuine threat to universally accepted notions of human rights, as are enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and elsewhere, and I have had much more than enough of your petty political arguments, which I am coming to see more and more are the single greatest obstacle to people understanding the reality of the jihad threat. But the jihad threat is real. Your charges are sick and slanderous fantasies. Present your evidence as I requested above, or it will be clear to all that you are just working out some anti-Liberalanimus, and no one should take you seriously.
And while it is true that David Horowitz isn't a Christian (apparently... remember Dr. Laura and her "mysterious conversions"?) I think that his site could be called a Christian Reconstruction Site, since the main thrust of his campaign seems to be fighting "the homosexual agenda," lying about feminism, disparaging the lib'ruls and academics, and--when he has time--fighting the jihad and helping Israel.
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Which reminds me... somebody is all a-quiver over an amendment to the US Constitution to prevent freedom of expression. How about calling out the names of those US Senators that refused to cosponsor the apology for the senate failure to do anything about lynching? They're all in the same party, so it shouldn't be too hard to mention them all because you won't have to note each one's political affiliation.
Until you do, my dear, drop the "KKK Bird" crap and tell us about the "Lynching-was-no-big-deal" Senators.
Botox lady from congress had a bad hair day on Cspan 3 after her press conference? Didn’t see the red light still on seams the democrat plan is to pound the dead so the American People will lose support for the war?? Also the tom Brokuall listing of names tonight is a part of the plan??
SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!
WHO THINKS IT IS OKAY TO LEAVE THIS LOOP HOLE??
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
VIDEO IN NYC OF CRAZY MULSUMS!!!
NAYS 130 ---
THESE ARE THE CONGRESS WHO SAY THIS IS OKAY???
Abercrombie, Ackerman, Allen, Baldwin, Becerra,Berman, Blumenauer, Boucher,Brady(PA), Butterfield, Capuano, Cardin, Carson, Case, Clay, Cleaver, Conyers, Cooper, Cummings, Davis (AL), Davis (CA), Davis (IL), DeFazio, DeGette, DeLauro, Dicks, Dingell, Dreier, Ehlers, Emanuel, Engel, Eshoo, Evans, Farr, Fattah, Filner, Flake, Frank (MA), Gilchrest, Gonzalez, Green, Al Grijalva, Gutierrez,
Hastings( FL), Hinchey, Hoekstra, Holt, Honda, Hooley, Hoyer, Inslee, Israel,
Jackson (IL), Johnson, E. B., Jones (OH), Kennedy (RI), Kilpatrick (MI), Kind, Kolbe, Kucinich, Larsen (WA), Leach, Lee, Levin, Lofgren, Zoe Lowey, Maloney, Markey, Matheson, Matsui, McCollum (MN), McDermott, McKinney, Meehan, Meek (FL),
Meeks (NY), Millender-McDonald, Miller (NC), Miller, George, Moore (KS),
Moore (WI), Moran (VA), Nadler, Napolitano, Oberstar, Obey, Olver, Owens, Pastor, Paul, Payne, Pelosi, Petri, Price (NC), Roybal-Allard, Rush, Ryan (OH), Sabo, Sánchez,Linda T.Sanders, Schakowsky, Schiff, Schwartz (PA), Schwarz (MI), Scott (VA), Serrano, Shadegg, Shays, Slaughter, Snyder, Solis, Stark, Tanner, Tauscher,
Thompson (CA), Tierney, Udall (CO), Udall (NM), Van Hollen, Velázquez, Visclosky, Wasserman Schultz, Waters, Watson, Watt, Waxman, Weiner, Wexler, Woolsey, Wu
SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
ARUBA FATHER OF THE DUCTH YOUNG MAN ARRESTED???
This one's for You, kj!
News articles report the inability to pass any of the 200 anti-lynching bills that were submitted over the years as a failure of the entire Senate, and supporters of the bill think it's despicable of these 15 Republicans to not support it - after all, what kind of a person isn't against lynching - but all of these outraged folks are overlooking the simple basic facts of history. Every one of the anti-lynching bills which failed in the Senate was overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and mostly sponsored by Republicans. They failed entirely because of the efforts of the Democratic party to shut down any kind of civil rights legislations, a party position which lasted until the 1960s.
Out of 200 anti-lynching bills only 3 made it out of the mostly Democrat controlled House of Representatives, and all three of those failed in the Senate because of filibusters against them by Democrat Senators like Strom Thurmond and Theodore Bilbo who used the filibuster to block the Republicans in the Senate from ....
http://www.fontcraft.com/csa/weblog.php
"If some Muslims are violent, it does not make Islam a violent religion."
Posted by Mohideen.
True. In order to judge a religion, one must go to the canonical texts and see what messages lie within. One can quickly assertain, however from the Qur'an, Hadith and the Sira that the treatment of Unbelievers through violent Jihad contained mainly in the teachings in Suras 2,5,8,9, and 47 and related hadith is far from peaceful. In fact it is such teachings that inspire the Jihadists to wage their eternal war on the Dar-al-Harb and it's inhabitants. The doctrine of Naskh (abrogation) also ensures that in Islamic Jurisprudence, the earlier Meccan "peaceful" Suras have no weight against the later violent ones noted above. Do you disagree with this, Mohideen? If so, please offer a thorough refutation of what I have just said, based purely on Islamic teachings. I am sure Mr Spencer would be most pleased to have his 25 year search for such an argument ended here by yourself.
"Given a chance, the Saudi population would be happy to live in peace with the other people."
Posted by Mohideen
Please offer any evidence from Islam's canonical texts that Muslims are permitted to live in peace in the Dar-al-Islam with Unbelievers who are not "people of the book". If you manage this, please explain how this is not abrogated by Sura 9.5, which according to the Muslim scholar Ibn Juzayy, "abrogates every peace treaty in the Qur'an". Are you suggesting that the Saudi population are not obedient to Islam and would rather live amongst the kuffir in peace than to do what the prophet Muhammed ordered? What evidence do you have of this?
Your answers, or your refusal to answer will be duly considered by those who post here.
"So I guess the question is this: In what ways can Jihad Watch and other sites try to "convert" non-Christian Americans, liberals, and such, to become anti-Jihadists?"
Excellent question. Even though 9/11 has caused more Americans to move to the right, almost half of the eligible voters voted against Bush. If we do not address this issue, we cannot win.
Liberalism has been hijacked by postmodernism. Consequently, liberal culture is dominated by political correctness, multiculturalism, subjectivism (a feelings oriented outlook)...
The liberals of today bear little resemblence to the liberals of the 18th and 19th centuries (Montesquieue, Bentham, Tocqueville, Mill). These people were not ashamed to express pride the culture that gave them the tools to think.
What to do?
1) Fix liberalism: We cannot make a diagnosis without studying what went wrong. Thanks to Frontpagemag.com, I know that much of it can be attributed to the Postmodernist and the Deconstructionist movements. Thanks to Cubed (at Sixth Column Against Jihad), I know that the roots of this movement began with Emmanuel Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason." The Postmodernists deconstructed every value that made the West so great. It's time to deconstruct the fraud of Postmodernism.
2) Clean up some of the language in the commentary at JW. We don't help our cause at all when we use this site as a place to vent our spleen. Calls to "ban Islam" or "nuke Mecca" only hurt our cause because a)No adminstration in America will ever consider this. b)JW Watchers use these comments against us. c)It is counterproductive for winning over liberals who are sitting on the fence.
Perhaps Robert should incorporate a disclaimer addressing his personal opposition to both of these measures as a permanent feature on the JW website.
Thank You Gary!!!
ROTFL!!!
Where were the Democrats to stand up for our troops when DICKI DuRBIN said calling our troops nazis??
nothing from the DEMOCRATS FOR 2 WEEKS UNTILL DAILY WHOS SON IS IN THE MILITARY TOLD HIM TO SAY HE WAS SORRY AND DICKI STILL DIDN'T SAY HE WAS WRONG???
NOW HILLIARY IS UPSET WELL WE DON'T CARE WE GOT OUR MOJO BACK AND ARE GOING TO FIGHT THIS WAR ON ISLAMIC TERRORIST WITH YOU OR WITH OUT YOU!!!!
AS FOR
Question is how can this be done? Or, can it be done? Or will the Left and non-Christians be "left behind." (no pun intended)
Posted by: nuh at June 23, 2005 04:56 PM
THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU IN YOUR NEIGBORHOOD IF YOUR PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS FIGHT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST HAVE DECLARED WAR ON THE WHOLE WORLD AND PUTTING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND WILL ONLY GET YOUR BUT SHOOT OFF!!!
HOW YOU GET YOUR FRIENDS TO UNDERSTAND IS YOUR JOB THERE IS PLENTY OF HELP OUT THERE IF THEY ONLY COME TO THE COMMENT LINE AND DON'T READ THE NEWS STORY'S THIS IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD POINT OUT!!
AS FOR kj AND I AND OUR FIGHTS IT IS LIKE BROTHER AND SISTER BUT WHEN THE FIGHTING STARTS WE KNOW WHO THE REAL ENEMIES ARE!!!!
SOME HOW I DON'T THINK NICK BERG OR THE 12 MEN FROM NEPAL, OR MR ANDERSON IN SAUDIA ARABA WHO HAD THEIR HEADS CUT OFF WERE CHRISTIANS??
OR ALL THE PEOPLE THIS IS HAPPENING TO IN THILAND OR THE PHILLIPPENS MATTER OF FACT THEY ARE AND HAVE BEEN BUDIST???
NO NUH IT IS YOUR JOB TO MAKE YOUR FRIENDS SEE THE LIGHT???
YOU HAVE A HARD JOB IN FRONT OF YOU YOU COULD RUN AWAY BUT YOU WILL SOON FIND THERE AINT NO WHERE TO RUN!!!
THE MONSTERS ARE REAL!!
HARD FOR NORMAL PEOPLE TO GET THEIR HEADS AROUND IT BUT IT IS TRUE THERE REAL MONSTERS OUT THERE!!!
THE PROBLEM YOU WILL HAVE IS WILL THE PEOPLE WHO FIGHT THINK YOU ARE WORTH SAVING SEAMS THESE THINGS ARE CHANGING ON ALL FRONTS??
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
--Albert Einstein
AND I WILL ADD SLAMING THOSE WHO STAND UP AND FIGHT THE EVIL IS NOT A GOOD THING AND WE SEE THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM THE LEFT!!
THESE MIGHT BE SOME THESE TO SEND THEM TO OR PRINT THEM OUT SO YOU KNOW THEY READ THEM??
http://www.islamistwatch.org/main.html
A Letter From Osama bin Laden to the American People
released to press 11-17-2002 or thereabouts
Why teaching the truth about history is so important??
http://www.islamistwatch.org/main.html
Jihad against Jews and Crusaders
issued by The World Islamic Front, Feb 23, 1998
http://www.islamistwatch.org/main.html
Declaration of War on America
August 23, 1996 Hindukush Mountains, Khurasan, Afghanistan
By Usama Bin Laden
WHAT WERE OUR CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT CLINTON DOING WHEN THIS MONSTER DECLAIRED WAR ON THE USA??
THAT IS NOW OLD NEWS TIME TO MOVE ON AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THIS WAR THAT HAS BEEN DECLAIRED ON THE USA!!
TIME TO FIGHT FOR SHORT SKIRTS AND BEER AND WINE!!
THIS MONSTER[which I think is changed his sex??] HAS HIS ARMYS LOBBING OUR GOVERNMENT THEY HAD BETTER STAND UP FOR AMERICA THE STAKES ARE TO HIGH FOR THEIR SILLY GAMES!!
WHAT WAS IT SEN. FIENSTIEN SAID 44,000 OTM’S WELL SEN. THAT IS JUST WHAT WAS CAUGHT??
THEIR ARMYS HAVE BEEN LET IN BY THE LAW MAKERS BECAUSE THEY WERE PLAYING GAMES !
up date 90,000
ME I BELIEVE IN THE 2ND AMENDEMENT AMERICA'S ORIGINAL HOMELAND SECURITY!!!
REMEMBER A GUN IN HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 COPS ON THE PHONE!!
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Catherine (Little Miss All caps) writes "Where were the Democrats to stand up for our troops when DICKI DuRBIN said calling our troops nazis??"
Durbin didn't call the troops Nazis.
Perhaps you should review hsi exact remarks before you comment further.
Meanwhile Karl Rove just said the liberals only wanted moderation after 9/11, but the resolutions authorizing action were passed 98-0, and like 430-0 in the Senate and House respectively.
I await Karl Rove's retractions, as well as yours.
If some Muslims are violent, it does not make Islam a violent religion.
Most of the Saudis love American food. I was there for 7 years and the most popular food was "Donuts."
Given a chance, the Saudi population would be happy to live in peace with the other people.
Posted by: Mohideen Ibramsha at June 23, 2005 04:57 PM
DO YOU KNOW YOUR OWN HISTORY??
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=article&id=1726
Arabs Recognized Israel - 1919
by Chuck Morse
December 20, 2002
Feisal accepted the British Balfour Declaration of Nov. 2, 1917, which afforded recognition to a Jewish national homeland, and agreed with the Zionist delegation, stating, "All such measures shall be adopted as we afford the fullest guarantee of carrying into effect the British Government's Balfour Declaration." Emir Feisal confirmed this determination in a March 3, 1919 letter to Harvard Law Professor, and later US Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter, to whom he wrote: "Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted by the Zionist organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as modest and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through. We will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."
In exchange for Arab recognition of Israel, the Allied powers, in 1919, agreed to the eventual sovereignty of almost 20 Arab states, covering vast oil-rich lands, after a period of mandatory oversight by European powers. The Europeans would proceed to draw the borders of their respective mandates and, in essence, create the system of Arab states that would emerge out of the remnants of the old Turkish Ottoman Empire. In 1922, a couple of years after the Conference, in a land for peace deal, the British would split Mandatory Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish Mandate using the Jordan River as the line of demarcation. The Arabs were granted East Palestine, or Transjordan, which would later become Arab Jordan while West Palestine, or Cis-Jordan, would become the Jewish National homeland of Israel.
SO ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE SEEN THE MULSUMS LIE AND TRY TO STEAL LAND NOT THEIRS!! THEY SIGN A TREADY GET WHAT THEY WANT THEN BREAK THE TREADY WHY ARE WE THE WEST PUTTING UP WITH THIS SH-T!!!!!!!!!!! MAYBE IT IS TIME TO TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY!!
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1_jewish_role.php
What role did the Jewish population play in World War I?
The Zionist cause was bolstered by Chaim Weizmann's professional work. As head of the British Admiralty Laboratories from 1917 to 1919, Dr. Weizmann developed a process for the manufacture of synthetic acetone at a time when the British needed it desperately. He isolated certain organisms found in cereals and horse chestnuts and within a month had created synthetic acetone for British explosives. Near the end of the war the British Prime Minister, Lloyd George (a Christian Zionist), offered Weitzman an award for his assistance in the war effort. In a classic statement, Weitzman declared, "I want nothing for myself but rather a homeland for my people." This was the impetus for the Balfour Declaration.
AND SAUDIS AGREED AS YOU SEE!!!
NOW EATING DONUTS DOES NOT MEAN YOU LIKE AMERICANS??
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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
WHAT ABOUT THIS HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU??
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
HOW CAN WE TRUST??
Qur’an 33:14 “Say: Flight will not avail you if you flee from death, killing, or slaughter. In that case you will not be allowed to enjoy yourselves but a little while. Say, ‘Who will screen you, saving you from Allah if he intends to harm and injure you?’”
DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO GET ALONG TO ME HOW CAN WE TRUST??
Ishaq:519 “Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ‘I have money scattered among the Meccan merchants, so give me permission to go and get it.’ Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.’”
THAT DON'T LOOK GOOD TO ME TRUST FACTOR??
Qur’an 5:41 “Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.”
FOOL ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!!
WELL AMERICANS SAID ENOUGH!!!
Qur’an 5:101 “Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble.”
AGAIN WE HAVE THE TRUST FACTOR GOING ON SINCE YOU GET SO VEXED AND CAN NOT Q?
Tabari VI:110 “When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad has repented of [reneged on] what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah. He has altered [the bargain] and brought something else.’ Those two phrases which Satan had cast on Muhammad’s tongue of were in the mouth of every polytheist. The Messenger said, ‘I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.’”
SO THIS IS WHO YOU FOLLOW A MAN WHO LIED AND MADE THINGS UP??
AGAIN THE TRUST FACTOR
I'm afraid crusher is right. Durbin said this:
'If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans'
He didn't call our soldiers nazis outright- but that's what he is very strongly trying to get across with his hyperbole.
giaour~ I was a paying member of the Souther Poverty Law Center for 9 years. I avidly read every single one of their publications.
I just checked their website tonight. 5 mentions of 'reconstructionists.' 'Dominionist' - Zero.
Five. They've been online for well over a decade. Must be one Hell of a threat (pun intended) if Morris Dees is giving it so much attention.
Now, let's get back to the Saudis and get Bush to sign this thing into power!
Keith:
"I'm not going to call any names, because I play by the rules and past experience has shown me that the rules include an injunction against insulting any non-liberals."
I am sorry that you continue to spread such despicable and fantastic smears.
Must I ban you, or will you stop slandering me on your own accord? Do it on some other site, won't you? Goodbye.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
A message to Durbin, Pelosi, Kennedy and other Democratic liberals in a new Rassmussen poll of 1000 Americans this week.
Are detainees at Guantanimo being treated fairly?
Better then they deserve 36%
About right 34%
Unfairly 20%
Don't Know 10%
In a separate finding only 14% of those polled agreed with Dick Durbin's assertions comparing the treatment of detainees at Gitmo to the Nazis and Stalin.
While Dick Durbin worries that a terrorist wet his pants during an interrogation average American's don't care. Most people know what's important is to keep those want to kill us locked up.If this continues I predict that rather then losing seats Republicans will gain seats during the 2006 mid-term election.
Robert S
I am picturing that KJ (Keith) is Al Gore or Howard Dean.
No one in the public eye wants to see or hear them, so the internet is their only forum hiding in secrecy their identity, while their agenda is obvious.
Whoever Keith is, he is like the few that is out of touch with America and the American people, not all but the majority. They inpress theirselves by yelling at a conservative or someone trying to do good, never fixing the issue, never giving a idea, only yelling a disagreement, and most of the time not on subject. Then they feel good amongst theirselves that their voice was heard, but the fail to see they never said anything.
Have a great day Robert S.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44923
Debunking another Gitmo myth
Posted: June 22, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
Newsweek. Amnesty International. Jimmy Carter. Dick Durbin. The Guantanamo Bay-bashing continues.
In a rant published Tuesday, the Minnesota Star Tribune actually castigated Durbin for "caving in" on his slanderous remarks comparing U.S. treatment of detainees at Gitmo to torture and genocide by Nazis, Soviets and Pol Pot. The paper wrote that Durbin shouldn't have apologized and decried the entire operation as a "hellhole."
But it's not just unhinged liberals who keep piling on.
CRUSHER WHAT A NAME YOUR MOTHER MUST HAVE REALLY HATED YOU!!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/20/nuclear.security/index.html
Illegal immigrants worked at nuclear weapons facility
But Department of Energy report says nothing was compromised
From Michael McManus
CNN Washington Bureau
Tuesday, June 21, 2005; Posted: 10:38 a.m. EDT (14:38 GMT
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sixteen illegal immigrants last year worked on construction at one of the most sensitive weapons sites in the country, according to a report issued Monday by the Department of Energy's inspector general.
The inspector general's investigation found the illegal immigrants were construction workers on jobs at the Y-12 National Security Complex near Knoxville, Tennessee.
The workers used "false documents" and "gained access to the ... site on multiple occasions," the report said.
The report details how the workers, apparently using fake green cards, were able to obtain access badges.
"This situation represented a potentially serious access control and security problem," the report said.
WHERE IS DICKI DURBAN ON THIS???
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155531,00.html
Corruption Allegations Embarass Chicago Mayor
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
CHICAGO — Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (search) said Wednesday that new disclosures of corruption in city government, including allegations that payoff money found its way into his campaign fund, have left him "hurt, embarrassed, disappointed."
"Clearly, I'm not proud or pleased," Daley told a news conference, his first since a former city water official pleaded guilty to taking payoffs from trucking companies and said some of the money went to campaign funds, including Daley's.
OH MY!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160036,00.html
Hunter: Gitmo Release Policy 'Too Liberal'
Monday, June 20, 2005
WASHINGTON — Countering calls to close down the military prison holding suspected terrorists swept up in roundups, Rep. Duncan Hunter (search), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, has called the release policy at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "too liberal."
"Of the people that we've released, we've captured a number of them or killed a number of them back on the battlefield in Afghanistan," Hunter, R-Calif., told FOX News on Sunday. "The question is, are we liberal enough in the application of our standards that determine who we release back into the world. I think some American parents who have kids out there would argue we're too liberal."
NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKEN ABOUT!!!
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200506211013.asp
June 21, 2005, 10:13 a.m.
Republican Democrat Scandal!
Hatred can be so blinding.
It seems there is no limit to Paul Krugman’s hatred of the Republican party. And apparently there’s no limit to the New York Times’s willingness to embarrass itself by printing yet another hilarious error-filled column by America’s most dangerous liberal pundit.
In his Friday column, Krugman attempts to spit out the salacious details of scandals involving Republican politicians in Ohio. But what Krugman doesn’t seem to know is that many of the politicians he’s talking about are Democrats! And because the Times does no fact-checking of its op-ed columns, his absurd blunders now live forever in the “newspaper of record.”
OH MY??
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/miami/sfl-620terrorsuspects,0,1872289.story?coll=sfla-news-miami
Lawyers for 2 in 'dirty bomb' terror case allege misconduct at jail
By CATHERINE WILSON
Associated Press
Posted June 20 2005, 12:23 PM EDT
MIAMI -- Attorneys for two terrorism suspects tied to an alleged al-Qaida dirty bomb suspect are asking for the dismissal of a federal indictment against them based on a jailer's mishandling of a Quran and intimidating jail cell searches that removed handwritten papers in Arabic.
The defense claims the seizures from the cells of Adhan Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi in May and June amount to government misconduct and an unconstitutional intrusion on trial preparation.
Jailers also disrespectfully tossed Hassoun's Quran on his bunk and left 8,000 pages of trial papers in disarray, his attorney Kenneth Swartz said in motions filed Friday.
WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS ON THIS ON DICKI OH DICKI???
http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8839465
'Close or clean up' Guantanamo – Clinton
Mon Jun 20, 2005 09:43 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Former President Bill Clinton has said the United States should either "close down or clean up" the Guantanamo Bay prison for foreign terrorism suspects.
In an interview with the Financial Times published on Monday, Clinton said American or British troops would be at much greater risk if they had a reputation for abusing people.
"Well, it either needs to be closed down or cleaned up," Clinton said when asked whether the camp on Cuba should close.
OH MY WHERE SHOULD WE PUT THE KILLERS WHO WOULD CUT OFF PEOPLES HEADS IN ILL PRISON BUT THEY HAVE HAD 6 MURDERS THIS YEAR GITMO 0???
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18446
The Man Behind the Attack on Guantanamo
By Rocco DiPippo
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 16, 2005
The general leading the force to free the captive enemy from the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, and inflict a humiliating defeat on the United States is so-called “civil rights” and “Constitutional” attorney Michael Ratner. It was Ratner who led the way in recruiting elite lawyers to defend the enemy combatants being interrogated at Gitmo. But Ratner is a long-time leader of two pro-Communist and anti-American organizations who have for decades have lent aid and comfort to America's enemies in the Cold War and beyond.
Michael Ratner is a lawyer who began his legal career in the late 1960s at the National Lawyers Guild, a Soviet created front group which still embraces its Communist heritage. He worked his way up through the NLG’s radical ranks to become its president, then moved on to hold the same position at the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), which share's the NLG's anti-American radicalism and was founded by pro-Castro lawyers Arthur Kinoy and William Kunstler. Among its many outrages, the CCR has defended domestic and international terrorists, and has honored Ratner's NLG colleague and convicted terrorist enabler Lynne Stewart, a modern Legal Left idol. Since 9/11, Ratner and his comrades have attempted to extend undeserved “civil rights” on Islamist murderers with notable success. On this front, Ratner and the Legal Left have dealt America its few setbacks in the War on Terror.
One year ago the U.S. suffered its first major loss in this war, a strategic and propaganda defeat, related to America’s abilities to imprison and interrogate enemies that it captures. Abu Ghraib was a huge propaganda victory, both for Islamists, who used it to “justify” their violent attacks, and for fifth column leftists, who made use of the media’s saturation coverage to portray the U.S. as the world’s biggest oppressor, the Bush administration as a cabal of Nazi thugs
OH MY BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING??
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5079208,00.html
White House Castigates Durbin for Remarks
Thursday June 16, 2005 7:31 PM
By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House said a senator's comparison of American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot was reprehensible and a disservice to those serving in the military.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said it is ``beyond belief'' that Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin would compare treatment of dangerous enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay to the death of millions of innocent people by oppressive regimes.
OH MY AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE UK GETS THINGS RIGHT!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159724,00.html
200 Illegal Immigrants Nabbed in New England
Thursday, June 16, 2005
BOSTON — Nearly 200 illegal immigrants who were ordered deported for committing crimes were arrested during a six-day undercover sweep across New England (search), federal authorities said.
Dozens of federal, state and local law-enforcement officers began a search Friday for the roughly 200 people targeted in the sweep; by Wednesday afternoon, they had arrested at least 187 illegal immigrants.
WHERE OH WHERE WERE THE DEMOCRATS ON THIS ONE??
AND NOW FOR DICKI DURBIN!!!
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44846
The senator said if he didn't identify the source of the information "you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime."
Yesterday, after the remarks drew outrage from talk radio and weblogs, Durbin refused to back down, charging that right-wing media misrepresented his remarks.
He insisted he wasn't criticizing service personnel but pointing out abusive treatment of prisoners was something more likely in "repressive regimes" than the United States.
NOW MAYBE YOU GREW UP IN A TRUNIP PATCH, BUT WHO IS DOWN THERE AT THE PRISON?? AMERICAN MILITARY CIA FBI AINT NO REGIMES DOWN THERE JUST GOOD OLD AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WATCHING A BUNCH OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST CAUGHT ON THE BATTLE FIELD AS FOR LETTING THEM GO DON'T HAVE TO AS LONG AS THE WAR IS ON SAYS SO IN THE GINIVA CONVITION MATTER OF FACT ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LET THE RED CROSS HAVE AXIAS!! THAT IS WHAT THE GINIVA CONVETION SAYS READ IT!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTRY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
Gary writes: "'If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans'
He didn't call our soldiers nazis outright- but that's what he is very strongly trying to get across with his hyperbole."
I'm not defending Durbin's hyperbole, which it was, but that wasn't the impression I had. "soldier" doesn't appear any where in Durbin's statement. Granted these jihadists are buttwipes, but since when do we sink to levels of depravity ourselves.
At any rate my main concern w.r.t to Gitmo and other "detention centers" is that there are people in places like Gitmo or Abug Gharib who really had no business being there. The majority, if not vast majority of detaines at Abu Gharib were released.
Without any vetting process to even make an effort, even a small one, to see who the cretins are and aren't is a problem for me.
Catherine writes "CRUSHER WHAT A NAME YOUR MOTHER MUST HAVE REALLY HATED YOU!!"
Catherine, my mother helped me grow up. I suggest yours should start helping you.
And I hope your not cut and pasting copyrighted material.. that can get you and Spencer in trouble.
And now me..
"WHERE IS DICKI DURBAN ON THIS???
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155531,00.html
Corruption Allegations Embarass Chicago Mayor
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
CHICAGO — Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (search) said Wednesday that new disclosures of corruption in city government, including allegations that payoff money found its way into his campaign fund, have left him "hurt, embarrassed, disappointed."
"Clearly, I'm not proud or pleased," Daley told a news conference, his first since a former city water official pleaded guilty to taking payoffs from trucking companies and said some of the money went to campaign funds, including Daley's."
What? Corruption in Chicago?
ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!
I lived in Chicago for three years. Politics there may sure be corrupt, but at least its entertaining. In a corrupt way.
I'm not exactly sure what Durbin has to do with it. Do you have any evidence of his involvement?
Meanwhile, how is Tom " Shake down the Indians" Delay?
Surely one of the most efficient ways to crush dissent is in fact to find a way to export it to other countries.
So well brainwashed are these terrorists that they fail to see the immense corruption of their own Leaders
And this is what SA has been doing for a long time.
In fact i would suggest that next to oil ,terrorism is Saudi Arabia biggest export.
But it may be that as happened with the US support of Al qaeda, their terrorist exports will turn on them.
Of course it is far preferable and safer to have your wahabists abroad fighting for Islam.
And since most of the world is targeted it may be a long time before Saudi is itself consumed by its own terrorists.
In the meantime The US must stop feeding the monster and develop Nuclear fission and Nuclear Fusion . The latter would solve both the problem of Saudi Arabia and the Carbon emissions.
Giaor
Hitler didn't announce that he was going to throw Jews, Gypsies, Socialists, Commies, Poles, homosexuals
that statement is so incredibly ignorant that it actually disgust me.
Bill in Virginia, what nonsense.
First, muslims don't 'stink', not any i've met, anyway. Even muslims with very dangerous ideas don't stink, any more than uber clean nazis do.
Secondly, burning down mosques ! Why ? Burning down churches wouldn't stop Christians from believing and praying.
The only benefit would be that the Saudis would send some of our oil money back to America to fund a massive mosque rebuilding campaign, so unless your concern is to help correct America's massive balance of payments deficit, you are on the wrong track.
It is frustrating Bill, but keep the peace.
Islam is an evil ideology, and one thing we can all do is to spread that word.
I have some "lefty" friends who refuse to criticize Islam even after I present all this evidence to their face. I've even sent them to Jihad Watch and they dismiss it as "Christian Propoganda." Posted by: nuh
Sorry, nuh. Liberals are notoriously lacking in one essential quality: common sense. Fact is, if they don't *get it* by now, then they never will. Your liberal friends are hopelessly lost and nothing will wake them out of their stuppor. Maybe another 9/11, but I doubt even that would sway them. After the initial shock, your friends would shift into "Blame America First" mode and beg for more "understanding" and "cultural awareness," even as we dig the remains of our countrymen out of the smoldering ash. In fact, it took only a week after 9/11 for the intellectual cranks to go on the attack, blaming America for all the ills of the world.
Like I said: liberals = zero common sense.
Correction--I should say "too many" liberals have no common sense. Because for every Christopher Hitchens there are a hundred Amiri Barakas.
crusher: everyone is concerned that the innocent could be caught up & unfairly confined at gitmo, however i think most americans at least would disagree with you in two ways:
1) it seems very, very improbable to most people that innocent noncombatants would somehow end up in gitmo ... low-level taliban, yes, but innoncent noncombatants? nah! ;o)
2) it is al qaeda, not the u.s., who chose not to wear uniforms & who therefore caused the unfortunate situation, if it ever occurred, of accidental incarcerations of innocent noncombatants at gitmo. granted, we are responsible for how we respond to al qaeda's misbehavior, but the overall responsibility for the problem lies with al qaeda, not the u.s.
hope you find this perspective helpful :o)
David Horowitz isn't a Christian (apparently... remember Dr. Laura and her "mysterious conversions"?) I think that his site could be called a Christian Reconstruction Site, since the main thrust of his campaign seems to be fighting "the homosexual agenda," Posted by: kj
As someone who once participated in a chat room with Mr. Horowitz, I must disaggree with your characterization. Horowitz has stated on the Dennis Miller Show that he has no quible with homosexual marriage. He elaborated further on the chat room when he said that gay marriage was not a serious threat, relatively speaking, to America, whereas the islamic problem is. He took some fire for saying this, too.
One wonders whty Catherine didn't report on this?
I apologize for the off topic post. But it was necessary to make a point.
"Instead, in what is probably the twilight of his career, the 63-year-old Taft is mired in a scandal that started with a questionable state investment in rare coins and has the governor and other Republicans all the way up to President Bush scrambling to give back potentially tainted campaign contributions.
"There are some days on this job I wish I'd stayed in teaching," Taft, a former Peace Corps volunteer in East Africa, quipped during a recent speech.
Taft's approval ratings are at record lows.
"His political service is over to the state," said Charles Burke, a political science professor at Baldwin-Wallace College. "I don't think he could be elected dog catcher in Cincinnati."
Politically, the scandal may not matter to Taft, who has all but ruled out seeking another office when his term ends next year. But his legacy could be at stake."
Investing state monies in rare coins? hilarious.
Fish writes "crusher: everyone is concerned that the innocent could be caught up & unfairly confined at gitmo, however i think most americans at least would disagree with you in two ways:
"most Americans"?
Don't presume to speak for most Americans.
1) it seems very, very improbable to most people that innocent noncombatants would somehow end up in gitmo ... low-level taliban, yes, but innoncent noncombatants? nah! ;o)
How do you know, and what is your evidence?
2) it is al qaeda, not the u.s., who chose not to wear uniforms & who therefore caused the unfortunate situation, if it ever occurred, of accidental incarcerations of innocent noncombatants at gitmo.
Again without any vetting process, you are presuming them to be Taliban or Al quaeda. Again thousand were released for Abu Gharib, with no evidence that they did anything other than perhaps be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If a vetting process produced evidence they were AL queada or Taliban, I couldn't give a rats butt what happens to them. But without so much as a vetting process... you are begging the question.
granted, we are responsible for how we respond to al qaeda's misbehavior, but the overall responsibility for the problem lies with al qaeda, not the u.s.
The US is responsible for how it treats the people under its dentention period Even the Nazis for the most part treated POW's well. Contrast that to the Japanese.
hope you find this perspective helpful :o)"
Not really. It doesn't address my concerns. Basically, your saying don't be concerned. Thats not good enough.
But thanks for sharing :-)
Robert Spencer: As for FrontPage being a "Christian 'Restoration' site," this demonstrates the absurd paranoia of your worldview. Horowitz is not a Christian. Nor are many of the people who post there regularly.
"Absurd paranoia"? No. Rather, it's the sanest possible analysis of what the Christian right is really up to.
Elsewhere, there have been references to old Christian fundamentalism, which has accurately been portrayed as in severe decline, represented by the likes of Bob Jones University (and their good friend and fellow-traveller Ian Paisley). Old fundamentalism was often racist, just about always virulently anti-Catholic, and reeked of anti-Semitism and supercessionism.
The new fundamentalism, represented by the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the Dallas Theological Seminary axis are mainly dispensationalist based. Dispensationalists are not anti-Jewish in the usual historic sense; they are in fact exuberantly Zionist and anti-supercessionist in their theology.
Christian Dominionism and Christian Reconstructionism are somewhat different; the latter tends away from dispensationalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism
kj: And while it is true that David Horowitz isn't a Christian (apparently... remember Dr. Laura and her "mysterious conversions"?) I think that his site could be called a Christian Reconstruction Site, since the main thrust of his campaign seems to be fighting "the homosexual agenda," lying about feminism, disparaging the lib'ruls and academics, and--when he has time--fighting the jihad and helping Israel
This response is close to my original point. Horowitz seems to like the term 'Restoration', however, a seeming attempt to be non-sectarian. Horowitz is into some very strange things.
Robert Spencer is correct is saying these neo-fundamentalists are not an imminent (or even long-term) danger. With the uneasy coalition they've formed with the Republicans, they still get kicked in the teeth on some of their own hot-button issues, e.g., stem cells and the recent Schiavo case; the secular right and the big-money interests will otherwise always throttle them on issues that count to them. Nonetheless, their ultimate agenda would seem just as bigoted, just as homicidal as those of the Islamic jihadists.
I think Robert's point is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and thus, the Recon-Dominionists are his friends (even though they really are not). Fine, for the moment at least, but be wary of the very long, very sharp knives they keep in readiness.
I believe in the US CONSTITUTION and all its values
Posted by: nuh
Article. VII of the constitution of the United States of America:
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America \ This is what Islam is attacking! The Son of God is an abomination in Islam 019.088 {Koran
In what ways can Jihad Watch and other sites try to "convert" non-Christian Americans, liberals, and such, to become anti-Jihadists?
Posted by: nuh
By exposing the laws of the Jihadists:
009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [a special second class citizen 'fine'] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. {Violent discrimination?]
033.052 It is not lawful for thee to marry more women after this, nor to change them for other wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess as handmaidens
They are permitted to trade back and forth the ones they took as prisoners of war [after killing their men] - as though they are merchandise - just so they can have ''their way'' with them. [''justifiable'' mass rape]
Is that ok with you nun?
How about this one?
047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight [jihad], smite at their necks. [Behead them!]
"I believe in the US CONSTITUTION and all its values"
Then get up and do something about the Koran - because it violates the US Constitution
If some Muslims are violent, it does not make Islam a violent religion.
Posted by: Mohideen Ibramsha
No Mohideen - the Koran does. People don't make a religion violent. The teachings do.
People have become too lazy to choose and they don't want to believe, because that means they would have to do something about it.
Posted by: alaskan1000
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
--Albert Einstein
THANK YOU CATHERINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without any vetting process to even make an effort, even a small one, to see who the cretins are and aren't is a problem for me.
Posted by: Crusher
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
Take a look at it Crusher
I think Robert's point is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and thus, the Recon-Dominionists are his friends (even though they really are not). Fine, for the moment at least, but be wary of the very long, very sharp knives they keep in readiness.
Posted by: Loxias
Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
As for your friends Loxias....
Psa 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
Jer 9:8 Their tongue [prophet] is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait.
Crusher,
Fishboy is correct, it's unfortunate if any "innocents" have been detained by the US military but the responsiblity for thus detentions lies with Al Qaeda and the Taliban not with the US government.Under the laws of war combatants have a duty to self identify by wearing uniforms or when captured by giving name, rank and serial number.Terrorists hide among civilians and refuse to self identify when captured thus leading perhaps to a few "innocents" being captured.Islamic terrorists violate the laws of war, thus the responsiblity for any "innocents" who are detained lies with Al Qaeda not with the US government.
Beth, do you have an actual response..
Since when should our values be guided by the Koran?
I could care less what the Koran says. I don't see why that is so important to you unless you are a Muslim.
Rox writes "Fishboy is correct, it's unfortunate if any "innocents"
Unfortunate indeed.
have been detained by the US military but the responsiblity for thus detentions lies with Al Qaeda and the Taliban not with the US government."
That is wrong. US and the US alone is responsible for how the US treats its prisoners.
Under the laws of war combatants have a duty to self identify by wearing uniforms or when captured by giving name, rank and serial number.
No argument. Nor is it relevant to the argument I'm making.
Terrorists hide among civilians and refuse to self identify when captured thus leading perhaps to a few "innocents" being captured.Islamic terrorists violate the laws of war, thus the responsiblity for any "innocents" who are detained lies with Al Qaeda not with the US government."
Not one of you take issue that thousands were released from Abu GHarib, who were only guilty of being in the worng place at the wrong time. Instead you make excuses for it. THat innocents can get caught in our nets is emminently understandable under the circumstances. However, there should be a process to determine who these folks are, and there isn't.
Without any vetting process, you are begging the question. You cannot assume they are all terrorists, or even most of them terrorists, without any vetting procedure.
Crusher,
Al Qaeda declared war on the United States back in 1998 yet they refuse to obey the laws of war. The Al Qaeda training manual directs operatives to lie when captured even though under the laws of war they have a duty to self identify as combatants by giving name, rank and serial number. The duty to self identify by wearing uniforms or giving name, rank and serial number is to prevent "innocents" from being detained.The point is that if you have concerns about "innocents" being detained by the US military those concerns should be directed to Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri and Mullah Omar.The US government is not responsible for any "innocents" who may be at Gitmo. Those in Gitmo were captured on the battlefield by the US military. It's up to Al Qaeda operatives and Taliban soldiers to behave honorably by self identifying as combatants so that any "innocents" who may have been detained can be released.Osama Bin Laden could solve the "problem" by writing a new Al Qaeda training manual, instructing operatives to obey the laws of war by wearing uniforms and giving name, rank and serial number when captured. That would make it far less likely that any "innocents" would be detained.
I could care less what the Koran says. I don't see why that is so important to you unless you are a Muslim.
Posted by: Crusher
What does the title "Jihad Watch" mean to you Crusher?
Does it mean Democrats against Republicans?
Is it offensive to the "innocents" ???
What does it mean to you Crusher?
crusher: how is it that the u.s. "released thousands" from abu ghraib, but somehow did so without having any vetting process as you contend? did they draw lots? flip coins? ;o)
wouldn't it be highly irresponsible or at least grossly incompetent for our soldiers to "release thousands" without some sort of vetting / interrogation process?
what does this say about how you view our troops? hmmm... ;o)
also, re: roxanne's excellent posts expanding on the idea of al qaeda's being ultimately responsible for any innocent detainees due to their refusal to wear identifying uniforms or insignia ...
i think your response wasn't very convincing at all, so are you ready to say 'uncle' on al qaeda bearing some responsibility? ;o)
saying that the u.s. is solely responsible for the actions it takes IN RESPONSE to the situation al qaeda created may be a clever bit of sophistry aimed at obscuring al qaeda's responsibility (who's side are you on, anyway ;o), but once we remember that the issue in question is who bears ultimate responsibility for the SITUATION vs. each of us always being responsible for our own behavior, your argument boils down to ... avoidance?
so surely you don't believe that the u.s. is solely responsible for the SITUATION, surely you would agree that al qaeda by not wearing uniforms etc. caused this whole mess to begin with, right? hope so :o)
"Emad Alaabadi, a Saudi citizen who converted from Islam to Christianity, was arrested in December 2004 and has likely been tortured."
Please send a letter to your congresmen and president requesting the secure release of this and other prisoners of conscience in the Saudi gulags.