From Islamonline, "Sezer Vetoes Penal Code Over Religious Schools," with thanks to KAOSKTRL.
ANKARA - Turkey's President Ahmet Necdet Sezer Friday, June 3, vetoed a government-sponsored law reducing penalties for unauthorized religious schools teaching the Noble Qur'an, arguing that it infringed on the secularist principles of the Muslim-majority country.The provision was part of a package of amendments to the Turkish penal code, spearheaded by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).
The article, which would have enabled those convicted of opening and running "illegal" educational institutions to escape with a fine rather than a jail term of up to three years, triggered accusations that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government is condoning "religious fundamentalism", according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).
Sezer, a staunch secularist who has often clashed with the government, said in a statement that he had returned the law to parliament for reconsideration because it "is encouraging the opening of illegal educational institutions."
The principle of secularism "is the cornerstone of the values on which the Turkish Republic is founded," he said.
"It is obvious that the country's unity in the future will be endangered by the perverted mindsets of citizens educated in illegal separatist and religious educational institutions," he said.
The parliament will now review the law, and if it passes it for a second time unchanged, Sezer has no other option but to approve it. He can, however, ask the constitutional court to annul the legislation...
The chip, chip, chipping away of secularism in Turkey continues...stay tuned for future developments.
And so ends the experiment in democratic secular government begun by Ataturk.
Can the West have control of the Hagia Sofia back before it is re-turned into a mosque again?
(I mean, if the invading Muslims can continue to control the Dome of the Rock/ Temple Mount site, why can't the West at least have back the great church it built which was stolen by Muslim invaders of Constantinople?)
Anyone hear the weather report from Hell today?
It still amazes me that the EUelite are STILL trying to cram Turkey down the peasants throats. I think Turkey really screwed up when they voted not to allow the US to use their territory for troop movement. They were betting on a grand future with their girlfriend EUelite, now it looks like the dowry may not be delivered.
The only friend we seem to have in that area is the Kurds. That's it.
I m revolted that washington seems hell bent on this idea I dont think it was a head fake to insure france would go against US .
These policy wonks are incaplable accepting what is plainly selfevident in favero of some delsusional islamic reform daydream.
this situation compelled me to write this opinion
Gather round and hear a story so frightening it will make your blood run cold.
There were once to camp grounds near here, they were at constant odds stealing each others mascots panty raids tipping over each others outhouses pranks and raids death and mayhem.
they have been at odds since the days of sailing ships at sea and really before that,
These Two camps, one in a deep interlocking self confirming delusional state following a obviously fraudulent divine revelation.
It told them they have the supposed right to rule the world. They must subjugate those who don’t think as they do and when the have consolidated their power eradicate them. and that is gods judgment.
The other camp busied orchestrating a fraud on its citizens trying to convince them that despite what the Quran and hadith say literally, it is radical who have distorted the “holy books” that we respect deeply the religion and the books and those who follow the faith.
They are playing a increasing less convincing wizard of OZ.
The curtain has been flung aside irrevocably. When the books say to subjugate and eradicate none Muslims and you must do this or die trying or you are going to hell it is not radicalism when the words come out and buildings explode ,
These are acts of true believers who follow the doctrine that says disbelief is worse than murder.
Camp two is working to create an illusion who foundation is has been seen and rejected the rand report specifically The report entitled “Civil Democratic Islam” states on page 37 that: “Modernism also applies the principle of Maslaha, or public good,…as something that was thought to override even the Qur’an itself”.
This illusion is supposed to produce a new interpretation of the final word of god the Quran a book so poorly written it can hardly be considered a book in the normal understand of a book
But for what its worth it makes its point the cliff not version say's Mohammed was a prophet of god he has decided that only Muslims deserve to live so you must die.
The end.
I don’t know how you change the word of god but, hey these are the people available .
They are difference between the best available and the currently available to hold the offices in question
While we comfort and delude ourselves with these flights of fancy daydreaming this is the fix..
Camp one nods glassy eyed bemused and smirking signs any meaningless paper we resolve to ourselves this is the solution.
Both sides lying to the same party camp two, camp one doesn’t care that it lies nor does it care that camp two knows it lies.
Camp one has only one purpose ,survive until its numbers are great enough to seize political power
One block, one neighborhood, one voting district, one state, one country at a time.
Once in power it will foment ill will among contrived subsets and minorities forcing gullible softhearted neighboring Camp Two to take the refuges in.
These immigrants will use laws to help import new first wave invaders increase their numbers and grow until they can seize political power one block one neighbor hood one congressional district at a time .Repeat.
Camp two is so practiced and its people are so easy to lie to it they expect it without question. They want to be lied to so the drama plays out on TV. Half the Camp two is so obese they would die of heart failure if they camp leader told them the truth.
The a good part of the rest are so poorly educated by there contemptuous camp leaders that they cant discern truth from fallacy with both hands a flashlight and a blood hound .
A third would grab their redneck long guns and start hunting down the invaders from camp one or so they would have us believe. They rest could not care less as long as it doesn’t preempt the reruns of wheel or jeopardy.
In any case come June 8-9 the two camps will have a meeting” to see if they can come up with a mutually agreeable lie .
It will be led By an accomplished piano player and an accomplish liar Kamal Nawash
Who may be the world greatest tap dancer, I dont know he is a product of a think tank known as Rand who ironically enough my uncle used to work for until he was killed for being a communist
symapthizer , whose partner in crime, when confronted with the uncomfortable fact that the documents on his website, that presented his arguments for Islamic reform lacked the critical elements required to hold scriptural water replied with a precise “FUCK YOU” .
So lets wish them well as the travel to the land of Don Quixotic and waste our time and money and craft a lie of overwhelming credibility that those in the lands with out toilets and chairs, freedom or liberty ,whose only comfort is the book they want to rewrite will fall for it
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It had better be a good one. I cant wait to see it.
Nite nite sleep tite.
KAOSKTRL-
Would that be 'Rocinante' Rice, by any chance, trotting to the rescue with another apology?
A very short lesson in 'Islamic democracy' and Freedom:
1) The Koran forbids any thought but 'Koranic thought'.
2)The majorities in 'Islamic states' are Muslims who believe that the Koran is the 'unchangeable and perfect' word of 'God'.
3)Democractic voting in such a place will bring about a Muslim victory at the polls.
4) Once in power, Muslims will insist on Sharia (Islamic) Law and the Koran as the foundation of the state.
Result: Theocratic tyranny.
The REAL avenue to freedom is: a secular constitution prohibiting religious dominance.
Otherwise, you merely ratify the ignorance of the majority.
Constantinople is about to fall for the second time to the Islamic hordes.