UK soccer team drops sponsor logo to avoid offending Muslims

Bloody freakin' unbelievable!
Time infidel fans take back soccer from moslem madness! Say that if so-and-so club gives in to wanton unreasonable demands, they are gonna lose support....

Now that the no smoking lobby have cigarette advertising and sponsorship banned (and I lost my Dad to a smoking related cancer so I am not unsympathetic to that particular restriction) they are moving on to alcohol for moral reasons anyway. So this sort of thing is going to become more common and harder to resist even without the Islamic influence. Likewise pork products and the "meat is murder" lobby. As I have just had pork pie salad washed down with a glass of Czech lager you can guess where I stand. Soon the only acceptable sponsors will be fair trade organic fruit farms and purveyors of bottled water.

And another thing - There have been Methodist football supportors for generations who have followed their consiences without expecting the world to change for them.

Okay, that takes the biscuit. I'm definetely going to support Celtic from now on. Shame on you, Rangers - traitors!

Stop cowtowing to muzlims! If they don't like it, there's the door to the Middle East.

What makes this simply unimaginable - more than unbelievable, unimaginable - is that Rangers are norotiously sectarian in the still-smouldering religious divide that runs right across the city of Glasgow. Celtic has always been the Catholic side, Rangers the Protestant one. And this was no nice, well-behaved rivalry; only a couple of years ago, one of Rangers' top directors was caught on video, to the scandal of all Britain, singing hate-ridden anti-Catholic songs along with a selection of inebriated friends. So these guys can be vulgar, vicious and threatening to Scottish Catholics; but they suddenly turn meeker than kittens to a few Muslims.

This reminds me of a similar strange hypocrisy among Swedes, who, after having been notorious for decades for treating their Catholic Italian immigrants like filth, now grovel before the far more unmanageable Muslim immigration.

Hey, this isn’t just about football… these malignant meddling Mussies are attacking our Western Christian culture.

Proverbs, Chap 31
"6": Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
"7": Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Ecclesiastes (Qoheleth), Chapter 9
"7": Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
Psalms, psalm 104
"15": And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Sirach (Apocrypha), chapter 31
"27": Wine is as good as life to a man, if it be drunk moderately: what life is then to a man that is without wine? for it was made to make men glad.
Sirach (Apocrypha), chapter 32
"6": As a signet of an emerald set in a work of gold, so is the melody of musick with pleasant wine.

What’s next… “sorry you can’t partake of the Holy Sacrament, it’s offensive to the Muslim community.”

This is just the thin end of the wedge.

Have you ever seen such party poopers? They don't like something, so they ruin it for everyone else.

"The sponsor doesn't mind, and the shirts with the logo are still available."

King: This is nothing more than a marketing move. If they think can sell more shirts this way, and presumably they do, they are simply making a marketing decision. It is obvious to someone that folks of Islamic roots spend a lot of money for soccer.

Here in the US, many professional teams are marketing their licensed swag to the large Spanish speaking populations in California, Texas and FLorida that support Major League Baseball. So what?

"The Muslim Association of Britain today called on Celtic........"

Celtic. Now lets get this right. The Celts are a distinct group of people, albeit the name of a footy team.

Next the Celts will be called upon not only to change their sponsor’s, but their name, as it represents a culture that is NOT Islamic.

Paolo - you really dislike protestants don't you? Know of any local Catholic churches where I can pay the Pope my indulgences. Hopefully it doesn't cost to much these days, as I have a few bills to pay. Oh, how long do you think it will take for the new Pope to become a "Koran kisser" like the last one? Do you think he will speak out against all the Catholics slaughtered in Indonesia, and the lack of justice that government is showing in bringing these murders to account?

Still don't see any tolerance from this backward death cult and I expected the trolls to excuse intolerance.
Islam = Lies,intolerance,murder,rape,genital mutilation and paedophilia.
Very childish muslims are,the "if I can't have it neither can you" disease.
By the way Granny Weatherwax banning tobacco advertising hasn't reduced people from smoking, the true killer(besides Islam) is ALCOHOL.A lot more lives have been lost through alcohol than cigarettes and its been proven that peer pressure is the reason most people start smoking at a young age not advertising.
Mind you this won't be the last thing muslims will whinge about,its a never ending story for them.

Bit by bit and piece by piece, the Borg gleam at every minute gain.

The small victories, unnoticed by the apathetic majority, leave the Islamic finalization of the Infidelic puzzle to be complete.

What a happy village we will become...

Muzzies r against alcohol,drug etc.... what rubbish.

What finances their terror campaign? Drugs ofcourse.

Many muzzies here sell alcohol even while they have a donation box for local mosque in their conershops!

May b when it comes to profit, those Koranic verses which pertain to prohibition are ignored.

BTW Rangers were never able to perform outside Scotland. Even a First Division team culd lick them. So why's this appeasement?

Quite funny. Muslims must go behind close doors and just laugh because it is so easy.

Moose

How much longer before all those crosses on all those European flags have to be removed because they offend muslims?

I can't forget the Parade of Nations at last years' Olympics in Greece: all the muslim nations with their crescents on their green [and other color] flag; and all those Scandinavian, Swiss, Greek, British, etc. flags with crosses. Enjoy while we can...

Vikrant_Camberleykar, the Muzzies are against drugs. Muzzies can't have them, but its OK to sell them to infidels as we are sub human in their eyes - or booty if your a female from the age of nine and up.

It's like they are a "religion of Peace". All those infidels are in the "House of War". So when Islam spreads, its spreading "Peace".

Its the same with violence. Once you are in the GANG of Islam (or is that 'House'?) you are forbidden to be violent, that is, against other Muslims (women excluded - if they are your wives, and ye fear disloyality, first admonish them, second refuse to share your bed (thats probably more of a reward for the woman!) then BEAT THEM as the Koran goes). So Muslims aren't violent - to other male Muslims (unless a Mufti or local leader declares them apostates - I've met an ex fundamentalist Muslim from Iran who's been on the recieving end of a peace loving Mufti, thankfully he is now a die hard Christian out spreading the 'bad news' about Islam - why don't our "intelligent" agencies recruit these apostates of Islam, they know the culture, they accept and love ours, and are against Islam? Oh that's right is a "War on Terror" and they are probably "Equal Opportunity Employers").

Muslims always seem to leave off the "fine print" that comes with their cult. Maybe we need signs up around our cities,

'Islam - Religion of Peace! (fine print would read - Infidels not included)"

I know plenty of Muslims who drink alcohol, so this part of Islam always puzzles me. In Turkey alcohol is readily available in grocery stores and corner shops (Johnny Walker and Jack Daniels nestled right up against domestic Turkish wines, sarap!) The licorice flavored raki, otherwise known as lion's milk, is the country's traditional alcoholic drink. In the tourist areas bars and pubs are common. Never noticed any indications that anyone took any offence to this.

Jen-

It has nothing to do with "consistency" (they drink secretly themselves, so why would they try to stop the infidels from drinking, also?) or meaning, it has to do with an ongoing pressuring of the kafir to see if they will cave in.

And the sound of the European civilization collapsing under this infinitesimal pressure of whining ("whinging") Islamicists is truly amazing. And saddening.

With a little money-pressure, the Islamicists erode the cultural underpinings of their invaded lands. Chiseling their way into the heart of the West.

And gutting it bit by bit, in order to have a space for them to replace.

Aided by the supine suckers of Old Blighty.

Jen,

Certainly, as the Leftists always remind us patronizingly, Islam is not monolithic, and there have been large pockets of traditions of drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco, drinking coffee & tea, belly-dancing, etc. (read the "1001 Arabian Nights" for a glimpse into the luxurious side of Islam). However, what we can say is that these traditions of this-worldly pleasure show that even a puritanically and eschatologically pathological culture composed of millions & millions of disparate peoples continuing through hundreds of centuries cannot uniformly and perfectly live up to its totalitarian ideals, and Life goes on, and Life seduces.

Pockets of glimmers of mental health sprout up here and there like fields of flowers amid the vast Umma that is based upon a rabid puritanism with an eye to conquer the world in order to usher the world into the End of History and Allah's Judgement, and Total Paradise. In Islam, nevertheless, there is always the original Font (Koran and Hadiths) to which the fundamentalist fanatics can turn in order to invoke their superior and accurate condemnation of pockets of Muslim subculture that express degrees of accomodation with the mystery and pleasure of this life whose End no man knows, only the Father.

And in our era, it seems the fundamentalist fanaticism has caught fire again in an offensively anti-Western manner, after a long lull (for the past 3 centuries) of decadence, weakness, obscurity, and mostly only internecine violence.

I wonder always how many Muslims, those who are reasonable and self critical, realize that most of us would prefer to be tolerant and have a friendly feeling about all peoples of the world. That moreover there would be no ax to grind about Islam if it were able to exist alongside other faiths. But it cannot, as the leaders of the faith are the first to say, If the western left would give them half the chance and actually open their ears and minds to the reality that life is not a small liberal arts campus. It may happen that a liberal Islam develops over a few centuries as Christianity did, creating the environment for the Enlightenment and liberal democracy.

Here, a well versed and articulate Mr. Khan, argues with another poster on some or another site about the appropriateness of Islamic law in the modern world, suming up just about every problem anyone reasonable person would have with Islam, who would otherwise not have any more gripe against the followers of Muhammud than it would the followers of Joseph Smith:

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I'd like to remind you of a sister from Nigeria who committed adultery (I seem to have forgotten her name), and the stoning her to death was put in practice. The whole world was panicking when this occurred! Even in the United States, newspapers/TV shows and all forms of media, addressed this issue. But if you realize, almost nobody emphasized what that lady from Nigeria was telling the reporters. Do you remember what she said? I don't know her exact words, but I know for sure, that she was in complete agreement with the capital punishment of stoning her to death. She would of rather be punished in this world than in the next (I urge you to study what makes up Faith in a Muslim). That is true patience! Patience leads to good results. Sure, the Nigerian Shariah is incomplete and they are not considered an Islamic State. That is why many Muslims today are working to establish this true Islamic State, and then show the world, the justice of Islam.

Finally, for those who say Islam is a 'peaceful' religion are themselves deceived. Islam came to establish this peace on earth. To establish peace, one has to wage a mighty struggle against injustice/oppression/exploitation against all godless/unjust systems and ideologies (but they must first wage a struggle against their own selves, to purify their own hearts from all the desires). In the process, one may die establishing this peace, or one may have to go to war to establish this peace (as it was necessary for Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)). Study the life of Muhammad (peace be upon him). The first thing he did was not picking up a sword and then fought people with it simply because they didn't believe in him, but rather, he explained to the masses, with wisdom and gentleness, the beauty and justice of Islam. If he were harsh from the very beginning, God knows best, he would of hardly obtained any followers for a long period of time.

Note: to degrade Islam to a mere religion is a great sin in the eyes of Allah, according to Islamic belief. Religions do not confront philosophies/ideologies/systems, but rather, are limited to homes/churches/local community. Islam was made to be a system, and not a mere religion; I hope that is cleared up. "

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Sorry, I don't know how to link but I am struck by the candor of this poster. Here is the full exchange.

http://www.islamicaweb.com/archive/read/t-16054.html

3rdtimelucky, don't be silly. I was saying something that everyone in Britain knows. Glasgow - and to a lesser extent Liverpool - is the continuation of Northern Ireland by other means. Sectarian hatreds unknown in the rest of Britain are alive and well over there. The story of the offending Rangers director was on all British newspapers, and if you spend a bit of time on Google, I am willing to bet you will find it. I would have been equally astonished if the equally sectarian and unpleasant Celtic had similarly bent over to Muslim sectarian passions.

Paolo - its just you always never miss an opportunity to bag us Protestants. Yes I have my differences with Catholic doctrine - as you know.

But don't forget Paolo - the Islamists hate us both, because both Catholic and Protestant follow Jesus Christ, in general, on the whole. I don't doubt what you say is fact, but you always ignore the atrocities committed by the Catholic church and the Vatican. I know they happened, my Scottish Grandmother, and Protestant Irish Grandfather were on the receiving end of Catholic atrocities. Its why they moved to Australia, just like many Catholics moved for the same reason re Protestant sins. Its probably why Australia has far far less sectarian trouble as opposed to Europe. We all get along rather well here - except for the Muslims who expect us to change for them.

I both work with, and are friends with Catholics. We share the same Saviour. In fact the only Catholic I've had a run in with is a Catholic Priest who disagreed with my stance against homosexuality (which surprised me - as the Vactican is admirably "sticking to the Bible" on this one - unlike many Protestant churches - sadly). You know what he likened me to? The Talaban! I just quoted the teachings of Paul to him - he didn't like it.

Just balance your criticism of Protestants. History in the Christian church Paolo proves one thing - that every time man ignores the written word of YHWH, we end up stuffing up big time, be that Catholic or Protestant or Evangelical. Like I said before – 99% of your posts are EXCELLENT, just balance off the 1% where you bag Protestants – Catholics aren’t perfect either – especially the Pope (no offence!).

The banning of alcohol was to make controlling the population easier and to try to prevent the warriors turning up for battle incapacitated. It is part and parcel of the control and lack of individual freedoms so obvious under Islam.

I drink a fine bottle of red wine with a meal because I enjoy life, but I do not drink 3 bottles with that meal because I don't want to kill myself. That is my choice.

I have also had a great laugh at the Islamic mullahs attitude that everyone in the West is a sexual deviant, really, you don't have to be a devout Muslim or Christian to be faithful to your wife, its called respect for each other, something that Islam fails to deliver on because you can beat your wife, where is the respect in that?

All this talk about Christians sets my teeth on edge as it is a smokescreen, there are fundemental Christians who are aggresive on such things as abortion and of course do not believe in evolution, but this in no way compares to Islam which is aggresive to those that are infidels.

Of course we have seen some extreme behaviour and even murder but it is very limited, because it is based on interpretation of limited conflict areas against the modern world. The USA has a fault line between those who are religious and the secular, but both need to understand that they are both at risk from Islam.

Without a doubt I am safe in saying that Islam is at the centre of the majority of conflicts in the world. And this conflict will be coming to a city near you in Europe (and perhaps America) soon, in someways it already has...

Hugh posted a strategy on what to do in an earlier post, good to see that people are now giving strategies to deal with Islam and I agree with his post.

My main issue is the imams in Mosques and the teachers spreading their anti kafir filth in complete freedom. Its interesting when you read Iraqi blogs, that the majority of Middle Easterners are stunned at how extreme the third generation of Muslims are in the West.

Mt view is that the religion itself is extreme, but there are two groups that are pushing the extremism in the West they are Wahhabinism (as promoted by Saudi Arabia) and the Muslim Brotherhood. They are preparing the population I think for the future, Europe will erupt in civil strife and weakened from within they will fall. I am sure that the normal immigrant does not know this, he wants a better life, money, food and a job and I understand that, however therein lies the problem.

KinTolerance would tell me that there are moderate Muslims who are against those preaching hatred, I know there is, but these people are not doing anything to block the extremists or stand up to them and so they are part of the problem and not its solution. I feel that it is very difficult to be moderate when you follow an extreme ideology like Islam, because it creates something very dangerous, "them and us" and HATE.

In Britain there is an attempt to put in to law a law against enciting religious hate. Because Britain like others is refusing to say out loud that the problem is Islam because they are worried about alienating the so called moderate muslims they are creating a two-edged sword.

I am very certain that this is an attempt to deal with the mad imam sprouting hatred in a Mosque and the Saudi literature, but because they are not saying its a law against Muslim hate speach they will enable Muslims to block any valid criticism of Islam and therein lies the danger.

In Europe we can already see the starting of conflict points in large cities across the old continent.

I give you an example, in the Koran it talks about forcing unbelievers to the side of the road, but it could also be young males showing their strength.

I was walking with my familly in a large French city where there was a fete. I was ahead of my familly as it was night and I am a cautious fella and there were lots of Arab youths walking around in gangs and they are not exactly peace loving and respectful.

So I was making sure that we were not going into places that were risky, like closed areas with limited lighting and lack of people, so I was scouting and checking back.

A group of arab teenagers came up behind me, I was walking slowly waiting for my familly to catch up. One individual walked into me and started to exert sideways pressure to force me to the side, I was aware what he was trying to do, there was four of them, so I decided to keep to my slow pace, not push back, but neither allow him to push me, as I am fairly big it was no problem to prevent him from moving me to the side, as he was going faster then me he had to go around me, after he passed he looked back at me for a reaction, I ignored him, I neither looked away or at him. They continued on, he looked a bit agitated, because he had failed to push me and because I had ignored him and not responded.

It could have been a young male showing his new found vitality and strength, but I think it was rather more than that, but if I was to say that during that evening there was another five or six such incidents that were not as blatant as that one, but similar in intent then you will understand that next year I will not be going to this fete, another decision to add to the economic malise in France...

Since the USA went into Iraq I have seen it as a flytrap, many extremists have left the West to blow themselves and others up in the name of Jihad, while I am sad to see Iraqi's and Coalition soldiers getting killed and injured I am aware of the thousands of lives saved by these scum not doing these acts in Europe and the US.

In the west we have a limited time scale to do something about the extremism taught in the Mosques and schools, that as well as educating our own people about the threat is the most important things we can do, when I see that even Iraqi's are stunned at the extremism of the third generation Muslims in the West I know that our governments have been criminally negligent.

Oh and Paolo = I'm not being silly re the Vactican taking up the challenge re East Timor. As a historian AND a Catholic you should know how horrible the sufferings were of the Timorese under Islamic rule. Around 200,000 of them died, in similar ways to how the Nazi's eradicated their opponents (B4 the gas).

The Vactican, like some Protestant groups has also had the odd "combined" "Church" service with Muslims. I don't care how Catholic or Protestant anybody is - THIS IS A WORRYING TREND AND IS AGAINST THE BIBLE.

PS:- Did anyone else hear today that some Ache (however you spell that place) people in Indonesia today had a public beating under Sharia Law? Their crime - they were caught gambling.

Isn't Sharia a "wonderful" peaceful legal system?

Daffersd - good post - but there is nothing moderate about the Koran. While it exists (as a legitimate text)- so to will the terror.

My old man (an ex boxer - but way past his prime) had a similar experience in Sydney with some youth who follow "The Religion of Peace" at a railway station.

He was walking along the platform, where he moved part way for some Muslims to pass (most here move part way over - for anybody). But that wasn't good enough for these guys (2 of them). They slammed into my father (in his 60's). Even though it wasn't his fault he apologized politely and thought that was it.

Anyway these Peace Lovers decided to show him some Islamic Peace and proceeded to pick a fight with him in their usual brave fashion (you know, on the elderly, maybe they wanted to be like Hamas who prefers killing near full term pregnant women, and their young kids rather than being real men and fighting toe to toe with the Israeli military - but what do you expect from PIGS??).

Dad being a quick thinker grabbed an infidel passer by and said, "Here, these two want to fight me - you are my witness that they started it".

With that he took off his glasses. Now that there was a witness, the two big brave Muslims took flight (probably looking for a young girl to gang rape or somebody much more frail).

Almost every day I hear of shootings in Western Sydney. The joys of indiscriminate Multi Culturalism.

3rdtimelucky I agree with you, there is nothing moderate about the Quran. Glad to hear that your father was not hurt.

My feeling is that the authorities in the West are scared of civil disorder, but the longer they leave it the worse it will get...

Daffersd - to right! I also think some (many?) at the top of the "food chain" also make a lot of money out of this indiscriminate multiculturalism, as it opens up new markets.

Unfortunately they don't care or can't see what they are doing (after all, if it all hits the fan they can buy their way out of trouble - we are the 'cannon fodder', not them)

3rdtimelucky - your insistence on fuinding whatever I say offensive says more about your passions than mine; as does the classic sectarian/racist defence "some of my best friends are..." - in your case Catholics, or they might be Jewish or Black or whatever. And to end the letter by insulting the Pope does nothing for your reputation for mental openness.

I will just say this once, and then you can say whatever you want. In this thread, I have criticized: 1) the ugly sectarian divide in Northern Ireland and associated places, which your remarks about your poor persecuted Irish ancestors show that you still carry in your heart if nowhere else; 2) the secular, anti-Christian government of Sweden, which has spent the last several decades emasculating and emarginating its own Lutheran state Church (State Churches, by the way, are an invention of the Devil), treated my fellow-citizens like shit in the fifties and sixties while exploiting their honest work, and now cowers and grovels before Muslims who contribute next to nothing to its society because, having treated both Lutherans and Catholics like enemies of the state, it has no confidence or belief in any values of its own. If you think that any of this anti-Protestant, it is because you are taking your own prejudices to it. Of course, I have elsewhere

WHOOPS! _ I have elsewhere described Protestantism as a heresy of Catholicism. That is about as offensive as to call Catholicism a heresy of Hebraism, as it is. I have pointed out that certain features of Protestantism, especially in its Calvinist and congregational aspects, are shared with Islam: the rejection of a sacrificing priesthood, the view of the church or mosque as a prayer hall, the iconoclasty, the belief in double predestination. If these facts offend you, there is nothing I can do about that. I cannot alter facts.

To BigSleep and metaxy:

I know, I know - I didn't take my comments to their logical conclusion:

If alcohol is tolerated (used) in Turkey then it can't be that offensive to Moslems, since Turkey is 99% Moslem!

So why the demands re the beer logos in the UK? It's all about control, as we know.

Aren't Muslims just a tiny minority in Britain? Why is a tiny minority dictating policy? They must have influence in high places....hmmm.

Donald Findlay QC is the hun biggot. He made a mildy amusing jole about the popes death and got into hot water again.http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/41348.html

But in any event, there are a few groups out there are against advertising alcohol on shirts. The Scottish Rugby team were not allowed to show their sponsors (Famous Grouse) when they played in France a couple of years ago. This is not the thin end of the wedge or slippery slope.

BTW, the "joke" FIndlay made about the pope; On entering a smokey room where he was about to give a speach he asked "has another f*g pope died?" To guffaws of laughter.

Jen: "I know plenty of Muslims who drink alcohol, so this part of Islam always puzzles me. In Turkey alcohol is readily available in grocery stores and corner shops..."

King: I, too, have found no shortage of booze in the Arabic countries I've been to. Could this be that there are plenty of moderates out there who exercise their decision to drink against the wishes of clerics? I think so. Could a soccer jersey being made without an alcohol logo on it be a business move, since there are many people who would buy it? I think so.

What would happen if Rangers signed a Muslim- would he get the same flak as Catholic Mo Johnson, or would the fans treat him no worse than blacks?

('Are ye a Catholic Muslim or a Protestant Muslim?')

As for the 'separation' of East Timor from the Islamic world (one of Osama's bugbears) the architect of the Indonesian invasion, the late General Benny Murdani, was a Catholic, and East Timor's Prime Minister is a Muslim.

Mainstream Islam in Indonesia is comparatively moderate, influenced by Hinduism and animism - many Muslims happily eat pork, not like Brunei and some Malaysian states. Suharto was a murdering tyrant, but he didn't spare the rod when it came to Islamic groups - now the current government won't dare ban Jemaah Islamia.

Another scam by Muslims to make Islam look like the moral yardstick for all people to follow,I guess this explains the poor personal hygene since mouthwash may use alcohol and some deoderants do as well.

There are so many examples of naturally occuring alcohol in food items that I find it hard to believe the Quran and Allah have no clue of this basic fact in science and organics,the endless rules within Islam appears to be for the sake of forcing the unbelievers to practise Islam by proxy.
I have some basic rules,unless God or Jesus shows up to my house(Sincethey know where I live) to tell me I can't eat meat or seafood or touch a pig,I'll go on consuming protein from animal muscles that have been legally sold in stores
and are approved by Government departments.
As for Global warming,I'll stop adding to pollution when the Politicians give up their Limo's and SUV's and private Jets,until then
i have a choice to buy whatever is legal and sitting in the showrooms,let the leaders show me the value of public transit and how it's Ok to be late for work and blame transit, or get soaked waiting for a bus.

Is Prancing Popinjay a flatulent buffoon? I think so. Is he a clueless half-witted nincompoop? I think so.

A pantalooned poltroon,
A paradigm of the psittaciformian condition.