"We are Mujahideen for the sake of our nation"

HUDNA(ceasefire) alert

Hudna: temporarily reducing hostilities against an enemy, often until tactically advantagous to resume the attack.

Mohammed offered this to the Quraysh

Less than two years later, when Mohammed’s troops had gathered enough strength, they violated their oath and attacked the Quraysh, defeating their enemy and conquering the city of Mecca

Let the poor Mujahideen rest so they can kill more effectively when their numbers build up.

Singh

http://www.islamundressed.com

JW wrote:
"yet the learned analysts will still refuse to take them at their word, to understand the intransigence of the jihad ideology that is behind those words, and will eventually call for negotiations with these people."

It is high time to retire those "learned analysts" and send new one's for Mr. Spencer to educate.

It probably cost tax payers several-millions apiece for each of the so called “learned analysts”. Let’s see: paying for all stages of an expensive education until they ultimately earn a Masters or a PhD from one of the cathedrals of liberalism, while receiving their full salaries. For years, they are paid them GS13+ salaries while they gain experience as subject matter experts (for what? I do not know!). Plus all the miscellaneous costs involved. Finally, they finish out their careers earning some of the highest government salaries. What did the tax payer get out of it? ... Nothing more than foolhardy advice that some guy’s grandmother would be willing to give at basement prices.

From the article,

"And Glory to God, his prophet, and the believers!"

Why is there always the ever-present "prophet" qualifier in all statements made by muslims who feel the need to "defend" their faith?

Yawn... Invoking his name while summoning their made-up god only grants me more time to comfortably and properly lock and load.

They will decline to learn that negotiations are for the mujahedin only another way to attain their goal, not a setting in which they moderate or change that goal Posted by Robert

This is exactly why I feel it is useless in attempting to 'change' Islam's teachings (re-writing the Koran). That effort is not going to work.

This world is filled - and technology made it smaller - a lot smaller!

And unless the voices and leaders act on it - it's going to get a lot worse.

The first thing that needs to be done - I believe you [Robert] are doing your part - helping to educate the people first as to what we're up against.

The next thing - is the most contraversial issue - as far as I'm concerned.

Many say WAR!!!

Some just want to act like the problem is not there.

I stand with another choice: Offer the young a better Religion - the Bible. As many different denominations that have spun from it - not a one of them has more Authority than it does.

As for arguing over this word really means this or that? That only serves to hinder a more urgent matter at hand!

As time goes by and things keep going the way they are? I do believe there will be some sobering times ahead.

"We are Mujahideen for the sake of our nation. And our aim is either victory or martyrdom in it's path."

Perhaps "martyrdom in their path" is a goal we should do a better job of helping them attain. Let's do our part as infidels by making sure they do their martyrdom duty in the highest numbers possible.

-MZ

Perhaps "martyrdom in their path" is a goal we should do a better job of helping them attain. Let's do our part as infidels by making sure they do their martyrdom duty in the highest numbers possible.

Posted by: Madzionist

Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.

Num 35:16 And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

Jer 51:39 In their heat I will make their feasts [worshippings], and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD.

Its actually though shall not MURDER

KILL is way to vauge...because we kill in war and war is not a crime if it is just

KILL is way to vauge...because we kill in war and war is not a crime if it is just

Posted by: pocadon

I studied that argument for years. The Old Testament does teach that we have the right to defend ourselves....but not to go out and kill/murder.

King David was the first king of Israel - and his mission was a special one. [He took down a giant by 'slinging a stone at his forhead'

What is a 'stone' ?

He also went into the enemies camp with a great 'Sword' and he conquered them!

I believe a Great Sword has been given to us - and that it is the only Weapon we have that WILL successfully take down Islam

You bet we can defend ourselves, but as Christians and Jews we must show great restraint.

Yes David and crew killed every Phillistine in the land..men woman and children. Alot of people believe the Phillistines were contaminated like the nephalim before the flood.

Sorry Beth, Pocadon is correct. The commandment is not to murder. Killing is actually something which we are commanded to do if it is to prevent a murderer from accomplishing his goal.

-MZ

Correction:

The first King that God choose. Saul was the first - chosen by the people

(chose) I need to get into the habit of reading my posts before hitting the post button sheeeeze

Question:

What about the children?

Or have you not considered them?

Oh yes I have...and I still do..this is my first post on JW

My brother happens to be in Fallujah as I type this. He is a Marine. He has told me many times that moral is still pretty high even with the fighting everyday over there. One problem is the soldiers are so confused. Once Iraq fell and the war (part 1) was over, they thought the Iraqis would be so happy..almost like a prisoner who was falsly imprisoned then freed..they would run to the side of the men who sacrificed so much to free them and embrace as friends..maybe brothers. In some occasions it was just like that. He has watched the hardest men cry because these people were just so happy to be free...something we take for granted everyday, but on a majority of occasions it was just the opposite...he said alot of guys in his unit were extremely hurt and confused. He said to me on one occasion that bringing freedom to these people was like force feeding a bulimic. There is so much hate over there. If the Americans were not there they would just slaughter each other instead of listening to what the other has to say. Our soldiers will never get used to it because most of us were raised to respect another mans opinions and learn from each other. We debate and they blow themselves up along with woman and children ON PURPOSE for what..because they disagree? Its sad. He said to me..."you would think that all us soldiers hate it here and just think it is a hopeless wreck, but we dont think that way...we cant think that way. We just pay attention to the only ones who really like us here..the kids." He said they hang out with the children alot and give them gifts or candy. The innocence of a child can soften the hardest Marine and make the worries of that day fade away. I send beanie babies over there because the kids love them. The soldiers really fear the day the children dont want to be their friends anymore because of the hate drilled into their heads daily. He said if he could just keep one Iraqi child from turning to hate and commiting vile acts in the name of Islam his life would be worth it. I completely agree with Hugh...I guess I just wrote this to give you guys some insight to whats on one soldiers mind everyday while the people he freed try to blow him up. This has got to be the greatest webpage I have ever been to and I just want to thank "Freakin Batman" and the entire crew for everything. Thanks for backing our boys over there and extra thanks for using common sense and acurate knowledge to try and bring them home. God Bless

Posted by: pocadon at June 28, 2005 12:36 AM

It would be nice to steal all the children from the Muslims and show the kids what faith, love and freedom really are.......

It would be nice to steal all the children from the Muslims and show the kids what faith, love and freedom really are.......

Posted by: pocadon

Could not agree more with that pocadon!

But - it's not realistic. There is a better way though - but everyone keeps slapping it down

When I see young 'Palestinian' [Arabs] boys being taught to march with guns in their hands - it breaks my heart. In each one's face - I see my son - who is about the same age....and I think about the blessings we have - and then I get REALLY mad at the 'elite' leaders

First and foremost I feel for the Israeli children. I mean come on the Jews are on the front of every war..and it is like every war is against them. It sickens me in the media when a homicide bomber runs in Israel and slaughters children nobody says "Boo", but if a Palestinian kid trips and cracks his head open the world flips on the Jews. I will stand firmly and protect my own and the Jews first..that is where my heart is. The Jews deserve this entire world after what they have shown us and what they have been through

Question:

What about the children?

This Question is aimed more so at MZ and Hugh

First and foremost I feel for the Israeli children.

Posted by: pocadon

pocadon? Something you should know about me:

I will defend Israel to the death - ok?

And I fill for ALL of the Israelis!

As for the children in the Muslim lands - look at the things they are being taught! It's child abuse! BIG TIME!

"What about the children? This Question is aimed more so at MZ and Hugh"

I'll be happy to give my opinion Beth, but I don't know exactly which children you mean or what you mean by the question. Could you please clarify for me?

Thx,
-MZ

Yeah I figured that Beth..you are a Christian..you act like i was attacking you or something

As for the mideast...I wanna agree with Hugh and say we financially destroy all of them. Get off the oil. We have a drug dealer- drug addict relationship with the Arabs..the oil is our heroin. They say and do some awful things to America and we take it because we need our fix.

On the other hand war is also necessary..its brutal and messy but it solves everything..who says fighting solves nothing...WWI WWII...and so on

I'll be happy to give my opinion Beth, but I don't know exactly which children you mean or what you mean by the question. Could you please clarify for me?

Thx,
-MZ

Encouraging war in the Islamic nations. By the way - not all are Muslims. There are Christians and Jews there also.

But the children - what wrongs have they committed other than being forced into a realm of dark thinking? I personally don't think it is any 'fun' for them.

Look at the American kids.....and compare

I don't believe in helping to bring a vicious war upon them all - just because Islam is speading.

Besides - the Koran will only send more

Land For Peace = Death For Jews".

I totally agree with that...the Jews have spilt so much blood for their land and he wants to give it to animals?...then you might as well give them everything. If a dog bites my kids face I will kill it not give it a frigin cookie

Land For Peace = Death For Jews".

I totally agree with that...the Jews have spilt so much blood for their land and he wants to give it to animals?...then you might as well give them everything. If a dog bites my kids face I will kill it not give it a frigin cookie

Posted by: pocadon

That's where the Bible and the Koran both come in.

The Bible condemned Palestine for end times....and the Koran forgot to mention it.

If 'allah' is so great and all knowing and wise and all - why did he not mention Palestine? an issue that is bigger with his own followers than it is for anyone else!

By the way 'allah' mentions the name Israel all through the Koran

That leaves Islam with absolutely NO EXCUSE for making such demands.

Hey - we're talking 'religion' here - No? Islam?

Beth-

"The children suffer from the sins of the parents"

Children are suffering in every country in the world...they always will be...just like there will always be poor amoung us. You do what you can do, but if the dog bites my kid I will kill it. If the dog has puppies I will do everything in my power to help them, but I must protect our kids from the dog first

And what does 'allah' teach about those who murder someone when they were not commanded to?

Do you have any idea how powerful this is?

If the dog has puppies I will do everything in my power to help them, but I must protect our kids from the dog first

Posted by: pocadon

Not any more - nor faster than I would

There is no Palestine!!!

ALERT TO THE TROOPS
ANTI-JIHAD BRIGADE OF THE WEST
UNDISCLOSDED LOCATION
USA

The vile lying beasts of the Iraq-invading terrorist contingent of radical Islam have issued an ultimatum to the infidels.

Their choice is "victory or martyrdom".

I say we take the victory and they can have the martyrdom.

Everybody's happy.

SIGNING OFF...

"God is greater than all, God is greater than all, God is greater than all!"

Then why didn't their 'allah' mention Palestine if he is so great?

The God of the Bible did - and for end times - not ancient:

Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. Song of Moses - the saints 'sing' this song} Rev 15:3

Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with Me? O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render Me a recompence? and if ye recompense Me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD?

2Pe 1:19 We have a more sure Word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed. [Eternal Life is at stake]

But who really believes? It's a prophecy - an old one - and it still speaks today [confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls] and here is the sorest issue on the face of the earth - Palestine

Is this not wild?

It is to me

"Encouraging war in the Islamic nations. By the way - not all are Muslims. There are Christians and Jews there also. But the children - what wrongs have they committed other than being forced into a realm of dark thinking? I personally don't think it is any 'fun' for them."

Beth,

Encouraging war is not how I see it at all. Rather, fighting an enemy who has already declared war upon us, already attacked us, blown up our children, our mothers, our fathers, our babies, has swore to conquer us, kill us, and then rule the world with their cruel and barbaric laws of domination.

War is not to be encouraged, Beth, but in order to stop the above nightmare from happening the only way to stop this is by defeating the evil enemy. They worship death and we cherish life. Our cultures are incompatible, and before I'll let my wife, or my daughter, become slaves or blown up in a bomb filled with nails, I will do whatever it takes to destroy this wicked force.

I believe in God Beth, and I believe islam is a plague of evil upon the earth which God has set before us. God has given us the tools to overcome this beast, he has given us the weapons the technology and all the necessary firepower to vanquish the dark presence we face before us. Yet, God did not create robots, Beth, he created men with free will, and we must have the courage and belief in God to use what he has blessed us with to stop this demon before the entire world is infected and enslaved by its evil.

You ask what about the children? I wish to make sure not one more child is killed by islam, and that no more children are born into an ideology that worships death. My desire for war is not death, Beth, it is so that we may give the gift of life.

-MZ

MZ
Our cultures are incompatible, and before I'll let my wife, or my daughter, become slaves or blown up in a bomb filled with nails, I will do whatever it takes to destroy this wicked force.

I could not agree more with you MZ
And I am prepare to defend my family - and I will! and my concience will be clear too - should I ever have to [But I pray that I never do]

I believe in God Beth

I believe that you do - in fact - more people should believe in Him as strongly as we do.

No matter how we see things - there is no doubt in my mind that no one is ever right all the time [including me - smile]

I will share this with you - it is special to me:

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

That is very special message for all of us who are trying

I believe islam is a plague of evil upon the earth which God has set before us.

So do I

Yet, God did not create robots

No - 'allah' does that:

075.002 I swear by the accusing soul that this Scripture is true.

010.094 If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

And then he sends out murderers

Beth, he created men with free will, and we must have the courage and belief in God to use what he has blessed us with to stop this demon before the entire world is infected and enslaved by its evil.

No Weapon on earth has the power that the Word of God does - and so - I've decided to use it - because I care

God Bless MZ

Beth

This whole world is in trouble because of the divisions and the bickering - as a 'stranger' is within the midst to slaughter us for no reason other than pure hatred taught by the Koran.

It has to be attacked - with 'FIRE' and a good place to start is with the cjildren - especially in the Islamic nations.

But the 'elite' leaders are too stupid to realize that

So it is up to us - to at least try

In the end - we can at least say - we tried

Though I'm not Christian, Beth, I would certainly be happy if the moslem world converted to it. I say, make one moslem become a Christian and see where the dominos fall. Jews do not prosthelize, and we never will, but for Christians like yourself who do wish to spread your faith I would think targeting the moslems would be doing a great service for so many reasons.

You and other Christians should send your message in their direction...have you tried?

-MZ

You can't deal with guys like that in any way, that guy is totally nut's and as far as negotiations with guys like that, you would be mad to do anything like negotiations because it would be like negotiating with hitler in the winter of 1944, in fact our nations goal must be to kill the jihad Rats in big numbers, or get out and fight here, but we won't get our and we won't fight here and someday some nut in our government will start some kind of talk with a guy like bin laden and in the end millions will die for nothing.
oh yes pig's blood said it best,thank you pig's blood. and good words big sleep but our government is not about any-kind of real victory.

last thing watch out for our non government some maybe helping the jihad Rats. where is bin laden?

You can't deal with guys like that in any way, that guy is totally nut's and as far as negotiations with guys like that, you would be mad to do anything like negotiations because it would be like negotiating with hitler in the winter of 1944, in fact our nations goal must be to kill the jihad Rats in big numbers, or get out and fight here, but we won't get our and we won't fight here and someday some nut in our government will start some kind of talk with a guy like bin laden and in the end millions will die for nothing.
oh yes pig's blood said it best,thank you pig's blood. and good words big sleep but our government is not about any-kind of real victory.

last thing watch out for our non government some maybe helping the jihad Rats. where is bin laden?

About the negotiations. Suppose Rumsfeld had lied on purpose. Or suppose that he knew that not everyone in the jihadi army is of one mind, or at least not everyone trusts each other. What better way to sow discord, and perhaps encourage them in the typical Arabian activity of murdering each other, than let it be known that "low-level" talks are going on all the time with unspecified members of the jihadi movement? These are paranoiacs, remember. If jihadi corpses have not started flowing down the Euphrates, it is not Mr.Rumsfeld's fault.

It's a little known fact that the Ottoman Turks actually sold the land that is now Israel to the Jews back in 1892. Unfortunately they didn't cash in on the deal for over a half a century. It was a considerable sum of money. The MSM never tells us anything do they?

"Thou shall not kill", or is it murder?...I dont care to indulge myself in a religious debate, but My bible says "kill", not "murder"...I would suspect if God wanted my bible to say "murder", it would say "murder"....But the "original", scriptures say "murder", claim the experts. The same experts would tell me that the Bible is the word of God, and I can rely on what it says...then they tell me that it doe's not mean what it says, it means something else...How do we know that the writer of "Thou shall not murder", was incorrect and it really means "thou shall not kill"...Christians should at least be consistant...

Duh Swami,

If you want to know the meaning of the words in the Torah, it is critical to understand the Hebrew. Not everything in Hebrew translates seemlessly into english, and word meanings are dependent on the text in which they are given.

In Judaism, the translation is always understood to be a prohibition against murder, as the Torah, in fact, has laws for when a person's actions require his life to be taken. However, it is critical to remember that in Judaism the written law is indecipherable without the corresponding oral law of explanations as to what the written laws actually are and mean.

-MZ

MZ...with all due respect, I will stand behind the post about "thou shall not kill"...no matter what the Torah says, my bible (and many others), uses the word "kill", not murder...apparently someone is screwing up...who, I dont know...can I trust the Bible to say what it means or not??

I like your posts so there is no hostility intended...

None taken. Everybody is not required to be a Jew! If I were a moslem I'm sure I'd need to call for a Fatwah about now, but since I'm Jewish I'll only say you are welcome to believe as you believe.

-MZ

MZ
Jews do not prosthelize, and we never will, but for Christians like yourself

Jews are commmanded to do so - by prophts in the Old Testament/

But - as far as 'my faith like other Christians' ?

Name it MZ. Which one is that - because there are many of them.
You and other Christians should send your message in their direction...have you tried?

All the time

But I believe you should notice - that I'm not the only Christian here.

My goal is not to 'convert' - but to take Islam down. I don't believe you as a human will be able to do that better than the Bible which is already well known.

It is power that we humans do not.

The same experts would tell me that the Bible is the word of God, and I can rely on what it says...then they tell me that it doe's not mean what it says, it means something else...How do we know that the writer of "Thou shall not murder", was incorrect and it really means "thou shall not kill"...Christians should at least be consistant...

Posted by: duh_swami

They underestimate the power of God. He presented His Word by a Book called that Bible - and they have found fault with it - because it includes the New Testament which is the prophecy of the New Covenant that God promised:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.

So far none of them have acknowledge that Old Testament Prophecy - which ia also in the Torah.

Nor have they acknowledged the Powerful Prophecies about Palestine - that I shared that I got from the Old Testament.

Here's another one from the Old Testament:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Only the 'Light' will be able to take down Palestine because Palestine has NO Spiritual Authority to support it.

But it take numbers to speak it.

Eyernal Life is at stake {{{ Now that is proselytizing

MZ...I always strive for understanding and clarity...I dont always achieve it. It's always a process of sublimation, where a better idea replaces one that is not so good.
The end of this process is one idea only...the idea of God...there are no ideas beyond this.
Every right minded person is on this path.
Muslims are not subject to this becase they think they already own the ultimate, and because they are not in their right mind.

Have you looked at Smooth Stones site?
www.smoothstoneblogspot.com/

Beth...Thank you...I mean that...

i am surprised when i find out that some "open minded people from some civilized countries" are trying to ignore the idea of TRESPASSING.

The US ARMY TRESSPASSED iraq and it is normal behavior to kill whoever come to them or anybody help the US to control iraqis people.

Even the animal wouldn't allow you to take their babies infront of them without hurting you.

If saudi people went to iraq with their army, i won't think that iraqis will just stand their watching us taking their oil and destroying their country for the "sake of freedom".

Instead, they will shoot us and they will try to kill the people who helped us to concure their country.

"don't think that people are fool just because you are"