"After the London Bombings: 'Our Dead Have Names Too': Messages from a Muslim e-mail list," from the Village Voice, with thanks to Sparta (there are many good links in the original):
There are some 2 million Muslims in Britain. The Western media would paint a simple of image of them as largely good citizens and supporters of the war on terror, except for a few really bad apples.British authorities claim 600 now in the U.K. were trained by al Qaeda, some of whom may have been behind the July 7 terrorist bombings in London that killed at least 52 commuters. Hundreds of suspected jihadists have been arrested in recent years and thrown into the Belmarsh high-security prison. While it's possible to round up the usual suspects in Britain, there is not a great deal of compelling evidence -- just as in the U.S. -- that security services have exposed any more than a handful of true al Qaeda members.
Beyond the bombers, who may or may not have been on a suicide mission, there are the rhetoricians. One organization, called the Party for Islamic Renewal, regularly loads my mailbox with a collection of tirades. Since the group is angry, it's labeled radical. Operated through an Arabic language website, tajdeed.net, the party is organized by Mohammed al-Massari, a Saudi dissident. In the past, the British government unsuccessfully tried to deport him, and in the mid 1990's he helped Osama bin Laden open a London office, according to the BBC....
Reprints of the email messages follow. Read it all.
for a look at some potential jihad recruits, watch this bbc interview with some leeds "peace lovers".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
click watch bbc news videos
and click "Leeds Muslims speak of their anger "
The Muhammedans who wrote these letters are obviously educated and intelligent. But stupidly emotional. Emotionally attached to the Islamic culture in a way that they accept brainwashing and lies from Al Jezeera, from other Muslim media, from the leftist media in general. Not a word from these letter writers about the terrorism of Zarqawi and others where Iraqi civilians are killed each day in bombings. Killed 20 at a time. This doesn't count.
Americans and British in Iraq are most scrupulous about avoiding civilian casualties, while the Sunni terrorists target Shi'ite civilians. But this doesn't count in the warped Muslim mind. This idiocy, this non objectivity, is why there is no science or technology in the Muslim world. Just parasitism of what the West has to offer. Is there even one automobile manufacturing plant in the Arab world or Muslim world? Perhaps in Indonesia?
The focus of the Western world is too narrow. It is so very frustrating and maddening to know that the Western world continues to focus on the violence that this ideology produces. The violence is only a tiny part of the overall scheme. The historical and contemporary evidence of the offenses of Sharia and the state of dhimmitude loom every closer on the horizon, yet few will raise their eyes from the horror of the carnage to see a more horrible fate that awaits unless we take action against this ideology that seems to be growing stronger every day.
Multiculturalism, political correctness, hate-speech laws and the like only strengthen the hand of our enemies. These will neither stop the violence nor the inexorable movement in the wrong direction that is occurring. The violence only strengthens their hand for it distracts us from the real danger.
The posting immediately above correctly draws our attention to the larger problem of Jihad, which is likely to be conducted most successfully not through terrorism, but by avoiding terrorism, and silently keeping up the demographic conquest, the Da'wa (Call to Islam), that has in the past proven just as effective in the end, if slower, than outright military conquest. Military conquest is not possible, because the very nature of Islam prevents the kind of technology that is now necessary. While some echnology can be bought or stolen (see A. Q. Khan's instructive career), or enormous sums invested (as with Iran's nuclear weapons plans)which can make up for technological, scientific, and other forms of backwardness, this will not make Muslim states the equal of Infidels.
However, conquest through demography of Infidel lands that possess such military might -- imagine an islamized Europe -- and putting Infidels to use, just as Christians and Jews were put to use (as translators, for example) in the first few centuries following Islamic conquest, could achieve much. It is not hard to imagine that within a few decades, given what Muslims have already achieved, with relatively few numbers, in causing Infidels to be so frightened as to make every possible effort to misinterpret Islam (in Britain, as in Holland, France, and the rest of the E.U., until a few brave souls either stepped forward -- like Oriana Fallaci or Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- or were unwittingly sacrificed, like Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. But given the intolerable reaction of Blair, Priince Charles, Brian Paddick, and so many others, one begins to believe that the most dismal predictions of Bat Ye'or will indeed come true.
Stop focussing only on acts of terror. If there was not from now on a single act of Muslim terror anywhere in the world, a moratorium secretly declared while the Da'wa and demographic conquest continiued unabated, unchecked, almost unrecognized, that would not cease to be a mortal threat to Infidels and their own civilization. It would, in fact, be a greater one, so cunningly not attracting attention to itself.
One hopes that Bin Laden and his admirers have simply struck too soon, and will have awakened the West. But one wonders.
This, from James Sneddon Dow,
Str Polona nr 56, Sector 1, Bucharest, Romania.
WHILE working in Iraq in the early 1980s, I made the acquaintance of a fellow engineer, a senior Iraqi army officer. I met him the day his second son was born. Not surprisingly he was beaming. He told me proudly that he had just been to the mosque to pray that his son would die a martyr. Somewhat taken aback I quipped: "Why die a martyr when he could live a hero?" He quickly replied that to die a martyr for Islam was the greatest ambition any Muslim could achieve.
I found it difficult to believe that a well-educated person should adopt such objectives, but, then, there is education and there is education.
I thought little more about this matter, believing that it related to practices that would have no real bearing on me or my loved ones. That was until the significance and motivation of the suicide bombers exploded upon me.
What do people make of the feigned surprise we always hear from communities that have sheltered the terrorists? I posit that if you were a fly on the wall of the local mosque -- the nature of the surprise, if it's even authentic, would be summed up in phrases such as:
"Who ever thought that Ahmed would go out and ACTUALLY KILL the infidels -- what a surprise! I didn't know he had such conviction!" (loud ululation...)
or
"He was such a mild mannered man, who would have ever dreamed that he would end up a true shahid!?! Allah be praised!!"
or
"I took him for a more subtle character -- I never knew he was such a literalist!! Allah akbar!!"
Posted by: Skidd
"WHILE working in Iraq in the early 1980s, I made the acquaintance of a fellow engineer, a senior Iraqi army officer. He told me proudly that he had just been to the mosque to pray that his son would die a martyr."
AND ONCE AGAIN THIS SICK WAY OF THINKING COMES FROM ANOTHER EDUCATED "ENGINEER....ENGINEER....ENGINEER."
Listen Western Civilizations....stop educating these Muslims in the art of Engineering!
We need to drive the story of the Iranian Journalist Akbar Ganji to the Am people and the free world.
OK folks where are the LL and the MSM in showing their outrage re the recent atrocityies of this religion of peace as some pretend it to be.
Islamofascism is no different than cult-like religious movements of David Koresch and the CoolAid followers of Jim Jones.
Why can't the LL and the MSM understand this. AQ will shove it up our @#$ where the sun doesn't shine if we don't figure this out soon.
This is not a time for apologists nor the LL and the MSM "rooting" for the enemy in the GWOT.
Do you want to help?
Well here's your chance. See this comment at LGF and drive this story to the American people and the free world. And in so doing ram it down the throats of the LL and the MSM that are so blind they cannot see.
Lord help us and MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!
[Of course of your choosing or not]
We need to drive the story of the Iranian Journalist Akbar Ganji to the Am people and the free world.
LGF Link
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0528,smithweb,65810,2.html
A Letter to the British People From a Daughter of Iraq
By Iman al-Saadun
July 8, 2005
I'm sending this letter to the British people and in particular to the residents of London. For a period of hours, you have lived through moments of desperate anxiety and horror. In those hours you lost a member of your family or a friend, and we wish to tell you in total honesty that we too grieve when human lives pass away. I cannot tell you how much we hurt when we see desperation and pain on the face of another person. For we have lived through this situation-and continue to live through it every day- since your country and the United States formed an alliance and laid plans to attack Iraq.
The Prime Minister of your country, Tony Blair, said that those who carried out the explosions did so in the name of Islam. The Secretary of State of the United States, Condaleezza Rice, described the bombings as an act of barbarism. The United Nations Security Council met and unanimously condemned the event.
I would like to ask you, the free British people, to allow me to inquire: in whose name was our country blockaded for 12 years? In whose name were our cities bombed using internationally prohibited weapons? In whose name did the British army kill Iraqis and torture them? Was that in your name? Or in the name of religion? Or humanity? Or freedom? Or democracy?
What do you call the killing of more than two million children? What do you call the pollution of the soil and the water with depleted uranium and other lethal substances?
What do you call what happened in the prisons in Iraq u in Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and the many other prison camps? What do you call the torture of men, women, and children? What do you call tying bombs to the bodies of prisoners and blowing them apart? What do you call the refinement of methods of torture for use on Iraqi prisoners-such as pulling off limbs, gouging out eyes, putting out cigarettes on their skin, and using cigarette lighters to set fire to the hair on their heads? Does the word “barbaric” adequately describe the behavior of your troops in Iraq?
May we ask why the Security Council did not condemn the massacre in al-Amiriyah and what happened in al-Fallujah, Talaeafar, Sadr City, and an-Najaf? Why does the world watch as our people are killed and tortured and not condemn the crimes being committed against us? Are you human beings and we something less? Do you think that only you can feel pain and we can't? In fact it is we who are most aware of how intense is the pain of the mother who has lost her child, or the father who has lost his family. We know very well how painful it is to lose those you love.
You don't know our martyrs, but we know them. You don't remember them, but we remember them. You don't cry over them, but we cry over them.
Have you heard the name of the little girl Hannan Salih Matrud? Or of the boy Ahmad Jabir Karim? Or Saaeid Shabram?
Yes, our dead have names too. They have faces and stories and memories. There was a time when they were among us, laughing and playing. They had dreams, just as you have. They had a tomorrow awaiting them. But today they sleep among us with no tomorrow on which to wake.
We don't hate the British people or the peoples of the world. This war was imposed upon us, but we are now fighting it in defense of our selves. Because we want to live in our homeland-the free land of Iraq-and to live as we want to live, not as your government or the American government wish.
Let the families of those killed know that responsibility for the Thursday morning London bombings lies with Tony Blair and his policies
MISS IRAQI YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHO IS AT FAULT IT IS MO-HAM-OD WHO YOU FOLLOW WHO MAKES YOU FOLLOW MONSTER LEADERS WHO KILL OTHERS AND WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHO CAUSED THE WAR IN THE 90s IT WAS YOUR LEADER WHO INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY CALLED KUWAIT YOU ASK WHY THE SCACTIONS BUT YOU FORGET TO ASK ABOUT THOSE WHO WERE GASED BY YOUR LEADER IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY WHAT WAS THAT TOWN CALLED HALIBJA???
YES WE SAWW AND HAD TO KEEP HIM AND THOSE WHO SUPPORTED HIM IN A BOX BUT YOU ASK WHO PUT THE SCATIONS ON YOUR COUNTRY IT WAS THE UN=LON=AL THAT WOULD BE THE ARAB LEAGUE WHO PAYS THE GREEDY??
WHERE IS YOUR ANGER AT YOUR OWN AT THE 300,000 MAS GRAVES UNCOVERED SHOT IN THE HEAD WITH HANDS TIED ALL IRAQI PEOPLE THIS WAS DONE BY YOUR LEADER AND HIS GOONES ARE YOU ONE OF HIS saddam [YELLOW COWARD FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD] GOONS???
OH YEA WHERE ARE YOUR TEARS FOR THE IRAQI CHILDERN KILLED IN IRAQ BY A ISLAMIC TERRORIST JUST YESTERDAY????
NO YOU SH-T DOES STINK!!!
AND YOU DOG DON'T HUNT ANY MORE WE DON'T CARE HAVEN'T YOU HEARD WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN!!!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
ENGLAND READ THIS LETTER THEN THINK WHO MIGHT HAVE HAD A CONNECT TO THE MASTERS OF THE LITTLE STUPID MONSTERS BY THIS LETTER LOOKS LIKE MAYBE A DAUGHTER OF saddam[yellow coward found in a hole don't shoot i'm a yellow coward] WHO IS IN JORDAN???
I say to the people of Britain to wake up and kick out these parasites who are bleeding the country for an easy life for themselves..from the Village Voice comments...
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.Yes they meant Blair but they never look at their own do they? These "parasites" who are bleeding the country...
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/10329634?version=1
"Parasite" yes he has a name - Sayful.. He no longer works, even though he is able-bodied, he admits, preferring instead to claim housing benefit and jobseeker's allowance. He smiles sheepishly and says the irony is not lost on him that the British state is supporting him financially, even as he plots to "overthrow it".
Able-bodied but he prefers to live on the dole/social benefit/welfare system. Well, gee, why wouldn't he? He can spend all his time doing whatever he wants for free! This article was in 2004, do you think anything was done about him? Is he still on the dole? A terrorist parasite not even hiding under a rock - wide open. And that is why immigration is the way it is in Europe. Polygamy is expensive. If they are all supported by the state it's way easier, isn't it. Able bodied people must move to where the work is. That was the original reason for the immigration wasn't it? If all the jobs are leaving Europe but the people who came for them aren't, something is wrong. The social system needs to be looked at and changed. How long can one "loaf" on the dole anyway? They need to be cut OFF!
How many more attacks will happen before the government looks at this? Are 50 deaths enough?
"Tombstone legislation".
How did we get ourselves in this war?
These people have brought war to us.
Publicly they are saying - we mean peace - we mean peace. But right before our eyes we see the opposite.
What is this thing - that is Islam - let’s assume it is one body. In this case – it will aim to satisfy itself.
Then finally what does it aim to do?
The aim of this body (of Islam) is to convert - either forcibly or otherwise - all peoples into itself.
Its aim is to Islamize the world…...
So what is happening now - is kind of a layering effect.
They bomb us - we get emotional - then another part of this body (of Islam) comes along and demonstrates - how peaceful and good the religion is – and how - we - who have been bombed - should be more tolerant - and excepting of their religious ways and ideals.
It is like one hand and the other – the left and the right – so each time one hand bombs us – the other hand comes in with - look at our music - take a closer look at our culture - read our books in the library.
When it is true that both hands have the very same aim – to convert - either forcibly or otherwise - everyone into Islam.
Like the missionaries and the colonialists.
Could our tolerance be used against us? Everything should be used in moderation – including tolerance.