Rajnaara C Akhtar, a British Muslim activist and the acting chair of the Assembly for the Protection of Hijab, writes in the Independent, with thanks to Nobody's Business.
When the reports of the bombings initially emerged on 7/7, sadness was followed by anger, a sinking heart and a silent prayer: "Please don't let it be Muslims who are responsible." The tragic events were an attack on more than the citizens of London; they were an attack on Britain's cohesive community, unparalleled in Europe and most of the wider Western world.It has emerged since then that perhaps the trust and respect between Britain's diverse communities are likely to break down. As the rest of the country attempts to come to terms with the catastrophic events, how does the Muslim community, with a triple burden, begin to recover, with the trauma of terrorist attacks, the task of addressing the reality that terrorism was perpetrated by British Muslims, and the spiralling reprisal attacks?
Since 10am on 7/7, the Muslim community has been on high alert. Parents in London rushed to take children out of schools and to safety. The Islamic Human Rights Commission issued a warning and advice to Muslim women to ensure their security. Many Muslim women took the advice not to travel alone, with even the known independent and tenacious women becoming alive to the seriousness of the situation...
Once again, it seems the main people Ms. Akhtar is worried about are her fellow Muslims, not her fellow English citizens.
Couldn't agree more with the last sentence.
But I have to ask: What la-la land does this woman live in?
"The tragic events were an attack on more than the citizens of London; they were an attack on Britain's cohesive community, unparalleled in Europe and most of the wider Western world."
Cohesive? Is that what living in religious ghettoes is called?
"The trust and respect between Britain's diverse communities [is] likely to break down." There was trust and respect? Really?
"Many Muslim women took the advice not to travel alone.." A good thing too because we all know how muslim women have been attacked all over the world when muslim terrorists strike.
PUH-LEEASE. This women needs a straight jacket to match her hijab.
poor babies.....
I notice that the British Muslim Forum has issued a fatwa condemning the suicide bombings:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm
Of course, the complete text of the fatwa is available nowhere on line. Duh, I wonder why that is? Similarly, the BBC reveals that BMF (referred to as Bumpf I assume)bases the fatwa on the Qur'anic text as follows:
"Gul Mohammad, secretary general of the BMF, quoted the Koran saying: "Whoever kills a human being ... then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life it is as though he had saved all mankind.""
Of course, as usual, they quote this text leaving out the crucial qualification within it:
"Whoever kills a human being, except in retaliation for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be regarded as having killed all mankind" says the Koran (5:32)
"except in retaliation for murder or other villainy in the land [sometimes translated as corruption]" leaves a hole that you could drive an Abrams tank through let alone a suitcase nuke. Let's see the complete text of this fatwa and let's see the theological justifications that they use to base it on! Why are they concealing the text of the fatwa? What have they got to hide? Why haven't they published it on line?
The ever-present and sinister underlying tone of Islam is that non-muslims are non-humans. Read on:
The Worst Massacre of the 20th Century
http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=756
The status of the dhimma in Pakistan.
This report:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006876.php
Is answered by this Islamic justice:
http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsdetails.php?newsid=601
Rajnaara C Akhtar prayed that the perpetrators of the London bombings not be Muslim. Did she also send a few prayers to Allah to plead for the lives of those suffering and maimed? Did she also pray for those already dead? Her concern was for herself, her people, not for the victims.
I've read a bit about the Assembly for the Protection of Hijab - I came across this recently somewhere. I remember seeing three MEN(!) in the picture which accompanied the article - no women to be seen anywhere.
Hijab - isn't that a THING? A custom, an Islamic mandated manner of dress for women? But just a THING! Not a living, breathing person! And they want to "protect" it? Where are the Associations for the Protection of the Young Girls in Iraq? in Afghanistan? Blood is shed daily there - floggings, hangings, stonings, not to mention everyday beatings. Where is the outcry? Where are the Muslim associations to protect those young girls? Where are the associations to protect women who refuse to wear hijab - those who suffer physically - beatings, rape, murder? How about protecting the mental health of those who do wear hijab due to psychological intimidation? The bodies and minds are expendable - the manner of dress isn't, apparently.
She says, "How does the Muslim community ... begin to recover?" Let her think of those who will never recover - and their families, their lives changed forever.
Let British Muslims begin their street marches decrying their own homegrown terrorists, let them protest the damage done to their religion by their own, let them peer deeply into that religion, let them turn in the perpetrators and all those who preach hatred under the protection of the enlightened British judicial system - all those who betray the country that took them in, supported them, and continues to PROTECT them as living and breathing people - and also protects their customs and beliefs.
In London Islam has spoken again. And now Rajnaara C Akhtar fears the backlash. If Muslims don't want a backlash, they must quit provoking it.
The whinging about how Muslims fear backlashes and being victimized has been deafening. Far more so than after previous Islamic-inspired slaughters. That's all we hear about - them. It seems to be their latest tactic. What do they call it? Kitman? Probably due to them knowing that more of us are informed and don't trust them, so they seek to deflect the blame by claiming victimhood. It's a pretty disgusting tactic though. Here we have funerals starting, and all we hear from Muslims is 'boo hoo hoo, woe is me'. Incredibly disrespectful and selfish.
"Muslim community with a triple-burden" - oh, goodness, gracious me, poor things! Can you believe this? How about the burden the family and loved ones of Susan Levy are suffering, and will suffer for years to come?
There is an online version of the fatwa prounced by the UK Ulema in response to the terrorist massacres in London on the 7th of July. This is the fatwa which was promised by 'sir' Iqbal Sacranie to be completely clear in its condemnation of religious violence.
These wording of these fatwas are legal texts which need to be examined very closely. The link at the Muslim Council of Britain is here
http://www.mcb.org.uk/Signed_Ulama_statement.pdf
And the text in full is here:
In the name of Allah, the all-Merciful, the most Compassionate
A special meeting of imams (leaders) and ulama (scholars) held at the Islamic
Cultural Centre, Regents Park, London on 15th July 2005 endorsed the following
declaration:
Along with all Londoners and the people of Britain, we are deeply shocked and
saddened by the bombing attacks of 7 July 2005 that caused the loss of at least 52
innocent lives, wounded hundreds and disrupted the peace and order of the civic and
community life of the metropolis. We regard these acts as utterly criminal, totally
reprehensible, and absolutely un-Islamic.
On behalf of our communities and congregations, we express heartfelt sorrow and
extend condolences to the families and friends of the victims. We pray for the speedy
recovery of the injured. We extend our sympathy to the entire British public, a nation
to which we all belong by the Grace of God.
There can never be any excuse for taking an innocent life. The Qur’an clearly
declares that killing an innocent person was tantamount to killing all mankind and
likewise saving a single life was as if one had saved the life of all mankind. (The
Qur’an, Al-Maidah 5:32) This is both a principle and a command.
We are firmly of the view that these killings had absolutely no sanction in Islam, nor is
there any justification whatsoever in our noble religion for such evil actions. It is our
understanding that those who carried out the bombings in London should in no sense
be regarded as martyrs.
It is incumbent upon all of us, Muslims and non-Muslims – to help the authorities with
any information that may lead to the planners of last week’s atrocity being brought to
justice. The pursuit of justice for the victims of last week’s attacks is an obligation
under the faith of Islam.
Islam is the middle path and the Qur’an designates Muslims as the ummatan wasata
– the middle community. Any form of extremism is to be utterly and completely
rejected. What we need, therefore, in our troubled world, more than ever before is to
stick to the middle and balanced way of Islam.
We need also to remind ourselves, young as well as old, that the solution to our
problems and concerns lies in following and adhering to the noble discipline of Islam
and to the way of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and not falling prey to a culture of
conflict and discord. The social culture of Islam is based on the principle of inviting
people towards good, courteously and wisely – with Hikmah and mawizah Hasana.
(The Qur’an, Al-Nahal 16:125) The Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him, was sent
as a mercy to mankind and that is the ideal and norm that we ought to be following all
the time.
The tragedy of 7th July 2005 demands that all of us, both in public life and in civil and
religious society, confront together the problems of Islamophobia, racism,
unemployment, economic deprivation and social exclusion - factors that may be
alienating some of our children and driving them towards the path of anger and
desperation. Islam prohibits both anger and desperation. Anger and desperation are
haram (forbidden) and may lead to some people being targeted by people with a
sinister and violent agenda. There is, therefore, a great deal of positive work to be
done together with everyone in our own and wider community in order to channel the
energy and talent of our youth particularly into constructive avenues, serving God and
society for the common good. The youth need understanding, not bashing.
We do naturally feel deeply for the sufferings, injustices and oppression the world
over. Yet we also remind ourselves of the verse of the Qur’an, “O you who believe!
Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity and let not abhorrence of any people make
you swerve from justice. Deal justly, that is nearer to God-fearing. Fear Allah. Allah is
aware of what you do.” (Al Maidah, 5:8)
We also call on the international community to work towards just and lasting peace
settlements in the world’s areas of conflict and help eliminate the grievances that
seem to nurture a spiral of violence. We also urge the media to refrain from character
assassinations of our reputable scholars and denigration of the community.
We reiterate our resolve and commitment to work towards nurturing an identity that is
true to its faith and its rights and responsibilities of British citizenship. Finally, we pray
to God Almighty to bless all the people of the world with His Peace and Mercy. Wa
akhiru da’wana ani-lhamdulillahi rabbil-alameen.
The meeting was convened by The Muslim Council of Britain with the British Muslim Forum and other
leading national and regional organisations from across the country.
I am preparing letters to the major British newspapers and politicians. If some of the JW readers could do so it would great to deluge the press and politicians with some well argued letters. Points to raise are the following
1) The verses used are out of context. Verse 5:32 about taking of one life is an order by allah which only applied to jews. It is not binding on Muslims. The following verse calls for the crucifixion and mutilation of infidels.
2) Shortly after Verse 5:8 in verse 10 you will learn that unbelievers are "the rightful owners of hell"
3) Invite readers to read more such as verses 5:80 and beyond where muslims are encouraged to mistrust infidels "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."
4) Notice the lack of the word terrorism.
5) The Fatwa says "We need also to remind ourselves... that the solution to our
problems and concerns lies in following and adhering to the noble discipline of Islam
and to the way of the Prophet." You can bring to attention the killing of innocent jews such as the poetess in the Sunnah
"A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood."
Abu-Dawud Book 38 verse 4349
Or of course the marriage to 6 year old Aisha. Is this the way of the prophet the British Imams have in mind? Can this be reconciled with UK law?
6) According to the Fatwa we need to confront the "problems of Islamophobia, racism,
unemployment, economic deprivation and social exclusion" As if playing cricket, driving a mercedes, working as a school teacher constitute problems which drive people to massacre civilians. How does islamophobia compare with divinely inspired drivel such as "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors" Koran 5:51
7)What does this mean "Anger and desperation are
haram (forbidden) and may lead to some people being targeted by people with a
sinister and violent agenda" The word 'People' is used twice with no real clue as to who they are. It could be read to say Infidels are violent and sinister and could target (i.e kill)angry desperate people. 'Target' could mean kill, or could mean 'influenced by evil people". I imagine the imams wanted us to read that angry muslims could be influenced by Al Quaeda to kill civilians. Its not clear.
8) The usual 'we condemn but..." is still very much there. Once again, the victims are muslims and they need more understanding. The phrase "nurture a spiral of violence" suggests terror attacks which main and kill and destroy are the result of something we could have have avoided.
9) "We also urge the media to refrain from character
assassinations of our reputable scholars and denigration of the community." Why not? Why is the muslim community beyond critcism?
10) "We reiterate our resolve and commitment to work towards nurturing an identity that is
true to its faith and its rights and responsibilities of British citizenship."
Nuturinf an identity implies that there is no intent to assimilate. How does this differ from the Balkans?
It would be fantastic if 100s of these letters could be sent while the terrorist attack is still fresh in people's minds. Also as the Fatwa is fresh off the press, the papers will have a chance to see letters from non-muslims filling their post boxes.
You are more likely to be published if you just mention one or two points in your letter. if enough of write, hopefully some of our mails will get published.
When you write to Uk Newspapers always put a full name and address. ('a' not 'your' if you wish to be discreet)
Here are a few email addresses:
dtletters@telegraph.co.uk The Daily Telegraph
letters@independent.co.uk The Independent
letters@guardian.co.uk The Guardian
If anyone could post other email addresses it would be most useful
Residents of the UK can also write to their councillor, Euro MP or MP from this address http://www.writetothem.com/
In London Islam has spoken again. And now Rajnaara C Akhtar fears the backlash. If Muslims don't want a backlash, they must quit provoking it.
Posted by: Jen at July 18, 2005 08:29 PM
The "lash" is always worse than the "backlash", but that seems to be forgotten in the ensuing muslim frenzy to protect themselves, to whine, to lament their imaginary, pathetic plights, as if they were the victims.
The selfish outcries of muslims following every Islamic terror attack are absolutely disgusting and prove beyond a doubt that they don't care about the victims of Islamic savagery, they only want to ensure that their "rights" are not threatened. They don't want any inconveniences as they commute from their jobs and schools to their segregated ghettoes, where they probably hold celebrations. Eventually they will indeed suffer real, not imaginary, backlash and it will be widespread and uncontrollable. When one's first loyalty demands perfidy to one's country and fellow citizens, enormous conflict is inevitable.
I'm trying to decide if the deaths of over 50 British citizens are nearly as important in the UK as the remote possibility of backlash against muslims. One almost gets the feeling that a rock thrown through the window of a mosque would be considered a more heinous crime than the bombings.
Sebastian, I have a strategy as well. Besides working on my website concept, I have worked on and completed one letter. It is customized to one individual who has a national TV show. I am proud of it and mailed it Monday. I will be posting if it gets a positive response. Such concepts for letters and recommended attachments will be part of my website.
It is best not to overwhelm a person with too much, and with topics they may not easily relate to. You must choose something that you know will strongly pique their interest. For example, after a nice introductory paragraph, you say something like "..the Western Civilization is concerned with the problem of Islam... Are you familiar with taqiyya? (anything will do that you think will capture their attention.) Then you explain this briefly, attach a copy of a few articles for beginner Infidel learning about the real Islam, and you can have links to JW or DW or wherever. The concept here is to give them a 'door' that he/she wants to enter. You do this keeping to a narrow subject or two about Islam that they want to know more about.
Your strategy may work well as well. We will just have to see what works best.
My brain thinks of many ideas, from defensive and offensive strategies for our government to how to go about 'naming names' and I am putting them down in my work folder everyday for my website.
More as this evolves.
Reset
Remember how when Eric Rudolf did the Olympic bombing all the Christians said ,"Please don't let it be a Christian who is responsible..." and later even when it became clear he was only part of a small fringe minority "ALL the Christian women took the advice not to travel alone..." ???
Er, wait -- it wasn't like that at all, was it??? So much for what the Muslims say ...
Once again depicting themselves as the ultimate victims of another in a long string of Muslim abominations against non-Muslims -- yet another pretext to demand more from their host society, more protection, more concessions -- yet another diligent recycling of a heinous Islamic terror act and churning it into a useful tool to place the infidel twice on the defensive...
We must learn to stop misunderstanding Islam and stop forcing them to do bad things... Muslim don't want to do these things, and only act out of frustration at our intolerance and Islamophobia...
Sebastian, I have a strategy as well. Besides working on my website concept, I have worked on and completed one letter. It is customized to one individual who has a national TV show after seeing him be very frustrated with the taqiyya anwsers he got from his Muslim apolgist guests.
I am proud of it and mailed it Monday. I will be posting if it gets a positive response. Such concepts for letters and recommended attachments will be part of my website.
It is best not to overwhelm a person with too much, and with topics they may not easily relate to. You must choose something that you know will strongly pique their interest. For example, after a nice introductory paragraph, you say something like "..the Western Civilization is concerned with the problem of Islam... Are you familiar with taqiyya? (anything will do that you think will capture their attention.) Then you explain this briefly, attach a copy of a few articles for beginner Infidel learning about the real Islam, and you can have links to JW or DW or wherever. The concept here is to give them a 'door' that he/she wants to enter. You do this by keeping to a narrow subject or two about Islam that they want to know more about.
Your strategy may work well as well. We will just have to see what works best.
My brain thinks of many ideas, from defensive and offensive strategies for our government to how to go about 'naming names' and I am putting them down in my work folder everyday for my website.
More as this evolves.
Reset
Skeet Street
here is a interesting little fact
The only UN soldier to die in the Srebrenica offensive, was killed by the Muslims.
Was Srebrenica a Hoax?
Eye-Witness Account of a Former United Nations Military Observer in Bosnia
by Carlos Martins Branco
It is now two years since the Muslim enclave, Srebenica, fell into the hands of the Serbian army in Bosnia. Much has been written about the matter. Nonetheless the majority of reports have been limited to a broad media exposure of the event, with very little analytic rigor.
Discussion of Srebrenica cannot be limited to genocide and mass graves.
A rigorous analysis of the events must take into consideration the background circumstances, in order to understand the real motives which led to the fall of the enclave.
The zone of Srebrenica, like almost all of Eastern Bosnia, is characterized by very rugged terrain. Steep valleys with dense forests and deep ravines make it impossible for combat vehicles to pass, and offers a clear advantage to defensive forces. Given the resources available to both parties, and the characteristics of the terrain, it would seem that the Bosnian army (ABiH) had the necessary force to defend itself, if it had used full advantage of the terrain. This, however, did not occur.
more
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BRA403A.html
With Milosevic "another Hitler" and the Serbs "willing executioners," by NATO-power determination in the early 1990s, the quest for bodies was early and intense. But only Bosnian Muslim bodies were sought, not victims of the Bosnian Muslims or Croatians, although there is extensive evidence of repeated massacres of Serbs in Bosnia in the years 1992-1995. In 1994 and 1995, Muslim commander in Srebrenica, Naser Oric, proudly showed journalists videotapes of his "war trophies," including severed heads and heaps of bodies of Serbs.And many forget the fact that thousands of bin Laden's troops and allies had been imported to fight the Bosnian Muslim cause in those years.
Nasir Oric, a war criminal responsible for killing over 640 Serbs in villages that surrounded Srebrenica, he is not even indicted! This Muslim criminal has created video films of his exterminations. These videos are being sold on street corners in the Arab world showing Nasir Oric decapitating and murdering innocent Serbian victims, the Muslim world's version of pornography. Oric used the "safe-haven" of Srebrenica as a military base to destroy 42 Serbian villages in the year prior to Srebrenica's fall. Nasir Oric is also the same Muslim that converted the Serbian Orthodox church in Konjic into a public toilet and the Serbian church in Srebrenica into a stable.
And let us not forget
The Grand Mufti and the Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945
The Muslim Waffen SS Divisions were known for their atrocities against civilians and for their bestial acts against anti-Nazi guerillas. Himmlerís liaison officer at Hitlerís headquarters, SS Brigadefuehrer Hermann Fegelein, who had commanded the 8th SS Kavallerie Division ìFlorian Geyerî in Russia and Hungary, described to Hitler the fanaticism and bestiality of the Bosnian Muslim troops, which even appalled the SS leaders, as follows:
The enemy takes off with all its things when they [the Bosnian Muslims] move in. They kill them only with their knives. There was one man who was wounded. He allowed his arm to be bandaged and then went on to finish off 17 more of the enemy with his left hand. Cases also occur where they [the Bosnian Muslims] cut the heart out of their enemy.
read more
this is a very long article,but it explains why there is so much hate toward muslims in the balkans
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
Here is a copy of the letter sent to various UK papers:
Sir
As one more unequivocal condemnation of violence is made by British Imams it makes sense to examine closely what is in fact a legal muslim text. The fatwa paraphrases the verse we have heard dozens of times: he who kills one person is guilty of killing all mankind. This is very misleading because if you open your koran to chapter 5 verse 32 you will read the following:
"We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people"
Could the victims of the London bombings be considered having spread "mischief in the land". Didn't their taxes fund the war in Iraq? As the verse immediately following this one, would, under current legislation be considered incitement to religious hatred, curious readers might prefer to discover for themselves what allah has in store for non believers.
The fatwa states that the solution lies in adhering to the way of the prophet. Some events in Mohammed's life would not be compatible with current UK law. He had a six year old wife, Aisha and approved the killing of Asma, Afak and Kab ibn al-Ashraf; all poets who criticized the prophet and were the Salman Rushdie's of their day. 600 jewish prisoners were beheaded at Banu-Karaiza, because they refused to convert. Their wives were enslaved. The fatwa does not make clear which ways of the prophet should be adhered to.
Unequivocal must mean unequivocal. There are far too many loopholes for this fatwa for it to be to be regarded as anything more than damage limitation. If British Imams cannot state clearly that the way of Mohammed is not the British way, then what chance does do muslims have to live in harmony with infidels.
Yours faithfully
But doesn't Akhtar know, there are no innocents according to Islam?
But doesn't Akhtar know, there are no innocents according to Islam?
But doesn't Akhtar know, there are no innocents according to Islam?
"The Islamic Human Rights Commission issued a warning and advice to Muslim women to ensure their security."
Where were the IHRC when Muslims were pelting Jewish WW II veterans who were being honoured during a ceremony at the site of a WW II bombing just before the recent General Elections? Or are human rights available only to Muslims?
Here we go again. Once again the trolls here at DW have hijacked a thread.
"She says, "How does the Muslim community ... begin to recover?" Let her think of those who will never recover - and their families, their lives changed forever."
You are an idiot, do you think she is completely ignoring the victims of the bombings (including Muslims), you twist things in such a way your hatred and contempt for all Muslims is made clear, crystal clear.
"The selfish outcries of muslims following every Islamic terror attack are absolutely disgusting and prove beyond a doubt that they don't care about the victims of Islamic savagery, they only want to ensure that their "rights" are not threatened."
Another very stupid statement, I mean really stupid.
"They don't want any inconveniences as they commute from their jobs and schools to their segregated ghettoes, where they probably hold celebrations."
Its goes from being stupid to just ridiculous.
"Eventually they will indeed suffer real, not imaginary, backlash and it will be widespread and uncontrollable. When one's first loyalty demands perfidy to one's country and fellow citizens, enormous conflict is inevitable."
Yeh, I've got it, you clown.
"One almost gets the feeling that a rock thrown through the window of a mosque would be considered a more heinous crime than the bombings."
You are on fire here, you’re on top form, please don't stop. Your stupidity is legendary.
Please, I send this message to the trolls here. You are not helping, you are a waste of space. You are trying to talk about things that you know nothing about, why even bother. You don’t know anything, please just mind your own business. You don’t speak for me, you don’t speak for the Muslims of the UK, just go away.
You are obsessed with how your version of Islam is violent and blah blah, yet you know more than a Billion Muslims across the World don’t follow your version of Islam, they are moderate peaceful practicing Muslims, now what is your problem. You want to blame a Billion Muslims for what a few of them do, you want me deported simply because you don’t like Islam, yet you know nothing about me. This goes out to the unreasonable Americans (You know who you are) on these threads, please mind your own business.
Jen:
While I agree with the point of your comment, which seems to be that the imams of Britain should show some real sympathy for the victims, I should point out that there are a number of religious denominations which do not pray for the dead.
Most Protestant Christians, for instance, hold that a tree lies as it falls; that those in heaven are beyond need, while those in Hell are beyond help.
This being said, my prayers are for the comfort and protection of the survivors, and the protection and grace of God on the UK, the country that taught a lot of the rest of us what civilized politics are all about.
Risible article with morally defective reasoning - is this what Islamism teaches? It skews moral sensibilty this far?
ia786,
Very well said...that was the perfect example of a Muslim argument. Instead of saying anything important of factual, you just call people stupid. You cry about everything and call people names. Very good..they have you trained very well.
I do completely understand your argument though. One has to lack almost all common sense to become a Muslim. Its one of the only religions that requires no original thinking and is spead by fear and the sword. Its a nasty cancer of the human race....and now its time for some chemo.
" yet you know nothing about me"
ia786 wrote
How can we know anything about you when you think backwards? I mean your "Holy Books" are not even in order.
"Very well said...that was the perfect example of a Muslim argument. Instead of saying anything important of factual, you just call people stupid. You cry about everything and call people names. Very good..they have you trained very well."
Very well stated, I feel like posting the same thing but aiming it at the Americans Rednecks on this site, it would make much sense and portray my thoughts and ideas quite well.
I made suggestions in another thread, these were criticisms of the Islamic community in Britain, I gave some possible solutions, and they were completely ignored by the people here. Why??? They didn’t encourage the blood of Muslims being spilt, they didn’t encourage the killing of Muslims in the West.
"I do completely understand your argument though. One has to lack almost all common sense to become a Muslim. Its one of the only religions that requires no original thinking and is spead by fear and the sword. Its a nasty cancer of the human race....and now its time for some chemo."
What the hell is 'chemo'?
"How can we know anything about you when you think backwards? I mean your "Holy Books" are not even in order."
You cannot know anything about me and other British Muslims as you are stupid. The fact that you are an Islamophobic bigot means you cannot possibly think about Muslims and their issues logically, every time you attempt to your irrational fear/hatred of Islam/Muslims grips your heart and causes you to make distorted judgements, the result of your Islamophobia? stupid comments. This has been proven over and over, time and time again. Just check the comments on this site for the last few months. Same rubbish over and over, Muslim this, Muslim that, nuke Mecca and Medina, blah blah blah gets rather boring after a while.
Good attempt at being clever la786, but no star for you today -- depicting yourself as the protector of this site, and calling the true understanders of Islam "trolls..." I find your addled illogic very telling when you say "unreasonable Americans (You know who you are) on these threads, please mind your own business."
Laughable...
Islam has hidden and plotted in our lands and repaid our generosity and tolerance with betrayals and murder. Now that Muslim treachery and malignancy is on display for all to see, it's a little late to suggest it isn't our business... Islam has lied and raped its ugly self right into our midst, and now Muslims such as yourself are learning it may have been a bad idea to grab this tiger's tail... Boo hoo for you!
Again..with the "stupid"...learn a new word.
Yes I do fear Muslims and i am an Islamaphobe...I fear people that blow themselves up in crowds of innocent people and kidnap and hack off peoples heads...I dont think that makes me irrational or a bigot...thats called COMMON SENSE.
But thats fine you stay in your fairytale world where Islam means peace, and Muslims dont blame everything that goes wrong on the Jews.
ia????
chemo in the context of cancer = potent pharmaceuticals (vs surgery or radiation)
And you think we're stupid?
Ch 5 v32 from the koran, is oft quoted after every deliberate and targetted massacre of innocents by muslims, that I'm beginning to wonder. I havnt heard any other "peaceful" quotations, so I will hazard a guess that this is the only one in the koran that is explicit enough. Is this so?
Another thing is that 5.32 is prescribed for the children of Israel. Does it mean it is not mandatory or applicable to muslims?
I'm sure many on this forum will have the answer to these matters of "real import", immediately to hand. These and other inanities of the barbaric cult of the 7th century, is what we have been reduced to pondering about, instead of taking up more worthwhile subjects to while away the time.
PM Blair and Pres Bush need to be informed of the Taqqiya that is going on by muslim leaders. Our leaders have for too long, been listening to the blandishments of Taqiyya masters.
"Good attempt at being clever la786, but no star for you today -- depicting yourself as the protector of this site, and calling the true understanders of Islam "trolls..." I find your addled illogic very telling when you say "unreasonable Americans (You know who you are) on these threads, please mind your own business."
Laughable..."
"true understanders of Islam"
That’s nice, make your own version of Islam, a version that only a few follow, a version that is rejected by more than a Billion Muslims, criticise it and cry like babies, yes you understand your version of Islam, you can have it. You do what you want, I am free from your version of Islam as are more than a Billion other Muslims.
I would say over the last few days I am the only one here that has made constructive comments, My ideas were not even debated, this may have been due to the fact that my ideas didn't involve Muslims being hurt.
"Islam has hidden and plotted in our lands and repaid our generosity and tolerance with betrayals and murder. Now that Muslim treachery and malignancy is on display for all to see, it's a little late to suggest it isn't our business... Islam has lied and raped its ugly self right into our midst, and now Muslims such as yourself are learning it may have been a bad idea to grab this tiger's tail... Boo hoo for you!"
That’s an interesting story Troll, did you make that up or did you read it from a book???
"Yes I do fear Muslims and i am an Islamaphobe...I fear people that blow themselves up in crowds of innocent people and kidnap and hack off peoples heads...I dont think that makes me irrational or a bigot...thats called COMMON SENSE."
No, no, no, no. You should not fear Muslims, you would be treated like a King if you were to meet me. You would have nothing to fear if you met my family and friends.
People that blow them selves up kill Muslims too. Take the terror attacks for the last 3 years, I would say the majority of victims are Muslims. As I stated bombs don't discriminate between people of different faiths, I am as much as a likely victim as you. In fact given my views on your version of Islam, those that follow it would really like to see me dead, that would mean I could be seen as a legitimate target.
My friend fear not, do good, stay away from evil, treat all with respect and gratitude especially your parents, be kind to those around you and put your trust in God. What have you got to fear if you do that??? Put your trust in God.
"chemo in the context of cancer = potent pharmaceuticals (vs surgery or radiation)"
Chemotherapy??? Why didn't you say that then?!?!
"And you think we're stupid?"
When it comes to Islam, yes. Alot of the people here are stupid. I mean really, really stupid. You wonder why no one takes you seriously, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Lets say you are right about Islam, so what?? What then???
Doesn't the fact that more than a Billion Muslims practice Islam peacefully and reject your 'correct' version of Islam mean anything?
Even if you are right (which you are not), your methods are wrong. Some people here simply jeopardise the mission of JW and DW. You shouldn’t be here if you are going to pursue your own evil agenda.
Sebastien:
Excellent stuff on your take down of the taqqiya denunciations by islamic spokesmen, basing their words on koran 5.32. 5.33 is where the real teeth of the argument is. Besides I think 5.32 is not applicable to muslims.
Anyway, may I suggest you send your takedown on this matter to PM Blair and Pres Bush. They really need to learn about islam before this plague becomes difficult to handle. I really do not wish Britain to become a large scale Eyam.
Calm down ia786, you sound like someone on the verge of a conniption! Don't feign such self-righteous outrage; it is simply not credible.
Let me offer you a theoretical analogy which may or may not penetrate your thick skull deeply enough to register. Since you are now a regular poster and self-appointed board monitor, I will assume that you assiduously read each and every article that is posted here, including the comments. Am I correct thus far?
If you do indeed peruse all of the articles, many of which are direct quotes from diatribes by members of the peaceful Islamic clergy, perhaps you should further scrutinize their comments about non-muslims. My comments about Islam and muslims are benign compared to the scathing invective of Islamic clerics directed at me (non-muslims) and guess what? They don't even know me!
I detect in you a distinct and very hostile attitude toward Americans. This is an American website, so you might as well get used to "redneck Americans." You are quite welcome to disagree with anything I say. I would be more inclined to reconsider my opinions, some of which could very easily be erroneous, if you did not resort to calling me names.
I will close with a short lesson in American culture. "Redneck" is a hackneyed and frequently misused word, a very insulting epithet. If you think I am a "redneck", you obviously do not understand what it means. Should you ever venture into the bowels of the Great Satan, I would suggest that you use discretion when tossing this word about.
Thanks for the taquiyyah, Ia.
Please, don't bother trolling here. No one here really cares what you profess to believe, and the fact that the hits keep on coming here means that no one else really cares what you profess to believe either.
A billion muslims practicing peacefully? Sure - where the filthy dhimmis have been suppressed and controlled, those sick animals, no? It takes less effort to oppress people when they're minorities, of course, so muslim countries might seem quite "peaceful". It's where islam isn't dominant, that darn old Dar-al-Harb, that there always seems to be this whole violence and evil thing. I mean, when are those pesky non-muslim scum going to give up and be enslaved, eh? =) Shucks!
Which "constructive comments", exactly, have you ever made? There's been taquiyya, of course, and a lot of denial, but your points have been only that you believe in your god and that's all that you care about. That's not exactly constructive. And who wants all muslims hurt? The posters here only want muslims not to hurt THEM or their families - perhaps you got a bit confused during your readings. There was some whining and name-calling and misrepresentation (as over on FFI), of course, as you've done elsewhere in a kind of infantile rage, but not much constructive. The usual blah-blah poor me, nobody loves me even though I'm being as deceptive as I can and planting as many red herrings as I can and not answering anyone's arguments ever, and all you people are racists/stupid/kuffir and I hate you but I can't come out and say it. It is indeed boring when someone repeats things endlessly without providing substance, I agree.
As for trusting in God, I think the greatest concern I have about trusting your god is that someone from your religion, 'trusting' him perhaps more than I do will want to kill me for not trusting the same god he does. Maybe not personally, of course: so long as I die for being a secularist, let alone an apostate, en masse will do, of course.
Imam Geoff
PS: You seriously didn't know that "chemo" was short for "chemotherapy"? What uni (that's short for "university" in Britain, BTW) are you going to? Al-Azhar? The University of I Haven't A Clue? Good God.