Sami caught red-handed again. Note also that unindicted deported co-conspirator Fawaz Damra was once known as a moderate Muslim leader. "Al-Arian linked to pro-terrorists," from AP, with thanks to Skeetstreet:
TAMPA - (AP) -- Jurors in the terrorism conspiracy trial of Sami Al-Arian were shown a video Tuesday in which the former college professor moderated a symposium where participants spoke approvingly about the killings of Israeli citizens and police in terror attacks.The video is another piece of evidence prosecutors are using to try to convince jurors that Al-Arian and three other men standing trial in federal court are guilty of raising money in the United States and supporting the mission of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a terrorist group blamed for 100 deaths in the Middle East.
The video showed Al-Arian moderating a 1989 conference in Chicago sponsored by the Islamic Committee for Palestine.
Al-Arian founded the committee, and prosecutors say it was a front for support of the PIJ.
One of the panelists, asked by a young man for a practical solution to the smoldering conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, suggests they meet outside to discuss how to smuggle weapons.
One speaker, Fawaz Damra, imam of a Cleveland mosque who is an unindicted coconspirator in the Al-Arian case, said: ``The first principle is that terrorism, and terrorism alone, is the path to liberation.''...
The defendants contend they are being persecuted for their unpopular political beliefs.
Yes, I think the idea that "terrorism alone" is the "path to liberation" is a political belief that is deservedly unpopular -- in fact, not unpopular enough.
This site sickens me, it is full of islamophobia
if u want to discuss with real knowledgeable muslims go to this site www.islamicboard.com
Go and re-invent yourself, elijah!
(Or deport yourself!)
You sicken me, 'elijah', because you have used a made-up word in a sentence, 'islamophobia', and actually believe it. Now please define 'an irrational fear of islam' and why that fear is irrational. Those who were forced to jump out of the WTC to avoid being burned to death want to hear what you think 'irrational fear of islam' is. Or are we irrationally afraid of a small minority of the 1.2 billion muslims worldwide (1%? = millions) who have hijacked a 'peaceful' 'religion'? What say you, 'elijah', can you define this 'irrational fear of islam' which you accuse us of having?
phobia: A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
I would guess that most posters on this site haven't an irrational fear of Islam, but rather posses an awareness of its historicity and its stated goals via Qur'an and Sira. Given that observation, I would like to propose blotting out the term, "Islamophobia," and coining a more accurate term, "Islamocognition."
Elija
Please take just a few minutes to make a list of just some of the contributions that muslims have made to the world community. Contributions such as medical procedures or life saving drugs, labor saving devices would also be interesting or perhaps the field of computer science.
Don't make the list of contributions exhaustive, just a few of the highlights would be sufficient to convince the doubters on this site of the superior nature of the practitioners of islam.
If you aren't interested in technical matters, you might want to skim over the history of islam as it relates to the freedoms mankind enjoys. Some of the world's islamic nations and how they interact with their non islamic practising neighbors. Also important for the complete picture might be the contributions that muslim immigrants make to their host nations.
Now is your opportunity to show these "islamophobes" how wonderfull islam really is.
Elija...we are all waiting.
elijah
i once considered converting to islam so i began to read the koran. it was so full of violence and hatred that i didnt even want to continue and couldnt finish it. it is my wish that all americans read the koran and see for themselves. i also hope all americans read as many books on the middleastern mindset as they can because islam is to be feared. just as islam wants to wipe every other religion off the face of the earth, i feverventy hope the reverse will occur so the rest of us can live in peace.
"Islamophobia" isn't accurate, I think the better description is I now have a better understanding "Islamic traditionalism". You can thank those who quote the Koran when they kill in the name of it for teaching me such things.
If you can't admit there are very, very violent sentiments and history in the Koran then you are not being honest.
Moose
Skeet Street,
I would like to propose blotting out the term, "Islamophobia," and coining a more accurate term, "Islamocognition
Beautiful!
And it also sounds very good in Danish.
Now watch me spreading that perfect term in Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
elijah
there is, i believe, only one difference between the muslim extremists and moderate muslims and that is in the method of achieving their goal of worldwide dominance. i also believe that is the only reason there are muslims presently living in the united states. it certainly isnt to accept out culture and assimilate into our society. america, love it or leave it is my thinking.
elijah...why dont you ask those 'real' knowledgeable muslims come here. I have been looking for a 'real' knowledgeable muslim for some time now. They are very hard to find. There are some 'real' knowledgeable apostates, thats why they are apostates. It would seem, elijah, that some 'real' knowledgeable muslims 'got smart' as well, and 'got out'. The problem with muslims is that they have lots of 'knowledge', but they are not very smart...educated beyond their intelligence...but as you know... Allah knows best...
One speaker, Fawaz Damra, imam of a Cleveland mosque who is an unindicted coconspirator in the Al-Arian case, said: ``The first principle is that terrorism, and terrorism alone, is the path to liberation.''
Now that's cute...Liberation is achieved by the religion of peace, by slaughtering people who just want to be left alone. And what does he mean by 'liberation'? I thought muslims were already liberated by virtue of being muslims.
Or maybe he means that terrorism brings on the wonderful' liberation by death', and that equals 'peace'. Damra must be one of those 'real knowledgeable' muslims elija mentioned...Well, Islam does seem to be able to instill knowledge, while destroying intelligence at the same time.
Damra is one example of many...
could it be that muslims suffer from a terminal case of projection in the psychiatric sense? its seems they are guilty of all the motives they attribute to everyone else
elijah wrote:
"This site sickens me, it is full of islamophobia....
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Islamophobia is one of the most overused terms in this world today.
Let me put this clearly: a phobia is basically an irrational fear of some thing.
There is hardly anything that is irrational about fearing Islam. Do your Islamists, fundamentalists, "minority", murderers, warriors, jihadists, martyrs or whatever else you wish to disguise your militant elements as do such a shoddy job of killing Westerners and ALL THE REST, that we do not learn the lesson?
The lesson has been learned and it is being reviewed by myself and others for the ignorant massses now -- over and over and over and over, until such a time as the TRUTH finally sinks in.
Islam is the Enemy. There is NO SUCH THING as Islamophobia.
Spin this.
"could it be that muslims suffer from a terminal case of projection in the psychiatric sense? its seems they are guilty of all the motives they attribute to everyone else"
Posted by: dms
dms,
They do! I was on a site discussing Islamic Terrorism and this muslim projected on me all the vile things that muslims do. A snippet here:
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"Carry on with your little Jihad. "
anhaga:
That is an incorrect use of the word 'jihad'.
Because I have no intention to force anyone to believe in my religion, nor give them the 3 choices: to become a believer, pay a jigza tax, or die. Nor do I think other people who do not believe as I do are "without sanctity", ie, not a proper human, such that their "blood, property, and land" are licit for me to take.
Those are the tenets of Islam that jihad implements. None of which I subscribe to.
So calling what I do a 'jihad' is an incorrect use of the word, unless you are practicing tagiyya, the Islamic doctrine of deception, and hope to 'outwit' me by pinning on me the predatory beliefs that Islam itself holds. Like a wolf trying to paint "WOLF" on a sheep.
What I am doing is calling a threat, which threatens all of us, by its real name. The threat to civilization today is the ideology Islam. It is the cause of the Islamic Terrorism that is shedding civilian blood in our streets today.
Posted by: skidd at July 18, 2005 01:50 PM
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"Good luck with your Final Solution."
anhaga:
Final Solution. (another tagiyaa diversion?)
There is no such term or notion in my comments.
This is a term that you coin and then ascribe to me! By doing that, are you hoping that you could taint me with associations to Nazi atrocities, and so divert us from the issue that matters here -- the seditious, predatory and murderous tenets of Islam, that is driving muslims to blow up civilians in our cities into thousands of body parts.
Posted by: skidd at July 18, 2005 02:20 PM
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Elijah,
Can you name one single religion in the world today in whose name people ar eready to blow themselves up - just name one single religion. There are plenty of non-muslims in this world who are deprived, unhappy, exploited, BUT their leaders cannot cite any religious authority whatsoever to call people to blow themselves up or kill other people.
The Islamists routinely cite texts from their 'HOLY (shit) BOOK' to support this violence - hijacking/ beheading/ desecration of corpses - the most vile things you could imagine.
And yet you accuse us of Islamophobia! What confidence does Islam give us as a community when anyone is ready to commit such heinous acts. Why should we trust ever to live with other Muslims?
If there is the slightest doubt that our liberties, freedom and individualism are at stake, we must ruthlessly destroy the enemy and take whatever flak we have to today rather than let our children suffer for centuries.
If I come to posts like this, I get the confidence that no matter how fragile our way of life may appear to be, there are people who will never give up to uphold our values and will sacrifice whatever it takes to keep it alive for our children.
We are strong and we will be victorious and if you want to see it as Islamophobia or whatever the shit you want to call it, we simply dont give a damn.
We have had enough of living in the shadows.
hey elijah, islam is the evil and corrupt, and the quran is the song of the devil.
this site is wonderful because it exposes islam for what it is. if you dont like it, seek life elsewhere.
eff
All the Explanation Anyone Should Need
Muhammad:-
Hey people I am a prophet!
People: -
Where are your credentials?
Muhammad: -
Here is a letter that I have written that says I am a prophet.
People: -
But this is your own words.
Muhammad: -
No this is what Allah dictated and I wrote it.
People: -
How can we know you are not lying?
Muhammad: -
You are deaf, dumb and blind and you’ll burn in hellfire. 2.171. 6.39, 8.22. 17.97
Stupid people aka Muslims: -
Whoa! What a convincing argument! We believe.
Muhammad: -
Now let us go and raid merchant caravans.
Muslims: -
But isn’t stealing unethical?
Muhammad: -
No! Because you became poor after following me and are no more working, Allah has given you the right to lay hand on other people’s property. Also they oppressed you. You can kill them. Oppression is worse than killing 2:217 Now let us attack villages without warning and take the population by surprise while they are heedless and their cattle is being watered at places of water. We will kill their fighting men and take their women and children as captives. Remember that the prettiest of the captives is my share. [Bukhari 3.46.717 ]
Muslims: -
But isn’t raping married women sin?
Muhammad: -
No! Incidentally Allah sent me a verse this morning saying it is okay to have sex with your right hand possessions. 4:24 So rape them with clear conscience. But always remember that the prettiest captive belongs to Allah and his messenger. [Bukhari1.8.367]
*Religion for pirates*