And he's right, you know. If his conscience tells him that it's all right to kill Americans for Islam, what are we to jail him for it? Ignorant, intolerant Islamophobes, that's what. Al-Timimi update, "US Muslim to appeal life sentence for inciting jihad," from The Guardian, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Defence lawyers said yesterday they would appeal against a life sentence imposed on a Muslim scholar for inciting his followers to fight a jihad against America, in a case that has raised questions about mandatory sentencing guidelines.Ali al-Timimi, an Iraqi-American cancer researcher who lectured at a mosque in the Virginian suburbs of Washington, declared himself to be "a prisoner of conscience" after the sentence was imposed on Wednesday.
The judge in the case, Leonie Brinkema, conceded the sentence was "very draconian", but said her hands were tied by mandatory congressional sentencing guidelines. She rejected a defence demand to set aside the conviction, and claims that Mr Timimi was protected by the constitution's first amendment, which guarantees freedom of expression.
"This was not a case about speech; this was a case about intent," Judge Brinkema said.
The lead prosecutor, Gordon Kromberg, said: "Al-Timimi hates the US and calls for its destruction. He's allowed to do that in this country. He's not allowed to solicit treason, as he did. He deserves every day of the time he will serve."
A defence lawyer, Edward MacMahon, described the sentence as "cruel and unusual" punishment. "No one was injured or even threatened with injury as a result of Mr Timimi's actions," he said.
Yes, you see, Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald explained it recently: if you say you want to kill Americans, that's ok. Just don't say you want to kill Mr. Smith or Ms. Jones:
Timimi was found guilty of "soliciting" and "inducing" American Muslims to go to war against the US, to use firearms and carry explosives, among a total of 10 charges.
But no one was hurt, you see? MacMahon's statement amounts to saying that he was caught too soon to do any damage, so why punish him?
Timimi was found guilty of "soliciting" and "inducing" American Muslims to go to war against the US, to use firearms and carry explosives, among a total of 10 charges.
Hey, if that is a crime then there'll be many many more clerics in the US who should follow (orange) suit into jail. Now, if only we had enough reliable arabic translators to monitor the arabic sermons, eh?
Besides, ain't aiding and abetting the enemy a seditious act too? All those jacka_ses on the left calling for "minutemen" victories against US forces... But first, we've to name the enemy and declare the war before we can go there.
Great result, this should be made clear to all that such hate speach is unacceptable and has consequences.
Tony Blair please take note!!!
Yes, Virginia did a great job of prosecuting Al-Timimi. But the appeals aren't over yet.
O'Reilly had a segment on the Al-Timimi case last night.He reported that Al-Timimi was charged with 10 counts and convicted on all 10 counts. Al-Timimi was described as a "convicted terrorist" on the show. These are some of the crimes Al-Timimi was convicted of:
1. Soliciting treason.
2. Soliciting other to wage war against the United States.
3. Attempting to aid the Taliban.
4. Conspiracy
5. Aiding and abetting the use of firearms and explosives.
6. Soliciting the use of firearms and explosives.
The "firearms and explosives" charges are terrorism related and carry mandatory life sentences.O'Reilly said you won't have Mullah's in the US standing up at the Mosque on Friday saying "kill the Jews", "kill the infidels", "blow everything up". Because they will face the same charges as Al-Timimi.
Roxane,
I heard O'Reilly say those words last night. We need Arabic-fluent watchers in those mosques.
hooper on MSMBC when saked about mulsums taken charge of their nuts and stopping the madness & stop blaming others for their mess???
hooper BLAB BLAB BLAB and said nothing?????
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
ASK WHO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE??
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”
WATCH OUT AS YOU SAW VAN GOGH?? DID THE MULSUMS THERE EVER PROTEST THE KILLING OF THIS MAN??
THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PROTESTING OVER RUMORS??
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
THIS IS WHY MULSUMS ARE WHIMPS AGAINST THESE MONSTERS WHO KILL THEIR CHILDREN DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILDREN??
Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”
WHAT THEY ARE DOING TODAY YES INVADING AND ARE ONE WHO CRY RASIZIM?? WITH THE MONSTERS??
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”
ARE YOU ONE WHO SIDES WITH THE PALIS??FOR THEY HAVE THE YELLOW CURSE AND WILL BRING DOWN ALL MULSUMS!!!
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
SPEAKS FOR ITSELF?? SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUT IS THE BOOK THEY WORSHIP!! 1300YRS OF WORSHIP!!
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”
YEA KILL YOUR FRIENDS?? NOW WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT TRUST??
Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”
SO IT IS A LIE THAT THEY DID NOT KILL WOMEN??
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
ARE YOU LETTING THESE MONSTER BLAIR THEIR CRAP IN YOUR TOWN SHAME ON YOU?? WHAT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN REMEMBER BESLIAN!!!
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
LOOKS LIKE KILL TO ME??
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
WHO YOU GOING TO TRUST?? YOU ARE BEING LIED TO??
ARE ALL MULSUMS KILLER TERRORIST NO BUT CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE??
WOULD YOU WANT A CHILD RAPIST NEXT TO YOU EVEN IF HE SAID I CHANGED???
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
TERRORIZE THEM??
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”
WHY DO THEY COME WEST THEN? BUT TO TAKE OVER??
Qur’an 72:15 “The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.”
AGAIN IF YOU ARE A NON-MULSUM YOUR WHO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT??
Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.”
DON'T SEE PEACE HERE DO YOU??
Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”
AGAIN SEE THE LIES THEY SAID THIS IS NOT IN THEIR BOOK??
Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.”
THIS WOULD BE LIBS WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD??
Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”
SO THEY HAVE BEEN LIEING TO YOU!!
SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE NONE OF THIS???
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN
PS
rumor has the guy arrested has ties to ham-as????
O'reilly also said he thought the verdict was too harsh!!! He also said that there were no Imams preaching to kill westerners in american mosques, unlike in britian. He's clueless...
Bud
The muslims that are here in the U.S. that are spewing out hate speech and encouraging it's members to kill all infidels need to be rounded up and put into a prison camp with forced labor. The FBI,CIA, etc. know who these people are. Why dont they act on the information that they have? The so-called "good" american-muslims are not going to ferret out those that they know are associated with terrorist activity. I know that there are many who would disagree and say that these measures are too extreme, but I would say that extreme situations require extreme solutions. The fact is that anybody who has the power to do what is needed wont, because it would be politically incorrect. It's time for the people to stand up and do what is right,because the government is too impotent.
Let him appeal his convction. With any luck next time he'll get the death penalty, or a patriotic prisoner will deal out a little jailhouse justice.
He’s not a prisoner of conscience, jihadists can’t have consciences. Blowing up little kids requires no conscience.
One arrives at this state via islam, by hate, by mind control. He’s just a prisoner, mind and body.
Let him rot.
Al-Timimi was quoted in the July 14th Washington Post as saying that his religious beliefs do not recognize "secular law." The article also said that he was born and raised in the US and that the courtroom "was crowded with his supporters."