Now here's a story that bears watching. "Mosque leaders bar Imam Eid from pulpit," from the Patriot Ledger, with thanks to Twostellas:
Imam Talal Eid was at the Islamic Center of New England's Quincy mosque for the Friday service, as he said he would be. But he preached no sermon and led no prayers.Moving quickly to enforce a resignation Imam Eid claimed isn't valid, the center's board of directors barred him from the pulpit Friday and sent a board member to act as imam in his place.
‘‘He is a beloved imam, but he has resigned, and that's it,'' board vice president Tanweer Zaidi of Sharon said before the service.
The center's religious director since 1982, Imam Eid joined scores of other men in the prayer service but didn't speak, according to others who attended.
Zaidi didn't allow a Patriot Ledger reporter to enter the mosque....
Imam Eid's supporters, most of whom are affiliated with the Quincy mosque, say critics have hounded him for years for being too moderate and too involved with interfaith programs. Zaidi and other board officers deny that's the case....
The dispute has plunged New England's oldest, most diverse Muslim community into the worst crisis of its 41-year history, with charges that conservatives are maneuvering to take control and counter-charges that Imam Eid's supporters are being bad Muslims for airing the dispute in public.
"Conservatives," i.e., those who are more likely to favor violent jihad and Sharia. (Please don't write in telling me about Jerry Falwell's alleged desire to impose a theocracy. Until he starts beheading people, I am not going to accept this moral equivalency, which is dangerously misleading in distracting people from the reality of the genuine jihad threat.)
Quincy (formerly a part of Braintree) MA is the home-town of the Adams presidental family. The Adamses were pretty much kicked out of town by the Irish Catholic machine; it seems the Muslims are following up on this precedent.
So lets see if I understand the logic used by Muslims,a Imam perceived as being a passive
teacher of Islam is seen as a threat and thus gets the boot.
BUT,in LODI a Mosque harbours Imams that believe in violence and Jihad against the infidel pigs,when it's discovered that there are Immigration violations (which the Mosque staff must have know about by expired or no permits for being in the USA) that force a deportation order
we see CAIR defend these "spewers of hate" and
use "Islamophobia" to attack the American Government and exploit the Lodi Muslims by
CAIR claiming to speak for that community .
Glad that CAIR has finally taken a stance on their real agenda to support...oops,denouce terrorism in the name of Islam.
Boston: imam fired for being too moderate?
Here in America? That's a new one on me
Imam Eid's supporters, most of whom are affiliated with the Quincy mosque, say critics have hounded him for years for being too moderate and too involved with interfaith programs. Zaidi and other board officers deny that's the case....
Just goes to show - that those who think they're going to be able to change the writings of Islam - don't really understand the 'spiritual' influences upon men.
Change the writings - and you take away their one and only prophet. Not going to happen! So - the next best thing - is to expose that prophet - for what he really is.
Please don't write in telling me about Jerry Falwell's alleged desire to impose a theocracy.
ah - come on Robert....I can send you a bunch of Scriptures....that expose the things that fool EVEN the 'elite'
{Smile)
So lets see if I understand the logic used by Muslims,a Imam perceived as being a passive
teacher of Islam is seen as a threat and thus gets the boot.
BUT,in LODI a Mosque harbours Imams that believe in violence and Jihad......we see CAIR defend these "spewers of hate"
Posted by: ala-sux
That is a BEAUTY of a comparison - No?
Hooray for RS!
"Please don't write in telling me about Jerry Falwell's alleged desire to impose a theocracy. Until he starts beheading people, I am not going to accept this moral equivalency, which is dangerous misleading in distracting people from the reality of the genuine jihad threat.)"
This is going to make it hard for some to post their thoughts, only Christianity is bad you know. ;)
Hooray for RS!
Posted by: Carolyn2
DITTO!
Hi Carolyn
Where has Catherine been?
That's the real strategy of Muslims in the U.S.---preach jihad in the privacy of their mosques, but publicly spread pro-Islam propaganda trying to convince people that Islam is tolerant religion of peace.
I guess this imam had a shread of humanity left in him, and he couldn't lie half of his waking time. Of course, he was kicked out. Only savage Muslim beasts are allowed to be imams.
I wish they didn't use the word "conservative", because journalists will use this out of context, and confuse people.
Actually I find this to be a step in the right direction, at least now I know that there are at leat one (1) moderate imam in the world. That helps me sleep better at night.
I guess this imam had a shread of humanity left in him, and he couldn't lie half of his waking time.
Posted by: angry_kafir
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Woe unto the 'left'
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
It all boils down to what exactly - you are willing to suffer for God - without taking Life - Stealing - Cheating - nor using our own words.
Blessed are ALL who try - whether it be right or wrong
Cursed are all who think they are smarter than God is
Of course he was fired. One should be aggressive in pursuing the goals of Islam using any means possible,...and all know what they are!
Hi Beth, Catherine is probably shopping for cute short skirts and shoes. :)
Carolyn2 snidely editorializes: This is going to make it hard for some to post their thoughts, only Christianity is bad you know. ;)
Christianity is actually good for you, Dear C2. The practice of it, though, is quite difficult. Caritas, charity, loving-kindness is the hardest bit: the liberal bits.
I confess to being a deconverted Christian, but the message of cheek-turning neighbor-loving universal love perfuses me. Unfortunately, I have had to draw a line in the sand vis-a-vis Islam, for much the same reason I've drawn a similar line in the sand vis-a-vis Mormonism and other such whacko religions.
One loves the maniac, but hates the mania; be it by Thorazine or warfare, the nut cases must be confined. We deconverted post-millennialist saints will persevere and build our city upon the hill.
Hi Beth, Catherine is probably shopping for cute short skirts and shoes. :)
Posted by: Carolyn2
LOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I love her - I miss her
She's right - ya know? About being able to wear what we want
Christianity is actually good for you, Dear C2. The practice of it, though, is quite difficult.
Posted by: Loxias
IF - and I say IF .... If it is TRUE Christianity - is it really? Hard that is?
Oh - and what's ''''the Practice'''' ...Loxias
Please enlighten us
Yes Beth, she is right. I refuse to be double bagged.
Awww Loxias, there is not a snide bone in my body.
Awww Loxias, there is not a snide bone in my body.
Posted by: Carolyn2
Not mine either Carolyn ...I mean well - Truly.
But - and there is a 'but' - I will go after those who look for them - 'snide bones' that is.
Watch me ---> :o)
May be some snide fat,LOL.
Goodnight Beth and Loxias, tomorrow is another day to oppose jihad.
LOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good night my friend
Sad! This doesn't bode well for the direction that Islam has been taking in the past 30 or so years (And, yes, I know that Islam has always been moving in this direction. But there are times when things are better than others.) It seems that the Jihadis are once more on the rampage.
It just means that we are in for a whole lot of trouble in the near future and the Muslims themselves are moving toward a greater humiliation.
Sad! This doesn't bode well for the direction that Islam has been taking in the past 30 or so years (And, yes, I know that Islam has always been moving in this direction. But there are times when things are better than others.) It seems that the Jihadis are once more on the rampage.
It just means that we are in for a whole lot of trouble in the near future and the Muslims themselves are moving toward a greater humiliation.
Beth: IF - and I say IF .... If it is TRUE Christianity - is it really? Hard that is?
Christianity is the hardest of all religions. As the Catholics say, we are all called to be saints. It's actually harder, love-wise, than Bhuddism.
You MUST turn the other cheek, you MUST love your objectionable neighbor. You must follow the lesser way (I am thinking of Terese of Liseaux).
Being liberal is hard. Pope Benedict XIV, in political terms, is probably close to me. He defends the West. But Cardinal RatFinkiZinger is still Pope Rat Fink.
Being liberal is hard. Pope Benedict XIV, in political terms, is probably close to me. He defends the West. But Cardinal RatFinkiZinger is still Pope Rat Fink.
I see Loxias - you 'hear' what which the 'popes' of this world have to say?
Sad - very Sad
They speak their words - and we - THE CHRISTIANS speak our words.
Worlds apart I tell ya
But - believe as you wish = sleeep tight
Beth seems to be anti-Catholic, but not for the same (forgiving) reasons as I.
I suggest that Beth is an athiest.
I suggest that Beth is an athiest.
Posted by: Loxias
LOLS!!!! Now that is Funny!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in God - BIG TIME!
I hope that He'll remember me in the grave
What exactly Loxias, is it = that the vatican teaches us about the resurrection?
NOTHIMHG....I say..... Prove me wrong - please do
One would not expect would-be-Loxias to be fair to Irish Catholics, or to Catholics in general, but to virtually annexate them to Muslims stinks by even his standards. You see, Loxias, there is a slight difference. Catholics were there from the beginning, part of the founding of the Union. Find out about Representative Carroll of Maryland, one of the fifty-five signers of the Declaration of Independence. The Catholic Church was made legal by the Founding Fathers as soon as America was independent; the Pope even offered the fledgling American government a voice in the selection of bishops, but the offer was turned down in the name of their republican principles. To compare the position of Catholics in New England to that of Muslims, you ought to find me a Muslim signer of the Declaration of Independence and Muslim soldiers in the Continental Army.
The Adamses and the rest of the Unitarian aristocracy of Boston tried to use fanatized Yankee mobs against the rising Catholic power (find out about the burning of the Ursuline convent, and what popular preachers such as Lyman Beecher had to say about it; or about the Maria Monk fraud) and were beaten with their own instruments - the power of the mob, and electoral strength. Too bad. They started the fight, they fought, and they lost; all within the framework of American law and the American constitution. If you imagine for a minute that the Muslims will be so obliging, you are in the wrong site.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
Beth...in magickal literature, the "Brothers of the Left Hand Path", are black magicians. They are already deeply involved with the Devil and his angels(demons)...Mohammad was a black magician...there are a few hadith that report him trying to "invoke" evil onto Jews. "Invoking", is the wrong word for it, but the attempt is one of black magic...Devilish ritual hoping for devilish results...There were two black stones in Islam...one at Mecca and the other in Mohammads chest...
Loxias observation that Christianity is hard, is a laugh...turning the other cheek is not hard if one has any self control. If you have no, or little, self control, all of life is hard...jails and prisons are full of people who are lacking in the self control dept...
But he is correct with his observation that being liberal is hard...you have to swim against the current of "right thinking", to be a liberal...thats hard...
Paolo: One would not expect would-be-Loxias to be fair to Irish Catholics, or to Catholics in general, but to virtually annexate them to Muslims stinks by even his standards.
I'm anti-Catholic for the same reason Catholics are anti-Protestant.
All I was saying was that as the Irish kicked out the Unitarian Adamses, so the Muslims of Quincy are kicking out the Irish Catholics.
Is Paolo dissing the Adamses? Sure sounds like it.
"Unfortunately, I have had to draw a line in the sand vis-a-vis Islam, for much the same reason I've drawn a similar line in the sand vis-a-vis Mormonism and other such whacko religions."
You are a two-bit, run-of-the-mill bigot, Loxias. A typical fundamentalist liberal who hates anything that doesn't follow progressive ideology. I find you to have much more in common with islam than any other poster on this message board, as you, like the moslems, are a mindless robot preaching the prescribed venom of the brainwashed radical left.
It is the irony of ironies that you do so under the ruse of free thought and open mindedness. A thinly veiled prevarication, fooling nobody but yourself, and only proving that the narcissistic path of humanism renders narrow minded totalitarian sheep.
-MZ
Ah the irony of it all.
Splitting my sides here.
The bigot of bigots Madzionist
calling Loxias a bigot.
LMAO.
This is great cartoon material.
Giaour: your lack of self-knowledge is breathtaking. Not even a severe reproach by Mr.Spencer has been able to drive through your iron-bound skull the fact, obvious to anyone but you, that you are by a million miles the biggest bigot round here. In your case, it is not so much a matter of the pot calling the kettle, as much as the pot calling the polar bear black.
You MUST turn the other cheek, you MUST love your objectionable neighbor.
Posted by: Loxias
Did Jesus turn the other cheek when the pharisees and saducees tempted Him?
Isn't speaking the Truth - a form of love?
I have not called anyone a name - nor passed judgment upon them.
I'd rather be friends.
But I'm friends with God first - and I have come to know Him - by His Word - which is offered unto ALL!
Here's a perfect example:
Paul [Saul] was persecuting the saints.
And yet - God chose him.
Why?
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Beth,
You are terminally off-topic. I have asked you before to remember that this is an anti-jihad site. I am trying to encourage an alliance between Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc., to resist jihad violence. Your preaching is not helping.
There is a time and place for everything. This is not the time, or the place.
Cordially
Robert Spencer