Danish ex-Guantanamo prisoner drops suit against US -- will he now rejoin the jihad?

When you say "Danish citizen" I assume you mean a citizen of the country known as Denmark, capital Copenhagen, with those fun-loving Tivoli Gardens, and Illums Bolighus, where American tourists 40 years ago would buy the teak furniture that seemed to cost so very much at Design Research, and the restaurant even in the train station (yes, Americans were amazed -- in the train station!) set out the smorrebrod in such fresh abundance, and all was right with the world.

Well, how is it Denmark these days? How is it in Odense, city of Hans Christian Andersen, author of many stories, including his deeply sympathetic "The Jewish Girl"? And how is the churchyard in which Soren Kierkegaard now rests --and the church to which it must be attached -- still all a-ok for Christians, whether pious, or quizzical and skeptical? How is it for those Danish universities, with their quiet philologists, and archeologists, and students of Syriac or Mayan codices?

Yes, let us think of those famous Danes:

Hans Christian Andersen, and Soren Kierkegaard, and let's not forget the latest Dane to hit the world press -- Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane.

Three Famous Danes.

What's wrong with this picture?

is Denmark as far along, dhimmification-wise as, say, Holland? i was under the impression that it was faring a bit better, still had a backbone and there was still a head attached.

"outside the protection of the conventions violated international law..."

but, but, isn't that the way "good" muslims prefer it, what with obedience to man-made laws being apostasy and all? as a "good" muslim is only answerable to allah, aren't they unconcerned with the heresy of international law?
and surely a fierce jihadi could appreciate that here in the Dar-al-Harb, war is hell. Mohammed never said it would be easy, not like, say, abusing women.

"is Denmark as far along, dhimmification-wise as, say, Holland? i was under the impression that it was faring a bit better, still had a backbone and there was still a head attached."

Denmark is actually one of the toughest Western European countries, and the debate about Islam and Muslim immigration started there even before 9/11. But even they have a huge amount of "multicultural" idiots. Many links are included in my post:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07/camel-economics.html

Camel Economics

Outsiders frequently tend to view Scandinavia more or less as one country. It is true that these countries have much in common, but the differences that do exist should not be underestimated. When it comes to reactions to Muslim immigration, they are actually quite significant. Sweden is perhaps the most suicidal dhimmi nation in the Western world, and is pretty much disintegrating at this very moment. Neighboring Finland hardly has any immigrants at all. In comparison, 85 % of MPs in Norway recently passed a law saying that Norwegians are guilty of discriminating against immigrants until proven otherwise. At the same time, the authorities are covering up a disturbing amount of rapes committed by immigrants, and the fact that native Norwegians may become a minority in their own country in a couple of generations if the current immigration continues. As a contrast, Denmark is probably the one Western nation where the debate surrounding Muslim immigration is most mainstream and open. What's more remarkable is that it started even before 9/11 or the killings of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. Since coming to power nearly four years ago, PM Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s centre-right government has imposed some of the toughest regulations in the EU on asylum seekers. Denmark has tightened its immigration rules to make it harder for fundamentalist Muslim clerics to settle in the country. In a historic ruling, the Danish Supreme Court decided to expel two young Turks from Denmark even though they have lived in the Scandinavian country their entire lives. Several European countries are looking to Denmark for inspiration on dealing with immigration problems. In the Netherlands, already several elements of the tough Danish family reunification rules have been copied. The apparent success of the “Danish model” is being studied closely in Britain and other EU countries. Even Queen Margrethe has said that Islam is challenge that Danes will have to meet, and that "there are some things that should not be tolerated even if it is not politically correct to say so."

Unfortunately, all this does not mean that Denmark’s problems are over. The toughening of immigration and integration policies has also encountered strong opposition. Unknown attackers set fire to the immigration minister's car. Rikke Hvilshoj, her husband and two young children were rescued from their house. A group calling itself "Beatte Without Borders" has said it carried out the attack, condemning the government's "racist immigration policy. During the election campaigns in February 2005, Islamic leaders urged the country's 170,000 Muslims to vote against the ruling centre-right coalition. Schools in larger cities’ disadvantaged neighbourhoods say they are pressed to their limits by the flow of young immigrants, some of whom are spreading violence from schools to taxi drivers. Muslim extremists have declared that the Danish PM and Defense Minister are legitimate terror targets because of Denmark's participation in Iraq, and Islamist groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir are doing aggressive recruitment efforts among young immigrants. Members of Denmark's moderate Muslim community say they are reluctant to speak out with critical observations of their religion, fearing social isolation, threats and violence. A Jewish man was attacked for reading from the Koran. An imam infuriated the nation during a Friday prayer session by insisting that Muslim girls should cover themselves from head to toe and condemning women who use perfume. Even though British newspaper the Guardian accused Denmark of "flirting with fascism" when the immigration restrictions were introduced, according to leading Islam-critic Lars Hedegaard and others, they are not nearly enough. Recent events indicate that he's probably right in his assessment.

Two men have been killed in street shootings in a row involving a group of second generation immigrants in Copenhagen. An injured gang leader was subsequently freed by a group of masked men from the State Hospital, where he was under police surveillance. Integration Minister Hvilshøj rejected a proposal from Imam Abu Laban that blood money be paid to the family of a man who was killed. Since the shooting of a 24 year old and the wounding of his older brother, there has been much speculation about when revenge would be taken. But according to the Imam, the thirst for revenge could be cooled if 200,000 kroner were paid either by the family of the doorman who fired the shots or by the Islamic community. He said the practice of paying blood money to the family of a deceased person was normal in Muslim societies. Hvilshøj said such action could harm the entire integration process in Denmark. With the Islamic religious community as mediator, the family of the doorman, who fired the killing shot and who is now in prison, is being pressured to move from Copenhagen by the family of the dead man. But the agreement has been met with sharp criticism by experts in criminal law who say it is unlawful coercion and in contravention of the Danish sense of democracy. Only the courts of law can resolve murder cases in Denmark. Meanwhile there is growing fear amongst politicians that the immigrant environment in the Nørrebro area in Copenhagen, which has been unofficially declared an “Islamic state” by some of its residents, is developing into a parallel society where ancient traditions threaten Danish law.

200,000 Danish kroner is approximately the value of 100 camels. Some baffled commentators at first thought it was said tongue-in-cheek when Imam Abu Laban wanted the equivalent of 100 camels to be paid for a man’s life. That’s probably not the case. Ahmad Abu Laban is involved in an international group of Muslims who are known for supporting the anti-Western Islamist struggle of the school of global Jihad. He also tried to block the re-election of the right-wing government in Denmark in the previous election.

The idea of blood money originates from the Koran, 2.178:

O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom.

This principle of qisas, “an eye for an eye” in the case of homicide or injury, is taken very literally. A man in Iran was recently sentenced to have his eyes gouged out, after he had destroyed another man’s eyes by throwing acid in his face. However, in accordance with Sharia the family and relatives of a murder victim can choose to claim diyya, blood money, from the murderer, or pardon them, instead of allowing the execution to go ahead. In the case of homicide, the diyya for an adult Muslim man is valued at 100 camels. This is provided the victim's kins agree to accept the blood money. Indemnity (diya) is the payment of blood-money to the next-of-kin or the injured party, as opposed to retaliation (qisas), in which the killer is put to death or has a like injury inflicted on him/her. It depends upon what the family of the deceased or the injured party wants.

The number of 100 camels is based on the example of Muhammad himself, as recorded in sound hadith:

Allah's Apostle did not like that the Blood-money of the killed one be lost without compensation, so he paid one-hundred camels out of the camels of Zakat (to the relatives of the deceased) as Diya (Blood-money).

According to Imam Malik, founder of one of the four law schools of Sunni Islam, diyya is:

one hundred camels for a life, one hundred camels for a nose if completely removed, a third of the blood-money for a wound in the brain, the same as that for a belly wound, fifty for an eye, fifty for a hand, fifty for a foot, ten camels for each finger, and five for teeth, and five for a head wound which laid bare the bone.

Even though camels are the basic unit for calculating blood money, many jurists stipulate that you can pay an amount equal to the worth of 100 camels in other livestock, silver, gold or even cash:

According to Abu Hanifa, Malik, and one of the two views held by Ash-Shafi`i, Diyyah has three equal options; i.e. camels, gold or silver. Ahmad and the two disciples of Abu Hanifa added two more options; i.e. cows and sheep. The texts of the Sunnah clarified that the amount of Diyyah is one thousand dinars. Every dinar now weighs 4. 25 grams and thus the total calculation of the Diyyah would be 4250 grams paid in gold for the blood heirs of the victim. This amount can also be paid in cash according to the gold price.

Imam Abu Laban in Denmark is thus on perfectly sound Islamic grounds in claiming that 200.000 Danish kroner, equal to 100 camels, should be paid to the family of the deceased. Politiken, a left-leaning, intellectual newspaper championing multiculturalism in Denmark, argued that the principle of blood money wasn’t that stupid, and might be worth considering. Several legal experts and University professors claimed that the Islamic concept of blood money wasn’t too different from the Western notion of paying compensation to victims, and shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand. Luckily, they were met by an outcry from angry citizens. The ruling Liberal party foreign spokesperson Troels Lund Poulsen urged politicians not to waste time but to boycott discussions with Abu Laban or any other Imams who hold similar opinions. Many wondered what kind of primitive culture had been allowed to settle in their land, and mocked the “camel economics” where a person’s life was equated with a certain number of camels. Apart from the apparent 7th century time warp Muslims seemed stuck in, many commentators missed out on the worst part of the blood money concept: The compensation to be paid is not the same for all people.

The only full members of the Islamic community are Muslim men. All others have fewer rights, due to their religion, sex or slave status. The rates for blood money mirror this apartheid system. A Saudi court ruled that the value of one woman’s life is equal to that of one man’s leg. The court ordered a Saudi to pay a Syrian expatriate blood money after he killed the man’s wife and severed both his legs in a car accident six months earlier. The court ordered $13,300 compensation for the man’s wife, and the same amount for each of his legs.

The fact that a Muslim woman is valued the same as a Muslim man’s leg is appalling. What’s even worse is that the life of an ex-Muslim is worth nothing at all. He is a traitor and can be killed with impunity:

Muhammad is reported to have said: "The blood of a Muslim who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah is not lawful to shed unless he be one of three: a married adulterer, someone killed in retaliation for killing another, or someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community.'' There is no blood money for killing an apostate.

Ali Sina puts it this way in his essay "Is Political Islam Fascism?":

In the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follow.

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman

According to this hierarchy, a Muslim man's life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman. This hierarchy is based on the Islamic definition of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and Sharia (Islamic law). How can we talk of democracy when the concept of equality in Islam is non-existent?

Ali Sina is right: This kind of thinking is alien to Western notions of individual freedom and equality before the law. The two systems are completely incompatible and cannot coexist. At the same time, Denmark, Germany, England, France and the United States are faced with ghettos, where Sharia, the Islamic law, is in a process of takeover. The question arises: Who integrates whom? The "Encyclopedia of Islamic Law" defines Sharia as the "straight way", directly created by Allah's wisdom. This wisdom is eternal and comprises spiritual powers without error. In the long run, Western constitutions are unacceptable to Muslims. They would impose an undue and incompatible obligation: obedience to a man-made law. The "best community", however, knows one loyalty only: to Allah's law and his prophet.

Scandinavians were once involved in blood feuds, too. It's called the Viking Age, and we left it behind a thousand years ago, as should Muslims have done. We have no particular urge to return to a primitive tribal society. Yet too many of our "new countrymen" seem to insist on bringing one into our living room. Muslims make up less than 4 % of the population in Denmark, one of the toughest countries in Western Europe when it comes to confronting Islam. The fact that many of them, some even born and raised in the country, can still flaunt such blatant disregard for the most fundamental principles of our society should have alarm bells ringing all over Europe. Time is long overdue for some brutal honesty: Islam cannot coexist with Western society. All its basic tenets are hostile to every single idea on which liberal democracy and Western civilization are founded. Islamic culture cannot be integrated into the West any more than fire can be integrated with water. If Muslim immigration is allowed to continue, Muslim parallel societies will destroy our countries from within. We need to face this painful truth and act accordingly, or lights will soon go out over much of Europe.

Fjordman:

Didn't a Danish royal of high standing recently speak out rather unequivocably about the problems with the Muslim community in Denmark?

Great blog Fjordman, well researched & very readable.
I lived in Finland back in the mid eighties & I thought that Scandinavia as a whole looked to the UK & saw the horrendous state we were in because of enforced multiculturalism & decided it was not for them. It was damn near impossible for me to get residency - even though I had a Finnish wife & am a well qualified professional. I did eventually get temporary residency, but no work permit so had to leave. I think this contributed significantly to the break down of my marriage because my wife did not like the UK. I am kind of annoyed that it seems easy these days for these anti democratic droves who believe in a religion that is akin to a suicide death cult can get into beautiful Scandinavia so easily. I will had you to my must read list, & if I may, forward your blog to my friends.

We need more posters from outside the Anglosphere on this site. Fjordman is a welcome presence, but there are many excellent English speakers to be found across Scandanavia so it would be good to hear from some others too. How far would they say his standpoint represents a consensus on Muslims in the Nordic countries?

Most of all I would like to hear a Francophone voice. The inside scoop on Lyon, Marseilles, St-Denis or Antwerp would be illuminating.

waterdragon52: Yes, the Danish Queen:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/04/denmark-queen-calls-on-danes-to-meet.html

Denmark's Queen Margrethe has told a biographer that Islam is challenge that Danes will have to meet. In a new royal biography, the Queen told reporter Annelise Bistrup that it is both inspiring and frightening when people embrace a religion as completely as many Islamists do. "This is a challenge that has to be met, and which we have not met so far either because we have been too lazy or because we are too tolerant," the Queen said in the book. "When we are tolerant, we need to consider whether this is because we believe that something is right or because it is convenient," the Queen said, adding that "there are some things that should not be tolerated even if it is not politically correct to say so." The Queen's biography will be published on Saturday to mark the Queen’s 65th birthday.

albion: Thank you ;-) Finland is the toughest country in Western Europe, with almost no immigration. Unlike basket cases Sweden and partly Norway......

Effractor: I am still considered an "extremist" by many for stating that Islam itself is the problem and that Muslim immigration will destroy Europe unless stopped.

I love the Danes' pragmatism. They were the only European country who were able to save virtually all of their Jewish population (though there were few Jews in Denmark around WWII compared to other countries).

I think they are dealing with their issues much better than rest of Europe, though we must remember Europe has to act as one (or at least the larger countries must act as one) instea dof bickering endlessly over stuff like farm subsidies. They should also get rid of the Schengen nonsense - Spain legalising tonnes of illegals leaves the rest of European countries nowhere. Spain is pathetic.

I would rather have Europe closed (limited access) to Muslims than to see it destroyed. Its sad but thats how it has to be - there are enough immigrants who cherish being in Europe - we should get those kinds.

Many wondered what kind of primitive culture had been allowed to settle in their land, and mocked the “camel economics” where a person’s life was equated with a certain number of camels.

Posted by: Fjordman at July 27, 2005 11:18 AM

I hope you are arming your people while you still have the numbers!!!

Sorry but like you said life is worth more than some camels and the rule of law is the same for everyone!!

Sorry but there is going to be a fight the big Q? is how ugly is it going to get??

The more you drag you feet and keep being PC it will be Uglier??

YOUR MEN OF EUROPE ARE ALLOWING MULSUM MEN TO RAPE YOUR WOMEN THIS IS NOT GOod THEY ONLY SEE YOU AS WEAK!!

Time to fight back and show them that your Country is not an islamic country and you will fight to make sure that it never becomes one??

Reenact your Death Plenty and tell the French to go to hell if they don't like it

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