An article on how crucial MEMRI's translation work is for exposing the real sentiments of Muslim spokesmen -- including those whom witless dhimmis accept as "moderates." From Steven Stalinsky in FrontPage, with thanks to a tea-loving snail:
Within weeks of September 11, 2001, an Egyptian sheik serving as Al-Azhar University's representative in America and an imam at the Islamic Cultural Center and Mosque of New York City, Muhammad al-Gamei'a, was interviewed at an unofficial Al-Azhar University Web site, www.lailatalqadr.com. Sheik al-Gamei'a returned to Egypt shortly after his interview was translated. Many of his friends in the interfaith community were shocked at what this "moderate" said.In the interview, he claimed the Jews were behind the September 11 attacks and offered the following as evidence: "four thousand Jews did not come to work at the World Trade Center," and "Jews control decision-making in the airports and in the ... White House and the Pentagon." Another outrageous statement: "Muslims do not feel safe even going to the hospitals, because some Jewish doctors in one of the hospitals poisoned sick Muslim children, who then died." Sheik al-Gamei'a also predicted the collapse of America.
Almost four years after Sheik al-Gamei'a made headlines, another influential Egyptian-born New York imam gave a series of interviews to the press in his homeland. He also did not expect his words would be translated by MEMRI.
An imam at the Islamic Society of Mid-Manhattan and a lecturer on Islamic studies at Manhattanville College, Ahmad Dewidar, was recently called "the face of the next generation of Muslims in America." He has met with President Bush, Mayor Giuliani, Governor Pataki and U.N. Secretary-General Annan.
Recently, Dr. Dewidar attended the annual Conference of the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Egypt, where he gave a series of interviews. In one that aired on MBC TV on June 9, he discussed the spread of Islam in America. He referred to sermons he had heard in 1995 that stated, "We are going to the White House so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will become Muslim House." To view the broadcast, visit www.memritv.org.
On June 15, Dr. Dewidar was interviewed by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's Web site, www.ikhwanonline.com. When asked about how the attacks of September 11, 2001, impacted the spread of Islam in America, he said that he witnessed hundreds of Americans converting to Islam. Hinting at an American government conspiracy related to the attacks, he said, "Whether or not these events were planned, or pinned on the Muslims, or something else - [it] provided an opportunity for [the American government] to legislate dubious laws that restrict the growth and presence of Islam in the U.S."
Regarding American skepticism toward Islam following September 11, 2001, he said, "The media - most of which is under Zionist control - has helped to spread this perception." Later in the interview he said that "the Jews" control the press.
Yes, and Coca Cola too.
i think that you will see, over time, less and less of these vitriolic statements. Not, mind you, because muslims will become more sensitive, civilized, or tolerant, but because, up til now, the psychotic dictator/clerics have counted on the west's ignorance of the arab world in general and the goings-on in the mosques specifically, to freely and openly promote jihad from right under our infidel nostrils. it's the same phenomenom that we've all experienced in a multi-cultured workplace. i have worked with hispanics, haitians, indians, and others who freely discuss anything they want in their native tongue, right in front of me, because they know i can't follow the conversation.
i think over time these sump-pumps will be more careful in what they say and where and when they say it.
they may wish to live in the 7th century but they're starting to "get" modern communications, it's benefits and drawbacks.
I am hoping, come this fall, that I can hold a series of salons at my home to raise money to support MEMRI and JihadWatch. Perhaps this morning's grim news from London will finally force the usual suspects out of their state of denial. It's not about Israel. It's not about Iraq. When Islam is a factor in terrible sectarian violence around the globe... ...Darfur, Ossetia, Thailand, and countless other parts of Asia, Africa and even Europe and North America, how much longer can people go on pretending that we are not dealing with a virulent ideology that cloaks itself as a religion.
OT - Mr Spencer, have you considered giving administrative rights to friends in different timezones who can keep an eye on the forums, so that problems can be sorted out more quickly?
"Perhaps this morning's grim news from London will finally force the usual suspects out of their state of denial."
First and foremost, my thoughts and anguish go out to London as they appear to have fallen victim to a cowardly terrorist attack. Having lived through the 9/11 era, I understand how it feels to hear one news report get worse than the last. I sincerely hope that the casualties are limited.
I urge everyone to see this sort of terrorism as not Islamic but as political extremism. These behaviors do not represent the Koran, Islam, or the thinking of 99% of practicing Muslims who wish the maddness to stop as you all do. I hold firm in my "state" of refusing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Indeed, there is an evil element among us and this element will be weeded out.
These behaviors do not represent the Koran, Islam, or the thinking of 99% of practicing Muslims who wish the maddness to stop as you all do.
Good, so we will soon see fatwas from mosques across the UK denouncing the terrorist attacks and, more importantly, explaining to all Muslims how the true representation of the Qur'an is against such actions.
KingTolerance, you said,
"I hold firm in my "state" of refusing to throw the baby out with the bathwater."
If the baby is mankind, and the dirty bathwater is Islam, I will hold firm on it, too.
"Indeed, there is an evil element among us and this element will be weeded out."
The evil element will be greatly weeded out when Islam is recognized as what it is: a cult of death.
"Indeed, there is an evil element among us and this element will be weeded out."
Yeah I bet you'd enjoy that.
"An article on how crucial MEMRI's translation work is for exposing the real sentiments of Muslim spokesmen - "
But, does Bush get to read it or does State filter all material for him?
Reading the horrible news from London and then seeing Blair addressing Britain I wondered how much Bush and Rice are to blame for giving Abbas a pass on acting against the terrorists in his midst.
On the one hand Blair said that the terrorists will not succeed and on the other witnessing the Admin's statements on the Palestinians and Israel "terrorism" does pay.
What do Bush and Rice really know about the RoP?
king tolerance;
your "voice of reason in the wilderness" shtick is wearing thin. you do a disservice to humanity and the very concept of honesty.
i would prefer the world:
FIRST admit that Islam is a uncivilized and barbaric "religion"(i'll even give you that it is a religion and not a death-cult) which is a direct and immediate threat to the civilized world.
SECOND admit that the arab muslim world is corrupt, unproductive(minus isreal and oil, the entire $value of produced goods in the ME is LESS THAN THE GNP OF PORTUGAL),and life=-threateningly backward and even rich arab muslims don't invest in their own people.
THIRD lying, cheating and deception are highly admirable traits to arabs
only then will i be willing to let you go on and "nuance" the realities of modern life.
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King Kong: You urge the British people "not to see this kind of terrorism as Islamic".
Well, we DO! Of course terrorism is Islamic!
Islam IS terrorism in all it's forms.
I have just read the 200 word statement issued by the 'Jihad Organisation in Europe' - sheer evil! I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Islam is satanic.
These cowards have reckoned without the resiliance of the British people. Sadly, this might be what it takes to awaken my compatriots to the reality of Islam in our midst.
Viking5: "so we will soon see fatwas from mosques across the UK denouncing the terrorist attacks"
King: I am sure there will be plenty of denouncement from the Islamic communities all over the world should this be proven to be al-Qaida acting "in the name of Islam" or some other similar crap. The question is will there be coverage of it and will you listen?
Joel: "The evil element will be greatly weeded out when Islam is recognized as what it is: a cult of death."
King: Let's focus on the specific people who perpetrated this evil act, Herr Joel.
T-ham: "your "voice of reason in the wilderness" shtick is wearing thin."
King: So, too, is the incessant, vaccuous whining I read on this website. If you think painting broadly with a wide brush is solving your issues you are deeply mistaken.
T-Ham: "FIRST admit that Islam is a uncivilized and barbaric "religion"
King: No. I admit that there are barbaric and uncivilized interpretations of this relgion out there and these folks have gained a high profile through corruption and militant extremism.
T-Ham: "SECOND admit that the arab muslim world is corrupt, unproductive(minus isreal and oil, the entire $value of produced goods in the ME is LESS THAN THE GNP OF PORTUGAL),and life=-threateningly backward and even rich arab muslims don't invest in their own people."
King: I admit that there are many Arab nations that are largely corrupt and this corruption is what has lead to militant extremism. I have no problem in saying this and place a lot more of the blame at the feet of these corrupt individuals than I do any religious text. I also know that this corruption is fueld, in large part, by Western governments who wish to keep them in power.
T-Ham: "THIRD lying, cheating and deception are highly admirable traits to arabs"
King: I disagree 100% with this bigoted statement.
Recently, "Dr. Dewidar" attended the annual Conference of the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Egypt,
Another muslim Doctor...Dr of what? Maybe KT can enlighten us as to why so many of these Islamic "doctors", make so many stupid remarks...
Recently, "Dr. Dewidar" attended the annual Conference of the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Egypt,
Another muslim Doctor...Dr of what? Maybe KT can enlighten us as to why so many of these Islamic "doctors", make so many stupid remarks...
I am sure there will be plenty of denouncement from the Islamic communities all over the world should this be proven to be al-Qaida acting "in the name of Islam" or some other similar crap. The question is will there be coverage of it and will you listen?
I can't control the coverage, but I'm certainly listening. So far I've seen condemnation from several Muslims. Sir Iqbal Sacranie (Muslim Council of Great Britain) said "All of must unite in helping the police to hunt these murderers down."
I welcome the sentiment, but what I'm looking for is fatwas, ie statements with religious authority behind them. The terrorists claim to have the backing of the Qur'an. Neither Iqbal Sacranie nor anyone else can claim more authority than the Qur'an. What they must do is show the terrorist claims to be following the Qur'an to be false. Therefore they need to make public an Islamic theological case against terrorism. It's not enough for the Muslim leadership to say that they think terrorism is wrong, they have to prove to Muslims that Allah thinks it's wrong.
Viking5: "What they must do is show the terrorist claims to be following the Qur'an to be false."
King: I'm afraid you are asking for the classic square peg through round hole. We are not dealing with reasonable people. They are militant nut-jobs who are so lost in their extremism that the voice of reason will not be heard.
While many of you have already writen off CAIR, I was able to find this clearly placed on their homepage:
“We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)
KT...what a joke...you expect CAIR to say they support terrorists? Just exactly what does the Quran mean by the word "justice"? Justice for who, or what, concerning what? What Islamic justice is worth turning against family and kin??? As usual...your forte is in operation...blue smoke and mirrors...fragmented reality...the schizophrenic world of King Tolerance...sorry King...you just aint up to snuff...
"Duh": "As usual...your forte is in operation...blue smoke and mirrors...fragmented reality...the schizophrenic world of King Tolerance...sorry King...you just aint up to snuff..."
King: Blue smoke and mirrors to you = balance and both sides of story to me. Basically, anything I post (however correct and balanced) comes up as schizophrenic on your radar since you simply lack the ability to think in terms that are not black or white. You need the B or W distinction or your brain registers a "tilt." It is apparant in your posts that you are rather lost and have found refuge here, in a place with others who share your similar black and white mentality. The world is not black or white and it takes patience and effort to see it, not hate, ignorance and incessant whining.
"Perhaps this morning's grim news from London will finally force the usual suspects out of their state of denial". Posted by Waterdragon
KT, our in-house "suspect" responds:
"they appear to have fallen victim to a cowardly terrorist attack".
APPEAR! APPEAR KT! You can't even bring yourself to say they HAVE fallen victim. You are in denial.
More denial..
"I urge everyone to see this sort of terrorism as not Islamic but as political extremism".
This is ISLAMIC political extremism.
More denial...
"These behaviors do not represent the Koran, Islam..."
The whole purpose of this website is to educate you that indeed it is the Koran that gives these idiots the authority to commit such atrocities.
More denial...
"the thinking of 99% of practicing Muslims"
The general consensus among the experts KT, puts the support of this kind of "behaviour" at 10% of MUSLIMS! That's hundreds of millions of fascists, more than enough to wreck havoc on us.
"I hold firm in my "state""
Your're in a state alright, the state of denial!
Your thinking process KT puts you firmly in bed with the enemy. I thought I spelled sperm on your breath.
Hey KT,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm
Sounds like muslims to me.
Crusader: "KT, our in-house "suspect" responds"
King: The paranoia seeps forth, eh?
Crusader: "APPEAR! APPEAR KT! You can't even bring yourself to say they HAVE fallen victim. You are in denial."
King: No, I am simply waiting for the investiagtion to show who is resonsible. Could be al-Qaida, the IRA, homegrown UK group (like OK city in 1995). Nevertheless, your paranoia has told you it is certainly Islamists so who am I to urge you to wait for the investigation to unfold?
Crusader: "This is ISLAMIC political extremism."
King: Hooray! You've figured out a name to call it. Good for you, it doesn't change my viewpoint, though.
Crusader: "The whole purpose of this website is to educate you that indeed it is the Koran that gives these idiots the authority to commit such atrocities."
King: Sorry, but reading the above caption about the purpose of this website, your perception of this website is not accurate. What a pity. I propose that radical interpretations by bad human beings are what give these idiots "authority" to do anything.
Crusader: "The general consensus among the experts KT, puts the support of this kind of "behaviour" at 10% of MUSLIMS! That's hundreds of millions of fascists, more than enough to wreck havoc on us."
King: OK - going on your statement you are equally as bad at math as you are paranoid. 10% of the estimated 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide is 120 million. Not the "hundrdes of millions" your paranoia is telling you. Moreover, a scant minority of the 10% you purport are actually strapping bombs to themselves and otherwise acting out militantly.
Crusader: "Your're in a state alright, the state of denial!"
King: And you are nearly in a state of hysteria.
Crusader: "Your thinking process KT puts you firmly in bed with the enemy. I thought I spelled sperm on your breath"
King: You would know what sperm on the breath smells like, eh?
This immature and capitulating commment notwithstanding, my balanced viewpoint is intellectually honest and superior to your "Sky is falling" mentality. Not sure what else you propose, really. Its not like 1.2 billion people are going to change their religion because you mash angry posts on the internet.
KT: Christianity is EEEEVIL!
KT: islam is goooood!
KT is a muslim.
King:
Saudi princes -- who not only run the KSA, but also give money to the jihaddist cause as long as they do their bombing elsewhere, are still insisting that the Mossad perpetrated 9/11, and they are far from alone in that contention.
Sure, we'll hear denunciations, but how many will be sincere and how many will translate into actions like turning jihaddists and their advocates into the authorities?
WaterDragon: "Saudi princes -- who not only run the KSA, but also give money to the jihaddist cause as long as they do their bombing elsewhere, are still insisting that the Mossad perpetrated 9/11, and they are far from alone in that contention."
King: I am fully aware and have said, ad nauseum, that this is the very kind of two-way corruption that feeds radicalism and allows it to exist. Corrupt leaders need equally corrupt mullahs in order to oppress the masses. Toppling this sort of grotesque quid-pro-quo phenomenon would allow a more moderate brand of Islam to take root and grow.
Carolyn2: "KT is a muslim."
King: OK, you win. I am a Muslim. Will this now afford you the ability to actually convey your thoughts rather than harp on topics that have already been settled? We'll see I guess.
King:
Nauseating you certainly are. Ad nauseum.
The extremists are, in Daniel Pipes's opinion about 10 to 15%, but far too many of the "moderates" either sympathize with them, are apathetic or otherwise averse to making waves. Only a tiny minority openly oppose them. And offering up the moral equivalency arguements you usually do will do little to promote the opposition that will be required to promote the major reformation that Islam needs to undergo to defeat the jihaddist ideology.
Spencer, by insisting on calling a spade a spade, on the otherhand, may encourage that kind of development. Think of him as a therapist trying to get a neurotic to take responsibility and clean their own act up.
King: I'm afraid you are asking for the classic square peg through round hole. We are not dealing with reasonable people. They are militant nut-jobs who are so lost in their extremism that the voice of reason will not be heard.
Is it your position that every terrorist, everyone who funds terrorism, everyone who sees terrorists in operation and doesn't report them to the authorities is irretrievably beyond reason? None of them care for what the Qur'an says?
carolyn wrote:
"KT: Christianity is EEEEVIL!
KT: islam is goooood!
KT is a muslim."
Not necessarily, carolyn. We have millions of Leftists in our own West who think the way KT thinks. It is a rampant disease in our culture.
Metaxy: "We have millions of Leftists in our own West who think the way KT thinks. It is a rampant disease in our culture."
King: So there are "Millions of leftists in the West" as well as "Millions of Muslims in the East" and we're all out to get you, right? You are up your own paranoid ass and expect everyone else to conform to your own black or white view. Forget it.
Viking5: "Is it your position that every terrorist, everyone who funds terrorism, everyone who sees terrorists in operation and doesn't report them to the authorities is irretrievably beyond reason? None of them care for what the Qur'an says?"
King: No, you are drawing conclusions and putting words into my mouth. Let me clarify:
Like murderers and other violent criminals, people who premeditate and execute a terroristic action are clearly not thinking in a reasonable mode. Throwing religion into the mix makes it that much worse since it introduces religious extremism, too. Equally, those who support such barbaric acts either financially or otherwise, are guilty.
It is impossible to say who is "irretrievably" beyond reason, but it is possible to say what conditions permit such militant ideas to brew and take root. Therein lies my position - target the conditions that allow radicalism to thrive and put a stop to it. The West is busy chasing its tail while the bad soil is still growing bad crops. Islam is perfectly capable of being a peaceful religion in the 21st centruy and most Muslims pray for this daily.
I do not blame Islam as a whole and I do not allow myself to be degraded to the level of the likes of Hitler and the other hatemongers the world has produced.
It is impossible to say who is "irretrievably" beyond reason, but it is possible to say what conditions permit such militant ideas to brew and take root. Therein lies my position - target the conditions that allow radicalism to thrive and put a stop to it. The West is busy chasing its tail while the bad soil is still growing bad crops. Islam is perfectly capable of being a peaceful religion in the 21st centruy and most Muslims pray for this daily.
Then let's see the evidence! Let's see imams preach a peaceful message that shows the errors in the terrorist theology. Let's see all those who say Islam preaches violence (Muslim and otherwise) publically proven wrong. What reason is there not to do this?
"KT is a muslim" Posted by Carolyn2.
He's either that or a:
5'4" overacheiving preppy who was bullied in high school because of his smart mouth. The psycological trauma this caused now compels him to protect what he views as the defenseless in society even at the cost of the truth. Unfortunately his blindness doesn't allow him to see a threat even when it's ready to punch him in the mouth.
Give me a muslim any day, at least they are more honest an individual than this profile of a loser.
King: OK, you win. I am a Muslim.
I knew it. I do admit that there are leftists who hate Christianity, but the defense of islam along with that hate is telling.
OK, Crusader. You've managed to spiral down into grade school behavior, eh? I'll consider this another feather in my cap since you've pretty much exposed your lack of integrity by calling names. Verywell...
While we're on the topic of integrity, let us also not forget your little "'stan" comment in the other thread. You are so eager to pin the tail on the Muslim, that you erroneously labeled countries ending in 'stan as inherently Islamic. Thanks to Vikrant for pointing out your stupidity. I think the irony here shoudl teach you a lesson - all is not what it appears in your myopic mind.
Oh, yes - Hindustan is 100% Muslim. (Laughing out loud)
Carolyn2: "I knew it. I do admit that there are leftists who hate Christianity, but the defense of islam along with that hate is telling."
King: I surely hope you are jest. If you are STILL clinging to the hopes that I am a Muslim then you are as mad as the radical Islamists you hate.
My comments on Christianity are to demonstrate the blatant hypocrisy of those who consider themselves Christians while turning a blind eye to the blood on their own history - some of it rather recent. Christianity was spread violently and nearly caused the extinction of many indiginous peoples in South and Central America. Christians also took part in the slave trade. Radical Christians burned crosses in the Southern US in the 50's and 60's to scare Blacks. They also terrorized and lynched innocent people. You've obviously missed the point. Then again, you are convinced that I am Muslim so that should tell me what I am dealing with.
Yet another "Dhimmiwatcher" rises to the occasion!
You see no problem with islam, but call Christianity bloody. You show undeserved respect for islam, you are a muslim. If you are not a muslim you must have a real disconnect in your thinking process.
By the way, I am tired of the same arguments with KT. He is an apologist for the most wretched belief ever conceived by a human being.
Carolyn2 continues: "You see no problem with islam, but call Christianity bloody."
King: Being completely secular, I find many issues with all of the world's major religions. Many of these issues like spreading through violence, radicalism, corruption, etc. are easily seen in religions like Christianity and Islam alike. Ignoring this is being intellectually dishonest and causes a consdierable lack of integrity to your position. You've managed to filter out a lot of what I write as Christian bashing when in reality, I was trying to point out blatant hypocrisy.
Islam has a big problem in its militant, radical ranks. These people represent a scant minority of Muslims and I do not blame the entire religion for people who choose to be evil of their own free will.
I shall consider myself finished with you after this post, my newspaper is now frayed from bashing you over the head with it.
King T leaks through her diapie again, you should take some pics and email it to kj.
Now, what is so noble about a being a tolerant wimp? Do you think being tolerant is something to be proud of? Now I’m laughing my ass off at you, the fool. You silly misguided ridiculous fool.
Tell me fool, why not deport all muslims? There are so few of them no one would even miss them. Since the muslims are the ones doing the terrorism it seems to me to be the height of folly to allow them to remain to continue to do more of the same.
They do not produce or contribute enough to society to justify the risks of keeping them around. Tell me fool, why should they stay?
I don’t need your reply fool, I already know the answer.
Oww, hurt me. (That is sarcasm)
Why are decent post spaces being wasted on the likes of KingTolerence, who is nothing more than a muslim troll? Quite obvious that KingT. thinks nothing of (or doesn't recognize) the aggression meeted out by the prophet and its codification into a 'religion'.
Either this person has a not to untypical muslim mind set, or is a wind-up merchant, either way this person is a waste of finger tapping.
JV
Cross queried: "Now, what is so noble about a being a tolerant wimp?"
King: For starters, it keeps the peace.
Cross: "Do you think being tolerant is something to be proud of?"
King: Yes. I do.
Cross: "Now I’m laughing my ass off at you, the fool. You silly misguided ridiculous fool."
King: Er, um. OK. So far, lots of questions and comments from you and no point...
Cross: "Tell me fool, why not deport all muslims?"
King: Oh - you mean like Hitler did with the Jews in WWII?
Cross: "Since the muslims are the ones doing the terrorism it seems to me to be the height of folly to allow them to remain to continue to do more of the same."
King: It is also the height of folly to paint with a broad brush as you seem to be good at doing. I am still waiting for your intellect to come pouring through. No dice so far...
Cross: "They do not produce or contribute enough to society to justify the risks of keeping them around."
King: Try typing this in German - it will look better.
Cross: "Tell me fool, why should they stay?
I don’t need your reply fool, I already know the answer."
King: OK, so you go schizophrenic on me here. Moreover, you've used the word "fool" four times and have yet to make one point.
It's time to declare Islam a terrorist ideology and outlaw it once and for all.
Sorry, KT. We Christians are very much aware of the evil in our own history. This self-critical streak goes all the way back to the Old Testament (read the books of Kings and the Prophets--to say nothing of the Pentateuch itself). The self critical streak is why Christian history is full of people like Francis of Assisi (Spelling help, please)and William WIlberforce. On the other hand, Islam still justifies slavery and misogyny-and the Left will do so soon, too, since it'll be the "multicultural" thing to do.
Cart out any pig you want and you-know-who is gonna try to put lipstick on it. It makes the pig more tolerable. I tolerate things I find obnoxious but innocuous. If it isn't innocuous, tolerance wears thin. I have a hard time with vapid and posturing too.
Islamic apologists are gonna use a lot of lipstick in the next few weeks -- get out the cold cream.
King T. is a twit, but a dangerous one.
Find the problem, and fix it, and islam will no longer produce islamists.....uhhuh,
how exactly do i 'fix' the fact that the person in whose footsteps any fervant moslem wants to step, was a thieving, sadistic, murdering piece of utter garbage.
Most moslems are indeed peaceful people, but the ideology, the instructions for hate and supremacy, slavery, murder and mutilation, ie how to follow in the footsteps of mohomed, peace be to those he murdered, are all in the quoran and hadiths.
And amongst every generation of moslems, in whatever country, are youthful enthusiasts who take the quoran and hadiths literally, and who will rain terror on their non muslim neighbors.
This is problem unique to islam. Christians have Christ, a fine role model as a 'perfect person', Jews don't have any one individual central to their story.
DBY queried: "how exactly do i 'fix' the fact that the person in whose footsteps any fervant moslem wants to step, was a thieving, sadistic, murdering piece of utter garbage."
King: I presume you mean "mohomed" here.
DBY: "amongst every generation of moslems, in whatever country, are youthful enthusiasts who take the quoran and hadiths literally"
King: We call these people 'radicals' and they learn their 'radicalism' from corrupt clerics who are allowed to run rough shot by equally corrupt governments.
DBY: "This is problem unique to islam."
King: No, this is a problem unique to many nations in which Islam is practiced. See my comment above.
DBY: "Christians have Christ, a fine role model as a 'perfect person', Jews don't have any one individual central to their story."
King: And you call me a 'twit.' You are now going to reduce yourself to the "My prophet is more perfect than yours."
As for Jews not having anyone "central to their story", how about Moses? Perhaps you should think before you spew forth? Oh, right - youy began your rant by calling me a dangerous twit. I think I've exposed the twit here. Mohomed indeed.
King:
Anyone who thinks Hitler merely "deported" Jews has no business calling anyone else a twit.
And yes, moral equivocators like you are dangerous, especially if you do draw them from the front of a classroom.
Posted by Kingky...“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)
You didn't answer the question kingky...is it because you dont know, or you want to keep it a secret...answer the question or go to your room...here it is again...
Just exactly what does the Quran mean by the word "justice"? Justice for who, or what, concerning what? What Islamic justice is worth turning against family and kin???
Posted by Kingky...“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)
You didn't answer the question kingky...is it because you dont know, or you want to keep it a secret...answer the question or go to your room...here it is again...
Just exactly what does the Quran mean by the word "justice"? Justice for who, or what, concerning what? What Islamic justice is worth turning against family and kin???