The great imam explains Islam for us: "Blair condemns bombers who 'act in name of Islam,'" from Reuters, with thanks to Sam:
LONDON, July 7 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair, condemning the London bombings that killed at least 33 people on Thursday, said: "We know that these people act in the name of Islam."In a statement from his London residence, a grim-faced Blair thanked The Muslim Council of Britain for roundly condemning the bombers who struck in the early morning rush hour.
"We know that these people act in the name of Islam but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims both here and abroad are decent and law abiding people who abhor this kind of terrorism every bit as much as we do," Blair said.
Good. Although I confess to being still puzzled as to how the New York Times, no less, however much it deserves the moniker "the New Duranty Times," reported as late as last January that the now-disbanded jihadist group Al-Muhajiroun was Britain's largest Muslim group.
But in any case, Blair must know what he's talking about, right? Therefore I trust we will be seeing Muslims in Britain in the coming days leading Scotland Yard to the hideouts and meeting places of jihadists in Britain. Should we expect anything less?
Greatly misunderstood, and therefore overrated, in this country, Blair soon after 9/11 was ostentatiously carrying a Qur'an around, telling one and all that he was reading, or had read, it, and that there was nothing worrisome about its contents. Whether he has discovered that the Hadith and Sira are equally inoffensive, and that the entire history of Muslim conquest has been one of almost uninterrupted sweetness and light, is unclear.
He and Bush, and most of the other leaders, and the members of respective parliamentary bodies, and the most important radio and television stations (including the BBC there and NPR here), and the major newspapers, are all determined not to study, not to think, and certainly not to instruct others, in the real nature of Islam.
And the danger is not an abstract one. The longer Infidels do not understand, the more likely it is that they will continue to permit Muslim immigration into their countries, instead of working round-the-clock to end such migration. The longer Infidels do not understand, the more likely it is that they will assume that the "murderous ideology" which Bush referred to today with his usual vaguness, can indeed be defeated by offering a counter-ideology of "compassion and hope."
Some of that new ideology of "compassion and hope" can be seen in Iraq today, in such places as Basra, where Shari'a rules are being established through force, in Iraq, our friend full of friendly Iraqis, where the Iraqi government has just signed an agreement for the training of some of those friendly Iraqis by no doubt equally friendly Iranians.
Everything begins with understanding the nature of the enemy, what prompts that enemy, what inspires or per contra demoralizes that enemy. If that is not understood, the nation will not know where to put its feet and hands. That's what Confucius say. And so do I.
Sheeeessh!
These folks'll never "get it", eh?
What's worse, their main political opponents seem even worse. Imagine a Boxer or Pelosi as Secy of State and you get the idea. I freakin' cant believe that this is the choice afforded us! Where are the Greert Wilders and Pim Fortuyns which Democracy should've produced by now in response to popular demand??
Just checked in on AIR AMERICA. Al Franken is doing an old story about some scandel in the Bush Administration. AIR AMERICA IS NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE LONDON TERRORIST ATTACK!
Something's wrong with this! Or is the LEFT so DHIMMIFIDE that they can't even see the disconnect?
One in nine Londoners are now muslim, according to a Met spokesman.
Isn't the closest that Blair has come, to date, to stating the obvious?
I saw that broadcast. This is obviously a tough day for him. He was indeed grim-faced.
He did acknowledge the role of Islam in this.
Now to get him to understand, and state, the extent of Islam's role.
Meanwhile, I too await news coverage of all those British Muslims leading Scotland Yard to Jihadist hideouts and meeting places.
"We know that these people act in the name of Islam but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims both here and abroad are decent and law abiding people who abhor this kind of terrorism every bit as much as we do," Blair said.
Yep, as usual its just a "few" extremists". That's why they can't catch Bin Laden, or topple the Peace Loving Clerics in Iran, or even catch the Clerics leading the War in Iraq, despite having all the technology in the world, while the "few terrorists" ride around on humble donkey's and hide in caves.
It is more than just a "few". Rather it is the other way round, that the majority of Muslims would be happy to see us all subjected to Islam, and only a few (the ones who haven't read Koran), want peace - as WE know it.
I wonder what restrictions on our freedoms, we in the US, Britian, and Australia, will now see, as new terror laws will be needed, when such laws could be avioded simply by saying,
"IT'S ISLAM - NOT GENERIC "TERROR""
But our government won't.
I wonder how many Muslims will take to the street in London, like they did against the Iraq war, to condem these attacks. Should we hold any bets?
I heard his speech, I just wanted to scream at the TV. I am amazed at the lengths that our politicians will go to to hide the truth from the uninformed population. We should put our printers to work, just print off Jihadwatch articles and leave them where you go, inside magazines in waiting rooms etc.
Looking for something to do.
It's time we suck it up and win this war.
See my comment in the thread below:
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Another Day That Will Go Down in Infamy!
The MSM is already reporting the doom and gloom and wringing their hands on how we are somehow at fault for this tragedy.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here.
Jihad-Watch readers you have at your fingertips the ability to spread the word to the free world. The LL and the MSM are failing to educate and report this message to the American people.
Here's an essay/commentary I wrote for the 4th of July on the GWOT re the serious threat we are facing in the GWOT from an enemy driven by an ideology of hate and evil (Posted at Roger L. Simon).
Our very way of life and what we hold dear is the antithesis of this ideology.
Link Here
And May God Bless America
[God of your choosing or not if you wish]
Aww.. How can he condemn the muzzies. He owes them for getting re-elected.
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
Hugh, it's not Infidels in general that are the problem -- it's LEFTISTS and their sociopolitical domination of the atmosphere.
I was just talking to Susan_b.
She's concerned about our UK friends, but can't get on-line for a few weeks. Has anyone heard from Rikki (borg destroyer)?
What's the bet Blair will now rush in "vilification" and anti "hate" laws? He must be tickled pink on the inside.
The 'tiny minority' of muslims who supports the terrorists:
"This is less surprising when one recalls that 40 percent of British Muslims surveyed in a Sunday Times poll after 9-11 believed Osama bin Laden was “justified” in his war against America. They even supported those of their coreligionists from Britain who volunteered to fight with the Taliban against the Western allies."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3109589,00.html
'Repudiating terrorism' is not the issue. Does the Muslim Council of Britain repudiate the Islamic obligation to seek to institute Sharia law in an Infidel soceity? Does the Muslim Council of Britain repudiate the Islamic obligation to 'fight in the way of Allah' to defend and spread the faith? Does the Muslim Council of Britain deny that Islamic fidelity and allegiance to Sharia law supercedes any allegiance promised to an Infidel state? Does the Muslim Council of Britain repudiate, denounce, deny, in the strongest terms, not the methodology, but the goals of the Islamic mujahedin, jihadists, who have indiscriminately murdered British citizens?
And finally, will the Muslim Council of Britain discuss openly the ideological implications of the fact that more than half of Muslims in Britain consider the so-called 'war on terror to be a 'war on Islam'?
In other words, will the Muslim Council of Britain directly discuss Islamic context and the causes and goals of those who are murdering Britons in the streets. Or does the Muslim Council of Britain really care about anything except defending the faith, just as the jihadists who have murdered innocent British citizens?
The Leftist pathology is so dominant, on so many levels from education to culture to politics to news media, that it will take perhaps 50 more terrorist catastrophes in the West, tragically, to finally galvanize the West to a rational response to Jihadism.
Imagine 50 more Madrids, 911s, Beslans, and Van Goghs in various Western cities: at that point, after hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths spread out among different cities and clustered closely in time (they can't occur too far apart in time given the feeble memory and dot-connecting capability of Leftists), the dominant Left will sluggishly scratch its head and begin to wonder, "hmmm, maybe there is something wrong with Islam itself... Let's commission a study and invite moderate Imams and Middle East professors to engage in a dialogue about this..."
Here are some helpful categories (with estimated percentages) for what we're up against in our own West:
1) irrational right-wingers (0.0000000000000000000002% of the total population of the West) -- one attack by Muslims occurs: and they want to attack all Muslims
2) irrational Leftists and their non-Leftist dupes who have breathed the PC atmosphere too long (over 80% of the total population of the West) -- 5000 attacks by Muslims in the name of Islam occur around the globe, including a dozen major ones in key places in the West: and they continue to say that Islam has nothing to do with this
3) rational people most of whom happen to lean to the Right (less than 20% of the total population of the West) -- a reasonable number of attacks by Muslims in the name of Islam occurring in various locales around the globe planned and executed by Muslims from various different countries leads them to the rational conclusion that there is a serious pathology in Islam itself that is nourishing this metastatic bout of global violence.
"We know that these people act in the name of Islam but we also know that the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims both here and abroad are decent and law abiding people who abhor this kind of terrorism every bit as much as we do,"
It is my suspicion that this is wishful thinking.
It is my suspicion that "the vast and overwhelming majority of Muslims both here and abroad" actually support and approve of this.
It is also my suspicion that arab governments clandestinely sponsor these groups.
Any "moderate" muslims that exist I believe to be the impotent minority.
Metaxy:
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Plato: The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions.
Latest news is that the driver of the bombed bus (when the top deck was blown off into a nearby office, said to be the most likely explosion perpetrated by a suicide bomber, or possibly a bomber on his way to the underground) has survived and is well enough to be giving information to the police. But at least 2 from the bus are dead.
Sorry, I misplaced a "Karet" sign. The preceding post should have read:
Metaxy: "Waaah! The leftists! Waaaah! They control the media! Waaah! They control the governemt! Waaah! They control our schools! Waaah! Waaah! Leftists! Leftists! They want to make all our kids GAY!!! The want to kick God out of America! Waaah! What's that on the news, another terror attack? YES! Now I can whine about the Leftists some more! Woo-hoo!--I mean, Waaah! The Leftists!
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Plato: The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions.
The following is a horrific fictional account of WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T GET OUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND:
Flash ahead 1 year or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or...:
Nuclear Terrorist Attack Strikes Miami
"Thanks to years of blind appeasement and denial with regards to the true source of Islamic Terrorism, today saw the culmination of our worst fears, as a mushroom cloud rose over the top of Miami Beach this morning...."
blablabla
England should put the video's on the air this evening of the muslims who say that England must turn to islam and everyone must be a muslim or get killed.
but nooo, suddenly they dont exist anymore
bah
this picture says it all
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/LordNagash/islam_wil_dominate_the_world.jpg
009.111 - 9/11/01
YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:
In other words, Kill for the glory of Allah!
They still won't get it.
It will not be long before the responsibility for London will be the fault of America and Israel. Within 4 days I'm guessing.
I've saved that photobucket picture.
And have sent it to Feinstein, Boxer, and my Congressman.
The picture says it all.
Well, I just heard from a friend in the UK.
One of her friends boyfriend's was maimed in the attacks.
And so it goes. Like 9/11 we are all going to be affected by this, one person at a time.
It's is the vileness of cowards and evil men that find solace in a cult like Islam that makes me realize that the world could be a much better place, if only we had the courage to act and remove the Islamic cancer from our midst.
Damn these terrorist scum to Hell.
PRCS, I was late in responding to your query. I left an address for you.
KJ, if you want to go on about Left-bashing, try clicking on the "comments" box under my posts at No Dhimmitude. You'll have to work harder at Horkheimer and Adorno than you do with Steven King novels. Your comments are welcome: http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/
Just Linda, please feel free to write to me as well.
Good to see you here again.
What a hard day this is.
I pose this to the british people. Many of you are asking yourselves how can we respond to this constructivly? I say this how would your forefathers have reacted? It is thier lineage thier culture, creed and language which has made britain great. Ask yourself this. How would they expect you to respond? Europe is about to be over run you have been paralysed by your own liveral dogma, which has been exploited as weakness by a ruthless enemy. Remember your history your culture it is what will see you through if you do not you will cease to be Englishmen you will disapear, morphed into something else. France is falling the count is between 30 thousand and 50 thousand french a year are converting to Islam. My prayers are with all of you America stands with you your ally your friend forever. For god and country never bow.
sonofwalker,
No. My fault. I received your messages but failed to respond.
I did access your site the other day, but did not post.
I'll touch base with you at your site near future.
Thanks.
KJ:
Your ability to waste opportunities to keep your trap shut is amazing. Can't you stop being a partisan idiot just for one day? Or do you have to prove to the universe than to get in what you imagine to be the last word against conservatives is more important than standing back for one moment in front of the crimes of our common enemy?
Don't bother to answer. It is a rhetorical question.
Hugh,
Blair has stated publicaly post 9-11, that he found the qur'an "inspiring". Could he be the first British PM that has been inspired a dogma that calls for the subdugation and eventual extermination of his county's values and way of life!
Not so shocking when one looks at the implications of him stating the truth. Post 9-11 on BBC question time a gov. minister stated that a we can't go to war on islam, if we do "we lose". So why can't we privately go to war on islam?
(What opportunities the G8 has given us and missed: - more aid to Africa, but also a sly redistribution of aid i.e. less to Egypt, more to Lesotho, Zaire etc, just saving Africa you can't argue with that? Global warming - we need to lessen our reliance on CO2 emitters - more on nuclear, hydro, etc. All in the name of saving the planet, nothing to do with islam. You can't complain about that if you were a demented leftist radical or an islamist sympathiser, they probably would even notice!)
On a more sombre note, Blair's speech reminds me of the actions of some (a minority thankfully, think of the film, White Mischief) of Britain's elite during WW2. They fled to Kenya and other parts of the empire with their money, sitting the war out. Utimatley Blair's policy vis-a-vis Islam and it's 'reformation' (are they still unaware that it's dogmatically unreformable and needs to be on an intellectual plane, confronted?) is basically you JW and DWers fight this thing. You risk gettting your throats cut if you want to save your 'culture' (I say humanity, not 'culture'), not me - trade with the MENA region is too important, and I want to save from more attacks by not upsetting them any more, blah, blah, blah...
Just one message Mr. Blair,- either you are with us or you are against us.
JV
Maybe Blair is reading his Koran right now to get passages of peace and love and strength (you know like the Psalms) in these hard times.
He's probably being inspired right now by the 110 or so war verses in the Koran about killing infidels, and the lack of “love your neighbor” or “love your enemy”.
Maybe he should get his wife to handle the situation, like the real man he his, after all she seems to have a soft spot for the suicide bombers (remember her comments about suicide bombers in Israel).
Like I said after 9/11 and Bali, I hope the (mostly) ignorant victims of this atrocity, wake up and sue the government, both at the public and private level, for allowing in Muslims immigrants and the misery they have caused. The pollies on both sides who have allowed this to continue are guilty of treason (if that still exists under “all roads lead to heaven Multi-culturalism’)
I saw in DW that the top Pommy police officer wants more Muslims in his London police force, this bombing should really get the Muslims in now. Just think, they can get into the police, and let off bombs everywhere, and arrest some Bible basher , or Hindu as the culprit, while at the same time making Islam look good. I hope the guy now loses his job.
We should all write letters to the local papers ASAP - the more the better, it will help counter the expected "Islam is Peaceful" brigade that we will no doubt see (as is already happening).
I have found that even Lefty newspapers are more friendly to printing anti-Islam letters at such times as these. And you would be surprised at how many peole prefer reading the letters to the editor, rather than reading the spew in the editorial on the same page.
Write a letter now and email it off to ALL the newspapers in your area.
I Thank Ethoman for his posting and agree with the text of his message.
Today is indeed a dark day for England and London.
Once again the apethy and pc of our poloticians as served to allow a deadly and determined enemy to strike a blow in the name of islam. Todays slaughter of inocents is the reward for years of domination by the liberalist lobby. When will englishmen wake up and see the truth.
Our political parties,government,judicial system and police force have all been infiltrated by islam. We no longer have control of our political future. Laws are already in place making it impossible to have the luxury of free speach,one word out of place and off to jail you go,labled a racist or purveyor of racial hatred !
Yes ethoman , I well know what my ancestors would have done but the war is almost over,the enemy have been amongst us for years and they are well entrenched. Wake up England !! For Gods sake, wake up !
Foehammer:
Your fictional headline is too fictional. A more plausible version would be the following:
Nuclear Terrorist Attack Strikes Miami
"Today saw the culmination of our worst fears, as a mushroom cloud rose over the top of Miami Beach this morning and an estimated 2 million have perished and thousands more are injured and sick from radiation, and all indications point to a tiny minority of extremists who have hijacked their religion because of understandable grievances against American Imperialism and Zionist apartheid against the Palestinian people. We asked a local Imam in Tallahassee, who insists that most Muslim people are peaceful and law-abiding, and he expresses his profound condolences for the American people but warns against a potential backlash of Islamophobic violence...."
kj,
Plato is identifying and criticizing members of a sociopolitical category, which he terms "partisan". I am doing the same, only I call them "Leftists".
So what are we going to do about these fanatic murderers? 1 in 9 Londoners are Muslims according to the met office! I had no idea there were so many of them down there. It beggars belief.
If a ninth of the 7,465,100 people in London (829,456) are Muslims, you have to then ask yourself, just what percentage of these are wacked out psychos, prepared to blow themselves and the rest of London to kingdom come in the name of Islam?
We've all seen the video clips. We know what they preach in these UK mosques. Go on then, hazard a guess. Are 2% of London Muslims sympathetic to Al Qadar? Even if it's as little as 1% then we'd have 8,295 of them down there!
So what are we going to do about them??
UPDATE on the backlash of Islamophobic violence in the wake of the nuclear attack against Miami:
CAIR announced that someone threw a bucket of red paint on the front door of a mosque in Pensacola; in Tampa, a Koran was found on the floor of a local Barnes & Noble bookstore; and in Orlando, it was reported that a woman threw a half-empty container of a strawberry milkshake at a car driven by a man wearing a turban... CAIR spokesperson Kenneth ibn al-Khattab issued a dire prediction that terrible chaos will ensue unless the authorities divert their attention from the aftermath of the nuclear exlosion and step in to protect Muslims, and the Governor of Florida responded with a public televised apology and promise to help in any way he can..."
judge and drury:
"just what percentage of these are wacked out psychos...?"
The problem is that we cannot discern which are nice pleasant Muslims and which are the wacked out psychos. Superficial smiles and protestations of being moderate Muslims are not sufficient data.
In such a situation, the rational course is to treat them all as potential terrorists, according to a reasonable gradation:
1) the entire population of Muslims must be surveilled with intense and invasive scrutiny, including the 24/7 presence of armed guards and intelligence agents in every mosque, Muslim school and Muslim organization, as well as random searches of Muslim neighborhoods;
2) subcategories about which we have minimal intelligence concerning suspicious activities are to be arrested and interrogated;
3) further sub-subcategories about which we have solid intelligence concerning terrorist links are to be more aggressively arrested, interrogated, incarcerated indefinitely and/or deported.
The rational course, of course, will not be pursued, even after 50 more bombings in London, due to the Leftist pathology that has conquered the modern West.
this picture says it all
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/LordNagash/islam_wil_dominate_the_world.jpg
more info about that picture
it was made in England...............
metaxy,
Good story. Grimly funny. And so likely, too.
A bit like the 911 'Qur'an on the porch' emergency in Nashville.
Force them to convert away from Islam & BURN all Korans, or leave the country! That will work. The fanatics will try to evade any action. The decent ones will gladly curse Islam and leave Satan behind.
Ken Livingstone has made out that this has nothing to do with any religion or faith or even a perversion of a religion or faith. He seems to imply that this has been done to prevent immigrants from coming to live in London.
THIS MAN IS A TRAITOR.
Paolo writes:KJ:
Your ability to waste opportunities to keep your trap shut is amazing. Can't you stop being a partisan idiot just for one day? Or do you have to prove to the universe than to get in what you imagine to be the last word against conservatives is more important than standing back for one moment in front of the crimes of our common enemy?
Don't bother to answer. It is a rhetorical question.
Funny, metaxy made several posts that were incredibly partisan.
Let me guess... you're his butt buddy right?
Crusher
Paolo needs no defense from me as he does quite well for himself but...he said partisan idiot, not partisan, big difference.
Butt buddy? mmm I'm guessing you would know more about those than most but listen I don't think your love life is anybody's business.
metaxy:
I like your versions even more. Variations on a theme, but too bad it all ends up in the same place: international leaders of the West never call a spade a spade when it comes to this conflict. I'm really starting to wonder what this is all about.
I'll say it again: Thank God the Nazis and the Communists were never smart enough to turn their political doctrines into religions, because apparently it is the path to world domination to hide behing theocracies.
Tony Blair's comments will definitely help him to consolidate the Muslim votebank that overwhelming votes Labour. Blair's party counts heavily on the Muslim community to maintain a hold on many seats where it's losing a grip on the white middle class.
In order to further strengthen the party's hold in these areas, Blair has maintained Britain's very lax refugee policy, which essentially helps tens of thousands of fake refugees from North Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan, and Bangladesh to remain in the country. In addition to Muslims, the refugee system also allows in thousands of fake Sikh refugees from the Punjab in India.
Labour's strategy has been copied or is mirrored in many other European countries and in Canada.
The Air India bombing of 1985 by Sikh terrorists, which killed all 329 people on board, did not prompt the Canadian government to tighten its scrutiny of refugee claimants. In fact, the number of refugees admitted into the country continues to increase every year. Even the Sikh community, which generally supports terrorism against Hindus, has seen a surge of new refugees entering Canada.
As in Canada, it is too late to stop the tide of fake refugees entering the UK. The Muslim and Sikh communities are extremely influential. And any hint that immigration policies might be strengthened will lead to calls of racism and political blackmail.
Its a trap that we've fallen into because the political parties behave in their best interest and not in the best interest of the people they serve.
Even if only a small percentage of Muslims support terrorism against the "infidels", the sheer number of immigrants would argue that terrorism is here to stay.
Perhaps now we will begin to understand the terror that so many around the globe face on a daily basis.