Yet we are still expected to believe that political concessions will redress the grievances of people like Shehzad Tanweer, and that the bombers just "happen to be Muslims," as if their religion, as central to their actions as it was, was actually as incidental to those actions as was Tanweer's enthusiasm for cricket and ju-jitsu.
"The London bombers," from the TimesOnline, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
SHEHZAD TANWEER, ALDGATEHe may have been a good-looking, sporty lad with a lean physique and fashionably dyed hair but Shehzad Tanweer had no interest in chasing girls and was happier devoting his spare time to prayers.
In the past six months the 22-year-old suicide bomber had travelled to Pakistan and Afghanistan, bringing him into contact with al-Qaeda trainers and propagandists. In his final months, the cricket and ju-jitsu enthusiast, nicknamed “Khaka”, was said to have turned into a quiet loner, always politely eschewing company by saying he was on his way to a mosque or a prayer meeting....
Shehzad never expressed an interest in politics but was a devout Muslim. Saj, a friend bearing an Arabic-script tattoo on his arm, said Shehzad “was a quiet lad, religious. He used to go to every mosque in Beeston and there are loads of mosques around here.”
Mahmood Khan, who worked in the chip shop, South Leeds Fisheries, said: “Shehzad was very religious. He used to go to the mosque a lot. He didn’t like girls. He didn’t have many friends but he was a nice, quiet person.”...
MOHAMMAD SIDIQUE KHAN, EDGWARE ROAD
Mohammad Sidique Khan had a trusted job as a primary school teaching assistant working with children from poor and vulnerable families arriving in Britain.
Khan, 30, who ran an Islamic bookshop, was employed as a “learning mentor” in an inner-city district with a high proportion of asylum-seekers, homeless families and battered wives....
Khan moved to a council house in Lees Holm, Thornhill, Dewsbury, six months ago and became a liaison officer in another local school. His wife, Hasini Patel, is said to have held anti-Taleban, pro-women views at odds with her husband’s version of Islam. She also worked in education as a “neighbourhood enrichment officer”. They had a baby daughter in May last year. But the pressure on their marriage was too strong and the couple were said to have separated....
They separated, but most moderate Muslims have not separated from jihadists, as I have pointed out many times. Witness Khan's own in-laws:
The Patels were known opponents of Muslim extremism and supporters of women’s rights. They have been devastated to learn of Khan’s role.Khan, born in Leeds, has never been seen in the local Daulim Mosque in Dewsbury and his fanatical religious views have come as a surprise in the locality.
HASIB HUSSAIN, No. 30 BUS
The youngest suicide bomber was sent to his family’s native Pakistan after becoming a troublesome teenager. Hasib Hussain returned a disciplined, chastened young man.
Hussain 18, came from a respectable household in a back-to-back terrace. But he faced a bleak future when his school withdrew him from all GCSE examinations after he went through what was said to be a disruptive stage.
Religion inspired his change of heart. He made the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca as well as visiting Pakistan. Police will be trying to discover whether Hussain, who blew himself to pieces along with 12 passengers on the No 30 bus in Tavistock Square, adopted his radical views at home or abroad.
Neighbours in the Leeds inner-city community of Holbeck, a poor area behind the central business district by-passed by motorways and fly-overs, were stunned yesterday by the news that he had made the transformation into a suicide bomber.
"...never expressed an interest in politics but was a devout Muslim."
That pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
There is no line between politics and Islam. This most basic truth about Islam -- how can it not be understood by so many in the West?
Theocracy = Religious State
Islam has no place in a Free World. Not in its current and still ancient form, that much is certain.
Can it reform? Is there time to hope it does? What after the next brutal attacks and the ones after those -- will it have reformed.
I'm sorry, folks, but the time for trying to be nice guys is over. Time to protect our children, our futures and our nations.
Islam is the Enemy.
I have wondered lately if these suicide bombers are not homosexuals who see no way out for them in Islam. They frequently have no interest in girls or are "soft" spoken. Often they just got married or have a baby on the way. Many hidden homosexuals would feel desperate after having gotten married or having a baby on the way and with ultimate pressure from family maybe this is their only way in their minds. Re-read the article with this in mind and you may agree.
that should read "not just hidden homosexuals"
Borg, actually that thought crossed my mind as well.
Doesn't anybody out there get the fact that all these bombers became religious shortly before they killed scores of people?
There is an elementary concept in statistics called correlation. You observe two phenomena and take notes. When more of "A" happens we see more of "B". Less of A and less of B. If this is observed then we say that A and B are correlated. Because the observations of A and B are simultaneous we cannot say that A causes B or that B causes A. We can only say that they happen together.
Add the additional element of time, however and a causal relationship can be flushed out into the open. Let's say that we observe A at some point in time. At a later time we observe B. Let us now suppose that we see more A and then later more B. Less A and then later less B. With these observations we can say that A causes B.
The point is that we are truly drowning in data that demonstrates without any doubt that more Islam causes more violence, whether at the individual level or at the society level. We have more than 13 centuries of proof. Islam causes violence. More Islam yields more death, more suffering, more pain, more misery, more poverty, more war, less food, less art, less music, less science, less freedom, less peace, and more hate.
It's all just dispassionate, objective math.
Too many people in the Western world are unable to mind their P's and Q's, as in "If P, then Q."
But let's mind our P's and Q's. Mind them very much.
Hulegu Khan:
Spot on. Islam worships DEATH. Should any of us be surprised that where it reigns, there will be so much less value for LIFE?
We nurse the vipers in the wombs of our Western Nations. We are as much to blame as Islamists are, because we should know better.
This is definitely no time to listen to fools and cowards in our governments. Keep spreading the truth to your neighbors. Eventually the word will settle into their brains and take hold.
Don't forget: Winston Churchill was laughed and scoffed at in Parliament for months and months before the awful reality surrounding Nazi Germany finally landed in the laps of European leaders and they could no longer ignore the truths that Winston had been speaking all along.
History repeats itself.
"but most moderate Muslims have not separated from jihadists, as I have pointed out many times."
- from Robert's comment
There is a nice confirmation of this from Islamists themselves in this Muslim protest against the British Infidel's evil attempt to divide Islam into "moderate" and "extremist" branches. See, "true Islam" makes no such difference... From 1924.org:
http://www.1924.org/opinion/index.php?id=1995_0_34_0_C
See also the related story,
"Leaked British Government Dossier Exposes Plans to Subvert Islam" - "subverting Islam" is, again, the attempt to make a distinction between the moderate and extremist versions of Islam and support the "moderate" (that is, watered down) version:
http://www.1924.org/opinion/index.php?id=2002_0_34_0_C
Got to hand one to the muslims.
The muslims have so thoroughly brainwashed the British authorities that the latter are now parroting, like muslim spokesmen, that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. The British authorities will launch a search for the cause of this terrorism, and will allow it to be anything except Islam. Islam is exempted, a priori, as a possible cause!
This has to be one of the greatest victories in the history of jihadi deception -- successfully getting the leaders of the infidel nation to voluntarily blind themselves to their greatest threat; to dismiss outright, the threat itself, right after it has slaughtered their civilians before their eyes.
The muslims must be laughing their heads off at how insanely imbecilic the British authorities must be. Because Islam IS the root cause of this terrorism.
Nothing else.
Quote from Hugh's posting:
But let's mind our P's and Q's. Mind them very much.
Arabic doesnt have sound of P does it???
Ummagumma,
I believe it was the radar operator's boss who made that assumption.
"Don't worry, it's just a flight of B-17's in from California."
And such thinking persists today.
As Hugh suggested (perhaps others,too) that Prince Charles, the London police higher-ups, and all the rest, who are not Muslims, continue to shout, in defiance of the facts, "This has nothing to do with Islam. Trust us."
But the radar operators, the grunts, the average citizens, know better.
And the Val, and Judy, and Zeke pilots press on toward their destination.
DENIAL:
Hear no Terrorist....
See no Terrorists .....
Speak no Terrorists......
Some info (obit) on George Elliot, the radar operator:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/12/24/news/story6.html
FUNNY HOW WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE KILLER AND THEIR FRIENDS ???? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE KILLERS VICTIM SEAMS DEMEMTED DON'T IT??
http://www.usconstitution.com/FarewellAddressPresidentGeorgeWashington.htm
As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.
Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence
is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.
The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connexion as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.
Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence,
therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people, under an efficient government, the period is not far off, when we may defy material injury from
external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality, we may at any time resolve upon, to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?
It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity
to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.
Taking care always to keep ourselves, by suitable establishments, on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.
Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing, with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them, conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances
shall dictate; constantly keeping in view, that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard.
In offering to you, my countrymen, these counsels of an old and affectionate friend, I dare not hope they will make the strong and lasting impression I could wish; that they will control the usual current of the
passions, or prevent our nation from running the course, which has hitherto marked the destiny of nations. But, if I may even flatter myself, that they may be productive of some partial benefit, some occasional good; that they may now and then recur to moderate the fury of party spirit, to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism; this hope will be a full recompense for the solicitude for your welfare, by which they have been dictated.
I SEE THIS IS GO KICK ASS AND WATCH YOUR BACK 9/11/2005 HAPPENED WE WERE ATTACKED BY MEN WHO HAVE DECLAIRED WAR ON THE USA!!!
HAVE OUR FORFATHERS EVER STOPPED IN THE FIGHT FOR THE SAFTY AND FREEDOM FOR THE USA WE WOULD NOT BE WHAT WE ARE TODAY AND HE WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO WOULD HAVE LOYLITY TO OTHERS BEWARE!!!
THINK SORCES IS AN AMERICAN?? THE COURTS ARE NOW RULEING TO EUROPEN LAW THE LIB SIDE OF THE COURT AND HAVE EVEN GOT THE LIB SIDE TELLING THE USA WE HAVE NO CONTROLE OF THE ENEMIES OF THIS COUNTRY THAT SOME FORIEGEN LAWYER HAS MORE POWER AND NOW THEY CAN TAKE YOUR LAND??
WE HAVE LEFT OUR ROOTS FROM THE SHIELD OF THE GOD WHO BROUGHT THE CHILDREN OUT OF BONDAGE IN EGYPT!!! EUROPE HAS AWAKENED TO FIND THEMSELVES DEFENCELESS NO GUNS AND THE MONSTERS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING NEXT DOOR!!!!
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT LOSE FAITH BUT THE LEADERS HAVE???
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED IN NOV FOR THE PROTECTION OF THIS COUNTRY TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE AND THE AFGHANASTIN PEOPLE AND KILL THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST WHO THREATEN THIS COUNTRY!! IN THIS VOTE THEY VOTED ALSO FOR THE LAWS OF THIS LAND TO STAND NOT BE CHANGED AS THEY ARE NOW BEING DONE THEY VOTED AND GAVE THE CONGRESS THE POWER TO SAVE THEM AND THE CONSTUTION FROM THE COURTS TO STOP THE MADNESS!!
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WANTING THE LEADERS TO PORTECT THE BORDERS FROM THIS INVASION AND THE LIBS!!!
NOW WILL THE LEADERS CONGRESS AND THE SENATE DO THEIR JOBS AND WILL THE COURTS DO THEIR JOBS AND STOP MAKING UP LAWS AND RULING ON EUROPEN LAW WE AINT EUROPAEN THANK GOD!!!
REMEMBER
There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in
Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be
encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM AMEN
Yes.
The question is:
What is the most effective way of getting our message to our elected officials?
To date, I have received responses to my emails from New Zealand and the UK. But not one, from my own elected officials.
I'm afraid that another serious attack on our soil is the only thing that will clue them in to our open borders problem and to Islam's true global intent.
And even then, they will be unable to meet the problem head on.
The Muslim community needs to ask itself what will be worse for them: profiling now, or internment after the next attack?
Where,oh where, are the reprisals for 7/7 and this continuing daily madness? The response? The retaliation?
None from The White House.
None from 10 Downing Street.
None from the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives.
None from the House of Commons.
Nothing. No outrage. No demands for action.
Do I detect a pattern here? This looks oddly similar to the U.S. reaction to border security and illegal immigration.
?
We the people are up a creek with a very short paddle...