From ZeeNews, with thanks to Romy.
London, July 17, The uncle of Shahzad Tanweer, one of the four London bomb suspects, has defended his nephew's actions as a desperate "sacrifice" in an interview with the British tabloid newspaper 'The News of thee World'."These suicide bombers are desperate people," Bashir Ahmed told the Sunday Paper. "They are not getting their rights. They can see that their brothers are not getting their rights, so they take extreme action."
"This lad has made a name for himself in the world. Muslims call it a sacrifice, the Europeans call him a terrorist," he was quoted as saying.
Tanweer's uncle laid the blame for the rush-hour attacks on London's transport network at the feet of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush, warning, "there will be more".
Citing US policy in Iraq and the Middle East, as well as its treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay base in Cuba, Ahmed told the paper that western disregard for the rights of Muslims was driving young men to violence.
"Britain and America are saying that they will defeat terrorism. I am saying that terrorism can be finished in one second," he said.
"Why can't Blair and Bush apologise for the way they have abused the human rights of Muslims. They should apologise. They should stop these injustices."...
I thought that he said that he couldn't believe that his nephew could do such a thing.
Now not only can he do such a thing, his uncle is saying that it was the right thing to do.
Gasp....I can't believe he would do such a thing. Two weeks go by - But I can realte to his reasons.
Moose
If your nephew was desperate, why didn't you help him? You blame Bush and Blair for what your nephew did, but you knew him personally and did nothing.
While randomly playing MP3s, I came across an old favorite that has an entirely new meaning now. I think it gives voice to the way most westerners feel - and puts words to why many of us have been slow to take up arms against Islamikazies.
"Lock and Key" by Rush:
...
Don't want to silence a desperate voice
For the sake of security
No one wants to make a terrible choice
On the price of being free
I don't want to face the killer instinct
Face it in you or me
So we keep it under lock and key
It's not a matter of mercy
It's not a matter of laws
Plenty of people will kill you
For some fanatical cause
It's not a matter of conscience
A search for probable cause
It's just a matter of instinct
A matter of fatal flaws
..
We don't want to be victims
On that we all agree
So we lock up the killer instinct
And throw away the key
In other words, we make the mistake that simply locking up the would-be-terrorists is the moral thing to do. Killers are killers, and demand that harsh justice be dealt.
So Muslims in Britain are not getting their "rights". Please will someone tell me what "rights" have been denied! Sorry if our overseas policies upset them, but that is life. Most of us have to endure these things, but at least we have the freedom to protest, or discuss the issues.
Christians in Islamic countries are being tortured and killed simply for their beliefs. Should Christians then retaliate by blowing up innocent citizens going about their lawful business?
For what should Bush and Blair apologise?
What in the name of all good that exists is wrong with these peanut minded people?
"There will be more" - seems to me that 'Uncle Bash' knew more that he let on.
I think I have finally worked out what the Muslims mean when they talk about us in the West abusing their human rights and apply injustice against the Muslims. I was bemused because I really could not understand it.
Its because we the infidel are:
Richer then them
Smarter then them
Have built better socities
Have better looking women
Have better food and drink
That we have our own man made laws and not Sharia
That we don't bow the knee to Allah
That we kill their holy warriors in battle and then treat their wounds when the fighting has ended
That we won't let them take our women
That we won't let them take over our countries
That we won't let them steal all our goods
That Israel and Spain dared to take back their own land
That we are stopping Muslims killing each other
As Gods self-declared people they have the self-declared god given right to do anything they want with the infidel and it is huge injustice and against their Islamic human rights that they can not, as they are the masters of all as laid down by Allah.
So everytime I hear the words Muslims human rights and injustice I will use the above thought process.
By the way I would just love it if the Western world suddenly confiscated all Saudi Arabian assets in the West, especially all that real estate which is used to spread hate.
Are Blair and the other mendacious "religion of peace", "small band of extremists", "perversion of a noble faith" politicos finally ready to take off their ideological blinders and listen to this man? For the uncle is openly admitting what we've known and been saying here all along- that Muslims care more about Muslims from other countries half away around the world whom they've never met and whose languages they can't even speak than for the infidel-ruled countries in which they just happen to live, as shown by these British-born Pakistani Muslims killing fellow British citizens for the sake of Muslims in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Chechnya, or wherever Islam is currently being "oppressed" and "humiliated" by the infidels. In short this man admits Muslims (and forget the distinction of whether they're bomb-throwers or "moderates") cannot ever become loyal citizens of a Western-style nation-state, and we must redesign our immigration and naturalization policies to reflect this reality.
Strange how they don't seem to get upset when it is Muslim killing Muslim like all the thousands upon thousands of black Muslims being slaughtered in the Sudan.
As long as Muslims make excuses for them, or excuse them for any reason whatsoever, it only further enables this behavior in others.
By blaiming this type of thing on the nebulous injustices suffered by others they seek to shift responsiblity of their actions from themselves to people who actually have no control over them.
It gives me a headache reading about this sort of thing. You just want to shake somebody like that.
f.g.
What Voltaire has recalled in the first posting above, is very important. Two weeks ago this physically presentable uncle was shown expressing complete and utter shock, disbelief, at what his nephew did. He was, of course, saying what he thought he had to say in case the Infidels displayed anything like the reaction that Muslims always worry about, since pogroms and mass murder would come naturally to them, had Infidels done the same thing in a Muslim country (just imagine that for a minute).
Two weeks passed. Nothing happened. No attacks, nothing, save for a brick or two thrown at a single mosque. And so, upon reflection, he realized he could speak his mind, that previously he had, in good kitman-and-taqiyya fashion, he had refused to do, but uttered lies. Now he tells the truth; he insists that his nephew, and all Muslims, are the ones being put upon, "not getting their rights." What this would mean in Iraq, presumably, is having the Infidels get out, no matter what then happens. He fails to recognize the great act of beneficence performed by the removal of Saddam Hussein. Well, as far as Iraq goes, let's oblige him and so many of the non-Iraqi Muslims -- let us give "Iraqis" full freedom to deal, in good Muslim fashion, with their own internal problems.
As for "Palestine" we know what he means. He means that the Infidel state of Israel has no right to exist, that the re-established Jewish commonwealth (described by the late Indro Montanelli, the most important figure in Italian journalism ever, as "the most important good thing, perhaps the only good thing, to have come out of the twentieth century") is illegitimate, becuase of course it was once controlled by Muslims, and therefore must always be so. It is as if Germans today insisted that all the lands held by the Third Reich at the highwater mark of its conquests must forever and eternally be part of the German Reich.
But Islam is even worse. For while Isarel, and Spain ("Al-Andaluz" is the Arab name not for Andalucia, but for all of Spain, a name one sees on streets all over the Arab world -- why, the American consulate in Jeddah, or is it Riyadh, squats on the corner of Palestine Street and Andaluz Street -- one wonders if the American diplomats inside ever ponder the significance of those street names), have pride of place, as far as they were once part of dar al-Islam, the whole world in the end has to submit to Islam, and it is a non-negotiable, eternal duty of all Muslims -- to conduct Jihad, whether through combat (qital), or the "wealth" weapon, or propaganda (the instrument of "pen and tongue") or demographic conquest (the newest weapon, one not predicted in the earliest commentaries) -- so that Islam covers the globe.
That is what this smiler with the knyf under the cloke (Tradimento, Treason, in Chaucer's version of Boccaccio's original) means when he talks of Muslim anger at the way Muslims are not getting what they deserve.
This needs to be clearly kept in mind. That is the anger, that the frustration.
"...or demographic conquest (the newest weapon, one not predicted in the earliest commentaries)..."
When the earth was flat, and no mortal Muslim, or even Allah, had ever met a Mayan.
Their small world.
"There will be more."
This Islamic aliens need to be dealt with immediately. Detain, Deport and Bomb...all of them. There is no such thing as a good Muslim; one cannot be good and Muslim at the same time. Some good "Muslims" are good because they ignore the Koran. In other words, they are infidels to devout Muslims. This is a clash of civilizations. The sooner we recognize this basic fact the better.
Word to President Bush and all politicians:
The political will is growing to destroy these Islamic zombies. I, and many others, already are comfortable with the detention and deportation of all Muslims in the West. If this causes more problems, so be it. Future attacks from these zombies will result in the destruction of population centers and religious sites. These animals can NEVER be trusted.
"These suicide bombers are desperate people," Bashir Ahmed told the Sunday Paper. "They are not getting their rights. They can see that their brothers are not getting their rights, so they take extreme action."
Why is it that other ethnic groups have been able to grow and succeed in other countries. I'm so tired of hearing the constant whining of Muslims who can't seem to make it here or there then blame everybody except where the blame should be. There is no better time in the worlds history, in the West, to be a minority. Everything is practically handed to you. When my grandparents came from Europe to America they had to teach themselves English and find their own way. There was no bitching - just hard work - and they carved a place out for themselves like so many have done before them. One thing I can say is my grandparents always knew they were American first and Italian/Hungarian second.
It always comes down to Islam. What a detractor.
If the kid and the Uncle are so concerned about civil rights, their home country or Saudi Arabia or the Sudan would be the first places to start.
Mike has a Rush song in mind. While I don't recall hearing the song before, it seems to indeed speak to the situation. Rather than a pro death-penalty song, I think it is a song that expresses discomfort with pacificism.
The song points out that we have suppressed our own killer instincts because we don't want to live in a society of killers. The contract is that both you and I put away our guns and that way neither of us gets killed. The problem is what happens when a society of killers infiltrates ours, suddenly our very ability to fight has been locked away and we are defenseless. That's the message I take away from the song.Hugh wrote.. But Islam is even worse. For while Isarel, and Spain ("Al-Andaluz" is the Arab name not for Andalucia, but for all of Spain, a name one sees on streets all over the Arab world -- why, the American consulate in Jeddah, or is it Riyadh, squats on the corner of Palestine Street and Andaluz Street -- one wonders if the American diplomats inside ever ponder the significance of those street names), have pride of place, as far as they were once part of dar al-Islam, the whole world in the end has to submit to Islam, and it is a non-negotiable, eternal duty of all Muslims -- to conduct Jihad, whether through combat (qital), or the "wealth" weapon, or propaganda (the instrument of "pen and tongue") or demographic conquest (the newest weapon, one not predicted in the earliest commentaries) -- so that Islam covers the globe. ..
Regarding Andaluz St. I doubt if ANYONE in our foreign embassy has a clue.
The reason demographic conquest was not an original jihad tactic is everyone had large families until the West'w wealth and technology (birth control, abortion) dramatically changed that equation. They saw that one coming and have made it as important as the sword, taqiyya and wealth. Within 30 years, Europe will be majority Islam, oh sure, bombs, taqiyya and wealth will play a role, but demographics through breeding is the ultimate bomb. Look at Iran. The Ayatollah said 'breed, breed', now look what it has wrought. A largely unemployed population bulge of young people who are very unhappy with their financial and career position. Yet, the 'youth revolution' died on the vine. They cling to Islam and blame, who else, the West. Posters can counter about 'admiration for the West' among the Iran youth, but I believe those proWest youth are actually a minority, mostly intellectual youth. The majority youth in Iran embrace the Qur'an and all the hate therein.
There will come a day when the citizens of the US will wake up, and say we have all these Muslims here and now, yes now, after a devastating attack carried out by our relatively new Muslim citizens, scream out to our politicians "Why did you let this Muslim immigration to occur?"
We (the readers in agreement and posters on this board) can look forward to that day to say "Told you so." Little comfort in that is there?
Their rights means your enslavement your submission your death, that they should rule over you and your land,that you become a dhimmi and pay the jizya.
Reset,
I read about a month ago in the "universal religion" yahoo group (to which I subscribe) a stats list and article about conversions to Zoroastrianism, Bahai, Atheist, Judaism, etc. and how they have been growing since 1970. The conclusion of the article was that Iran is 60% apostate, leaving about 5% for the natural borned into non-Islamic faiths, and 35% Muslims. I'd say this is good news.
If anyone wants this article, you can email me at ibn_rushd2@yahoo.ca and I'll forward it along.
Laurel, right on!
My grandfather came over from central Europe, too, at the age of 13. He worked on a farm and saved some money to attend the local teacher's college. His English still wasn't very good, so he hired an interpreter to accompany him to classes. He earned a degree, went on to receive a Masters in Psychology. Taught himself three or four other languages, and taught several of them in local high schools AFTER he retired.
Now, we have bi-lingual education for illegal aliens, and our BALLOTS are printed in foreign languages. (!!!)
Multi-culturalism will get us killed. If we are very fortunate and very strong perhaps we can avoid going to war. . . with EUROPE. They will be completely dhimmi in a few years. Muslims are a big and growing minority in France. And France has nuclear weapons and a seat on the Security Council.
The Religion of Peace
Will Strike Again
Hugh, that's very interesting about the US consulate being on the corner of Palestine and Andaluz streets.
Do you happen to know where the SPANISH embassy or consulate is in Saudi Arabia?
"This Islamic aliens need to be dealt with immediately. Detain, Deport and Bomb...all of them. There is no such thing as a good Muslim; one cannot be good and Muslim at the same time. Some good "Muslims" are good because they ignore the Koran. In other words, they are infidels to devout Muslims." --ThirdWorldHeaven
You could not be more right!! Why doesn't this FACT get reported? True Muslims want conversion or death from infidels - period. 9/11 coverage should be re-broadcasted nightly and we should lock down our borders to all Muslims and/or people from Arab countries. Then we should deport all Muslim/Arab non-citizens and England (and our true allies) should do the same. Why the reluctance to do this? The American people would support this no-nonsense, non-violent, radical solution to the present radical dilemma if Muslim infiltration. I mean the guy said "more will come"!! He is already defending the next attack - get him out of the country!!
To all believers, let's not lose sight of the big picture here...
It took the devil about 600 years to come up with his most effective plan to counter the victory Jesus acheived on the cross - that plan is Islam. He said to himself, "Hey, this Jesus thing isn't going away, people are believing it, and it's getting harder for me to lure them away from God." Remember, the devil is angry, he is defeated, he knows it, so he wants to take as many of God's children with him - or at least make their life on earth as miserable as possible. But the devil is also very smart, an expert in man's strengths and weaknesses. His master plan of deceit is Islam, and he planted that seed 1400 years ago. In his infinite wisdom, God chose a people to be His. Initially, his decree was for the Jews to follow the Law. But with Jesus came the gift of eternal life for Jews and gentiles alike. Satan was blind-sided, but as present ruler of this world he's been able to decieve millions with this distraction (among many, many others) the world refers to as "the religion of peace". Satan - fueled by a hatred of God, and therefore, God's creation made in His own image - has been able to skillfully use Islam and other religions to take man's eye from the prize. The truth that Jesus is the Son of God, he died on the Cross, he rose again, and is now at the Father's right hand in Heaven, speaking on our behalf to his Father. All He asks is that we believe in Him and accept Him as our Lord and Saviour. There are no 72 virgins, no blowing yourself up at bus stations, no kidnapping and murdering school children. There is only a command to love one another, rejoice in Him, and spread this incredibly good news!
Take heart fellow believers. The truth shall be known and every knee will bow to the one true God.
Non-believers - I am not smarter than you or better than you, I do not judge you or look down on you. I simply say this: Your body is only a vehicle that carries your soul on earth. When that body dies the soul lives on - either in Heaven or in Hell. Don't take my word for it, take God's word for it. Read the Bible and ask to be filled by His Holy Spirit. I didn't "figure it out" on my own, God chose to reveal these truths to me. Please, ask him to reveal them to you.
"Do you happen to know where the SPANISH embassy or consulate is in Saudi Arabia?"
--- from a posting above
No, I don't. Perhaps at the corner where Alhambra Avenue and Ibn Taymiyya Street meet, a block behind Al-Wahhab Square.
It's interesting Hugh.
I go to the Agnostic/Atheist forum at about.com. There, I've said my piece about Islam.
Everyone, of course, has called me a racist, bigot, Islamophobe etc, even though most of them are atheists, and if I said the same thing about christianity, I would be applauded.
A muslim man (a convert by the way) who also goes to that forum, made the statement that he wouldn't like to be in the same room as myself, since he is sure that I would either attack him, or at least try to kill him.
I thought that was extroadinary. I've never threatened anyone there, and yet he is certain that I would try to kill him.
Reading your post has made me realise that he is projecting what HE would do, and since he is projecting, he assumes that I would do the same.
Congrats, Voltaire. You've made an important discovery about so-called "atheism". It's simply a matter of disbeleiving in the deity its ancestors of two generations ago believed in, and being "open" to all others.
This evil man said; "there will be more". That means he knows about terrorists (Muslims) in London and their plans. I am surprised; why hasn't he been arrested and questioned?!
When we set up our law in the West, we did not have Muslims. Now, we have Muslims. Therefore, we need to have very tough laws.
Abbas