Melanie Phillips writes in her diary, with thanks to Andrew Bostom.
We have heard much from Muslim leaders about how Islam is a religion of peace, that it specifically rules against the taking of innocent life, that the word ‘jihad’ is a media invention, that imams preach only sweetness and light and that the terrorists who bombed London last week were acting so much against the tenets of the faith that they weren’t really Muslims at all. Well, here’s the text of a sermon delivered in March last year at the Grand Mosque in Leeds, the area from where three of those bombers came:‘We learnt, from last Friday’s speech, how the rulings of Islam are based on great considerations and objectives, and we mentioned that they are represented in the preservation of the deen (religion), preservation of life, preservation of intellect, preservation of lineage, and preservation of wealth. The speech last week was about preserving the deen and preserving life, and we learnt how Islam commands its followers to fulfil their obligations towards preserving their deen, adhering to it, and establishing its rites, by performing the acts of worship, fulfilling the obligations, leaving what is prohibited, calling people altogether to the great shade of this deen with its wide space, its abundant justice and its great tolerance. If the forces of evil stop and intervene between the people and them entering this deen as Allah, exalted is He, loves for them, it is legislated for those who call, when they face these oppressive forces, to fight Jihad in the path of Allah, and it is legislated for them to sacrifice themselves for the sake of this deen and for the sake of making the da'wah of Islam reach every heart. (my emphasis)
‘The preservation of the deen comes before the preservation of life because if the deen goes and imaan is absent, obedience is abandoned and tawhid of the All-Merciful is not found, and the worshippers of the Shaytan appear, great corruption spreads in the earth, which Allah made a resting place for His servants who He created to worship Him alone and it is upon them to care for it, cultivate it, and bring forth its bounties. You learnt, O beloved brothers and sisters, how Islam forbids the killing of the self, and destroying it and damaging it without right, for whoever kills for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth (my emphasis) it is as if he has killed all of mankind, and whoever gives a self life it is as if he has given life to all of mankind. And you learnt how Islam forbids transgression and prohibits the killing of the weak, from the women and children, and non-combatants, in the battlefields.’
Now, my reading of this is that the preacher was saying that it was expressly permitted for Muslims to kill in order to prevent ‘corruption in the earth’, which itself includes any (unspecified) obstacle to Islam.
He then went on to link this to the Israeli killing of the Hamas ‘spiritual’ leader Sheikh Yassin, and used this to justify the killing of Israelis -- employing the most vile and hysterical libels against Israel and the Jews:...
This sermon is on the Mosque’s website. Do our police or security services actually read open websites? If so, why wasn’t this preacher arrested and prosecuted for racial hatred and incitement to violence? Why isn’t anyone raising this now, after three local men committed their unspeakable acts in pursuit of the very objectives laid out in this sermon? How many other imams are saying similar things or worse? When will the mainstream media wake up from their ‘Islamophobic’ trance and start investigating what is happening here?
If the media was doing its job it would be doorstepping the Leeds mosque and reading this bigoted and hateful sermon to the 'community leaders' and getting their hypocritical and disgraceful attitude on camera for all to see. But it wont. Sacranie and his friends are already throwing up a smokescreen, Sacranie visited Leeds today and said it was 'not just the Muslim's responsibility' to end extremism, and then warned the police not to be 'Islamophobic' in their investigations.
The Left, the Al-Quardian dupes, the BBC and the sleeping fools who dare not question the arrogance and barely disguised threats in the rhetoric of most of the 'leaders' and Islamist commentators who have been interviewed just seven days after the slaughter are betraying out country and acceding to fascism, a fascism with smiles and ingratiating rhetoric of peace and responsibility. These people need to be unmasked without pity, consistently, unceasingly. This is about ideas, this is about calling and destroying fascism, ideological fascists who threaten the British people on our television stations with corrupted rhetoric and sweetened venom, who seek to destroy our tolerant society and these half-witted dupes, these Useful Idiots, these Little Lord Haw's Haw's let them gring their poisonous seed, obfuscate and shill for suicide-bombers.
SHAME on the BBC
SHAME on the left
You have betrayed anything decent the left stood for, you have betrayed the people of Britain.
SHAME on you forever!
zico-
WRITE ON!
Put that on a sheet and print ten thousand copies and start leaving them everywhere throughout the land.
Well put!
"The Rage and the Pride", Brit-style.
Here's the Fallaci version for anyone who hasn't read it... with chilling images:
http://www.borg.com/~paperina/fallaci/fallaci_1.html
WOW! I didn't realize that Oriana Fallaci's "Rage and the Pride" was online! Thanks!
I've read this powerful book in one sitting and am currently passing it around.
Here is another link that deserves sharing.
A Dublin based radio show offers an interview of Dr. Tafik Hamid who chose not to follow islamic jihad. He was recruited by al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, an Egyptian jihadi group that included Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's second in command.
When asked if he was religious now, his response was: " I believe in God, in the creator. I am muslim by birth , christian by spirit, jew by heart and above all I am a human being."
Well worth the listen . . .here's the link:
Dublin's Newstalk 106 Orla Barry Show
Don't expect the BBC to say or do anything that shows Islam to be anything other than the faith of rose and white snow.
I would not be surprised if the BBC sent its top brass to some Islamic country (dare I say Britain ?) to get indoctrinated before settling them in their cushy jobs.
Brilliant. It is just so sad that so many people have died to start getting the right message out. There is still a long way to go though.
People will keep dying and these PC media folks will keep lying.
As a Sikh, I know a thing or two about Islamic cruelties in my adopted religion's history. Yes, "Islam is a religion of peace". Sorry, not buying that dope. Try next door.
It is clear that Britain has had for some time an open door policy to islamic jihadism. This and much much more has been allowed to go unchecked for years.
A covenant perhaps in which the authorities turn a blind eye in exchange for assurances not to attack the British homeland.
perhaps the BBC are simply following government policy and cloaking this in a projection of multiculturism and PC tolerance. Certainly the BBC has not received the rebukes it rightly deserves from Downing street, so is it just "towing the government lines"?
Why has there not been a revolution within the BBC itself? Surely those superior BBC minds can see the corner they are broadcasting themselves into.
Is It perhaps also a question of preserving the large BBC markets overseas in Islamic countries?
miira, Thanks for the link to Tawfik Hamid's talk.
This is getting it from the horse's mouth - an ex-muslim terrorist group member who opted out before his humanity got corrupted.
I hope more and more people will begin to realise that the root of Islamic Terrorism is the teachings of Islam itself as Dr Hamid shared, that hatred for non-muslims is standard teachings in the mosques, that these teachings make moderate muslims passive terrorists who have chosen, at this time, to not act out the terrorism contained in their ideology, and their public condemnations are not real and are acts of self preservation in a non-muslim majority society.
We need to get the message out, and when more people speak up, perhaps we can shame the politicians and the media out of their "cannot equate terrorism to Islam" stupor, and recognise the problem so we can start acting on a solution. So long as they do not see Islam as the cause of Islamic Terrorism, there will be no solution to this terror.
And we will get more carnage as Islam keeps churning out more terrorists, and the press keeps covering their a***s saying "not Islam, not Islam", and our politicians direct the nation's forces away from this scourge.
Multiculurism is not the problem. Its the lack of critical thinking and free speech that is the problem. The moment you open your mouth and expose the hate document that the Koran is, you get called a racist.
I guess every thinking person on this planet impacted by Islamic terrorism is a "racist". The PC media is too busy trying to be nice to Islam.
Multiculturism is not the problem. Its the lack of critical thinking and free speech that is the problem. The moment you open your mouth and expose the hate document that the Koran is, you get called a racist.
I guess every thinking person on this planet impacted by Islamic terrorism is a "racist". The PC media is too busy trying to be nice to Islam.
Zico
Talleyrand - the famous french politician showed that political survival is ensured by inaction.
Any labour politician even speaking out would soon pass under the British guillotine.
Better to avoid the issue and ensure one's political survival.
And when horrors occur "reasons" can be readily invented and propagate by government organs such as the BBC. reason that will fool the majority for most of the time.
I'm sure that under Mrs Thatcher or Winston Churchill, things would not have come down to this.
Why the present weak conservatives have not understood this, is indeed a mystery.
And here's a little question.
In which country is it still a crime punishable by prison sentence not to suscribe to Government controlled media apparatchnik?
Thanks for the post Rebecca. This mosque's website certainly makes for interesting reading. For those interested, here the link to their sermons:
http://www.leedsgrandmosque.com/khutbas.asp
Just a few examples ...
>> The Christmas Eve '99 lesson to be learned from the Battle of Badr? "Love Jihad and Shahadah ... and our lands will be cleansed [from] the filth of the Kufar."
http://www.leedsgrandmosque.com/khutbahs/badr.asp
"... the complete and comprehensive understanding for this religion is one of the important lessons, the task of the believer is to bring people to worship the Lord of the worlds, and to make the religion of Allah the supreme one upon every other methodology, Allah said: 'It is Him who sent His messenger with guidance, and the religion of truth to make it supreme over all religions'."
"So, anybody stand as a hurdle in the way of its spread must be fought against, the real worship is not confined upon prayer and fasting only, in fact, the One who made fasting obligatory is the same One who made fighting obligatory, and the One who said: 'Fasting has been prescribed for you', is the same One who said: 'Fighting has been prescribed for you', so both are worship."
>> As to any talk of Islamic reformation (5/3/04)? "Adherence Until Death"
http://www.leedsgrandmosque.com/khutbahs/khutba-20040305.asp
"The Islamic world is being exposed to an attack which is aimed at its values, its principles, its morals and its deen. They call it rectification, but it is nothing other than destruction, because peoples have values, morals and principles and it is not appropriate for anyone other than those same people to know and recognize their shortcomings and faults. Rectification does not spring forth except from the children of this Ummah. Indeed the affairs of this deen and the creed are sacred and are not disclosed to everyone. The deen and the creed are the true value of this Ummah. It is not permissible to mess around with them. The deen and the creed do not accept being bargained over. To bargain over the foundations of this deen is a great treachery, and nothing short of madness."
"... when they become heedless regarding its principles, this life will spit them out, history will curse them, and the nations will enslave them. And with Allah they will be worth less than the most contemptible of vermin."
The deen and the creed are the true value of this Ummah. It is not permissible to mess around with them. The deen and the creed do not accept being bargained over. To bargain over the foundations of this deen is a great treachery, and nothing short of madness.
Can Islam be reformed from a terrorist ideology to a benign religion? It doesn't look like it. That Islam produces terrorism is clearly evident. Even muslims like Dr Tawfik Hamid say that Islam produces either active terrorists or passive terrorists. The active ones gave us 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, and all the slaughters in Iraq and Israel, and the muslim trouble spots in the world. The passive ones live among us as moderate muslims, and occassionally make taqiyya press condemnations "terrorism has nothing to do with Islam... these terrorists are not even muslims".
Within Islam itself, to reform any part of it is blasphemy since it is the perfect religion from Allah himself.
And if you dare touch it, they'll kill you.
So you either take it whole, in which case you get a terrorist producing machine, or have none of it, which all life on Earth will welcome, even the muslims themselves. There is no middle ground.
Even muslims like Dr Tawfik Hamid say that Islam produces either active terrorists or passive terrorists.
Why is this so?
Terrorism is hard-coded into Islam. It says all humanity has to be brought into submission to Islam, and each person is given three choices: become a muslim, pay a jidza tax, or be killed.
In Islam a non-muslim is "without sanctity", meaning, his "blood, property, and land" is free for the muslim to take. These are basic tenets of Islam that is taught in the mosques. It is also the basis for muslim terrorist acts.
Islam cannot help but produce terrorists. It is a terrorist producing machine.
So you either take it whole, in which case you get a terrorist producing machine, or have none of it, which all life on Earth will welcome, even the muslims themselves. There is no middle ground.
There seem to be a middle ground option -- teaching Islam in a way that defangs the terrorist codes contained in it. A moderate imam says that the terrorist codes -- subjugating all humanity to Islam, and "no sanctity, OK to pillage and kill" non-muslims -- could be taught as instructions for the period it was written in, for a time of warfare centuries past, and is no longer valid now.
If the ummah buys this, it may bring about the end of Islamic terrorism. But that is tenous at best. It will be like building a paper wall around a bomb. The terrorist codes (instructions/ commandments/ edicts) are still there in Islam, and all it takes is for someone to say, "lets do it like it says", and we'll be back to today.
The ideology has to fold.
Jahed Ahmed, wrote "My Experience with Islam (An Apostate's testimony). This is an excerpt.
Link
Of course, I agree, unlike Islamic terrorists, mainstream Muslims don’t commit atrocities to others. However, they are the people who blame the Islamic terrorists for their actions, but they never try to think, many verses of Holy Quran and hadeeth directly are supportive of extremism! Now I will give some proof of Quranic extremism.
First of all, Islam divides the world into two parts: Dar-el-Islam (Land of Muslims) and Dar-el-Harb (Land of War -non Muslims). I don’t know if a Hindu divides the mankind into Hindus and non-Hindus. I’m not certain, if a Christian or a Jews believes in such sectarian views. But I’m sure- Muslims do! I’ve met plenty of Muslims who believe, it is only Islam that can guarantee peace and prosperity for mankind. In accordance with Quran, it is the duty of every Muslim to conquer the non-Muslim land and convert the inhabitants into Islam.
Now I will present an excerpt from Faith Freedom International’s call to world Muslims. It will show verses of Quran, which, by any standard, are inhuman, parochial and potentially dangerous!
“…Quran tells us to: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Q. 5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Q. 9:29). "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Q.2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (Q. 9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Q. 9:5).
Quran says that all those who disbelieve in Islam go to hell (Q. 5:10), they are najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9:28), and orders us to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q.2:193). It prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9:23), (Q. 3:28).
It says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water" (Q. 14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have great punishment in the world hereafter" (Q. 5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Q. 22:19-22) and that they not only will have "disgrace in this life, on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)" (22:9).
Quran says that "those who invoke a God other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (Q. 25:68). For those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (Q. 48:13).
As for him who does not believe in Islam the Prophet says that after he dies it will be announced with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Q. 69:30-37)
The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that "it is good for us even if we dislike it" (Q.2:216). Then he advises us to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Q.47:4). Our God has promised to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and has ordered us to "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Q.8:12). and "to strike terror into (the hearts of the enemies" (Q.8:60).
He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (Q.9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed" (Q. 9:73).
He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (Q. 9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (Q. 56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (Q. 56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). And have sex with "boys like hidden pearls" (Q. 56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (Q. 76:19)
As you see, Allah has promised all sorts of rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill the unbelievers in his name, not forgetting even those with pedophilic inclinations. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (Q. 56:67-71).
In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good) (Q. 3:85).
As for women, the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It advises men to take a green branch and beat their wives, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (Q. 38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal rights, it decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that…….”
My addition to above: Quran is not the words from God! Muhammad is not a holy man! He married Ayesha, when she was just 9 years (according to some Hadeeths, she was just six!). Isn’t it a case of child abuse? When Khadiza, Mohammed’s first wife, died, he was 49 years, and between 49 and 63 (age when he died) years of his life, he married at least 11 times! Among his wives is, Zainab, who was initially Mohammad’s adopted-son Zayed’s wife. Do these examples justify the myth, that he was the greatest of all humans and God’s true messenger?
Last words- my final identity and aim in life: I was a Muslim, but I’m no more...
Sorry for the typos.
proudsikh
As a Sikh you, along with the Hindu community, can do a lot to refute the vicious and wicked smoke-screen thrown up by Muslim leaders which seeks to divert attention from the true culpability for this ideological fascism by claiming British society has a hand in the 'alienation' of Pakistani youth, through 'social exclusion' and 'racism' etc. If this is the case, why are Hindus and Sikhs not alienated and killing people and playing out a fascist, nihilistic, vicious self-pitying communalist ideology? They too suffer from occasional prejudice. You are living proof that this is a piece of snake-oil salesmanship.
Julie Burchill has said exactly this in todays Times:
What we have learnt recently is that diversity is not just to be celebrated mindlessly, but also navigated and negotiated. We, the host community, have accepted multiculturalism; the issue now is whether hardline — and I stress hardline — Muslims can do the same.
To my eyes at least, “live and let live” seems to be a concept they have a problem with; until they can grasp it, as the Sikhs and Hindus have (who have at least as strong and rich a culture, but feel no need to burn books, form parliaments, set up separatist schools and kill their fellow Britons to demonstrate this), the jury is still out on whether hardline Muslims can truly live happily in non-Muslim countries. And, after all, they have 56 — count ’em! — of their own to go to if they don’t like it. They are spoilt for choice.
Or will they not be happy until every last country in the world is composed of veiled women, bearded men and dead infidels, of all creeds and colours?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1695587,00.html
Zico - lots of moral clarity there. That 'shame on you' thing reminds me of Harry's Place, where, though they are nearly all atheists, the Koran appears to be sacred.
It's strange indeed that in this secularised country the Koran is sacred and untouchable. The Bible, on the other hand, can be dissected and ridiculed.
We still haven't heard anything of the fatwa that was supposed to be on its way. Fatwas are issued about pretentious novelists, how to brush your teeth and what to do if you fart in a Meccerly direction. So Britains top Muslims, who are supposed to be shocked by the attacks, should be churning out fatwas by the dozen.
Tick tick tick. Still waiting....
ia786,
Read this have you, its not a phobia is it? There is a real threat from your co-religionists to our freedoms. Sorry but if you can't see that then you do not understand freedom and democracy and being in Britain is wasted on you.
Believe in God, but not the god as laid out by Mohammed.
Miira,
Thanks for that radio link I downloaded it. That is a most powerful piece, I will be sending it to all of my contacts so they understand. What better way then from the horses mouth so to speak, someone who was and an Islamic and then regained his humantity. ia786, you could learn a lot from what he said.
ia786
Why do you come here, is it because you are now doubting what you thought before, I am not racist, never have been and never will be, but I am against Islam because it is an evil religion, a death cult that wants to dominate the world and destroy my freedom. Use you brain, you argue well, you have humanity, you don't believe in killing, you come here because you question your own beliefs don't you?
Ms Philips asks: If so, why wasn’t this preacher arrested and prosecuted for racial hatred and incitement to violence?
Well this is why.
A delegation of Muslim leaders and senior scholars met Home OfficeMinister Paul Goggins this week to seek clarification on the Incitement to Religious Hatred Bill.
The delegation requested the meeting to seek clarification on a number of matters relating to the bill. Recent confusion regarding freedoms to deliver khutbahs and to recite and quote from the Qur’an and ahadith had raised concerns in the community that dawah and propagatory practices may be curtailed under the new legislation.
The Minister assured the Muslim community that there was nothing in the bill that would prevent scholars from delivering their sermons or from reciting from the Qu’ran and ahadith. The Minister reiterated that what the bill would do is criminalise incitement to religious hatred against individuals.
Sir Iqbal Sacranie stated that he was at eased that matters that had caused some obfuscation in the community had been cleared.
Zico
A warning from the past that the BBC does not want us to hear - By Charles Moore
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/07/16/do1601.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2005/07/16/ixopinion.html
Shame and double shame on the BBC.
Zico
I am but a convert to Sikhism. I grew up as a Catholic. But even among those born into my faith, I have never seen such widespread attitudes of "someone else is always responsible for what I do".
All religions, including mine, have had terrorists. However, as you can readily see, in all religions except Islam, terrorists tend to be the exception, and not the rule.
The perpetrators of 9-11 and 7-7 were are all middle class - upper class Muslims leading lives that many in west and south Asia, and north Africa would consider ideal. It was not a failed "hearts and minds effort" that failed them. It was their religion, which for want of a better word, operates like a Mafia (if you try to leave, you die; etc.).
The PC media and their political spineless actors have a vested interest in keeping the public at large drunk with the koolaid of "Islam is a religion of peace", when it is only half true. It is not the peace of the gentle waves of the Atlantic striking a cape on a lazy summer evening, its the peace of the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust.
Mark my words, these pigs would use those nukes if they had them. The attacks of 7-7 could equally well have been nuclear.
The West is deluding itself. From what I know, people in countries like India, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc. have no illusions about what these Muslims are capable of.