Survey of Human rights violations perpetrated against Hindus in Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Jammu & Kashmir

From the Executive Summary of this report, I see that the decline in the proportion of Hindus in the population of West Pakistan (now Pakistan) and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh)has been even more pronounced than I thought. I have been using different figures, for most initial percentages in 1947 and now, and will change those in my postings accordingly.

Nobody cares I guess...stupid idolators and pagans. Come now, lets move on to the churches destroyed in Egypt or harrassment of Christ's followers in Indonesia. Hence only one post which was expectedly by Hugh.

Shantih Shantih Shantih (peace)

Nobody cares I guess...stupid idolators and pagans. Come now, lets move on to the churches destroyed in Egypt or harrassment of Christ's followers in Indonesia. Hence only one post which was expectedly by Hugh.

Shantih Shantih Shantih (peace)

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Churches destroyed??? Well you should know how Christians are persecuted by Hindus in India. Their have been many murders and other abuses. Lets not forget the millions of slaves (lower caste) Hindus held as prisoners in India.

I am concerned as well. It is just that I know little beyond some encounters with Hindu history in figuring out Islam. If I'm not comfortable with knowing enough, I wouldn't post. It is the same pattern I have read about. Once Islam reaches critical mass, it consumes the Infidels, what their god or idols. Oh, I'm sorry, that was not politically correct per the S.A. Council, the Others. Wasn't that the name of some B horror flick?

Hinduism is both a very recent as well as an extremely ancient construct. It has no Bible, no church and no pope. You can believe in one god, no god or a million gods and still remain Hindu.
The lack of hierarchy and structure had both advantages and disadvantages. It helped hinduism survive islamist invasions in the middle ages because there was nothing central to hinduism that the jihadis could destroy. But lack of a central structure has also had its cons in that there's nary any collective Hindu consciousness and collective activism taking place.

Hindu scriptures, Hindu advances in Sciences, Mathematics, Medicine and Astronomy are a wonder to the world. The greatest minds of the pre 2000 BC era were undoubtedly Indo-Aryan. That such a magnificient culture slowly faces extinction in the lands of its origin is a terrible tragedy, which like many other terrible tragedies, will probably go unlamented.

But there maybe hope yet. When counted in sheer numbers Hindus and Buddhists outnumber moslems (800+500 million respectively). When roused to anger, they can be at least as deadly as the average irrationally blind jihadi. When the war of civilizational valuesbreaks out (in the hills of Jerusalem?) count the Hindus on the side of the good guys.

Hey Mr. Informed Christian, there's no need to think you need to put me in my place. I comment seldom and dont BS.
Perhaps you might indulge me in considering some empirical evidence. There were 4 comments to the story posted AFTER this one (immediately after) and some of the 66-67 comments made to the one before this piece were almost around the same time, whereas only ONE comment by Hugh on this piece (excluding mine).
Now maybe I've been hallucinating demons, but please research on this interesting little term: "Rice Christians". Remember, I do not in the least condone any violence against Christians or even Muslims. And if you did some painstaking research you would find out how the reports of attacks on Christians are blatently exaggerated or even falsified (case in point: rape of nuns by supposed 'hindu extremists'...after few months of investigation, the whole claim was found to be a fraud). Yes I know what you will bring now: The Graham Staines case. Yes he was brutally murdered by this HINDU EXTREMIST. AGREED! And thats the only story that ran on Indian media for 2 weeks while Hindus were being slaughtered in Kashmir. Anyway, I do think RICE CHRISTIANS will amuse you. What Im trying to tell you, sir, is that its unfortunate this is happening, but unlike the jihad which claims the Muslim ummah to be victimized ad nauseum, there is legitimate discontent among the poor Hindu masses who the "HARVEST INDIA" kind of churches try to exploit simply to swell the demographic no. of 'Christians'. Again, NO VIOLENCE condoned. Dara Singh (Staines' killer) I believe shud be given the death penalty. But please, sir, believe me when I tell you, people like Benny Hinn (google) and his ilk have been trying to convert the poor pagans of my country by hook or crook for sometime now.
Please also find the time to find out that your Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, the Holy See Pope John Paul II was welcomed in India when all other Asian countries refused him a visa. And what did he have to say? "Just as the cross was planted on the soil of Europe in the first millennium and in Africa in the second millennium....." complete it urself, sir. And also supposedly then "India was [sic] ripe for saving" ??? Would even the most basic courtesy not force someone to treat once hosts in this fashion?

Peace!

Tushar; take it easy Tiger, just because people don't post doesn't mean they don't care. I am just starting to look into the muslim hindu genocide. A google of hindu genocide brings up a lot of info and hindu kush also. Why don't you point me in the right direction for resources ? Cheers !

http://voi.org/books/siii/

Hey TooBad, I thought no one wud ever ask! :D:D
Start from here....its mostly all YOU would need to know.

Shantih

Tushar

"The massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."
iii- Francois Gautier

Hindu Holocaust Museum
Rewriting Indian history
Where is the Hindu Holocaust Museum?
Hindu Genocide in East Pakistan, Bangladesh
The truth about Islam
Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter
The Nation of Hindutva
Holocaust of Hindus during Muslim rule in India
Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims and others
IndiaStar review of books, letters to the editor
Resurgent India: Perspectives on Independence Day
Hindu Resources Online
Muslim terrorism - 100s of links
Hinduunity.org - Hindutva and Hindu Rashtr

CHAPTER 3
ENTIRE QURAN IS A MANUAL ON JIHAD

Now we can take up the third observation in Justice Basak’s judgement, namely, that “This book [The Quran] is not prejudicial to maintenance of religious harmony”, and that “Because of the Koran no public tranquility has been disturbed upto now and there is no reason to apprehend any likelihood of such disturbance in future”. He has gone further and chosen to repeat the etymological exercise which we find in most of the books written by apologists of Islam in modem times. We are informed by Justice Basak that the word “Muslim” has been formed from the word “IslAm” which in turn derives from “as-salam”, meaning peace. The mission of Islam, we are assured by him, is the establishment of peace, and a Muslim is he who works wholeheartedly for this fulfilment. The argument is clever but not consistent either with what is advocated by the scriptures of Islam or with what we find in the recorded history of this creed spread over more than fourteen hundred years. Human history has known several movements which have used words to mean exactly the opposite of what those words stand for in common parlance. Christianity, Communism and Nazism abound in such doublespeak. So also Islam.

http://voi.org/books/tcqp/chi3.htm

I think everyone should just relax. Although I know that when the first Christians came to India to escape persecution (namely Syrian Christians) they were pretected by the Hindus. When the Jews came, the Hindus protected them. When the Zorastrians came, again the Hindus protected them. Hell, when anyone came, we just protected them.

Now when Vasco de Gama reached what is now GOA, he and his fanatic supporters did what the Muslims did elsewhere, they persecuted Hindus. And this came be read in the accounts of a book called the GOA Inquisition.

However, unlike the muslims, the christians at least try to mend their ways and wrong doings. At least if you show the evidence, a Christian will feel bad for happened. But a Muslim will be like "Damn, we didn't finish shop?"

So although there are attacks because missionaries come into India and call Hindus devil worshippers so some Hindu Cowboy gets pissed and takes the law into his own hands, however he doesn't escape punishment or execution for his crimes unlike other countries.

And one should remember that in India, a Hindu majority country, has had a Catholic Defence Minister (George Fernandez), a Catholic Prime Minister (Rajiv Gandhi), given a state funeral to Mother Teresa (even though she is banned from muslim countries like bangladesh who uttered death threats against her).

If Hindus and Christians do have their issues, it can still be resolved since if the teachings of Christ were upheld "Judge not lest you be judged" and "Do unto others...etc etc." there would always be room for tolerance.

So lets get back to the real picture and deal with the enemy at the gate.

And Saxena, I understand your pain but you should also realise that if Hindus, both in the West and in India, Nepal, Thailand, Bali, Fiji, Cambodia, Laos, Mauritius etc etc don't care about the persecution of their people, then why should we expect anyone else to care.

At least Mr. Spencer and his group allow us to share our concerns and feelings because we have been persecuted by Islam. At least they have given us a platform in which we too can write our concerns and share information. Perhaps these forums are a way to educate others about the plight of the Hindu people and at least now they will listen since they too are under attack.

So instead of getting fumed, make bridges with those who are willing to listen.

Hinduism is in many ways like an Open-Source Software in which u have liberty to modifyu it in any way u like. Hence customs of one Hindu community will be alien to other Hindu community. Hinduism is an umbrella term for various religious practices based on Vedas.

Quote from a posting by ia786:

Well you should know how Christians are persecuted by Hindus in India. Their have been many murders and other abuses. Lets not forget the millions of slaves (lower caste) Hindus held as prisoners in India.

Oooo u seem to know sooo much about my place of birth so y dont u tell me more about it. Are there any credible links,sources etc...

Well about the thing about Hindus persecuting Christians.. I've told ppl around here a million times tat when u attempt proseylitize a community in such an aggressive and concentrated manner (by ppl like Pat Roberton and Benny Hinn whose views on Hinduism are both ignorant and hatefilled.) theres bound to be a conflict. Except that Staines incident there has been NO OTHER UNTOWARD INCINDENT towards Indian Christians. Moreover perpetrators of the murder r on death row now. Hindus are fighting missionaries in a far more civilised manner. They fight them thru debate and reason and by reconverting Christians thru welfare activities like tribal ashrams and hostpitals... I'm afraid Vatican has taken an exception to this and is out to demonize the Hindutva movement.

About the thing about slaves in India... ia786 u r a mindless lil' ignorant troll
I'm not denying Caste system but as of today most of it is gone. Dalits r found in all walks of life. There is 52% reservation for them in govt. institutions,schools, colleges,legislatures,jobs etc. In Andhra they've estended this to even Muslims. Moreover South Asian muzzies and christians DO FOLLOW A CASTE SYSTEM. ASHRAFIS,SAYEEDS,RAJPUT MUSLIMS who r they? can u explain?Indian attitudes towards women far more civilised than urs. Dont try to tell me how Islam treats women. My grandfather a Sindhi, all his life thot that he was a sole survivour of partition but back in 1992 he learnt ow his siters we sold into sexual slavery when they were abucted by Muslims whilst going to Bombay (India) from Quetta (Pakistan).

ia786 why i ask why do u hate us? why dont u feel pride in ur Indo-Aryan past? why do u resent ur pre-Islamic faith? did u ever ask urself why do u speak an Indo-Aryan language? have you ever given a thot that we may share same ethinic origins... they say blood is thicker than water but you Muslims seem to be an exception...

Thanks Tushar I will be checking it out.

Islam, a religion that forcibly converted others at the point of a sword, can be justifiably regarded as a slave organisation and ideology, as it forced other people to adopt a way of life against their wishes. Virtually all muslims in the world are descendents of those poor people, who were so horribly treated by muslim invaders. Islam not only enslaved those people in body but also in spirit and in mind. This enslavememnt of the mind, is the main reason why muslim society has been so lethargic and impoverished, in body and soul. How can slaves be expected to be original and enterprising - these after all, are the characteristics of free men and women. The crime of apostasy ie the islam sanctioned execution of a muslim who attempts to leave islam, is similar to the execution of runaway slaves.

This world will not be free from slavery until islam perishes, as it is the main slave owning society in the world.

DP111, I have never seen apostasy viewed that way before but you are right on the money !!

Tushar Saxena:

If you have been reading archival material on this site, then you should know that the holocaust perpetrated by the islamic invaders of India, has been highlighted many a time on this site. We have, over the last two years, been informed by Hugh and others, of the works of Sita Ram Goel, of the Calcutta petition, and other such works.

I have commented many times on the carnage that muslim invaders visited on the Hindus and Budhists of India. The wanton destruction of temples and stupas, on a scale that beggars the imagination, as well as the destruction of Buddhist and Hindu seats of learning by muslim invaders. All these have been posted on this site by myself and others over the last two years or so. Hugh F in particular, has educated us like no other, on India's disastrous encounter with islam. The question he recently posed was, how to inform the Indian public on the truth of islam's carnage in India; a truth that has been criminally hidden from Hindus by the liberal Hindu elite of India itself.

I understand your grievance of the ignorance in the West about islam's depredations in India. However this site, and many of its commenters, cannot be accused of such ignorance. Moreover, there are other groups, Armenians and Copts for instance, whose genocide at the hands of muslims, has also been ignored till quite recently. The genocide of Christians and Animists in Sudan in the last two decades no less, has also been ignored by the world.

Tushar, I really understand the bitterness you have, of the ignorance of the catastrophe that was inflicted by islam on India. The prime cause of this ignorance though, is the Hindu political elite of India from Gandhi down, which consistently suppressed any truthful historical examination of the muslim invasion and subjugation of India. Such suppression persists to this day on grounds of communal harmony and not offending muslims etc. This site and its commenters OTH, have tried their best to inform and educate and even tried to think of ways to inform the general Indian public of the truth; a public that has been so succesfully misinformed by the Indian state.

I feel that you owe this site a general apology.

Haha Informed Christian...interesting argument. I dont remember arguing theology with you. We were talking about empirical evidence, remember? Any how yeah lets check this out:
Except that Staines incident there has been NO OTHER UNTOWARD INCINDENT towards Indian Christians."

Wrong.

"reconverting Christians thru welfare activities like tribal ashrams and hostpitals..."

Sounds like rice-Hindus.

haha thats really great reasoning my friend. So if someone was misled for materialistic gains to become a Christian and he reconverts SIGNING AN AFFIDAVIT CONFIRMING NO FORCE, he becomes a Rice Hindu? LOL...Thats really amusing. Looks like uve run out of material. Why dont you read the testimonies of those people who have been reconverted? And again like I said no violence condoned and instead of your fucking moral high ground and asking the Hindus themselves to improve their economic conditions why dont you lay off and let us handle our country in peace? HARVEST SOME other islamic souls in Africa or somewhere. And really clever tactics too...like in Bangalore theres the "Jesus Krupa International". These worthies distribute pamphlets which read something like this in the local vernacular languages :"The law of Karma had been effectively ended by Lord Jesus. The law now is that of Krupa. If you love Jesus and accept him as your saviour in this life...you will be brought of out of your idolatrous darkness and get a place in heaven!"

Really smart I see. Target the downtrodden, offer them rice (sarcasm), drive away selfless aid workers like those of Hindus, denigrate the native religion, and when some cowboy hits back, its supposed to be a Jihad like conspiracy to KILL ALL CHRISTIANS. Excellent indeed. We Hindu extremists are a dangerous lot. Beware Mr Informed and dont bring the likes of mr. Benny Hinn ever into our country again or we just might slit your throat with the blessings of Lord Shiva. May He rule the earth and HINDU LAW PREVAILS OVER THE EARTH!
AWESOME!

Take your bullshit elsewhere...you are too myopic to see India's problems. Grabbing the dhimmi BBC's agenda by the balls and reportraying it here is too easy. Some socio-economic research (even political) will tell you what the fuck is going on.

the Chief Minister of the state of Andhra pradesh is a Christian. He regularly subsidizes church-building from the taxpayers. and guess where the money comes from, mr "Informed" Christian?? no idea? well here's an idea: TEMPLE FUNDS! 60% go to mosques and madrassas, 25% to churches and 15% is given back to the temples for maintenance etc.

So please, I request you...quit your high-handed moral superiority...when such exploitation can take place on such a large scale in many parts of the country, a few cowboys shouldn't haunt your blessed spirits...and AGAIN I reiterate, NO VIOLENCE IS CONDONED BY ME.

By the way John Dayal of the Indian Catholic Union (or whatever the exact name is) recently remarked that "RSS is the biggest enemy of christians".
What follows few months later? "10 Christian preists saved by RSS workers"

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=309596

And finally, sir, I do not doubt that Jesus was a great man. That is hardly the point being discussed here.

For a total rebuttal if you still think Im of the supposed ilk of "Hindu Extremist Communalist Fascists", here's a helping hand:
http://voi.org/books/hhce/

And since this site is consulted by many here for excellent resources on Hindu-Islamic encounter, the readers and even Mr. Robert Spencer can attest to its veracity.

Thank you and have a good day, mr. Informed Christian. I hope you can forgive me my little aggression as a good Christian (no sarcasm), but in the end my point is that you are not really "informed" about the situation in India as the MSM there is hopelessly biased and even invents stories when ratings go downhill.

Now lets get back to JIHADWATCH and DHIMMIWATCH, shall we?? That is much more important. These socio-economic quibbles will go on in India as always...everything happens too slow there.

DP111 I do not think I owe an apology to THE SITE. Like Ive said I really admire Hugh especially for his piercing insight into India's encounter with Islam and its current disastrous political situation. Even Robert has been really helpful in educating the common folks here about the horrors Hindus faced during Muslim rule. However, my point remains. number of comments absolutely do matter. If an analogous list pointed our persecutions of Christians around the Islamic world (with such a reading), i dont doubt at least 40-50 comments here.
And no I wasnt gaining cheap points either. I was casually expressing my feelings AT THE MOMENT. That wasnt either an attack on THE SITE or its readers, just general disappointment which MAY have been unfounded.

Good day, dp
May peace prevail in our time

Tushar:

Counting number of comments on a particular issue is hardly a sensible way to judge or form an opinion of a site. Besides this site is an American/Western site, and it is quite natural that Christians, lapsed or otherwise, will make up the bulk of the commenters. In accordance with that, I will never judge a Hindu site on the basis of the number of its sympathetic comments for Christians or any other. Additionally, it is wrong to assume that most Westerners are Christian. This is a fallacy that seems to persist in muslim minds. This fallacy is quite natural, as in muslim lands there is no seapration of the religious and political.

Most commeneters on this site are Americans, and it is natural that American issues will dominate. Britain is next in the number of comments, for the simple reason that our countries are tied through common language and mores, that enable us to see issues in a similar manner. Germany, Italy- both Western states, barely get a mention by your criteria, and certainly far less so then India does.

The fact is that this site and its commenters, have consistently commented on the catastrophe of the islamic invasion of India, which is more then can be said for the Hindu political elite of India, which actually has actively buried the historical fact. If blame has to be assigned, that is where it most squarely lies.

This site and its commenters have been fair and consistently sympathetic to India, despite the majority having no particular link to India.

And a very Good day to you to Tushar.

Will peace prevail in our time? Not a hope with the current ignorant, misinformed and cowardly bunch of leaders. We will have peace when islam is consigned to a biodegradable (non-recyclable) dustbin.