When Amir Taheri is good, he is very, very good. Here he is in the TimesOnline (thanks to Twostellas) explaining, as we have explained here so many times, what the jihadists are up to, not only in London yesterday but elsewhere:
It may take some time before the full identity of the attackers is established. But the ideology that motivates them, the networks that sustain them and the groups that finance them are all too well known. Moments after yesterday’s attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want?
Even asking this question could lead to the capitulation of Britain and the West. What do they want? Withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, that sounds reasonable. Let's give it to them. Spain did so, after all.
There may be good reasons to withdraw, but to do so on the jihadists' terms and at their demand to do so, thereby granting them a victory, would be suicidal. When Western analysts ask, What do they want? It is because they want to grant it -- something, anything, to get these people to stop killing us. But just as Chamberlain discovered of "Herr Hitler," when they grant what they want, they will find that it is not precisely what they wanted.
That reminded me of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker, who was shot by an Islamist assassin on his way to work in Amsterdam last November. According to witnesses, Van Gogh begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.”Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was reacting like BBC reporters did yesterday, assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere.
But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.
The ideological soil in which alQaeda, and the many groups using its brand name, grow was described by one of its original masterminds, the Pakistani Abul-Ala al-Maudoodi more than 40 years ago. It goes something like this: when God created mankind He made all their bodily needs and movements subject to inescapable biological rules but decided to leave their spiritual, social and political needs and movements largely subject to their will. Soon, however, it became clear that Man cannot run his affairs the way God wants. So God started sending prophets to warn man and try to goad him on to the right path. A total of 128,000 prophets were sent, including Moses and Jesus. They all failed. Finally, God sent Muhammad as the last of His prophets and the bearer of His ultimate message, Islam. With the advent of Islam all previous religions were “abrogated” (mansukh), and their followers regarded as “infidel” (kuffar). The aim of all good Muslims, therefore, is to convert humanity to Islam, which regulates Man’s spiritual, economic, political and social moves to the last detail.
I would only add -- and so would Maududi (al-Maudoodi) -- that conversion is not the only option. Subjugation as dhimmis under the rule of the Islamic state is the other.
But what if non-Muslims refuse to take the right path? Here answers diverge. Some believe that the answer is dialogue and argument until followers of the “abrogated faiths” recognise their error and agree to be saved by converting to Islam. This is the view of most of the imams preaching in the mosques in the West. But others, including Osama bin Laden, a disciple of al-Maudoodi, believe that the Western-dominated world is too mired in corruption to hear any argument, and must be shocked into conversion through spectacular ghazavat (raids) of the kind we saw in New York and Washington in 2001, in Madrid last year, and now in London.That yesterday’s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday’s atrocity. It said “We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid (ghazava) in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.” Those who carry out these missions are the ghazis, the highest of all Islamic distinctions just below that of the shahid or martyr. A ghazi who also becomes a shahid will be doubly meritorious.
There are many Muslims who believe that the idea that all other faiths have been “abrogated” and that the whole of mankind should be united under the banner of Islam must be dropped as a dangerous anachronism. But to the Islamist those Muslims who think like that are themselves regarded as lapsed, and deserving of death.
Hence the virtually insurmountable difficulties that reformers face.
It is, of course, possible, as many in the West love to do, to ignore the strategic goal of the Islamists altogether and focus only on their tactical goals.
Into this trap both Left and Right have fallen.
These goals are well known and include driving the “Cross-worshippers” (Christian powers) out of the Muslim world, wiping Israel off the map of the Middle East, and replacing the governments of all Muslim countries with truly Islamic regimes like the one created by Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran and by the Taleban in Afghanistan.How to achieve those objectives has been the subject of much debate in Islamist circles throughout the world, including in London, since 9/11. Bin Laden has consistently argued in favour of further ghazavat inside the West. He firmly believes that the West is too cowardly to fight back and, if terrorised in a big way, will do “what it must do”. That view was strengthened last year when al-Qaeda changed the Spanish Government with its deadly attack in Madrid. At the time bin Laden used his “Madrid victory” to call on other European countries to distance themselves from the United States or face similar “punishment”.
Bin Laden’s view has been challenged by his supposed No 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who insists that the Islamists should first win the war inside several vulnerable Muslim countries, notably Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Until yesterday it seemed that al-Zawahiri was winning the argument, especially by heating things up in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yesterday, the bin Laden doctrine struck back in London.
Capitulation with any nation state with the jihad Rats will become in time murder mass of millions.
But also understand its not just jihadists working to kill us all, its our own government's that can't deal with insane ideas.
Here in the US., We also have a helping hand going out to the jihad Rats from people like the Aztlan movement and by so called American politically people helping guys like Fox who was in London in the G8, Meetings, ask why mexico is part of the G-8?..ITS LIKE HAVING A BIN LADEN INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE.
Sadly we will see many more attacks like London.
At the end of the the G8 summit one of the first things Tony Blair did in front of the other G8 leaders, after condemning the terrorists, was declare that they would respond by giving the Palestinians 3 billion dollars. I understand that their argument would be that this will somehow meet the needs of the Palestinian state and so decrease its population’s radicalism. However, what if the 3 billion doesn't? I am sure that there are terrorists out there who will now claim...
"Hey look my Muslim brothers and sisters. We bombed them today and the next they give us Muslims 3 billion!!!! This is one of our greatest successes. Allah Akbar!!!!"
I worry that after the money is spent in Palestine that the west will end up looking like a bunch of dhimmies/dummies and that more Muslim bombers will blow more of us up expecting the next 3 billion from us.
I could be wrong. Maybe the money will calm the Palestinians down. However, billions have already been spent on them and it has it stopped their terrorists? It doesn't look like it has to me anyway.
They talk about fighting the enemy, but no-one has had the guts to name the enemy.
The enemy is Islam, and until that enemy is named, all the comments from Blair etc are useless.
"I could be wrong."-- from a posting above by obl r us.
No, you couldn't. You could not be more right.
"Into this trap both Left and Right have fallen."
God Damn it. The Right have succumbed to the dominant Leftist atmosphere. That is the only reason that Right has "fallen". The Leftists are in control. When will Robert Spencer acknowledge this!!!???
"I could be wrong.
-- from a posting above by "obl r us."
No, you couldn't. You could not be more right.
And a question: "obl r us"? As in "Toys 'r Us?" And if so, is it sort for "oblates are us"? Or "obligations are us"?
Please, in a spirit of oblesse noblige, explain.
Oh god am I stupid. Is my face red. I did not connect "obl" with anything except oblates, oblations, and obligations, and oblesse noblige. Forgive me. I haven't been reading the papers lately. Forget my request. I figured it out. A little late, and most humiliatingly.
Hugh:
Yes. Obviously he is a musician, and it stands for obbligato.
Yrs
Robert
OBL R US means we must choose between us or obl. Some people think there can be a world where OBL and US can coexist. I think everyone here would disagree.
Sorry about the chaos the other day. I was angry as hell with Super Garp and was trying to get at him. I beleived he was trying to shut down the first post about the London massacre. Didn't read your post until after I flamed him. The last time I flamed a troll here was the day of the Beslan massacre. That made me furious. Your posts are "always" excellent"...the best here along with Roberts. I will take your advice and not be liable to respond to trolls when in anger. They post here with the intention of causing chaos and responding to them in anger only results in more chaos. Genuine appologies. Please post more satire.
That was a great article by Amir Taheri. I'll have to print off some copies of that. Excellent explanation for the 'what to they want' question that everybody always asks and we always get some stupid answer. I almost felt like Blair was having less conviction in his voice when he said "act of islam...but tiny minority of the Muslims". The first step to sanity is recognizing what you have believed is not true.
Then again, I read somewhere that Blair, after 9/11, was walking around with the Quran, supposedly reading it, but he said he did not find anything in it that was alarming to him. I don't even understand that at all.
In this case the Left, most of academia, 99.9% of MESA professors, extremely Christian Right, and swastika-tatoo-wearing-on-the-face-twice-Right, along with do-gooder "the people are too stupid for details, and leaving the hotel is dangerous" media all agree on the same issue. Keeping in mind that Israel is central to much of this, but not in the way any of the aforementiond groups would have it.
Israel could not be more exposed as a reconaissance unit in the global war on 'terror' (slogan administration approved, torture tested) - actually a new but 1300 year old jihad largely funded and supported by Wahhabis.
Before Hugh jumps on me, but I dare him to try it, ;-) I'm not suggesting the Wahhabi problem is the only problem, just that I haven't heard a wonderful strategy for solving all the problems in fighting the jihad yet at a policy-making level. Or any of them for that matter. Efforts have been made with spotty results for 1300 years.
Even if someone a 20-point plan with everything from containment, targeted killings, air strikes, propaganda, and more wars to topple governments, that won't address the potential for future ignition of the jihad.
Robert's thesis about Islam could be analogized to intellectual poison with persistence. It's a totality, utilizing all the human capacity for destruction on a catch-as catch-can basis. The best part, you can read it in books or on the Internet.
The men get to play tough brutes. Since the men get to do that, who cares what the women think? It's akin to Nazism, from the spooky pagan symbolism to racial and intellectual (I'm use that word in the widest sense possible along with the next) purity.
It's all about sexual repression, brutality, conquest, and alcohol prohibition, where heaven consists of 72 virgin whores and drinking wine from rivers (like Woodstock but better for our older audience). Throw in the Bedouin honor code, which has less honor than anything I've ever discovered, and yet I find most of the American print media softpedaling Islam for fear of the backlash that never comes.
The only real backlash is in subscription cancellations.
There are fantastical moderate Muslims, who have never once fired RPG's in anger, or beheaded and disemboweled a disgusting kuffar whore of a woman, but how am I supposed to understand the little switch in their heads which gets clicked when they've told me a thousand times I just don't get Islam?
Combine all this with the drumbeat of revolutionary rhetoric always emanating from the hysterical extremes at both ends of the political circle, and sometimes it's hard to smile and mean it.
take full control of your lives=cult
Why cant the "smart" leaders of these free nations see that a good muslim ( a true muslim ) is actually the worst kind of human that humanity can possibly produce??? W A K E U P "smart" leaders
I suspect there's a certain amount of naivity -- and perhaps denial -- among many muslims regarding fundamental Islam, just as there is among many christians regarding fundamental Christianity. See, for example, Cat Stevens' (aka Yusuf Islam's) denial of what he said or didn't say on the topic of the Salman Rushdie fatwa: http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/ (Compare his comments to what appears to be a less biased account: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie .)
While reading Cat Steven's apologia invokes disturbing images of a reality TV show, "Tom Cruise vs. Cat Stevens: Deathmatch 2005," it also highlights that the problem of Islamist terrorism lies not with Islam, but with fundamentalism and fanaticism. A well educated and thoughtful man, Stevens abrogated rational thought to mindless fanatcism -- and now is sorry for it. He succumbed; what can we hope from others?
So, just as many everyday christians wonder (and deny and disbelieve) that the adjective "Christian" is used to modify "Ku Klux Klan" or "Nazi" with a straight face, so too many everyday muslims wonder that "Muslim" is used to modify "Secret al-Qaeda in Europe."
Those everyday folk are not the enemy.
Indeed, they are our saving grace, because they will listen to reason.
Step 1: Work to eliminate the medieval ties between religion and state that permeate the middle east, including (starting with?) our allies Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.
Step 2: Pressure the House of Saud to open the country to democratic reforms. As the guardians of Medinah and Mecca, they have a particular moral standard to uphold.
Step 3: Reduce our dependence on middle east oil. Had we spent the same amount of money on alternative sources of energy as we have on Iraq and Afghanistan, we'd be halfway there.
Step 4: Legitimize (i.e., legalize with prejudice) certain drugs and narcotics, including opium, in order to break the powerhold of the ruling gangs in Afghanistan. It would be far cheaper in dollars and lives to treat the additional addicts than it is to wage the current war there.
Step 5: As the world's only superpower -- a fleeting circumstance -- use our time wisely to crush tyrrant, alleviate oppression, and export freedom. Of course, that means no cutting moral or ethical corners: no Abu Grahibs, no Guantanamos....
Step 6: Never give in to terrorists. Ever.
In the same Times Online, Parrish wants to cut a deal I think.
'No surrender' moves swiftly from heart to lip but it detours the brain
Matthew Parris
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-1686524,00.html
.....Politicians never say so but it has been the elephant in the Underground carriage for decades. It is why the English (as opposed to our political class) have always understood that we could not “defeat” the IRA any more than it could defeat us, and that in the end both sides would have to deal — as in the end the last Prime Minister did.
Al-Qaeda will be harder. There will never be anything you can call a deal for there are no clear demands and no leadership to deal with. But if we tackle anger and alienation where terrorists recruit and feed, if we drain what fuels them and peel away, leaf by leaf, the support and cover under which they operate in a society like ours, then we will come to understand what still eludes the White House: that terrorism is not a body of men but a cloud of sympathies. Irretrievable madcaps exist only in small numbers. As a cause ebbs, recruits go home. Stripped of local sympathy, the irreconcilables will find nowhere to hide. .....
What do they want?
Both Blair and Queen Elizabeth said it: "They want to change our way of life."
And yet neither said how this "tiny minority," this very small percentage of Muslims, could hope to take on the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, etc., and change their ways of life.
Either this tiny minority isn't so tiny.
Or this tiny minority is totally delusional.
Perhaps both.
For the first time in so many months, I am finally getting the feeling that the genie is out of the bottle.
World War is brewing folks. Hold onto your hats.
GAH, I hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as "fundamental" Islam, and the KKK is not representative of Christianity any more than Nazism was. Members of the Klan may call themselves Christians, but the teachings of Christianity do not condone their beliefs or their actions. Ditto Nazis. Hitler did not announce that he wanted to control the world for God; he had a political, not a religious, agenda.
Nowhere in the New Testament are Hitler's or the KKK's atrocities encouraged or condoned. They are vehemently forbidden! So don't try to prove any moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam; there is none!
Muslims kill because the Qur'an tells them to kill. Allah dictates every move a muslim makes, from which side of the bed to sleep on, to the proper way to behead an innocent kaffir and rape a helpless female after butchering her husband and children. Islam is Islam; there are three major sects and they are all barbaric. Muslims believe they are superior to all other people and that it is their right and duty to subjugate or kill all non-muslims. There are no comparisons between Islam and Christianity, PERIOD! Islam is a doctrine of perpetual war and all good, devout muslims adhere to the teachings of the Qur'an. Islamic terrorists are the best of muslims; the rest of them are enablers, supporters, and financiers.
Oh, and let us not forget that the KKK was thrashed to the point of the infantile prattling amongst a handful of inbred hate-mongers that we see today, from what was originally a well-educated mass of millions in its earliest incarnation.
Once the American people realized how far the KKK had fallen into madness and corruption, it was dealt with harshly by U.S. lawmakers and that was that.
If you're looking for some type of moral equivalency in that story, you'll find none. I know of no time in history when the Islamic nations intentionally stamped out the worst in their midst. The worst of them are almost always IN CHARGE.
GAH87-
I hope by "no Guantanamos" ["STEP 5."] you mean "shoot the s.o.b.'s first, don't buy them lunch and given them free Korans".
Otherwise, I'd advise you to "gitmo" real.
The only thing wrong with Guantanamo is that it is too close to U.S. lawyers. During wartime these "spies, saboteurs and terrorists" need to be pressured for info...(at least equal to a Marine Corps boot camp circa 1944... with D.I.'s screaming spittle in their "maggot faces", kicking their lazy asses over exhausting obstacles, giving out capricious forced exercise punishments for the least of infractions, handing them no food but lousy gruel, forbidding ALL reading matter, and demanding utter obedience to their every command) ... and then executed.
You can't trust them to be "turned" as informants or double-agents (the Religion of Taqiyya lies). And we can't exchange them for the prisoners from our side (because it's too hard to re-attach human heads with current medical technology for the trade to be of value to us).
Otherwise, I like 99% of your suggestions.
Let's hope the next U.S. election gets someone closer to the surface of reality on some ticket.
The pickens , in the interim, look mighty slim.
(With apologies to the late Stanley Kubrick.)
Meanwhile, the "No one here but us chickens" follies continue. (In every sense.)
I disagree; there are a lot of similarities between Islam and Christianity. Both beleive in the duality of an afterlife and judgement under a single god, in conjuction with a corporeal world which is what we are in right now. Both believe in right and wrong, heavan and earth, and in Satan as well. They are actually very similar religions, they only differ in the harshness and rigidity of their teachings.
I haven't read the Qur'an, but I have studied Islam a bit, certainly not very much, but somehow I doubt that it explicitly tells Muslims to do these things. In fact, from what I have learned, the Qur'an seems to suggest otherwise. It is the psychotic fringe who take certain passages out of context and contort them to their own motives which create the problems.... same with Christianity.
Similarly, nowhere in the Bible does it say that Catholic priests should play with the willies of their 10 year old students, but they end up doing it anyways.
There are Muslim fanatical lunatics, and there are Christian fundamental lunatics.
Christian missionaries travelling to all corners of the world to spread the word of God (aka genocide) ===== cult
Islamic militants blowing up western infrastructure in their Jihad to do better and please Allah, and to spread Islam (aka genocide) ====== cult
Jewish settlers kicking out Palestinians from their land (aka genocide), somehow using scriptures to justify the validity and righteousness of this ====== cult
In short, religion ======= cult
They just differ in degrees.
I don't think we are embarking on a new world war, but things are only going to get worse.
Saudi Arabia is going to be a basket case. 40 million people, or whatever it is, who have no professional training, they get foreigners to come in and do all their work for them. In 50 years their oil will run out. They have destroyed their fisheries. They have no arable land. In short, they have nothing besides oil. When the west pulls out, we will have a 40 million strong soup just churning out angry, poverty-stricken Islamic militants.
Mark134-
Until all those Christian and Jewish suicide bombers cut it out, you've made a real valid point.
Oh, wait, they have. Around 1690 A.D.
So, it's just those crazy Muslims?
Oh, yeah. Bummer...
Like, dude, in London.
Or dude, Madrid. Or dude, the streets of Baghdad, daily. Or dude, Bali. Or dude, Istanbul. Or dude, Casablanca. Or New York City, dude.
Why don't we worry about the REAL problem at hand.
And not the mythical 'moral equivalency' that doesn't exist. (Cut off any heads on the internet for Jesus lately?)
Once time machines are invented, you can go back and kick about the Inquisition. Or the zealots at Masada bothering the poor Roman conscripts.
Meantime, time to read "Mark 7:15-19", Mark.
It's the Koran, stupid.
Mark134-
Until all those Christian and Jewish suicide bombers cut it out, you've made a real valid point.
Oh, wait, they have. Around 1690 A.D.
So, it's just those crazy Muslims?
Oh, yeah. Bummer...
Like, dude, in London.
Or dude, Madrid. Or dude, the streets of Baghdad, daily. Or dude, Bali. Or dude, Istanbul. Or dude, Casablanca. Or New York City, dude.
Why don't we worry about the REAL problem at hand.
And not the mythical 'moral equivalency' that doesn't exist. (Cut off any heads on the internet for Jesus lately?)
Once time machines are invented, you can go back and kick and scream about the Inquisition. Or those zealots at Masada bothering the poor Roman conscripts.
Meantime, time to read "Mark 7:15-19", Mark.
It's the Koran, stupid.
Everytime I send an email on this subject to the least favorite of my two senators, the eternally clueless Ms. Boxer, I include, at it's conclusion,
IT'S THE QUR'AN, STUPID!
Perhaps the emails aren't getting through, as she has yet to respond.
The only similarities between Judeism and Christianity and Islam.... all three started in the Middle East. Yes Christianity had its problems over the years, (inquisitions and what not), and yes, the Egyptians asked the Jews to leave Egypt, because they made such lousy slaves and all sorts of bad things happened (to the Egyptians) while they were kept in Egypt. But since then those two religions have "mellowed" a bit. Islam on the other hand has had 14 centuries of Murder, Rape and Pillage, with no forseeable end to it. We need to break that "black rock" so that the Muslims can see that allah cant even protect his most sacred shrine. It needs to be vaporized, so that when they face it to pray, they are finally looking up, instead of pointing their asses up. It is Ironic, that we, who jealously guard the right to worship (or not) God in anyway you chose, are going to be the ones to destroy this "faith".
The really sad part about it all, is when this is finally over, the death toll will be in the in the hundreds of millions or even a couple billion or so.
After 9/11 Bush messed up our response to the Act of War Islam threw at our faces.
He called the enemy a "Religion of Peace", and confused our troops, all riled up to inflict hell, who now didn't know where to point their guns. Instead of bringing the full force of our retailiation on our enemy we bent backwards to pander to them, like in a Kafka nightmare where the predators who eat the sheep are treated like VIPs by the sheep, even making it unlawful to profile them, slapping fines on airlines who acted to protect themselves from potential terrorists. And we go chasing after individuals in the mountains.
It's like trying to cure a cold by removing the snoot. You wipe up the symptoms of the disease but do nothing to attack its source. The snoot will keep on coming endlessly.
The individuals in the mountains are the snoot of this virulent disease we call Islamic Terrorism. They are all over the world now, and they will keep on adding to our pile of innocent human carnage - in London, Thailand, India, Africa, Madrid, Bali, America, the Middle East. You can't wipe these muslim terrorists up fast enough. You don't have the resources to run down the clues from each atrocity, each beheading, each bombing, to trace them to the individuals who committed them.
But you know their source - Islam.
Islam is a disease in the body of mankind. A criminal ideology that sanctions the murder, rape, and pillage of any non-muslim whose "blood, property, and land" are free for a muslim to take. And whose agenda is to subjugate every man, woman, and child on Earth to its hellish domination.
Islam is criminal. And seditious. We should criminalise it.
Criminalise Islam.
That is striking at the source of this evil we call Islamic Terrorism. Chasing after individuals is fine. But if we are brain-using sentient beings, we will realise that it is like swatting mosquitoes in a swamp. We will spend the next 1000 years, devastating national treasuries, fighting and tracking down terrorist individuals. We need to drain the swamp. That means simply - criminalise Islam.
It is not uncivilised to call the enemy by its real name. It is the only way civilizations stay alive. Because if you don't name your enemy, you can't fight him. And instead of striking your enemy, you go off chasing his countless, endless shadows. Killing its shadows, bringing its shadows to justice, only to be utterly flummoxed by how ineffective that is, with hundreds of them in jail, how come we are still getting 7/7s, 3/11s, 9/11s, why does it feel like we are swatting individual mosquitoes in a swamp?
Islam is a criminal ideology. We criminalise it. It is a natural thing to do. Call it self-preservation of society, any civilised society would do that.
We don't kill people, we don't lynch people. People who wish to practice it should be free to leave for an Islamic country of their choice. Call it asylum. The West has been on the receiving end, to its detriment. Now it is the Islamic countries' turn, to receive their own ummah.
I hope London 7/7 would not be a repeat of New York 9/11, where ours leaders send us off chasing mosquitoes while the swamp remains in our midst, endlessly spewing forth these muslim vermins who would continue to add to our pile of human carnage, while we look on helplessly and hopelessly, at each round of atrocity... and the media worries about protecting their rights.
Enough already.
Drain. The. Swamp.
The ONLY reason there is any similarity between Judeo-Christian views and Islam is because Muhammad concocted it as such. He had his parchment and pen out often during his early life, I'm sure, scribbling notes taken from his Christian cousin and the local Jewish merchants that he came to hate so much later on.
Do you get it yet?
Islam is a lie, a cult, a farce, the most scandalous doppleganger of an ideology ever pressed upon the human psyche.
Stop being blind.
Thank God the creator blessed me with more grey matter, because even these many centuries past I can see through Muhammad's treachery like one might gaze through cellophane.
I haven't read the Qur'an, but I have studied Islam a bit, certainly not very much, but somehow I doubt that it explicitly tells Muslims to do these things.
What? You doubt that it tells muslims to do these things? The first thing you should do is read the qur'an. Then you will be able to speak with a little knowledge on the subject. How do you study islam "a bit" without reading their texts?
Amir Taheri makes some solid points regarding why the jihadists do what they do and why.
I recently read a very interesting article by Lee Harris at www.techcentralstation.com that gave me pause. The 7/8/05 article, "War In Pieces: The Blood Feud", throws an entirely different light on the "war" with the Islamofascists, and Harris in turn offers some exceptional insights that I can find no arguement with.
Read it. I think you'll agree.
OBL R US:
The only meaning of "R US" that people know is "ARE US", not "OR US". You made a major faux pas in devising your nick there, buddy.
OBL R US:
The only meaning of "R US" that people know is "ARE US", not "OR US". You made a major faux pas in devising your nick there, buddy.
I disagree; there are a lot of similarities between Islam and Christianity. Both beleive in the duality of an afterlife and judgement under a single god, in conjuction with a corporeal world which is what we are in right now. Both believe in right and wrong, heavan and earth, and in Satan as well. They are actually very similar religions, they only differ in the harshness and rigidity of their teachings.
Posted by Mark134
Mark, you can disagree all you want but YOU ARE WRONG! And speaking of right and wrong, did you know that the only sin egregious enough to keep a muslim out of Paradise is the practice of polytheism and in Islam, polytheism includes Christianity because Islam considers the Holy Trinity to be three separate deities. Islam not only condones rape, polygamy, murder, genocide, slavery, torture, terrorism, lying, plundering and pillage, and thievery, IT DEMANDS THESE ATROCITIES. Bestiality, incest, and pedophilia aren't compulsory, but are allowable and not considered sinful.
Islam enslaves women but men are free to commit every perversion and sin known to man, as long as they play by the rules set forth by Islam. For every filthy, despicable, immoral act they engage in, there is a ritual and a prayer to the god of death and bloodlust to sanctify their heathen practices.
You are pathetically misinformed about Islam. Read the Satanic Qur'an and if that does not make you sick enough, read all of Islam's canonical texts. You will learn for yourself that Christianity and Islam are like light and darkness, or to be more precise, good and immeasurable evil. There is not one iota of goodness, compassion, hope, joy, peace, morality, decency, beauty, or grace in the unholy Qur'an. It is a war manifesto and a guide to perversion and brutality.