"The benefit bombers who repaid help with hatred: They came into this country as child refugees but grew up to plot mass murder," from the Times Online, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
ON THE rundown North London housing estate where they lived, they were known as idlers and petty criminals who passed their time playing football and smoking marijuana.Residents of Curtis House in New Southgate regarded Muktar Said-Ibrahim and Yasin Hassan Omar as feckless young men living aimlessly on state benefits.
Ibrahim had served time in Huntercombe Young Offenders’ Institution, Oxfordshire, according to Whitehall sources, and Omar, was known as a shoplifter.
As children, both fled civil war and bloody conflict in Eritrea and Somalia for the safe refuge of Britain. Yet they came to hate their adopted homeland so much that they volunteered for suicide bombing missions.
In preparing for “martyrdom” Ibrahim, 27, and Omar, 24, had turned the tower block that they shared with hundreds of people into a terrorist safe house and a bomb factory. Forensic science teams have found traces of explosives in flat No 58 and the rubbish chute as well as a substantial cache of bombmaking chemicals in a lock-up garage.
Read it all.
They were "good Muslims!"
But don't take my word for it: Just ask King Tollerschwanz and Ia, they'll tell you!
This was their Jizya - they were collecting their tax, their due from the kaffirs as Allah promised them.
Omar Bakri also receives welfare benefits from the English government (see http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004667.php ).
It is obvious that these muslim folks view this payment as jizya and not as welfare.
How could a muslim possibly maintain his honor if he thought otherwise?
Sorry Zico,
I have basically repeated your post.
They were directionless young men that were duped and used by Islam to turn on the only country that had shown them any real hope. It is a sad commentary on Islam as perhaps on Western culture as well. Although I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Western culture offers many options, even in Southgate, if only people have enough courage to take them.
f.g. - These "sad young men" are following the mandate of the Koran and the example of the "perfect man," Mohammed.
Re: "One former friend, a member of the same criminal gang, said that Ibrahim turned to radical Islam after meeting fellow Muslim inmates in jail."
It's time to segregate the hard core Islamists from the rest of the prison population and Muslims from non-Muslims as well. Prison is full of slopeydopes ideal for recruitment.
If I promise not to engage in terrorism, and not even to darken England's door, but to contentedly remain pacifically on this side of the Atlantic, may I apply for benefits from this exceptionally kind British government? It is most appealing.
Hugh, these guys may have been collecting their jizy as Zico says, but they were just like any other welfare bums because they all resent the society that so generously provides for them.
However, you could collect and still be more than thankful, I'm sure. If you can provoke some more hate mail from a few of the trolls, you can probably even put on a good case for political asylum. It carries no stigma, and I think the benefits are better than the ordinary dole.
You should apply in person, then leave later by private sailboat for France. That way you will not have any exit stamp in your passport from British immigration. It is easy to re-enter the same way, if you avoid the custom of flying the yellow quarantine flag from the starboard spreader to alert the customs and immigration authorities. That way your passport gives the appearance that you have never left. Don't worry about getting caught. Terrorists do this all the time.
Let me know when you get established. I'll want to come visit while you're still there.
How long have can these terrorists hide if they do not have support from thier communities? They just cought one rat today in his in his neighborhood. it took a week. There are clear pictures of these guys yet all the people in is community didnt recognize him? What aboput all of the others on the lamb? As far as i am concerned by the length of time it is taking to capture these guys confirms my belief that england is rife with terror sympathizers and collaberators within the islamic community. boadening the measures will be the only responce to a terror sympathy an collaberation by muslims in england. shortly you may have to round them all up and intern the lot of them.
You mean the Poms were paying their jizya tax and they still got attacked????
This is also in the Koran.
While you are weak persue peace, but as soon as you are able break any contracts and begin the Assualt..
Why are we surprised...
Its in the Koran.
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
How do you think they could afford all that nifty, but somewhat pricey bomb-making material? The rucksacks? The train fare? The ferry tickets for their escape to the continent? (One is supposed now already hiding in Amsterdam... probably urinating on the spot where Theo Van Gogh was slaughtered.)
They just coverted the dole money into a form more fitting for infidels: explosives.
TYPO- "converted"
(Although, perhaps I should have said "reverted"?)
THINK OF ALL THOSE MULSUMS NOW IN MAINE??
WHAT WAS THAT A YEAR OR SO I HEARD ABOUT ALL THEM SOMMILES GOING TO MAINE????
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
REMEMBER
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of August, 1992, they refer to "the abominable double game of the Muslims that makes the war in Bosnia even more cruel," pointing out that the bread line massacre was committed by the Muslims. Corriere Della Sera says that: "Everything indicates that the defenders of Sarajevo, the Croats • and the Muslims, organised several attacks against their own citizens in the hope that in this way that they are going to deepen the drama of Sarajevo and the blame will only be cast on the Serbs."
THE INTERPRETER: Could the accused please be asked to slow down.
JUDGE MAY: Slow down. Slow down.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that - I remember his words - "ruthless ingeniosity." However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I'll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won't have time. I won't have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you
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just place these two images on the overhead projector -- or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I'm not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That's it. That's what they did. That's what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What's the matter? Is it not on the screens?
JUDGE MAY: It's on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven't seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
JUDGE MAY: It's on our screen. Make sure you've got the right button.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don't want to show this. You don't want to show this to the public.
JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It's not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there
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and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.
JUDGE MAY: The usher is by the overhead projector. Do you want some other photographs shown to us?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, Mr. May. I have 12 minutes left --
JUDGE MAY: Very well.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] -- according to your shortened procedure. But I want to say one thing to you. For example --
JUDGE MAY: Let the usher -- there's no need for the usher to remain there. Give the photographs back, if you would, to Mr. Milosevic.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] Put the other picture on the ELMO, • please, the one with the three heads. Take a look at this, these three heads of Serbs in an ammunition case. They cut off heads. These are the madmen that are doing things like that. And that is what Clinton's policy in Bosnia did. They were assembled in Bosnia. Look at Algeria, which is a Muslim country. How many Muslims, • Algerians, did they kill so far? This has nothing do with Muslims. These are Islamic fundamentalists who are the enemies of the entire world. Not only of Christians or some others but of Muslims as well. You have --
JUDGE MAY: Now, do you want any other pictures shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, unfortunately,
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for any other pictures, but I do want to say one thing to you, that --
JUDGE MAY: Very well, let the usher take the pictures.
THINK OF ALL THOSE MULSUMS NOW IN MAINE??
WHAT WAS THAT A YEAR OR SO I HEARD ABOUT ALL THEM SOMMILES GOING TO MAINE????
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
REMEMBER
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of August, 1992, they refer to "the abominable double game of the Muslims that makes the war in Bosnia even more cruel," pointing out that the bread line massacre was committed by the Muslims. Corriere Della Sera says that: "Everything indicates that the defenders of Sarajevo, the Croats • and the Muslims, organised several attacks against their own citizens in the hope that in this way that they are going to deepen the drama of Sarajevo and the blame will only be cast on the Serbs."
THE INTERPRETER: Could the accused please be asked to slow down.
JUDGE MAY: Slow down. Slow down.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that - I remember his words - "ruthless ingeniosity." However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I'll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won't have time. I won't have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you
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just place these two images on the overhead projector -- or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I'm not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That's it. That's what they did. That's what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What's the matter? Is it not on the screens?
JUDGE MAY: It's on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven't seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
JUDGE MAY: It's on our screen. Make sure you've got the right button.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don't want to show this. You don't want to show this to the public.
JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It's not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there
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and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.
JUDGE MAY: The usher is by the overhead projector. Do you want some other photographs shown to us?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, Mr. May. I have 12 minutes left --
JUDGE MAY: Very well.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] -- according to your shortened procedure. But I want to say one thing to you. For example --
JUDGE MAY: Let the usher -- there's no need for the usher to remain there. Give the photographs back, if you would, to Mr. Milosevic.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] Put the other picture on the ELMO, • please, the one with the three heads. Take a look at this, these three heads of Serbs in an ammunition case. They cut off heads. These are the madmen that are doing things like that. And that is what Clinton's policy in Bosnia did. They were assembled in Bosnia. Look at Algeria, which is a Muslim country. How many Muslims, • Algerians, did they kill so far? This has nothing do with Muslims. These are Islamic fundamentalists who are the enemies of the entire world. Not only of Christians or some others but of Muslims as well. You have --
JUDGE MAY: Now, do you want any other pictures shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, unfortunately,
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for any other pictures, but I do want to say one thing to you, that --
JUDGE MAY: Very well, let the usher take the pictures.
An estimated 60% of Dutch Muslim immigrants are on welfare. Even if the numbers aren't quite as high in England, the point remains, what benefit does society accrue in allowing these people in? Obviously, Europeans have stopped having children and need immigrants to fill the labor market. But if a majority or a significant minority of immigrants are not inclined to work, then the enterprise is clearly a failure.
Bloated welfare budgets are testimony of a sort.....but the real legacy of mindless immigration policies is mass murder (London) and political assassination (Theo).
Oh Europe, when will you awaken from your slumber?
A bit of British History:
`On learning of this glorious, gallant and unparalleled action, members of both houses of the British Parliament rose in unison to pay homage to the great Indian soldiers. Each one of the 21 soldiers was posthumously awarded the Indian Order of Merit, the highest British gallantry award then given to Indian (equivalent to the Victoria Cross awarded to the British).
The story of this epic battle is taught to school children in France and is one of the eight stories of collective bravery published by UNESCO.
http://www.zafarnama.com/Pages/Saragrahi.html
And after all that the Brits looked favourably on importing muslims (probably cos they were `wayward` christians).
And now it`s harvest time.
Catherine, The evidence of the slaughter of the Serbs is easy to find on the web. Just Google "beheaded Serbs /muslims", and all manner of horrors comes up. I guess since it was muslims doing the killing it was PC to ignore the deaths. I still can't believe we went to war to defend islamic murderers.
Vecernje Novosti, Belgrade
15.06.2005. 17:42:12
"Meho's Camera" too brutal for The Hague
By Veljko Lalic
14.06.2005, 17:57:41
The Hague Tribunal refused to show "Meho's Camera". Because of the brutality. The Vecernji Novosti news team viewed a private video recording of members of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Bosniak (Muslim) Army, including the entire sequence of the bestial murder of Republika Srpska Army Warrant Officer Rade Rogica.
Truly, the material is not for broadcasting. Yesterday only the reporter and the cameraman from "Novosti" remained in the BK Television studio to the end. Even Miodrag Popov, war correspondent, who played all the videos for us, could not watch the recording to the end.
The material begins with a sequence of a mujahedin smoking marijuana. The next scene shows an entire village in smoke. Luckily, none of the civilians remained. Muslim soldiers enter every house. "I'll f*ck your (mother's) breast," they say at the entrance to each home. Ten or so soldiers vie to loot the homes. They load up their jeeps with all manner of things.
New sequence. No village to be seen. About thirty soldiers are singing some sort of battle song. It is fairly garbled, with the exception of "...do not be afraid of the chetniks (Serbs)... and... Serbian blood..."
They even set fire to a haystack they happen to pass. Total destruction. "This is Hamza's army of liberation," a voice can be heard from the crowd. And so (they go)... from village to village. Incredible scenes. Apocalypse, both then and now. And forever...
Suddenly the camera approaches a group of soldiers. They've formed a circle. In the center - a prisoner.
A blow of the fist. The camera is still at a distance of some twenty meters. Another blow of the fist. Close up shot. (The prisoner) is Rade Rogic. A member of the Radnicki Battalion. Born in 1957 in Sanski Most. He got lost. This is his last appearance on video.
A young mujahedin, or at least someone introduced as such, with a green band around his forehead, is questioning him. He speaks excellent Serbian.
"Do you know me?" he asks Rogic.
"I don't!" says Rogic.
"Where do you think I'm from?" he continues, practically growling through his teeth.
About ten young soldiers are standing over Rogic and laughing. They say he is a mujahedin. Rogic remains calm to the extent that is possible. He tries to reason with them, to find at least something human in his executioners. He raises his hand, as if to say, what is happening to you, and to find himself awaking in some other film.
But blows return him to reality.
"Why am I here?" the obviously "domestic" mujahedin continues his questioning.
He strikes him with his fists, grabs him by the hair, apparently cannot decide in his fury what to do with him.
"I guess you came to fight, f*ck it!" answers Rogic.
Another blow.
"How old are you?" a new voice interjects.
"I'm thirty-two," the Serbian prisoner replies calmly.
"So what are you doing here?" the "mujahedin" asks him.
The volley of blows continues. Rogic raises his hand. He defends himself reflexively. "Why?" he says. As soon as the blows stop, he lowers his arm.
"Where have you been?" continues the man with a green band around his forehead.
"In the forest, f*ck it."
"So what are you doing in the forest?" he continues with the questions and blows.
"Let's go, let's go," shouts someone from the crowd.
Rogic is still speaking: "Well, if anyone had bothered to ask you and me we probably wouldn't be here..."
Some one hits him repeatedly in the ears.
"Don't say f*ck it, I'll f*ck your mother!" he screams.
"That's a really bad habit you have (swearing)," says another, as he holds him by the hair and anticipates the moment he will end it all.
He pulls him by the hair toward the ground, striking him several times behind the ear.
"Cut him there, cut him there!"
The mujahedin intervenes, ordering Rogic to shout "Allahu akhbar" (Allah is great).
"Don't, don't, don't..." are the last words of Warrant Officer Rade Rogic.
The crushed skull remains between two stones. Although the quality of the video is poor, one can clearly distinguish three long slashes: one across the neck, a second across the mouth, and a third across the forehead. Posing for the camera, the mujahedin grabs him by the hair. He raises the head. To show off his work. Laughter can be heard.
The next scene is in a yard somewhere.
"Hey, did you kill him, did you f*ck his mother?" a voice can be heard.
A big close up shot of the killer. He's holding a rifle. Blows up his cheeks. The look of a total idiot. He suddenly rises. He runs and raises both hands towards the sky...
"Allahu akhbar!" he screams...
He turns towards the soldiers and continues, "Let's go, let's go..."
(Translated June 15, 2005 by sib)
One more link -
http://www.webheaven.co.yu/usa/hague96.htm
All the articles about beheading reminded me of what someone said here the other day. I think it was ia that said beheading was "the honorable way to kill someone on the battlefield" or something to that effect. Well, we know that to behead someone is meant to strike terror in the enemy, it has nothing to do with "honor".
Hutchrun
Those brave soldiers were Sikhs - truly great soldiers are the Sikhs - and Britain has a large Sikh community and they have integrated really well, and many of them serve in the British Army.
Zico
Have you noticed that the BBC wesite has run a cooouple of nice pieces about Sikhs and Hindus today and yesterday. A Sikh womens group and a new Hindu temple in the West Midlands which is having trouble recruiting English speaking pujaris. Nice positive pieces about decent positive people, who the BBC describes as, you guessed, Asians. I said a few days ago that I wondered if the BBC had realised at last that they ought to be on the winning side in this war. Now I wonder if they are not being a bit sneaky and manipulative. Reasoning thus:-
Sikhs and Hindus are Asian.
Sikhs and Hindus are generally fine and decent citizens.
Here are some positive things done by Sikh and Hindu Asians.
Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims are also from Asia.
Therefore they must also be fine and decent citizens.
What do you think?
Granny
I think your reasoning is sound - and I also think that Indians are getting well and truly annoyed now with being described as Asian, it is something my Indian friends are talking about even more now.
Note on the news reports and in the newspapers how many times the word is used as a substitute for Muslim and you will see what I mean - terribly lazy - it actually hides more than it reveals now.
Yes I did read both articles - they were lovely and I especially liked the one about the Sikh 'angels' trying to raise money for a community centre for women of all faiths (when are you ever going to see Pakistanis doing that - never)
But the article about the Hindu temple shows how these laws brought in to prevent stupid illiterate psychopath Mullahs from Pakistan coming to preach hatred have affected Hindus because there are not enough priests who can speak English well enough as well as being conversant in ancient Sanskrit to say their prayers - as if Hindu priests are going to preach separatism or hatred of British society! It is another example of how Hindus and Sikhs are losing out because of their association with Pakistanis.
Did you read the news about how in New York a couple of days ago a group of Sikh lads from Birmingham on holiday were marched off a tourist bus at gunpoint after somebody called the police. Obviously they thought - brown skin - British accents blah blah blah.
But look at the reaction of the Brummie lads:
"These things happen, don't they?" said the man, who gave his name as Jas, 39. "We have no hard feelings. It certainly made our trip different, but didn't ruin it at all."
The tourists were all members of the Sikh religion who grew up together in Birmingham, England. Jas said he planned to return to New York in December to celebrate his 40th birthday. "I'm definitely coming back," he said.
See what I mean? Can you imagine the sinister bitter and nasty insinuations of violence you would get if it was Muslims who that happened to? And they are totally chilled out about, no hard feelings, dont get a chip on their shoulder or scream about colonialism - they even say how much they still love America and dont make a big thing about it, play it down.
What a farce to classify these people with Pakistanis - when in attitude, humour and everything they are so different.
I say the BBC should do more stories like that and give them a voice - they get the backlash and they still smile and just get on with life - I reckon they are a credit to the British nation - and a living repudiation of the wicked lie that British society is to blame for Muslim 'alienation' - every Indian success story is a poke in the eye to that stupid canard.
And another thing - the headline "Hate crimes 'rise after UK bombs" All that has risen is the number of reports to the Islamic Human Rights Commission - not those reported to police. The London Evening Standard has been told that the number has not increased overall. How do they define a faith crime anyway? When someone broke victorian stained glass windows at my parish church, and numerous instances of pilfering is that a faith crime, or vandalism? I bet it was not considered a faith crime. The next time Fathers Christmas' expenses are nicked I'm screaming faith crime I think.
"If I promise not to engage in terrorism, and not even to darken England's door, but to contentedly remain pacifically on this side of the Atlantic, may I apply for benefits from this exceptionally kind British government? It is most appealing.:
Posted by: Hugh
As the old evangelicals used to say -- I BRING GOOD NEWS!
Hugh - you don't even need to foreswear terrorism!!! In fact, given the profile of these idle young men, not to mention tens of thousands of others on the dole who are clearly "radical" Muslims (a tautology if ever I heard one...and not in the sense of circumamage but of repetition...) terrorist sympathies or willingness to conduct terrorist operations may be a requirement in the UK to receive the dole. You probably would have to reside in the UK, or do a good job of pretending to do so... But go for it !! -- I'm considering doing the same (sans terrere...)
circumambage -- sorry... bad typing skills