Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

I really don't get this. How can any Western Government take these guys seriously. We all know that the Indian government is seriously lacking any common sense to put it mildly, but honestly, with all these Jihadiis, where are the Moderates????

Honestly, there are no Moderate muslims, because you never see them trying to stop the Jihadiis. The Moderates only try to make people like us quiet, thus protecting the Jihad.

After the job is finished in Iraq, I am sure this guy will preach for a Jihad in Australia if he hasn't already. Its only a matter of time.

"the next Oda Nobunaga, the next Cao Cao...."
--- from a posting above

Leaving aside whether Oda Nobunaga or Cao Cao from East Asia qualify as part of the West (or Rommel, fighting for a regime that had no use for Western civilization) this business of Islam is not to be defeated by military means alone, or even mainly -- as long as those conducting Jihad are prevented from acquiring the kind of weapons that can do great damage.

Surely it is a matter of checking the use of all the instruments of Jihad, which depends on money, on Muslims continuing to migrate behind enemy (Infidel) lines, on unhindered Da'wa, and on overbreeding, ordinarily at the expense of Infidel taxpayers, not without calculation, in order to islamize those lands, or at least to neutralize them in the world-wide Jihad -- lands which could not be conquered outright through military means.

Caesar... Napoleon... Rommel...
Someone round here is quite fond of military tyrants who fail and come to a bad end, and leave their countries civil war and collapse as an inheritance. Apologies to Rommel, who was personally an honourable man and died a martyr, but I suspect that it is someone else whom we are supposed to be waiting for.

A.G.F. III-

The only thing Rommel ever did that was any good was joining the plot to overthrow Hitler. It got him a forced suicide as a reward. (Better than the 16mm-recorded piano wire dances of MANY of his captured colleagues, I suppose.)

Let's find some better models for opposing this infiltration and undermining of the freedom-loving Civilization of the world (the "West", and their intellectual allies).

Churchill and FDR and Truman did a pretty good job of bagging two global despotic tyrannical nightmare regimes (and a deformed clone in Italy).

And their greatest weapon- a functioning and aggressive and sophisticated intelligence service ("Enigma" machine and "Red" code breakthroughs essentially doing the work of a hundred battalions).

Charles Martel and even Ataturk have things to recommend them more than a failed Nazi.

But, primarily, we need people who can read history in the raw, and not get babyfood puree 'reports' from insipid middlemen.

Those who do not digest the past are doomed to re-eat it.

But neither one defines who is innocent.
Robert at August 4, 2005 09:12 AM

Definition of innocent: Attempt 1: (Refinements to be tried based on feedback)
Any person who does not help an enemy of the Muslims in any way is an innocent.

Under mohideen's definition I am not an innocent because:

I support the constitutional form of representative government of the United States of America and of its individual states;

I particate in free elections that determine the federal, state and local elected officials of the governement of the United States of America and the state in which I reside;

I am a civilian sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the Constitution of the State in which I reside and the laws of the United States of America and the State in which I reside;

I support the rights guaranteed to me under the Constitution of the United States of America and the Constituion of the state in which I reside, including the rights of a free conscious and freedom of thought, the right to petition my government for a redress of grievances, the rights to practice freely my religion and to be free from religion, and the rights to a free press and freedom of speech;

I beleive that all men are created equal and endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness;

Fatwas have been issued by prominent clerics of different sects of islam worldwide proclaiming the United States of America to be an enemy of islam and of muslims;

The government of several islamic nations have declared the United States of America to be an enemy of its governement, of its people (muslims) and of islam;

Therefore, by supporting and participating in the constitutional form of representative government of the United States of America and of the state in which I reside, I am under the definition promulgated by mohideen an enemy of islam and of muslims everywhere.

"Any person who does not help an enemy of the Muslims in any way is an innocent."
-- Mohideen

Everyone in the Dar-al-Harb (House of War, the non-muslim lands) contributes in some way to the country and so are enemies in enemy territory, and therefore not innocent, and licit for slaughter.

Bloody ideology. Has no place in any civilised society. More and more people are realising this now. We'll remove this cancer from the body of mankind.

Unfortunatly we may have to face the fact that
Any Muslim in our country will be supected of being a terrorist supporter.

If the USA is hit hard as a lot of security officials are saying the islamic terrorist are going to do.

It will turn into a blood bath as americans ina rage WILL take it out on all Muslims reguardless of who they supported.

America is a good nation not always perfect by no means. But the more we see these islamic clerics
Comming to our country.
Then demanding and going onto welfare.
Then teaching their followers that is ok to kill ouir soldiers and policemen in the name of Islam

Americans are getting sick and tired of hearing this Islamic filth being taught and will respond.

The muslims better clean up their house and quick or we WILL do it for them

Therefore, by supporting and participating in the constitutional form of representative government of the United States of America and of the state in which I reside, I am under the definition promulgated by mohideen an enemy of islam and of muslims everywhere.
Lisa at August 4, 2005 01:18 PM

From http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/ we find:
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U.S. Constitution: First Amendment
First Amendment - Religion and Expression
Amendment Text
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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The First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees the “Freedonm of Faith.” That is exactly the freedom guaranteed by 2:256 of the Holy Quran.
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2: 256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
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The US Constitution expresses the spirit of 2:256 in different words. Yes, there is a difference in terms of the legality of polygamy. From http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/05.html#2 we find:
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The Belief-Conduct Distinction .--While the Court has consistently affirmed that the Free Exercise Clause protects religious beliefs, protection for religiously motivated conduct has waxed and waned over the years. The Free Exercise Clause ''embraces two concepts-- freedom to believe and freedom to act. The first is absolute, but in the nature of things, the second cannot be.'' 189 In its first free exercise case, involving the power of government to prohibit polygamy, the Court invoked a hard distinction between the two, saying that although laws ''cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices.''
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Does the restriction on polygamy go against Islam? No. Consider 24:32 of the Holy Quran quoted below:
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Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among your slaves, male or female: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.
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If a Muslim is to marry another single person, where is polygamy? The Holy Quran indeed permits polygamy in 4:3 quoted below.
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If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess. That will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
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The above permission was issued on the occasion of the Battle of Uhud in which many Muslims were martyred leaving behind large number orphan women. To avoid their lapsing into prostitution, the above permission was granted. As the Supreme Court is asked to reconsider the permission to have elective abortion, in a future date if there is a need, May God Almighty save us from such an eventuality, we are confident that the Supreme Court might reconsider the issue of polygamy, not as a matter of right, but as a matter of public benefit.

Thus, obeying and safe-guarding the US Constitution that guarantees the “Freedom of Faith,” does not make a person lose innocence. Indeed the citizen of any country that guarantees the “Freedom of Faith,” does not lose innocence.

Fatwas have been issued by prominent clerics of different sects of islam worldwide proclaiming the United States of America to be an enemy of islam and of muslims;
The government of several islamic nations have declared the United States of America to be an enemy of its governement, of its people (muslims) and of islam;
Lisa at August 4, 2005 01:18 PM

We need to study these fatwas. Are these issued on the basis of the US Constitution or on the basis of the current actions of the US Government?

Everyone in the Dar-al-Harb (House of War, the non-muslim lands) contributes in some way to the country and so are enemies in enemy territory, and therefore not innocent, and licit for slaughter.
sonshiya at August 4, 2005 01:28 PM

The only definition of Dar-al-Harb (House of War) that is valid until the Day of Judgment is the one given by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, as stated in Tradition numbered 193 in volume 4 of Sahih Al-Bukhari quoted below:
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Narrated Anas
Whenever Allah's Apostle attacked some people, he would never attack them till it was dawn. If he heard the Adhan (i.e. call for prayer) he would delay the fight, and if he did not hear the Adhan, he would attack them immediately after dawn. We reached
Khaibar at night.
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Any land which permits Muslims to practice their religious worship can never be Dar-al-Harb. We hear the Adhan from innumerable mosques inside USA. How could USA be a Dar-al-Harb?

Mohideen: That's fair, I'll expand upon your definition:
Any person who does not help an enemy of the Muslims in any way is an innocent and is a friend to the very one to whom the Muslims pay homage, Satan
evanew at August 4, 2005 12:48 PM

Dear evanew,
Kindly stand corrected: Muslims pay homage to God Almighty and not to Satan.

jingoist - in Australia last night on a Current Affairs program they ran a survey - "Should Muslims be profiled"

The result??

80% said YES

20% said NO.

Maybe the populace is starting to wake up.

Mohideen Ibramsha - you take the context of the US constitution out of the time and atmosphere that it was written.

While I'm no Yank, (come to think of it - you being a Muslim means you aren’t either) the constitution was written at a time when Christianity, not the current Atheism/Humanism dominated the US landscape. As such it is a safe bet to say that the Yanks who wrote the US constitution would never have allowed in you whacko Mohammedians.

Catholics Yes.
Protestants Yes.

But I dare say that the founders of the US, not being indoctrinated with Humanist/Leftist Revisionist History, were only oh so aware of what Islam is.

As for Freedom of Religion, Islam doesn't count, as it is also a political ideology, just like the atheist religion of Communism. Both seek to control the will of the individual. Not give freedom.

Interesting Mo, that you use the Koran to approve of more than one wife, I suppose you also support all the verses about slavery as well, and how you can also bonk the brains out of your slave girls (no doubt being a good Mohammedian, you also support sex with 9 year olds like Mo did - as he was a pedophile).

People who follow such an ideology have no place in the West, that's why God gave us Saudi Arabia, so that people like you can live there, and not here in the West.

Freedom of religion you say? Quoting the Koran??? What about all the later verses that abrogate that? What happened to the 1 MILLION Armenian Christians in Turkey (that moderate Muslim nation) in the early 1900’s???

What about

“Strike off their heads. Strike off their fingertips!…..because they defied God and his Apostle” Koran 8:12-13) or “When the scared months are other slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them; and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent (aka convert) and take to prayer and render the alms levy (extortion) allow them to go their way” (Koran 9:5) –

Hmmmmm real peace loving verses there. Read it carefully, its all about RELIGION, not a POLITICAL crisis or a war of politics, its about what to do to PAGANS. If it were about self defense, it would be worded in such a way that religion WOULD NOT EVEN COME INTO IT. But its all about Pagans and “repenting” or else!

9:5 abrogates the earlier verse you quoted Mohideen, so either Mohammed was a liar, or he clearly believed that Allah can abrogate what he said earlier.

Mohideen, do you know what the difference is between the Christian God and the Muslim one??

Allah can do all things – YHWH can’t.

YHWH – cannot lie, unlike Allah, YHWH sticks to His Word, which means He can be trusted. Allah can’t as he goes back on his word, which is why the Koran is so disjointed.
YHWH – sees the beginning from the end, hence all the prophecy in the Bible, there is none in the Koran, which is original and not plagiarized. So YHWH is outside of the time – space dimension, Allah isn’t.

Allah is of Stan, which is why Muslims call out that ‘Allah is Greater” – The Devil said that of himself in relation to God, and you Muslims have been trumpeting it ever since.

Open your eyes Mohideen.

Understand one thing about my views.
I can believe in whatever i wish.
I am not going to force you to belive what i do.
God gave everybody a mind and God even said in his word "Prove me and see if what i say will come to pass"

God Yahweh has no problem with a human being asking questions.

God Yahweh has stated to me "I take no pleasure in the death of any man" (while i was reading the bible")

Now i dont personally care if muslims want to wrap a towel around their head sit in their diapers in a cave chanting to satan "ALLAH"
Its their business...
They will have to answer to God not me..

But when i see this vile religion not only killing in the name of god but then threating every person in our country with death unless we submitt..
Well i tend to believe Americans wont put up with that islamic crap...

And we will Fight...
I do NOT want a war...
But i will NOT live as an islamic slave..
Period... so put that into your islamic craw and think about it we will NOT submitt to this SATANIC vile evil called isalm..
Do i make myself clear...

THE ENEMY - "Satan is consistently represented in the New Testament as the enemy both of God and man. . . . The fundamental moral description of Satan is given by our Lord when He describes Satan as the "evil one" (Mt 13:19,38; compare Isaiah's description of Yahweh as the "Holy One," Isa . 1:4 and often)" [ISBE]
THE TEMPTER - Satan is called "the tempter" a few times in scripture (Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5). The Bible illustrates this device of his in the temptation of Jesus Christ (Matt. 4:1-11). From this we see: 1. He came at a time of weakness (when Jesus had been fasting), 2. He used the three channels of lust, greed and pride *What does Mohammad promise those who followed him?*(1 John 2:16), 3. When resisted he left for a time (James 4:7)
THE DECIEVER - " . . . it is perfectly evident that Satan's power consists principally in his ability to deceive. It is interesting and characteristic that according to the Bible Satan is fundamentally a liar and his kingdom is a kingdom founded upon lies and deceit." [ISBE]*Taqiyya is A-OK with allah* Compare this to the Bible’s emphasis on truth. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)
The first thing we see him doing is deceiving Eve in the garden of Eden. (Gen. 3:1-5) Notice here as well as in the temptation of Christ, it is not a complete lie (or who would believe it?) but rather he twists the truth.
He appears as: "angel of light" 2 Cor 11:13-15, "god of this world" 2 Cor 4:4, "roaring lion" 1 Pet 5:8 *This is who appeared to old mo*
THE ACCUSER - Also, Satan is "the Accuser," hence diabolos "the Devil, Accuser" (Job 1:9; 2:4; Zech 3:1; Rev 12:10). He is like the "prosecuting attorney."
THE FAILURE – Satan is the biggest failure that ever lived. He has been defeated in everything he set out to do. (He backslid before there even was a devil!) *And he will fail again, in his bid to rule this world*

Mohideen, do you know what the difference is between the Christian God and the Muslim one??
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 03:56 PM

There is only one God Almighty. The God of the Holy Bible (the original edition) and the Holy Quran is the same.

*Taqiyya is A-OK with allah*
Carolyn2 at August 4, 2005 05:28 PM

Tradition numbered 1497 of Sunan Abu Dawood clearly establishes that taqiyya (cheating) is not a part of Islam. We quote the Tradition below:
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Narrated AbuHurayrah
The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) having said: Allah, Most High, says: "I make a third with two partners as long as one of them does not cheat the other, but when he cheats him, I depart from them."
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Absolutely no cheating.

Mohideen Ibramsha - you take the context of the US constitution out of the time and atmosphere that it was written.
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 03:56 PM

I have followed the current (today) interpretation of the US Constitution by the US Supreme Court. How have I taken it out of the time and atmosphere?

"There is only one God Almighty. The God of the Holy Bible (the original edition) and the Holy Quran is the same".

The Koran says Allah can DO ALL THINGS. The Bible says God can't lie. Clearly the God of the Koran IS NOT the same as the Allah of the Koran.

Besides Mohideen Ibramsha, if its the same God, whyt do you Muslims, from Turkey to Saudi Arabia, to Indonesia, in every single Muslim country persecute and kill Christians? (not to mention the Jews?)

Turkey used to be all Christian, its not since the Muslims invaded. The same applies to many other parts of Europe, the Balkins and the ME.

The Bible (NT) says Christ is God. The Koran denies it.

Either you are deluded, a liar and deceiver or both. Christ loved the little children and warned about laying ones hands on them in a bad way.

Mohammed laid his hands all over Aisha in a sexual way (and more) when she was nine.

Mohammed murdered people.

Nobody in the Bible dies in Christs presence, he dies for us.

They are not the same God. Christ died on the cross, and Jews (like Christ was one) often turn towards God's city, Jerusalem.

You Muslims turn your back on Jerusalem to face Mecca when you pray.

Mohammed was a warlord who served the Moon God, the Arabian god of war.

Christ was a humble servant, who served the God of mercy and love.

It was not long ago that a pack of pagan moslems, assisted by a number of mainstream Christian (so-called?) churches (hard to believe that they could be so utterly stupid-eh?) took a couple of Christian preachers to court on 'religion hate'charges. This couple of preachers spoke on the dangers of pagan islam. Would you believe that these Christians were convicted - but we do have exceedingly pudding headed judges in this country.Now this pagan teacher makes the statements he did and yet nothing is done. Should this worshipper and teacher of the moon god appear before the clown that found the two Christian preachers guilty the judge would probably wet him/her self. But our Prime Minister has given all of us fridge magnets to combat terrorism so all is well. Also he assures us that these pagan leaders are under constant surveillance so as soon as their bombs detonate they will be picked up. Our Australian Government are even bigger dills than our judiciary I'm afraid. numbat

Abu Bakr? He's dead isn't he? Maybe Bakr is Mahdi, come back to take us out and establish world Islam.
For interesting information on Mahdi, try..

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Spa/7220/al-mahdi.html

And Mohideen...there may be only one God Almighty, but he is 'not' Allah...

3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 10:47 PM
duh_swami at August 5, 2005 12:47 AM

Due to prior commitments I might not be in a position to continue our discussion until Monday, August 8, 2005. Kindly visit this page on Monday to continue our discussion. In the mean time, for all who visit this page, I would like them to consider the following:
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What follows is from
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_allen_l__050731_we_cannot_conquer_ir.htm

WE CANNOT CONQUER IRAQ
Iraq is George Bush's waterloo and he is taking all of us into this black hole of hubris and humiliation
by Allen L Roland, Ph.D
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Bush cannot emotionally deal with the FAILURE word and, indeed, asked Sec of State Powell to leave several months ago because he told Bush that " We are losing the war in Iraq ."
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We are dealing with massive denial here and Bush has now replaced the fictitious menace of Iraq with the equally fictitious menace of an impending bankrupt Social Security system.

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WE CANNOT CONQUER IRAQ

You want an analogy to what we are doing in Iraq ?
How about this letter from William Pitt to the House of Lords on November 18th, 1777.

It's entitled An English Plea For Peace With The American Colonies ;

" My Lords, this ruinous and ignominious situation, where we cannot act with success, nor suffer with honour, calls upon us to remonstrate in the strongest and loudest language of truth, to rescue the ear of Majesty from the delusions which surround it. You cannot, I venture to say, you CANNOT conquer America.

What is your present situation there? We do not know the worst; but we know that in three campaigns we have done nothing and suffered much. You may swell every expense, and strain every effort, still more extravagantly; accumulate
every assistance you can beg or borrow; traffic and barter with every pitiful German Prince, that sells and sends his subjects to the shambles of a foreign country: your efforts are forever vain and impotent-doubly so from this mercenary aid on which you rely; for it irritates to an incurable resentment the minds of your enemies, to overrun them with the sordid sons of rapine and of plunder, devoting them and their possessions to the rapacity of hireling cruelty! If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms! - Never! Never! Never! "

And the Iraqi's will never lay down their arms for that very same reason.

Iraq is George Bush's waterloo and he is dragging all of us with him into this black hole of deceit, hubris, humiliation and heartache.
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The “War on Terrorism,” was ill-conceived; it is turning to be a “War on Islam.” There is no need for a war between different religions. Let us bring the troops home and let us live in peace permitting the different religions to flourish.

Mohideen...All good liars know that the best way to lie, is to tell the truth, except for the most important parts. Stretching the truth untill it is no longer the truth, is another tactic. Obscuring the truth with piles of rubbish, is yet another tactic.
Piercing the vail of Islam is actually easy. It comes naturally to people who have not yet been brainwashed by tiqiyya and kitman or any other name for BS. Once one gets the 'drift'(understands) of Islam, the rest is just details, the devil is in those details. Understanding is superior to believing. "In all your getting, get understanding", says the Bible. 3rdtimelucky and other posters here, (and other places), dont mis-understand Islam. They understand it perfectly.
No ammount of twisting, turning or obscuring will change that.
The Bibles warning, to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, who will mislead many, applys to Islam perfectly. Once that is understood, no debate is possible, because there is nothing to debate.

I am dissapointed at 3rdtimelucky's reply to Mohideen.
I felt that Mohideen was very polite about the way he wrote what he said, but 3rdtimelucky seemed to be sartastic...Although we might feel that Mohideen perhaps doesnt know his Quran, he at least putting his view nicely.
Mohideen, I feel that you have to learn more about your own religion. I know that as with the Bible or anything if it comes to that, one must read verses before and verses after to get the whole context about what is being said. Although I say this I am going to put many of these verses from not only your Quran, but your other books, and perhaps you can read them yourself and the verses before and after...I am a women but have read many of your verses on this subject. This is only a few of the verses..

To kill others is different to suicide in the Quran.. suicide is against Islam, but not martydom...

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.”

Bukhari V4B52N46 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘Allah guarantees that He will admit the Muslim fighter into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and booty.’”
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Read Muhammad's Own Words below

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.’” [Qur’an 8:39]

FIGHTING: and rewards for fighting:

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”

Bukhari:V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”

Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.” Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.’”

Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”

Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”

Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Qur’an 9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Qur’an 8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”

Qur’an 8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”

Qur’an 48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an 48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”

Qur’an 47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”

Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”

Qur’an 5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”

Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”

Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”

Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”

Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”

Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”

Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”

Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’”

Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”

Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.’”

Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”

Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”

Muslim: C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”

Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”

Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”

Bukhari: V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”

Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”

Qur’an 2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”

Qur’an 2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”

Qur’an 2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”

Qur’an 2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?’”

Ishaq:280 “The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah’s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.”

Qur’an 61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”

Bukhari:V4B52N61 “Allah’s Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight.”

Ishaq:398 “Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage.”

Qur’an 3:146 “How many prophets fought in Allah’s Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah’s Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors].”

Ishaq:393 “How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast.”

Qur’an 3:153 “Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you.”

Qur’an 3:154 “Say: ‘Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain.”

Ishaq:440 “Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad’s foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword.”

Ishaq:470 “We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls.”

Qur’an 61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”

Qur’an 61:11 “Come to believe in Allah and His Apostle and struggle in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and person. This will be good for you…. Allah will give you an early victory.”

Qur’an 8:5 “Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting).”

Qur’an 24:53 “They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah’s Cause). Say: ‘Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.’”

Qur’an 4:74 “Let those who fight in Allah’s Cause sell this world’s life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah’s Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.”

Qur’an 4:75 “What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah’s Cause?” [Another translation says:] “What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?”

Qur’an 4:76 “Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah.”

Qur’an 4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”

Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”

Qur’an 4:84 “Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah’s Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you.”

Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”

Qur’an 4:95 “Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward.”

Qur’an 4:100 “He who leaves his home in Allah’s Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy.”

Qur’an 4:102 “When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come—taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.”

Qur’an 4:104 “And do not relent in pursuing the enemy.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

TERRORISM: Muhammads raids, Allah’s Apostle fighting, raiding and killing people collecting booties. Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”

Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”

Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Qur’an 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”

Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, ‘Allahu-Akbar!’ [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.’ Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their children and woman were taken as captives.”

Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”

Ishaq:517 “Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle’s squadron, fully armed, powerful and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust.”

Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”

Tabari VIII:129 “After the Messenger had finished with the Khaybar Jews, Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews in Fadak when they received news of what Allah had brought upon Khaybar. Fadak became the exclusive property of Allah’s Messenger.”

Tabari VIII:133 “The raiding party went to Tha’labah. One of Muhammad’s slaves, said, ‘Prophet, I know where Tha’labah can be taken by surprise.’ So Muhammad sent him with 130 men. They raided the town and drove off camels and sheep, bringing them back to Medina.”

Tabari VIII:138 “Muhammad carried arms, helmets, and spears. He led a hundred horses, appointing Bahir to be in charge of the weapons and Maslamah to be in charge of the horses. When the Quraysh received word of this, it frightened them.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 59:2 “It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning…they shall taste the torment of Fire.”

Tabari VIII:143 “In this year a twenty-four man raiding party led by Shuja went to the Banu Amir. He launched a raid on them and took camels and sheep. The shares of booty came to fifteen camels for each man. Also a raid led by Amr went to Dhat. He set out with fifteen men. He encountered a large force whom he summoned to Islam. They refused to respond so he killed all of them.”

Bukhari:V4B52N256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children are from them.’”

Tabari IX:20 “The captives of Hunayn, along with their possessions, were brought to the Messenger. He ordered that their captives, animals, and their possessions be taken to Ji’ranah and held there in custody.”

Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s squadron advanced into the fray.”

Ishaq:580 “Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us Allah’s religion is undeniably strong. You would think when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the sounds of demons are among them. The day we trod down the unbelievers there was no deviation or turning from the Apostle’s order. During the battle the people heard our exhortations to fight and the smashing of skulls by swords that sent heads flying. We severed necks with a warrior’s blow. Often we have left the slain cut to pieces and a widow crying alas over her mutilated husband. ’Tis Allah, not man we seek to please.”

Tabari IX:122 “Muhammad sent Uyaynah to raid The Banu Anbar. They killed some people and took others captive. Asma was one of the women taken prisoner.”

Tabari IX:123 “Muhammad sent an expedition to Ghalib and to the land of the Banu Murrah. The raid on Amr and Abi was sent to the valley of Idam. Another by Aslami was sent to Ghabah. And Abd al-Rahman was ordered by the Messenger to lead an army to the seashore.”

Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”

Bukhari:V5B59N516 “When Allah’s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’”

Ishaq:281 “The Raid on Waddan was the first Maghazi [invasion]. The Expedition of Harith was second. They encountered a large number of Quraysh in the Hijaz. Abu Bakr composed a poem about the raid: ‘When we called them to the truth they turned their backs and howled like bitches. Allah’s punishment on them will not tarry. I swear by the Lord of Camels [Allah?] that I am no perjurer. A valiant band will descend upon the Quraysh which will leave women husbandless. It will leave men dead, with vultures wheeling round. It will not spare the infidels.’”

Ishaq:285 “Then the Apostle went raiding in the month of Rabi u’l-Awwal making for the Quraysh. Then he raided the Quraysh by way of Dinar.”

Tabari VII:15 “Expeditions Led by Allah’s Messenger: In this year, according to all Sira writers, the Messenger personally led the Ghazwa of Alwa. [A Ghazwa is an Islamic Invasion in Allah’s Cause consisting of an army unit led by the Prophet himself.] He left Sa’d in command of Medina. On this raid his banner was carried by Hamzah. He stayed out for fifteen days and then returned to Medina. The Messenger went on a Ghazwa at the head of two hundred of his companions in October, 623 and reached Buwat. His intention was to intercept a Quraysh caravan with a hundred men and twenty-five hundred camels.”

Ishaq:286 “Meanwhile the Apostle sent Sa’d on the raid of Abu Waqqas. The Prophet only stayed a few nights in Medina before raiding Ushayra and then Kurz.”

Bukhari:V5B57N51 “The Apostle said, ‘Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man whose leadership Allah will use to grant a Muslim victory.”

Bukhari:V5B59N569 “I fought in seven Ghazwat battles along with the Prophet and fought in nine Maghazi raids in armies dispatched by the Prophet.”

Bukhari:V5B59N401 “Allah’s Wrath became severe on anyone the Prophet killed in Allah’s Cause.”

Bukhari:V5B59N456 “Muhammad led the Fear Prayer [Allahu Akbar!] with one batch of his army while the other (batch) faced the enemy.”

Bukhari:V5B59N440 “Allah’s Apostle used to say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allah Alone because He honored His Warriors and made His Messenger victorious. He defeated the clans; so there is nothing left.’”

Ishaq:287 “The Muslim raiders consulted one another concerning them. One of the Muslims said, ‘By Allah, if we leave these people alone, they will get into the sacred territory and will be safely out of our reach. If we kill them we will have killed in the sacred month.’” Tabari VII:19 “They hesitated and were afraid to advance, but then they plucked up courage and agreed to kill as many as they could and to seize what they had with them. Waqid shot an arrow at Amr and killed him. Uthman and al-Hakam surrendered. Then Waqid and his companions took the caravan and the captives back to Allah’s Apostle in Medina. This was the first booty taken by the Companions of Muhammad.”

Ishaq:289 “Our lances drank of Amr’s blood and lit the flame of war.” Tabari VII:20/Ishaq:287 “Abd Allah told his Companions, ‘A fifth of the booty we have taken belongs to the Apostle.’ This was before Allah made surrendering a fifth of the booty taken a requirement.”

Tabari VII:20/Ishaq:288 “The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive.’ The polytheists spread lying slander concerning him, saying, ‘Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill our people.’”

Ishaq:288 “When the Qur’an passage concerning this matter was revealed, and Allah relieved Muslims from their fear and anxiety, Muhammad took possession of the caravan and prisoners. The Quraysh sent him a ransom and the Prophet released the prisoners on payment. When the Qur’an authorization came down to Muhammad, Abd Allah and his Companions were relieved and they became anxious for an additional reward. They said, ‘Will this raid be counted as part of the reward promised to Muslim combatants?’ So Allah sent down this Qur’an: ‘Those who believe and have fought in Allah’s Cause may receive Allah’s mercy.’ Allah made the booty permissible. He divided the loot, awarding four-fifths to the men He had allowed to take it. He gave one-fifth to His Apostle.”

Ishaq:288 “Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.” Tabari

VII:29/Ishaq:289 “The Apostle heard that Abu Sufyan [a Meccan merchant] was coming from Syria with a large caravan containing their money and their merchandise. He was accompanied by only thirty men.” Ishaq:289 “Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, ‘This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.”
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Now this is not even half of what I have found, and I feel that there would be some excuses for some of them, but anyone can see the horrors of this religion... Although all religions have had the odd fight, Islam appears to be the only religion which doesnt except other religions, and will slaughter anyone who doesnt submit...

Mohideen you said, that The “War on Terrorism,” was ill-conceived; it is turning to be a “War on Islam.” There is no need for a war between different religions..Mohideen, you obviously dont have loved ones in Iraq, who were tortured and slaughtered in their thousands by your own cruel leaders.. dont you care about your own people, is it that we care more than you,,,and do you think that we want our men to die for a people who hate us, dont you realise that it is the hatred of Muslims towards Americans and all that they have done for Iraq, that causes us to be against you..Try reading this below and see why???? If Muslim countries cannot except Israel having the tiny little bit of land that they do have now, then perhaps we shouldnt let any muslims come into our countries and buy our land and take over the large areas that they do now,, In England, Muslims have probably brought up larger areas than Israel is.

July 22, 2005, 8:16 a.m.
And Then They Came After Us
We’re at war. How about acting like it?

First the terrorists of the Middle East went after the Israelis. >From 1967 we witnessed 40 years of bombers, child murdering, airline hijacking, suicide murdering, and gratuitous shooting. We in the West usually cried crocodile tears, and then came up with all sorts of reasons to allow such Middle Eastern killers a pass.

Yasser Arafat, replete with holster and rants at the U.N., had become a “moderate” and was thus free to steal millions of his good-behavior money. If Hamas got European cash, it would become reasonable, ostracize its “military wing,” and cease its lynching and vigilantism.

When some tried to explain that Wars 1-3 (1947, 1956, 1967) had nothing to do with the West Bank, such bothersome details fell on deaf ears.

When it was pointed out that Germans were not blowing up Poles to get back lost parts of East Prussia nor were Tibetans sending suicide bombers into Chinese cities to recover their country, such analogies were caricatured.

When the call for a “Right of Return” was making the rounds, few cared to listen that over a half-million forgotten Jews had been cleansed from Syria, Iraq, and Egypt, and lost billions in property.

When the U.N. and the EU talked about “refugee camps,” none asked why for a half-century the Arab world could not build decent housing for its victimized brethren, or why 1 million Arabs voted in Israel, but not one freely in any Arab country.

The security fence became “The Wall,” and evoked slurs that it was analogous to barriers in Korea or Berlin that more often kept people in than out. Few wondered why Arabs who wished to destroy Israel would mind not being able to live or visit Israel.

In any case, anti-Semitism, oil, fear of terrorism — all that and more fooled us into believing that Israel’s problems were confined to Israel. So we ended up with a utopian Europe favoring a pre-modern, terrorist-run, Palestinian thugocracy over the liberal democracy in Israel. The Jews, it was thought, stirred up a hornet’s nest, and so let them get stung on their own.

We in the United States preened that we were the “honest broker.” After the Camp David accords we tried to be an intermediary to both sides, ignoring that one party had created a liberal and democratic society, while the other remained under the thrall of a tribal gang.

Billions of dollars poured into frontline states like Jordan and Egypt. Arafat himself got tens of millions, though none of it ever seemed to show up in good housing, roads, or power plants for his people. The terror continued, enhanced rather than arrested, by Western largess and Israeli concessions.

Then the Islamists declared war on the United States. A quarter century of mass murdering of Americans followed in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, East Africa, the first effort to topple the World Trade Center, and the attack on the USS Cole.

We gave billions to Jordan, the Palestinians, and the Egyptians. Afghanistan was saved from the Soviets through U.S. aid. Kuwait was restored after Saddam’s annexation, and the holocaust of Bosnians and Kosovars halted by the American Air Force. Americans welcomed thousands of Arabs to our shores and allowed hundreds of madrassas and mosques to preach zealotry, anti-Semitism, and jihad without much scrutiny.

Then came September 11 and the almost instant canonization of bin Laden.

Suddenly, the prior cheap shots at Israel under siege weren’t so cheap. It proved easy to castigate Israelis who went into Jenin, but not so when we needed to do the same in Fallujah.

It was easy to slander the Israelis’ scrutiny of Arabs in their midst, but then suddenly a few residents in our own country were found to be engaging in bomb making, taking up jihadist pilgrimages to Afghanistan, and mapping out terrorist operations.

Apparently, the hatred of radical Islam was not just predicated on the “occupation” of the West Bank. Instead it involved the pretexts of Americans protecting Saudi Arabia from another Iraqi attack, the United Nations boycott of Iraq, the removal of the Taliban and Saddam, and always as well as the Crusades and the Reconquista.

But Europe was supposedly different. Unlike the United States, it was correct on the Middle East, and disarmed after the Cold War. Indeed, the European Union was pacifistic, socialist, and guilt-ridden about former colonialism.

Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were left alone in unassimilated European ghettoes and allowed to preach or promulgate any particular hatred of the day they wished. Conspire to kill a Salmon Rushdie, talk of liquidating the “apes and pigs,” distribute Mein Kampf and the Protocols, or plot in the cities of France and Germany to blow up the Pentagon and the World Trade Center — all that was about things “over there” and in a strange way was thought to ensure that Europe got a pass at home.

But the trump card was always triangulation against the United States. Most recently anti-Americanism was good street theater in Rome, Paris, London, and the capitals of the “good” West.

But then came Madrid — and the disturbing fact that after the shameful appeasement of its withdrawal from Iraq, further plots were hatched against Spanish justices and passenger trains.

Surely a Holland would be exempt — Holland of wide-open Amsterdam fame where anything goes and Muslim radicals could hate in peace. Then came the butchering of Theo Van Gogh and the death threats against parliamentarian Hirsi Ali — and always defiance and promises of more to come rather than apologies for their hatred.

Yet was not Britain different? After all, its capital was dubbed Londonistan for its hospitality to Muslims across the globe. Radical imams openly preached jihad against the United States to their flock as thanks for being given generous welfare subsidies from her majesty’s government. But it was the United States, not liberal Britain, that evoked such understandable hatred.

But now?

After Holland, Madrid, and London, European operatives go to Israel not to harangue Jews about the West Bank, but to receive tips about preventing suicide bombings. And the cowboy Patriot Act to now-panicked European parliaments perhaps seems not so illiberal after all.

So it is was becoming clear that butchery by radical Muslims in Bali, Darfur, Iraq, the Philippines Thailand, Turkey, Tunisia, and Iraq was not so tied to particular and “understandable” Islamic grievances.

Perhaps the jihadist killing was not over the West Bank or U.S. hegemony after all, but rather symptoms of a global pathology of young male Islamic radicals blaming all others for their own self-inflicted miseries, convinced that attacks on the infidel would win political concessions, restore pride, and prove to Israelis, Europeans, Americans — and about everybody else on the globe — that Middle Eastern warriors were full of confidence and pride after all.

Meanwhile an odd thing happened. It turns out that the jihadists were cowards and bullies, and thus selective in their targets of hatred. A billion Chinese were left alone by radical Islam — even though the Chinese were secularists and mostly godless, as well as ruthless to their own Uighur Muslim minorities. Had bin Laden issued a fatwa against Beijing and slammed an airliner into a skyscraper in Shanghai, there is no telling what a nuclear China might have done.

India too got mostly a pass, other than the occasional murdering by Pakistani zealots. Yet India makes no effort to apologize to Muslims. When extremists occasionally riot and kill, they usually cease quickly before the response of a much more unpredictable angry populace.

What can we learn from all this?

Jihadists hardly target particular countries for their “unfair” foreign policies, since nations on five continents suffer jihadist attacks and thus all apparently must embrace an unfair foreign policy of some sort.

Typical after the London bombing is the ubiquitous Muslim spokesman who when asked to condemn terrorism, starts out by deploring such killing, assuring that it has nothing to do with Islam, yet then ending by inserting the infamous “but” — as he closes with references about the West Bank, Israel, and all sorts of mitigating factors. Almost no secular Middle Easterners or religious officials write or state flatly, “Islamic terrorism is murder, pure and simple evil. End of story, no ifs or buts about it.”

Second, thinking that the jihadists will target only Israel eventually leads to emboldened attacks on the United States. Assuming America is the only target assures terrorism against Europe. Civilizations will either hang separately or triumph over barbarism together. It is that simple — and past time for Europe and the United States to rediscover their common heritage and shared aims in eradicating this plague of Islamic fascism.

Third, Islamicists are selective in their attacks and hatred. So far global jihad avoids two billion Indians and Chinese, despite the fact that their countries are far tougher on Muslims than is the United States or Europe. In other words, the Islamicists target those whom they think they can intimidate and blackmail.

Unfettered immigration, billions in cash grants to Arab autocracies, alliances of convenience with dictatorships, triangulation with Middle Eastern patrons of terror, blaming the Jews — civilization has tried all that.

It is time to relearn the lessons from the Cold War, when we saw millions of noble Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, and Czechs as enslaved under autocracy and a hateful ideology, and in need of democracy before they could confront the Communist terror in their midst.

But until the Wall fell, we did not send billions in aid to their Eastern European dictatorships nor travel freely to Prague or Warsaw nor admit millions of Communist-ruled Bulgarians and Albanians onto our shores.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com .

Mohideen, you obviously dont have loved ones in Iraq, who were slaughtered in their thousands by your own cruel leaders.. dont you care about your own people, do you think we want our men to die for nothing and a people who hate us. It appears that Muslims cannot understand that people acturally care about what has gone on there, that they have cared about the thousands tortured and slaughtered and wanted it stopped..would you do nothing when you heard a neighbour beating his wife to death..well we couldnt...

July 22, 2005, 8:16 a.m.
And Then They Came After Us
We’re at war. How about acting like it?

First the terrorists of the Middle East went after the Israelis. >From 1967 we witnessed 40 years of bombers, child murdering, airline hijacking, suicide murdering, and gratuitous shooting. We in the West usually cried crocodile tears, and then came up with all sorts of reasons to allow such Middle Eastern killers a pass.

Yasser Arafat, replete with holster and rants at the U.N., had become a “moderate” and was thus free to steal millions of his good-behavior money. If Hamas got European cash, it would become reasonable, ostracize its “military wing,” and cease its lynching and vigilantism.

When some tried to explain that Wars 1-3 (1947, 1956, 1967) had nothing to do with the West Bank, such bothersome details fell on deaf ears.

When it was pointed out that Germans were not blowing up Poles to get back lost parts of East Prussia nor were Tibetans sending suicide bombers into Chinese cities to recover their country, such analogies were caricatured.

When the call for a “Right of Return” was making the rounds, few cared to listen that over a half-million forgotten Jews had been cleansed from Syria, Iraq, and Egypt, and lost billions in property.

When the U.N. and the EU talked about “refugee camps,” none asked why for a half-century the Arab world could not build decent housing for its victimized brethren, or why 1 million Arabs voted in Israel, but not one freely in any Arab country.

The security fence became “The Wall,” and evoked slurs that it was analogous to barriers in Korea or Berlin that more often kept people in than out. Few wondered why Arabs who wished to destroy Israel would mind not being able to live or visit Israel.

In any case, anti-Semitism, oil, fear of terrorism — all that and more fooled us into believing that Israel’s problems were confined to Israel. So we ended up with a utopian Europe favoring a pre-modern, terrorist-run, Palestinian thugocracy over the liberal democracy in Israel. The Jews, it was thought, stirred up a hornet’s nest, and so let them get stung on their own.

We in the United States preened that we were the “honest broker.” After the Camp David accords we tried to be an intermediary to both sides, ignoring that one party had created a liberal and democratic society, while the other remained under the thrall of a tribal gang.

Billions of dollars poured into frontline states like Jordan and Egypt. Arafat himself got tens of millions, though none of it ever seemed to show up in good housing, roads, or power plants for his people. The terror continued, enhanced rather than arrested, by Western largess and Israeli concessions.

Then the Islamists declared war on the United States. A quarter century of mass murdering of Americans followed in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, East Africa, the first effort to topple the World Trade Center, and the attack on the USS Cole.

We gave billions to Jordan, the Palestinians, and the Egyptians. Afghanistan was saved from the Soviets through U.S. aid. Kuwait was restored after Saddam’s annexation, and the holocaust of Bosnians and Kosovars halted by the American Air Force. Americans welcomed thousands of Arabs to our shores and allowed hundreds of madrassas and mosques to preach zealotry, anti-Semitism, and jihad without much scrutiny.

Then came September 11 and the almost instant canonization of bin Laden.

Suddenly, the prior cheap shots at Israel under siege weren’t so cheap. It proved easy to castigate Israelis who went into Jenin, but not so when we needed to do the same in Fallujah.

It was easy to slander the Israelis’ scrutiny of Arabs in their midst, but then suddenly a few residents in our own country were found to be engaging in bomb making, taking up jihadist pilgrimages to Afghanistan, and mapping out terrorist operations.

Apparently, the hatred of radical Islam was not just predicated on the “occupation” of the West Bank. Instead it involved the pretexts of Americans protecting Saudi Arabia from another Iraqi attack, the United Nations boycott of Iraq, the removal of the Taliban and Saddam, and always as well as the Crusades and the Reconquista.

But Europe was supposedly different. Unlike the United States, it was correct on the Middle East, and disarmed after the Cold War. Indeed, the European Union was pacifistic, socialist, and guilt-ridden about former colonialism.

Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were left alone in unassimilated European ghettoes and allowed to preach or promulgate any particular hatred of the day they wished. Conspire to kill a Salmon Rushdie, talk of liquidating the “apes and pigs,” distribute Mein Kampf and the Protocols, or plot in the cities of France and Germany to blow up the Pentagon and the World Trade Center — all that was about things “over there” and in a strange way was thought to ensure that Europe got a pass at home.

But the trump card was always triangulation against the United States. Most recently anti-Americanism was good street theater in Rome, Paris, London, and the capitals of the “good” West.

But then came Madrid — and the disturbing fact that after the shameful appeasement of its withdrawal from Iraq, further plots were hatched against Spanish justices and passenger trains.

Surely a Holland would be exempt — Holland of wide-open Amsterdam fame where anything goes and Muslim radicals could hate in peace. Then came the butchering of Theo Van Gogh and the death threats against parliamentarian Hirsi Ali — and always defiance and promises of more to come rather than apologies for their hatred.

Yet was not Britain different? After all, its capital was dubbed Londonistan for its hospitality to Muslims across the globe. Radical imams openly preached jihad against the United States to their flock as thanks for being given generous welfare subsidies from her majesty’s government. But it was the United States, not liberal Britain, that evoked such understandable hatred.

But now?

After Holland, Madrid, and London, European operatives go to Israel not to harangue Jews about the West Bank, but to receive tips about preventing suicide bombings. And the cowboy Patriot Act to now-panicked European parliaments perhaps seems not so illiberal after all.

So it is was becoming clear that butchery by radical Muslims in Bali, Darfur, Iraq, the Philippines Thailand, Turkey, Tunisia, and Iraq was not so tied to particular and “understandable” Islamic grievances.

Perhaps the jihadist killing was not over the West Bank or U.S. hegemony after all, but rather symptoms of a global pathology of young male Islamic radicals blaming all others for their own self-inflicted miseries, convinced that attacks on the infidel would win political concessions, restore pride, and prove to Israelis, Europeans, Americans — and about everybody else on the globe — that Middle Eastern warriors were full of confidence and pride after all.

Meanwhile an odd thing happened. It turns out that the jihadists were cowards and bullies, and thus selective in their targets of hatred. A billion Chinese were left alone by radical Islam — even though the Chinese were secularists and mostly godless, as well as ruthless to their own Uighur Muslim minorities. Had bin Laden issued a fatwa against Beijing and slammed an airliner into a skyscraper in Shanghai, there is no telling what a nuclear China might have done.

India too got mostly a pass, other than the occasional murdering by Pakistani zealots. Yet India makes no effort to apologize to Muslims. When extremists occasionally riot and kill, they usually cease quickly before the response of a much more unpredictable angry populace.

What can we learn from all this?

Jihadists hardly target particular countries for their “unfair” foreign policies, since nations on five continents suffer jihadist attacks and thus all apparently must embrace an unfair foreign policy of some sort.

Typical after the London bombing is the ubiquitous Muslim spokesman who when asked to condemn terrorism, starts out by deploring such killing, assuring that it has nothing to do with Islam, yet then ending by inserting the infamous “but” — as he closes with references about the West Bank, Israel, and all sorts of mitigating factors. Almost no secular Middle Easterners or religious officials write or state flatly, “Islamic terrorism is murder, pure and simple evil. End of story, no ifs or buts about it.”

Second, thinking that the jihadists will target only Israel eventually leads to emboldened attacks on the United States. Assuming America is the only target assures terrorism against Europe. Civilizations will either hang separately or triumph over barbarism together. It is that simple — and past time for Europe and the United States to rediscover their common heritage and shared aims in eradicating this plague of Islamic fascism.

Third, Islamicists are selective in their attacks and hatred. So far global jihad avoids two billion Indians and Chinese, despite the fact that their countries are far tougher on Muslims than is the United States or Europe. In other words, the Islamicists target those whom they think they can intimidate and blackmail.

Unfettered immigration, billions in cash grants to Arab autocracies, alliances of convenience with dictatorships, triangulation with Middle Eastern patrons of terror, blaming the Jews — civilization has tried all that.

It is time to relearn the lessons from the Cold War, when we saw millions of noble Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, and Czechs as enslaved under autocracy and a hateful ideology, and in need of democracy before they could confront the Communist terror in their midst.

But until the Wall fell, we did not send billions in aid to their Eastern European dictatorships nor travel freely to Prague or Warsaw nor admit millions of Communist-ruled Bulgarians and Albanians onto our shores.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com .

gaye - I am not being sarcastic, just truthful. I was merely pointing out, albeit in a blunt way, that the Muslim poster above is wrong.

I have debated with him before, and Gaye, he DOES approve of sex with nine year olds. I always bring it up, so that all can see that he is a wolf in sheeps clothing, as he is very good at spinning half truths (as all con men are). He also avoids talking on that, a common "defense" in Muslims strategy, keep the west ignorant about the nasty bits until its too late.

Am I angry yes. I, probably like you, have mad mulla's running around my country preaching hate, while people like Mohideen imitate Gobells (however you spell that Nazi’s name).

I don't try to mince words, and I make no apologies for it. Good post above though, i love it when people show the Muslim teachings in all its glory. I do know that I can be caustic with words though, especially when angry.

Maybe not killing, but we should put them on boats and ship them back to their desert.
A.G.Frederick III at August 6, 2005 01:00 AM

Rather than sending the Muslims who contribute to the welfare of USA to some desert, we should not invade the deserts. Reasons could be found below.

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4744685.stm we find:
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In a speech in the Middle East, Mr Galloway said: "These poor Iraqis - ragged people, with their sandals, with their Kalashnikovs, with the lightest and most basic of weapons - are writing the names of their cities and towns in the stars, with 145 military operations every day, which has made the country ungovernable.
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http://www.forbes.com/home/sciencesandmedicine/2005/08/02/iraq-war-infection-bacteria-cx_mh_0802iraqinfect.html has the following:
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Military doctors are fighting to contain an outbreak of a potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria …

Most of the victims are relatively young troops who were injured by the land mines, mortars and suicide bombs that have permeated the Iraq conflict. …

Preventing the bacteria's spread has required doctors to take extreme care, putting all patients who are returning from the theater of war into isolation. "It's one of those pathogens that once it gets into a population and a chain of care, it can set up shop. Trying to contain the spread of this infection to other people is very difficult," says Andrew Shorr, a doctor who recently left Walter Reed for Washington Hospital Center.
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Where are these bacteria? From http://www.forbes.com/2005/08/02/iraq-military-infection-cx_mh_0802mystery.html we find:
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Petersen hypothesizes that the Acinetobacter comes from dirt deeply ingrained in wounds. At one time, patients might have suffered from gangrene or staph infections, but early treatment with antibiotics prevents that. The Acinetobacter is a sturdier bug, however, and starts to move in where other bacteria have been killed off. Three to five days after injury—when injured soldiers would be in Landstuhl—the infections would suddenly show up.
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From the above, we find one more reason to bring the troops home – now, immediately. Bring them home before more and more infections reach America permitting the bacteria to set up shop inside USA.

The Bible (NT) says Christ is God. The Koran denies it.
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 10:47 PM

There are some Christians who say that God is “Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.” The Father is supposed to be God Almighty. When I stated the God Almighty is one I referred to the Father in the “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”

Yes, we do revere Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them as a Prophet, and not as God Almighty. Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, was given the power to make the figure of a bird in clay and give life to it. This is a mercy from God Almighty. Just because Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them, converted clay to life does not make him God Almighty. Prophet Jesus was indeed created by God Almighty and thus the creator is decidedly different and superior to the created object.

The Koran says Allah can DO ALL THINGS. The Bible says God can't lie. Clearly the God of the Koran IS NOT the same as the Allah of the Koran.
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 10:47 PM

Capability to do a certain act does not imply that that act gets done. The basic premise of “One God” is that that single authority has the power to do all things – good or bad. Muslims always say that God Almighty gives good or apparent bad. An act that looks bad viewed strictly in the current world’s perspective is possibly good when considered in the light of the Hereafter. Consider tradition numbered 555 in Volume 7 of Sahih Al-Bukhari quoted below:
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Narrated Ata bin Abi Rabah
Ibn 'Abbas said to me, "Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?" I said, "Yes." He said, "This black lady came to the Prophet and said, 'I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.' The Prophet said (to her), 'If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.' She said, 'I will remain patient,' and added, 'but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.' So he invoked Allah for her."
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When the Bible says God can’t lie, it has to be construed differently. Whatever God Almighty desires, He says “Be” and it is. Thus, whatever God Almighty says happens and thus God Almighty does not lie. Lie also has a different connotation: twisting or refuting an event that has already taken place. God Almighty has no need to twist any fact.

Nobody in the Bible dies in Christs presence, he dies for us.
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 10:47 PM

In reply, we quote 4:156 – 159 of the Holy Quran. Quoting we have:
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4:156 that they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
4:157 that they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not –
4:158 nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise –
4:159 and there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them –
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We have discussed this issue in detail in http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006654.php in our posting at June 20, 2005 05:54 PM. Kindly read the discussion there.

And Mohideen...there may be only one God Almighty, but he is 'not' Allah...
duh_swami at August 5, 2005 12:47 AM

In the fable on “The Elephant and the six blind men,” each one describes the elephant in a different way. If we insist that our concept alone is correct and every other concept is wrong, all of us miss the truth. However, if we try and construct a hypothesis that satisfies all facts, the six blind men could have easily understood that they are describing different aspects of the same thing.

We the mortal human beings are nowhere near understanding God Almighty and His plans. The saner course of action would be to try and understand each other’s religion as far as possible and to have tolerance where we differ.

Whether God Almighty is as described in the Holy Quran or in other scriptures would be decided on the Descent of Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. It is our belief that Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, would be a Muslim. Well, if we cannot agree, we need to wait.

Christ loved the little children and warned about laying ones hands on them in a bad way.

Mohammed laid his hands all over Aisha in a sexual way (and more) when she was nine.
3rdtimelucky at August 4, 2005 10:47 PM

There seems to be a slight but crucial difference in the definition of “child.” Islam defines a female child as one who is yet to menstruate. Once a female starts menstruating, she is no more a child, but a woman. Mother Aisha, Allah be pleased with her, was married by Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when she was just six years old. The husband waited for three years until the child became a woman before touching his wife. So, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had indeed satisfied the injunction of Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them to the letter.

So, why is blame attached to one who obeyed Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon them?

For interesting information on Mahdi, try..
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Spa/7220/al-mahdi.html
duh_swami at August 5, 2005 12:47 AM

Dear duh_swami,
Thanks for the link. This has a book on “Imam Al-Mahdi(a)” by Ayatullah Ibrahim Amini with 14 chapters. The 14th chapter is found in http://www.al-islam.org/mahdi/nontl/Chap-14.htm As part of this chapter we find:
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On studying the hadith reported by the ahl al-bayt, it appears that when the world has become psychologically ready to accept the government of God and when general conditions have become favorable to the idea of the rulership of the truth, God will permit the Mahdi to launch his final revolution. He will suddenly appear in Mecca and the caller of God will announce to the world that he has alighted. A few selected individuals, whose number has been fixed to 313 in some traditions, will be the first ones to respond to his call, and will be drawn to him like iron to a magnet in that first hour of his appearance.
Imam Sadiq relates: "When the Master of the Age appears, the young among his followers (shi'a), without any prior appointment, will rouse themselves and reach Mecca that very night."
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it appears that during the Mahdi's rule the government and the power will be taken away from non-monotheistic[3] and materialistic disbelievers, and will be vested in the hands of the Muslims and other worthy people of the world.
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Since Jews and Christians are the followers of the heavenly books that teach monotheism, what will happen to them when the Mahdi appears?
The apparent sense of some of the verses of the Qur'an seems to suggest that they will be around until the Day of Judgement occurs.
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Abu Basir asked Imam Sadiq: "What will the Master of the Command do to the 'protected peoples' (ahl al-dhimma)?" The Imam said: "Like the Prophet he will negotiate terms with them, and they will pay the jizya (poll tax), while accepting their inferior position [in the Muslim society].
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It is clear from the above that there would be negotiation and treaties rather than bloodshed. Who are the “other worthy people?” It is our understanding that they are the rulers of the dhimma ruled as per their religions.

3rdtimelucky and other posters here, (and other places), dont mis-understand Islam. They understand it perfectly.
duh_swami at August 5, 2005 08:01 AM

How come they have not yet embraced Islam if they understand Islam perfectly? In matters of religion, faith is an important parameter as quite a few concepts are unverifiable in this life. We hope the following Verse of the Holy Quran does not apply to them.
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35:8 Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!
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We sincerely hope that they would receive true guidance and become Muslims.

Dear sister Gaye (at August 5, 2005 09:02 AM),

Thanks for your detailed post. Your post has approximately 27,166 characters as declared by Microsoft Word at the time of opening the document in which it was stored. The extract from your post below has approximately 1,352 characters as estimated by Microsoft Word. Kindly read the extract. What does it indicate? Does it show that Islam is a religion of violence or a religion advocating extreme discipline in its followers so that no life is taken by mistake, even in the midst of fighting?

Islam is a total religion. It must necessarily educate its followers in self defense. You have quoted from the Holy Quran and many other books (some unapproved like Tabari) selectively those statements regarding fighting in self defense to give an impression of violence in Islam. The Holy Quran is a book running to hundreds of pages. God willing, the time to analyze the Holy Quran and indicate the size of the different themes has arrived. We do hope that God Almighty sanctions such an analysis. Until such a task is done, may I request you to kindly read the whole of the Holy Quran?

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Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”

Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”

Bukhari: V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”

Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”
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So far global jihad avoids two billion Indians and Chinese, despite the fact that their countries are far tougher on Muslims than is the United States or Europe.
— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian
Gaye at August 5, 2005 10:04 AM

As an Indian, I know India. The fact that global jihad avoids India – if ever there is anything called global jihad – is not because of the population of India, it is because Muslims live in peace in India. The only trouble spot in India is Kashmir – a problem created by UK at the time of leaving India during 1945. It was the divide and rule policy of UK that created the Kashmir problem for us.

As regards 9/11 and 7/7 these are wanton atrocities carried out by the respective governments to deny their people the freedom they enjoyed before. The Muslims were blamed unjustly for 9/11 and 7/7. Time would surely unmask the real culprits. Please look at the information on 9/11 and 7/7 in the Internet and the alternate media and come to a good conclusion.

The Second World War was forced on humanity by Hitler and his accomplices. We are afraid we are on the threshold of another world war instigated on the false flag operations of 9/11 and 7/7.

he is a wolf in sheeps clothing
3rdtimelucky at August 5, 2005 08:31 PM
Or a lamb painted as a wolf to be shot from a very long distance!