"Says assault shows terrorism 'can rise out of any faith'"; I say otherwise in this WND article (thanks to all who sent this in):
A controversial Muslim advocacy group quickly condemned the shooting attack yesterday by an "Israeli terrorist," using the opportunity to reinforce its contention that Islam has as much to do with terrorism as any other faith.The Council on American-Islamic Relations said, "This brutal attack on innocent civilians once again demonstrates that terrorism and extremism can rise out of any faith."
As WorldNetDaily reported, Eden Natan Zada, 19, was lynched by a mob of Palestinians after he opened fire on a bus and killed four Arabs, allegedly in protest of the Gaza withdrawal plan.
Police are calling the incident a "Jewish terror attack" and are on high alert for Palestinian revenge attacks, warning of a likely immediate deterioration in Israel's security situation.
CAIR said it calls on "American religious and political leaders to condemn the attack and to repudiate the extremist views that apparently motivated the perpetrator."
"Terror is terror, no matter what faith the terrorist espouses," the statement said.
Responding to CAIR's comment, scholar and author Robert Spencer told WorldNetDaily the group's "rush to condemn this isolated incident only underscores their curious silence after the great majority of Islamic terror attacks."
"Terror is indeed terror, but there is no organized movement of Jewish – or Christian – terrorists using their scriptures to justify that terror," said Spencer, director of Jihad Watch.
"There is such a global movement of Islamic terrorists – and what is CAIR doing to convince them of the error of their ways?" he asked.
Spencer said CAIR "needs to stop engaging in spurious finger-pointing such as this statement and work among Muslims to refute the jihad ideology they claim to reject but so far have done little or nothing to counter."
As I wrote on The BIDINOTTO BLOG,
We'd be far better off without a CAIR in the world.
They're as dangerous to American as their more vicious counterparts, the terrorists, in their own insidious way.
CAIR certainly is an opportunistic brood, aren't they?
3000 Muslim attacks in the past 4 years, yet they say nothing of substance. A couple of Jewish or Christians go haywaire and murder someone, and CAIR's all over it like cold on ice.
Hypocritical bigots. Who said this lunatic killer was Jewish, anyway. He may have been Israeli, but as a Jewish friend of mine told me, now days, there are many Israelis who aren't practicing Jews.
Perhaps the guy was upset that Sharon is handing his or his family's home over to a horde of barbarian pipe bomb lobbers.....
use this link for Omri Cerin's thoughtful response on his Mere Rhetoric blog, which was cited by LGF under "Stark Contrast":
http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11271575.html
I'd have copied and pasted for readers' convenicence, but the firewall here at the office has blocked me. Nothing offensive, but the various references to killing set off the cybercensors.
DC: for the record this young man was Orthodox and had departed the family home for one of the more "radical settlements". He is also said to have been a supporter of the banned Kach party of Meir Kahane.
Not that I'd place any money on it, but having made the demand they are making, I hope CAIR gets to be very publicly and very vigourously hoisted by its own very foul petard.
See this Washington Times piece on American Muslims denouncing the recent CAIR-sponsored edict as being so lame and equivocal as being meaningless:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050805-121426-9110r.htm
Thanks for the quick education Waterdragon.....and for the link. It's good to see some of these Muslim groups confront CAIR for all of the unnecessary problems they create.
D.C.
Don't you just know that CAIR has been fervently hoping and praying for just such an event. When was the last similar terrorist attack by an Israeli Jew - was is Baruch Goldstein 11 years ago? And how many Palestinian or Muslim terrorist attacks (or "martyrdom operations" as the Muslims call them) have there been during the interim? Hundreds? Thousands? Typical CAIR bullshit.
Johnb:
I am sure there has been more than a bit of nastiness from some of the settlers in the 11 year interim, but there have also been a number of completely false charges, such as the recent, widely reported knifing incident of a young Arab male that was actually an attack by a relative.
From an Aug 3/05 post by Jason Moaz on frontpagemag.com under the title "passive voice genocide" which generally lambastes the MSM, this account of reporting in the New Duranty Times:
"A July 21 article by Israel correspondent Greg Myre titled "Israel Defeats Efforts to Delay Gaza Pullout; Protest Thwarted Again" started off with the lead paragraph offering a brief elaboration of the headline. Then suddenly, in the second paragraph, like a news flash interrupting previously scheduled programming, the focus shifted to an entirely different story: "Late on Wednesday, Reuters reported that a Palestinian boy had been stabbed to death by Israelis in the West Bank, citing reports from unidentified Palestinians."
The article stayed with the murdered Palestinian boy for three additional paragraphs, repeating for good measure (presumably in case a reader had missed it a few lines earlier) that "the boy...was stabbed by Jewish settlers." After that four-paragraph interregnum, the article returned for its remaining 10 paragraphs to its original focus - parliamentary maneuvering over the Gaza pullout and government efforts to quash an anti-disengagement march in southern Israel.
The next day, July 22, in a story by Greg Myre and Steve Erlanger headlined "Israel May Speed Gaza Pullout to Head Off More Protests," an update appeared on the stabbing of the young Palestinian. Turns out he wasn't stabbed by Jewish settlers after all, but by his own cousin. (So much for the believability of Palestinian eyewitnesses.) "
And then, of course, there's the massacre that never happened at Jenin and the murder of Mohammed Al-Durra by the IDF that appears either never to have happened, or, if the boy was indeed wounded or killed, not by Israeli forces, but by Palestinian snipers.
Here is the real news headline from the Jerusalem Post:
Burial of Jewish terrorist sparks debates
When did we last hear ANY Arab leader, propaganda mill (i.e., CAIR), or news organ describe a Muslim suicide bomber as a "terrorist"? Uh, huh, thought so. Therein is the essence of the gulf that separates the Islamic ideology from all others on the planet.
Can we really expect Muslims to begin the process of soul searching necessary to civilize (or abadon, dare I say) their creed, while something as plainly unjust as the Israeli occupation is going on? Just because the Israeli army is not lopping off heads, bombing buses and praising death as a greater value than life, does not mean the suffering caused by the occupation is any less real. In fact, from a purely utilitarian perspective it is much worse than Palestinian terror. Palestinians that I have met UNIVERSALLY want Americans (and Jews) to understand this. If Jihadwatchers, and the greater community that understands the Jihad threat could truly grasp this, we would be much more influential.
We can admit this without abandoning our moral high ground. Islam really does not have a leg to stand on - the only thing that keeps it going in the face of secularism and life affirming value systems is its sense of grievance.
Quijybo
Anybody who kills innocent civilians is a lunatic and a terrorist.
That's all CAIR needs to say.
Do they?
Nah.
(These types of crimes are inhuman and pointless from any angle, and the extremism they expose, whether based on a 'religion' or some toxic ideology, is always a danger. But the focus needs to remain on the global homicidal jihadists who are united and who espouse an Imperialistic form of Islam, since they are setting off Bombs for God practically everywhere and essentially daily. The incidental and ineffectual "Zionists" ... although they supposedly "run the world"... have about as much real influence on geopolitical events as a minor cable t.v. channel on a slow day. And every effective militant maniac knows that you cause more casualties with a shrapnel vest than a gun... so this seems more like a case of spontaneous rage than the standard 'immoderate Muslim' holy war-style mass murder.)
A question: how many captured jihadists in Israel have been instantly lynched by a Jewish mob?
waterdragon52:
That's for that New Duranty Times update.
okay, lets start keeping score. just to be fair, lets go back 11 years to the beginning of this juggernaut of terror, this veritable avalanche of jewish attacks(by individuals who have hijacked their religion and do not represent the millions of peace loving jews), on peace loving muslims, going about their daily lives.
We'll start with Goldstein, sooooooooo.....
Jewish terrorist attacks- 2
Islamic terrorist attacks-
umm.......anybody?
T-Ham,
From the Palestinian point of view, you must include all the troubles that are hoisted upon them by the Israeli occupation, up to and including the killing of civilians. The number of civilian dead on the Palestinian side exceeds the number of Israeli, no matter whose figures you look at. I am not excusing the manufacturing of massacres, but the point is they do not HAVE to be manufactured.
It is true that the Israeli occupation does not meet the definition of terrorism, but to the dead civilians, what is the difference? We all know it is an objective fact that Islam supports Jihadist violence, and in its present form Jihad means terrorism. Can we not also admit the Israeli occupation means death and misery for the Palestinians?
Quijybo
Quiybo-
As long as they 'negotiate' with semtex and ball-bearings from the Palestinian side, you expect the Israelis to just take it?
Would you?
johnb posted:When was the last similar terrorist attack by an Israeli Jew - was is Baruch Goldstein 11 years ago?
Whenever the subject of islamic terrorism comes up, Baruch Goldstein comes up to show that Jews also are terrorists. Another is Timothy McVeigh to illustrate that Christians are also terrorists. These seem to be the only ones that are sited by muslims after each new terrorist outrage in the name of islam.
Then ofcourse there is that verse from the koran, 5:32, which invariably comes up following each islamic terror act. Is this the only peaceful verse in the koran? Surely not. There must be some other 'peaceful' verses in the koran that could be uttered by muslim spokesmen following each outrage.
While I am typing this I am listening to AL BBC.
They repeat the story every 2 minutes.
Attacks on Israel are hardly reported.
Just what is, what has become of the BBC?
Terminator posted: They repeat the story every 2 minutes.Attacks on Israel are hardly reported.
As the BBC has to show balance, it must repeat the one terrorist attack by an Isreali soldier to counterbalance the thousands by Arabs/muslims on Isrealis.
DP 111:
"As the BBC has to show balance, it must repeat the one terrorist attack by an Isreali soldier to counterbalance the thousands by Arabs/muslims on Isrealis."
KT and 1a would wholeheartedly support that statement!
I am tired of seeing CAIR commercials. PROPAGANDA......BS
I would love to see some ANTI-CAIR commercials. I would even send money to get them started....where do I send the check?
quijybo;
i am counting terrorist attacks specifically targeting civilians. the is a huge difference between specifically targeting civilians and the collateral damage caused by a uniformed force targeting known individuals in the terrorist organization who use a civilian population for cover and concealment. additionally, the level of effort by muslim terrorists to intentionally cause civilian casualties is equal to the level of effort used by the Isreali military to minimize civilian casualties.
all civilian casualties suck, that's why war is hell. i remember a commercial from the 60's or 70's that showed 2 old men beating the hell out of each other while a commentator says, "isn't it a shame that ALL wars couldn't be fought like this?". sure, it's a shame, now back to reality.
a weekend spent reading up on the history of the arab/Isreali conflict will bring you to the realization that while absolutely yes, the Isreali occupation means death and misery to the palestinians, nobody is more to blame than their own arab world, Arafat and the PLO premier among the betrayers of the palestinian people. it is patently absurd to believe that if all arab anti-isreal violence ceased completely that isreal would continue targeted attacks with the continued possibility of civilian casualties and all the attendant bad PR.
since all the way back in 1948, arabs have, other than lipservice, turned thheir backs on their palestinian "brothers", the thugs entrusted with the guidance, governance, security, and future of palestine, have turned their backs on the people for their own personal gain. they have looted the palestinian coffers, they have kept palestine from peace and a secure future because it wasn't AS profitable as war for them. they threw away a peoples future to insure their own. time and time again they have walked away from, if not a perfect solution, at least a starting point. they could always be counted on to make the absolute worst possible choice for their people. the palestinians have no-one to blame other than themselves, their leaders, and their "friends".
Quijybo wrote:
"Can we really expect Muslims to begin the process of soul searching necessary to civilize (or abandon, dare I say) their creed, while something as plainly unjust as the Israeli occupation is going on?"
The Palestinians refugees would have been absorbed by the surrounding Ummah decades ago. However, they remain where they are as pawns to serve the goals of jihad and anti-Semitism.
I refer you to a recent editorial by Larry Elder...
"The former Syrian prime minister, in his 1972 memoirs, candidly wrote, "Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees . . . while it is we who made them leave.
. . . We brought disaster upon . . . Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave. . . . We have rendered them dispossessed. . . . We have accustomed them to begging. . . . Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon men, women and children — all this in the service of political purposes. . . . "
In 1960, King Hussein of Jordan admitted: "Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner. . . . They have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."
What about Osama bin Laden? He claims to pursue jihad, at least in part, because of Palestinians. But according to "Globalized Islam" author Olivier Roy, "Abdullah Azzam, [Osama] bin Laden's mentor, gave up supporting the Palestine Liberation Organization long before his death in 1989 because he felt that to fight for a localized political cause was to forsake the real jihad . . . "
It's not like this is a secret.
Many Palestinian terrorists speak openly and bluntly about their intentions. "Moderate" Yasser Arafat aide Faisal Husseini said in 2001, "Our ultimate goal is the liberation of all historical Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] Sea, even if this means that the conflict will last for another thousand years or for many generations."
The New York Times interviewed several Hamas leaders in Gaza three years ago. Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahar, a surgeon, told the Times the Jews could remain, but living "in an Islamic state with Islamic law. From our ideological point of view, it is not allowed to recognize that Israel controls one square meter of historic Palestine." Abu Shanab, an engineer, said, "There are lots of open areas in the United States that could absorb the Jews." Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a medical doctor (later assassinated by Israel), said, "[W]e in Hamas believe peace talks will do no good. We do not believe we can live with the enemy."
Do these remarks reflect the sentiments of "the Palestinian streets"? Unfortunately, yes. According to the latest polls by the Jerusalem Media & Communication Center, 49.7 percent of Palestinians support "suicide" bombing against Israel, and 45.5 percent believe the Intifada's purpose is to liberate all of historic Palestine.
Every victim needs a victimizer — someone who you believe wishes to destroy you. Israel provides that role for the Palestinians and the larger Arab world. But the real victimizers are those Muslim leaders, politicians, scholars, intellectuals and teachers who exploit the legitimate concerns of the Palestinians, in order to divert attention from their own corrupt, oppressive, failed states.
So who's really the victimizer?"
- Larry Elder
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/elder072805.php3
“The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred; Throughout the Islamic as well as Christendom's history Jews have been persecuted, the persecution of Israel is just the same as the old antisemitism.”
“The Arab refugees are being used as pawns' to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel”
“The Arab refugee problem was caused by Arab aggression and not Israel. Why should Israel be responsible for their fate?”
"No one (Arab or Jew) has a "right of return". Jews who fled Arab persecution from 1948 to 1956 should have no right of return to Arab lands, and Arabs who ran away in 1948 and 1967 should have no right of return either. This should end all argument. Yet the Jews accept this judgment, while the Arabs reject EVERYTHING."
- Walid Shoebat
( a former member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization)
http://www.shoebat.com/
Sure they do, but they also support Events and Jihad videos like my JW posting below , CAIR's Lawyer has failed to tell Canadians that they are the defendant in a $80 Billion dollar Suit for their abetting the 9/11 hijackers by coaching Muslims to avoid reporting Terrorists or even talking to the FBI or police that are hunting Islamists.
ATTENTION:
Anyone with connection to a FBI office may want to refer this Anti-USA "Jihad" video I found on a Muslim website run by a MSA , the closing clip makes threats to America and uses the WTC attack video of the plane hitting it while you hear a laughing by the Jihadists that more is to come.
Click the video " Dirty Kuffar" and see exactly what they think of the Military and the USA that welcomed them and is providing all the benefits of a education while they promote JIHAD
against America.
http://www.mujahideenryder.net/video/index.htm
I found this link while searching the ICNA site because it was last year that the ICNA and MAC (Muslim association of Canada) had their conference at a Mississauga Hall and a Islamic site outside of Canada advertized the event and detailed workshops for youth that promoted Jihad in Canada to create an Islamic State and then make Canada an Islamic Nation, the class cited the Quran and advocated any level of force to achive Dawa and establish a Kalifah in Canada and bring about Sharia Law for all Canadians.
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This link below has a disturbing tirade about the Zionists and the USA wanting to take over the world. Just scroll down to the last points and see the hatred being spewed to muslim youth in Canada.
http://www.macnet.ca/national/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=19
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CAIR and Dr.Muhammad Elmasry endorsed this event and a Federal Liberal that won her election by bashing Bush and Americans , Parrish was fooled by these weasels that are using Taqqiya to
force Islam on the non-Muslims in Canada.
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-08/02/article02.shtml
This is why Canada will not be safe from Al-Qaeda , and just last week Toronto had a bomb threat to the transit system and that very night out P.M. met with 19 pro-Wahhabi Imams to build bridges and assure them their safety after the London attacks since "Islamophobia" was on the rise.
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Quijybo...What 'Palestinian people' are you refering to, and what 'occupation' are you talking about?
From'Smoothstones' blog:
April 20, 2005
Occupation? What Occupation?
The "Occupation" of the west bank and Gaza strip is not really an occupation, because there were never Palestinian territories. Arafat wanted the 1967 borders back. But remember, from 1948 till 1967, Egypt ruled Gaza, Syria the Golan Heights, and Jordan the "west bank", a fake name created by King Hussein.
Anytime during those years a "Palestinian" state could have been declared. So, why wasn't it? Why is it that the term "Palestinian" wasn't used until after the Six day war in which Israel was forced to defend itself against Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq?
After Israel won the war, suddenly, "Palestinians" existed. Arafat himself claimed to have been born in Jerusalem, but his birth records say he was born in Egypt. Cairo, Egypt, August 24, 1929 to be exact. So why is an Egyptian head of the PLO?
Hmm. Could it be that the state of "Palestine" is a Political creation? That it never actually existed? And that the Palestinian Authority has sacrificed the children of their citizens for their own twisted thirst for power in the Middle East?
It may sound far fetched, but why don't you read this quote below and see if you still feel the same way:
Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
Still sound far fetched? There you have the word of a high ranking PLO member: an admission that the "Palestinian" struggle was created as means of destroying Israel and creating a corrupt dictatorship under Yasser Arafat.
The PA wants the land of Israel so bad that they are willing to send their own children to their deaths to get it.
We don't understand why their civilians have not questioned and investigated Arafat. They follow him blindly, somehow under the impression that his interests are the same as their interests. If Arafat had the best interests of the "Palestinian" people at heart, he wouldn't be so willing to sacrifice them. These poor people need to come to the realization that they are being used as pawns in a sick game of Chess which Arafat(now Abbas) was playing against Israel.
The Occupation does not exist.
Neither does Biafra.
Neither - so far - does - or did it ever exist - a Palestinian nation.
Folks, you've all been lied to. How does it feel?
Duh_swami,
I’ve never understood what gives the Muslims a superior claim to the land of “Palestine” than the Jews. Moses had the Ten Commandments a long time before the 7th century. The Jews lived there long before the were Muslims.
RW Frog
You have to understand that islam claims to have existed from creation...I know that is ridiculous, but that is what they believe. All the well known Bible characters were muslim according to their texts. Never mind that it was never heard of until after mo died.
Hey, be happy, everyone.
After all, this (if considered terrorism) would be a terrorist attack that CAIR actually condemned. That would bring their total to three, I believe.
Yes, Quijybo, does "peace" require the Israelis to sit and take it? How about if Syria, Egypt and Jordan decide to invade again?
Geoff
RW Frog...I would agree with Caroline2. The entire world has been Islamed since creation...I haven't thought about it till now, but I wonder how muslims explain dinasours and cavemen. There are no caveman drawings in caves that depict a cresent and moon that I know of. No Neanderthals
preaching Islam, unless you want to count modern ones. Mohammad would have probably claimed them also, had he known they had existed...
First of all the person who did this was (in theory) a religious Jew. He had become religious while in the army and had changed his name and moved from Rishon L'Tzion to Tapuach which is a settlement with a bunch of Kach Activitsts. (Kach is Meir Kanhne's followers)
When he did this he was AWOL from the army.
Also in the last few days Tapuach has moved to expell the Kachnicim and the local council has stated that they will not let him be buried in the area. The Mayor of Rishon L'Tzion has also prevented him from being buried there (most of this is from the Jerusalem Post)
For the record I am a west bank settler and I live a few miles from Tapuach.