In "Creating Islamist phantoms: We dreamed up 'al-Qaida': Let's not do it again with 'evil ideology,'" Adam Curtis of The Guardian (thanks to Fjordman) posits that "we may not agree with its reactionary vision of the political use of Islam and the pessimistic, anti-progressive beliefs that lie at the heart of Qutb's teachings, but it is essential to realise that there is no inherent link between these ideas and terrorism."
Well, of course not. Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), the leading theorist of the Muslim Brotherhood, taught a totalitarian, expansionist ideology that viewed any political power other than Sharia states as illegitimate. If those who adhere to this ideology can attain what they want by peaceful means, then Curtis is right: they will do so, and there will be no terrorism. Sure, there will be a few small matters of subjugation of women and infidels, but who's counting?
This underscores why it is so misleading to say that our fight is against "terrorism." That leads to this kind of thinking -- but would Curtis really consider the peaceful imposition of Sharia in Britain or anywhere else to be a benign development, as long as it involved no terrorism?
Who would expect any better from The Guardian?
Who would expect any better from The Guradian?
Who would expect any better from The Guardian?
This rather innocuous sing-songy piece in the Guardian is but a flimsy rhetoric masquerading as a metaphysic to disguise the ideological league between Postmodernism and Islam.
As long as Islam itself remains largely immune to criticism, and the full horror of the doctrine of Jihad -- and the instruments of Jihad -- remain known only to a few, the complacent idea that it is terrorism, and terrorism of the most obvious kind, that threatens Infidels will be believed.
But terrorism is only a tactic, and not the least of one's misgivings about the phrase "war on terror" is that it diverts attention to a single tactic, and not to the ends for which that tactic is being employed.
Is not Adam Curtis the same dhimmi moron who produced Al-Beeb's The Power of Nightmares, the much-ballyooed "documentary" which argued that Islamic terrorism was a myth invented by US neo-cons?
Quite the prescient one, isn't he, our Adam? 52 recently deceased Londoners might beg to differ with his definition of "myth", if only they were still among us.
Abroad witnesses reported terrible experiences. Yet there was a common reluctance to face the reality.
In 1934 The Times commissioned its Munich "stringer" to write a "series of articles" on Dachau, a difficult and dangerous assignment, and then failed to print them. As late as September 1936 the New York Times could suggest that "milder treatment" was now the rule inside Dachau, whereas at that very moment the new Commandant, Hans Loritz, was demonstrating what harshness really meant--the prisoners nicknamed him Nero. As with Russia, where the Gulag may have held as many as 2 million prisoners (in 1933) compared to 25,000 in Nazi camps, the waters were sufficiently muddied to enable people to interpret the evidence in the light of their prejudices.
Piers Brendon, The Dark Valley. New York: Vintage, 2000; p. 301.
Each time I read a commentary by Spencer I ask myself if he's honest. I ask myself if he's got some hidden agenda that makes him skew the facts or twist the focus to show his points in a light that dims the truth as it might be otherwise through a more objective lens and a straighter line of reasoning. Does Spencer lie to me?
I go to other sources, and I ask of them the same questions.
Political islam is preciseley what is NOT OK.
Four years after 9/11, and there is still ignorance of islam. Tis leads me to despair for us all.
What does it take to get people to see what is so obviously a mortal danger to civilisation?
Imagine al-Guardian printing a piece defending apartheid or Jim Crow law or the Nuremburg laws -- oh, "it's all right if it's implemented peacefully."
What's the difference between Jim Crow, apartheid, Nuremburg Laws and Islamic sharia?
Adam Curtis
This is the guy that wrote the laughable BBC "Documentary", "The Power of Nightmares".
For those of you who have not seen the documentary, its the one that sells the idea that Al Qaeda & Islamofascism is a CIA /Oil Corporation / Arms Industry invention. (It got a bit woolly early on, & I rapidly lost the will to live as I watched, such was the utter moronic nature of the plot line that even a long unemployed, D list Hollywood actor would have rejected ....)
Having no luck convincing everyone as to the positive nature of "The American Dream", the documentary runs along the lines of "shadowy" organisations at the heart of democracies are now selling "nightmares" to get our full attention & support for their "end game", whatever that is.
Well it would be laughable if the UK left wing, & the naive armchair liberals in the UK had not have sucked it up like honey from heaven.
After the London bombings, I am surprised that even the Guardian gave him a gig - he is, by his own documentary, totally discredited.
When the real, undeniable truth about Islam is finally revealed by the MSM, media professionals like Mr Curtis won't be able to get a job marking kindergarten exam papers - if he's lucky.
There was a time when The Guardian was a good read; guess one has to be old to remember that.
Now, that appalling piece of nonsense is playing the pied piper, leading one and all over the cliff.
Hugh's concern is right on; terrorism is the tactic, not the enemy. So far, our leaders, apparently, do not dare mention the name of our enemy.
Yes, yes and yes to all the contributions above, all germaine, informative and appreciated.
To add insult to injury, also in the Guardian today is a fantasist screed by the execrable George Monbiot which lauds Nicaragua and South Africa as exemplars of Constitutional Governance, and suggests THEY are the better examples to follow for Iraq than anything that dark horrible America could offer up. In fact, he utterly slanders US democracy and argues that US influence on the Iraqi Constitution is so poisonous that it can only create civil war. The canards and distortions of this leftist fantasist filth know no bounds. Their leftist hate-America-first ideology is truly TREASONOUS...
Unfortunately the Guardian is S.O.L.
Islam IS terrorism.
You can take the trees out of the forest. But you can't take the trees out of the trees.
"We dreamed up 'al-Qaida': Let's not do it again with 'evil ideology,'"
Who could possibly dream up such a s#*t!!
And why would anyone want to print it?
I'm just wondering how such people dream up such a nonsense and find an audience for it, while JW/DW is struggling....
I will never understand why many non-Muslims work so hard to hide the truth about Islam from the rest of the world. What's in it for them?
I'm just wondering how such people dream up such a nonsense and find an audience for it, while JW/DW is struggling....
Posted by: Terminator at August 30, 2005 09:04 PM
The minds that "dream up such nonsense" are hopelessly contorted and warped by layers of left-wing, nihilistic, utopian delusions. Peel back the layers and you will find frightened, angry, envious, resentful losers who wouldn't recognize a good idea if it showered them with riches. Just as muslims fortify their psyches with delusions of innate superiority, these freaks bolster their fragile egos by vilifying the USA. There are plenty of Americans who do the same thing. There's nothing like an amoral nihilist in all his vituperative glory, passing judgment on others like an omniscient, angry god. Ever noticed the stark similarities between these venomous imbeciles and muslims? As for their audiences; well, misery loves company.
Ever noticed the stark similarities between these venomous imbeciles and muslims?
Yep. Sure have. It's amazing, this similarity. And it doesn't make much sense either. Other than their shared hatred of the US, Israel, Jews & Christians, there is no common ground. Islam goes against everything the nihilists hold dear. Yet, they'll make excuses for Islam every time.
I know a woman who sneers at how Orthodox Jewish women dress modestly, yet vehemently defends Muslim women shrouding themselves totally. I know a man who insists Islam brings grace and dignity to Muslims and is a great religion we can all learn from, yet just get him started on Christianity. !! Stand back, and shield yourself from the spittle that'll fly out of his mouth as he condemns Christians and Christianity, insisting that it is a vastly greater danger to the world than Islam.
How one gets like that is beyond me. It's scary.
Feralee,
Would you and DianaC like to get together on 12th September to celebrate the siege of Vienna in which Europe defeated the turks?
Could you contact Susanp and she can send your email on to me.
Feralee,
Would you and DianaC like to get together on 12th September to celebrate the siege of Vienna in which Europe defeated the turks?
Could you contact Susanp and she can send your email on to me.
Feralee,
Would you and DianaC like to get together on 12th September to celebrate the siege of Vienna in which Europe defeated the turks?
Could you contact Susanp and she can send your email on to me.
Feralee,
You're correct. Such a mindset, examples of which you've provided, is indeed scary.
Of course, much of that thinking is inculcated by educators and the press.
You would think that 9/11, 7/7, and all the other appropriate dates and places would have awakened such educators, the press, and the delusional politicians and citizens who espouse such ideas. But it appears, in many cases, to have done the opposite.
The goal, ultimately, is to overpower their rantings with fact.
I wish the British Government could send the entire Guardian's staff over to Saudi Arabia or Iran so that they would experience a bit of what it's like to be a dhimmi under the Islamic rule they are welcoming so much. That would be a sobering experience, perhaps. I'd even be willing to pay for that with my taxmoney.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org
Voltaire:
a get-together on the 12th of September to celebrate the defeat of the Turks is a great idea!
If you can manage to get a few people together I will make time to meet with you, Sydney or Brisbane! (Melbourne and Perth are a bit out of my way though!)
But it would be great to start a "movement"...
Maddie "cry baby" Bunting takes the top dhimmi prize though.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,1558306.00.html
Apparently, the link doesn't work but you can find it in the edition of 29th August if you key in her name. Not to mention the news that Blair has appointed Tariq Ramadam to his "committee" on which sits among others Iqbal Sacranie, Salman Rushdie's nemesis, to investigate Muslim extremism. Just try to imagine Churchill inviting the SS to discuss Nazi extremism if you want an idea of the idiocy of it all. Rushdie has been in the news, not least because he has a book to publicise but also debating with George Galloway, whom he called "craven" for his dhimmitude.
"Blair has appointed Tariq Ramadam to his "committee" on which sits among others Iqbal Sacranie, Salman Rushdie's nemesis, to investigate Muslim extremism..."
-- from a posting above
Is this true? It cannot, can it be -- true?
Hugh
It is true
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1559551,00.html
The decision to include "Frere Tariq" into the special committee to tackle UK extremism will be made officially public next week.
The Home Office & the Prime Ministers Office are refusing to confirm or deny any names on any list associated with the "committee".
JW / DW Fans:
BE READY FOR SOME DISTURBING INCLUSIONS ON THIS COMMITTEE.
Thankfully, New Labour were not in power when the Third Reich were on the rampage - they would have probably invited Himmler to advise them on European policy.....
SRD: (Small Rumour Department)...it is being touted that Tariq's appointment (annointment?) will be announced at more or less the same time next week as an announcement that a "foreign radical" (singular)is being deported "forthwith" from the UK.
aaahhh, New Labour & its "balance".
I think it will be Abu Qattada - but I believe he is resigned to leaving the UK anyway.
Next weeks news today.
You read it here first at DW / JW.......
Feralee: speaking of venemous imbeciles, I once knew a muslim in my department who, while discussing religion with me at a dinner, came out with "But, seriously, you must accept that the Jews are perverse, no?" Not 'Israel', but all Jews, everywhere.
Talk about perverse.
Prophet Geoff
"I will never understand why many non-Muslims work so hard to hide the truth about Islam from the rest of the world. What's in it for them?"
You will never understand it if you don't realize that they are sincere. You and others here (and elsewhere) seem to think these Leftists know and see what you know and see, but are deceptively avoiding or manipulating the obvious facts about Islam. This leads to the understandable bafflement you express: how could they? what's in it for them?
Answer: what's in it for them is their sincere desire for the "truth". The more appropriate question is: How have so many (truly millions) intelligent educated people become sincerely convinced that the truth of the matter is that Islam is basically a religion of peace and that terrorism represents a tiny minority of criminals who have "hijacked" their religion?
Answering that question would also help to answer why Blair has invited Tariq Ramadan to a special committee rather than unceremoniously booted his ass out of the UK.
And actually, the softly spoken attractive scholar with his rather benign expression is far more dangerous than all the loonie clerics put together for making his 7th century belief system sound so plausible.
Yes, Dr. Pepper, as you say, they are sincere, not deliberately trying to deceive. Which is very baffling, and very frightening. To be so cut off from reality, and from seeing the big picture, is hard to believe.
You will never understand it if you don't realize that they are sincere. You and others here (and elsewhere) seem to think these Leftists know and see what you know and see, but are deceptively avoiding or manipulating the obvious facts about Islam. This leads to the understandable bafflement you express: how could they? what's in it for them. Posted by Dr. Pepper
Oh I believe that they are sincere, insofar as narcisisstic, obsessive-compuslive people are capable of sincerity. They are plagued by incessant conspiracy theories (delusions); they hear voices telling them to defend the downtrodden. Their struggle to establish the perfect society, utopia, becomes a form of spirituality without a deity. They don't need a god; they are gods. Their never-ending quest for "social justice" becomes their sole moral focus and anyone who deviates from or disagrees with their elaborate schemes to destroy traditional Western society and rebuild it is a racist, bigot, or homophobe.
These people are so blinded by their dreams of egalitarian bliss that they cannot see the inherent evil of Islam. They actually believe that people of all cultures and religions can and want to live side by side in a peaceful state of multicultural paradise. In fact, they believe that this incongruous, unnatural, intermingling of humanity is the only way to achieve peace and harmony in the world.
The left-wing lunatics certainly do not see things the way I see them and I know that. But they will never convince me that I should be ashamed because I am white; that I am guilty for the mistakes of my ancestors; that I should renounce my country and my culture and turn it over to the predatory, anachronistic members of a medieval death cult; that "minorities" are entitled to special privileges and rights; that it's my fault some people are fat, lazy and poor, or that I should feel guilty for working harder and acquiring more material possessions than the "less fortunate" folks down the road.
These blind fools don't manipulate the facts about Islam in an attempt to deceive or deliberately obfuscate the facts. They simply tune out the negative aspects of Islam because they have programmed themselves to believe that white, Christian Europeans are the root of all evil. To them, nothing could be more malevolent than Christianity and white racists, so Islam is harmless. Since many muslims are not "white", criticism of Islam is the evil persecution of non-whites by whites--- racism. If they were forced to re-think their ridiculous theories, their existence would be meaningless and their fantasy worlds would collapse. These pompous social engineers are incapable of discerning true evil because they have no moral compass.
Multiculturalist liberals also accept without question such things as forced marriages, wife beating, female lapidation, polygamy and female genital mutililation and never raise a peep. Criticising someone from another culture who practises this is racist apparently. It's only belatedly that the British government has decided to take some measures against Pakistani families forcing their girls into marriages with "cousins" or Somalians and Kenyans taking their girls back home for an "operation" and even so, the multicultarilists are whinging that this is a sacred part of their culture.
Suasanp: So very well put! Here! Here!
Sorry for the misspelling of your name.
Susanp:
Thank you for a great post. I often read your posts & think "oh, why bother, Susanp has ...etc etc"
If I may, I would like to revamp your text for my latest Princess Bliar barrage.