The non-violent jihadists, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, are not going to go gentle into that good night. From AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Among the measures Blair announced Friday is the outlawing of the Muslim group Hizb-ut-Tahrir. The government did not elaborate on why the group was being proscribed, only naming it as part of the drive to uproot Islamic extremism.A Hizb-ut-Tahrir spokesman, Nasreen Nawas, said at a news conference Saturday that the government's aim is "the curtailment of legitimate Islamic political debate."
Hizb-ut-Tahrir, formed in Jerusalem in 1953, has a presence in several European nations and has been active in Britain for almost two decades. It insists it is a nonviolent political organization, although it has been outlawed in Russia and several Middle Eastern and Central Asian countries and faces restrictions in Germany.
The group's aim is to overthrow "unelected dictators and despots who rule the Muslim world with the West's approval," Nawas said.
He said Hizb-ut-Tahrir advocates establishing a caliphate including all Muslim lands — a state he said would have a democratically elected government, independent judiciary and respect for human rights.
So says Nawas via AP. Here, from Forum 18, is a bit more forthright report about the organization's goals:
Hizb-ut-Tahrir, whose headquarters is illegally based in Jordan, is banned or treated as illegal in all the Central Asian republics. It aims to achieve the unification of Muslims worldwide under a single caliphate and believes that western democracy is unacceptable to Muslims. Countries such as the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel are considered to be the work of the devil. Blatant anti-Semitism is a characteristic of the party's ideology. For example, Hizb-ut-Tahrir leaflets distributed illegally in Uzbekistan invariably call the Uzbek president Islam Karimov a "Jewish kafir". One Uzbek member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir expressed his regret to Forum 18 that Hitler had not succeeded in eliminating all Jews.Hizb-ut-Tahir members told Forum 18 that ideally an Islamic state should be formed, as the prophet Mohammed decreed, at the initiative of citizens. However given today's conditions, it was said that such a step "would become a farce, like the so-called European democracy", and so the decision to form an Islamic state should be taken by the most "influential people" (i.e. powerful politicians and businessmen). Ideally it was said, all the countries of the world would join the caliphate although Hizb-ut-Tahir plans to allow non-Muslim countries, such as the United States and the United Kingdom, not to join the caliphate provided that they pay a tax to it. They would then fall under the protection of the caliphate and it would defend their interests. If non-Muslim countries refused to pay the tax, the caliphate would launch military attacks against them.
In the caliphate itself Christian and Jewish communities would be permitted because, according to the Koran, adherents of these religions are "people of the Book". Other religions, including Buddhism, Hinduism and the Hare Krishna faith, would be considered pagan sects and would be banned. In particular, the caliphate's leadership would oppose what it regards as sects within Islam itself (including Ahmadiyya, Bahai'ism and Ismailism). In Hizb-ut-Tahrir's view, the only true Muslims are those who adhere to the four Madhabs {i.e. the four separate schools of legal interpretation within Shariah law). Those who depart from the Madhabs would be considered as apostates and liable to punishment according to Islamic law.
All citizens in the caliphate would have to abide by Sharia law when outside their homes. For example, all women would have to wear long dresses and scarves when in public places. However, Hizb-ut-Tahir members told Forum 18 that in Christian and Jewish quarters women could wear clothes permitted by the laws of their own religion. Christians and Jews would also be allowed to drink alcohol within their own communities, if that was required for religious rituals. Although all citizens of the caliphate would be subject to Sharia law, Christians and Jews could administer justice according to their own laws in what were described as internal matters (i.e. marriage, divorce and the assignment of possessions).
Here is their English website
http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html
Their old site
Islamic State/Kalifa shows a blank page now.
These jihadist goals, of course, are entirely consistent with Abu Hamza's view that all non-Muslim lands in fact belong to Allah and Allah's people, and that non-Muslims must either "pay rent, move, or die".
http://www.khilafah.com/home/index.php
From the above site...You have got to be kidding.
Muslims should be mindful of the many problems associated with reporting and recording history. We should be aware of the spin and propaganda potential of history. We should be able to spot its use in polemical presentations. We should not manipulate historical account to bolster our arguments. The strength of an argument should be based on the clear representation of the reality and on the solutions derived from purely Islamic sources
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=Hisb+u+tahir/v=2/SID=e/TID=BVT_6/l=WS1/R=1/SS=43589772/IPC=au/SHE=0/H=0/;_ylt=AugHHj1zxHmYMTkQLg5pKzdXNyoA/SIG=11iab2v6e/EXP=1123462356/*-http%3A//www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/
It's still there: Hisb ut Tahrir official website. See if you can get in.
Carolyn2:
We should be aware of the spin and propaganda potential of history. We should be able to spot its use in polemical presentations. We should not manipulate historical account to bolster our arguments. The strength of an argument should be based on the clear representation of the reality and on the solutions derived from purely Islamic sources
Islam is based on lies and deception. You take the propaganda away, the intimidation, the fanaticism and the Jizya, and the whole thing will vanish in the ozone...
These nice little muslims don't even try to hide their true intensions. It is all spelled out right the on the site.
Had to do a blog entry on this one ... enjoy!
Hizb ut-Tahrir has got their panties in a wad.
It's unbelievable that the UK will have to spend tons of resources to make a ban stick. The UK still has a ways to go before they get their act together.
Sounds like a real paridise to me. The dream of Islamic law enforced throughout the world lacks all common sense and is devoid of all human rights and all human diversity. I will never really understand why someone would actually want to live under this law...it is essentially bringing hell onto earth.
I find it strange that Muslims can look at the way they live as just, peaceful and proud. One only has to look at islamic countries around the world to see that Islam ,as law, brings nothing but poverty and degrades human thought, creation and indiduality to nothing. Why is that so attractive to these muslims? I never thought people would strive to live and behave like animals.
Check this out, The Sect that Loves Terror
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
HT, as they are known, should be taken seriously as they are strong in number and their ideology is firm. Not to be over-looked or thought they will merely walk away. They will not. Not without a fight. They will be of the forces to be reckoned with in the coming weeks, months. Unfortunately, UK not out of the woods yet.
a better link
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16960_Inside_the_Sect_That_Loves_Terror&only
Ideally it was said, all the countries of the world would join the caliphate although Hizb-ut-Tahir plans to allow non-Muslim countries, such as the United States and the United Kingdom, not to join the caliphate provided that they pay a tax to it. They would then fall under the protection of the caliphate and it would defend their interests. If non-Muslim countries refused to pay the tax, the caliphate would launch military attacks against them.
The nonexistent caliphate with its imaginary army has a long row to hoe before it will have the means to "launch military attacks" against the U.S. and the U.K. Yes, I can see it now---the great caliphate is going to make dhimmis of us all! These guys must drop acid or something; they are totally delusional.
"If non-Muslim countries refused to pay the tax, the caliphate would launch military attacks against them".
There it is again...the everlovin tax...Money...the root of all evil...boy do they love money...
Undoubtedly they will try to claim that Jihad is a legitimate religious "right" and they are being discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. Oh the humanity of it all!
"All citizens in the caliphate would have to abide by Sharia law when outside their homes. For example, all women wouldhave to wear long dresses and scarves when in public places. However, Hizb-ut-Tahir members told Forum 18 that in Christian and Jewish quarters women could wear clothes permitted by the laws of their own religion. Christians and Jews would also be allowed to drink alcohol within their own communities, if that was required for religious rituals. Although all citizens of the caliphate would be subject to Sharia law, Christians and Jews could administer justice according to their own laws in what were described as internal matters (i.e. marriage, divorce and the assignment of possessions).
This is part of what is so amazing about Islam. They have been living in limbo for so long in their own communities, within their own minds, that they actually think we have as well. Consider how out of touch they are with reality. They believe that the non-Muslim world is divided up into Christian and Jew. They don't acknowledge that there are secular people out there who have their own ways of doing things. They actually believe that Christian and Jewish communities are organized the same as they were back in the middle ages. They believe that most Christians and Jews are as religious today as they were back in those days. Their whole philosophy of life can't accept that time has moved on and that people have changed, that things are not as they were. Instead, they want to move everything back 1300 years, into a framework they can understand to cope with the cognitive dissonance of modern society. How sad and pathetic! sigh
"All citizens in the caliphate would have to abide by Sharia law when outside their homes. For example, all women wouldhave to wear long dresses and scarves when in public places. However, Hizb-ut-Tahir members told Forum 18 that in Christian and Jewish quarters women could wear clothes permitted by the laws of their own religion. Christians and Jews would also be allowed to drink alcohol within their own communities, if that was required for religious rituals. Although all citizens of the caliphate would be subject to Sharia law, Christians and Jews could administer justice according to their own laws in what were described as internal matters (i.e. marriage, divorce and the assignment of possessions).
This is part of what is so amazing about Islam. They have been living in limbo for so long in their own communities, within their own minds, that they actually think we have as well. Consider how out of touch they are with reality. They believe that the non-Muslim world is divided up into Christian and Jew. They don't acknowledge that there are secular people out there who have their own ways of doing things. They actually believe that Christian and Jewish communities are organized the same as they were back in the middle ages. They believe that most Christians and Jews are as religious today as they were back in those days. Their whole philosophy of life can't accept that time has moved on and that people have changed, that things are not as they were. Instead, they want to move everything back 1300 years, into a framework they can understand to cope with the cognitive dissonance of modern society. How sad and pathetic! sigh
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