Was this madrasa intended to teach violent jihad or not? "Islamic school furor," from the Sacramento Bee, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Supporters of the center envision a small elementary school that embraces traditional Islamic values, a gathering place for Muslim women who are otherwise sequestered at home, a playground, a library and a site for worship."There's a huge need for it," said Pamela Parvez, a Lodi mother of seven who makes an 80-mile round-trip drive each weekday to ferry her fourth-grader to an Islamic school in Sacramento.
But federal attorneys and agents, mounting a counterterrorism offensive in Lodi, saw a darker future for the Farooqia Islamic Center. They have alleged in court that the facility's secret mission may have been to recruit and groom American Muslims for the jihad - the holy war against enemies of Islam.
In testimony at an immigration court hearing Aug. 9, FBI agent Gary Schaaf compared the Lodi school to militant madrassahs - Muslim seminaries - in Pakistan: "Our investigation has come across information that the (planned Lodi) madrassah is part of a long-term plan ... during which students would be spotted and assessed and maybe eventually be ready to commit acts of violence in the U.S."
Supporters of the Farooqia Islamic Center emphatically deny any connection with terrorism.
"The intent was for the school to teach kindergarten through fourth grade," said Taj Khan, a leader in Lodi's large Pakistani community and member of the center's board of directors.
"It was to be an independent charter school licensed by the state. How could it be a terrorist school? A 5-year-old terrorist? It is mind-boggling. God help the FBI if they think that right under the noses of the community such a thing could be established."
The FBI will not elaborate on its allegations, saying the investigation continues.
"...embraces traditional islamic values..."
Any questions?
Ayatollah Khomeini:
"A man can have sex with a child as young as three..."
Mohammed married Aisha when she was six and "consumed the marriage" when she was nine....
To be a "martyr" with five is an "honor"- is it not? What does it take to be a "good Muslim?"
Com'on, Mohideen, where are you Ia456, Slabadin, King Schwanz,
Zman, give us your valued opinion.....??
How do these people get here? What is the immigration policy about people whom, just ot monitor, are costing the rest of us a fortune, and whose presence is not part of some "rich fabric of diversity" but rather, makes our lives far more unpleasant, expensive, and in the end physically insecure, than they would be without such a presence. Whatever has been done in the past about such immigration, it cdlearly was a mistake.
What is the nature of the oath one must take to become a citizen? Is there not an easily demonstrable contradiction between Islamic belief, and the loyalty owed solely to Islam and to the umma al-islamiyya, and the loyalty that one supposedly offers to the Infidel nation-state? When will this contradiction be noted, be raised in Congress, in the press? Ever? Or will we all pretend that this is merely a matter of "anti-immigrant" sentiment, when it is a matter quite specifically having to do with the nature, the tenets, the attitudes, that Islam inculcuates and which, we must assume, Muslims in fact believe -- for if they do not believe it, and are "Muslim-for-identificdation-purposes-only" Muslims, that needs to be made clear. The word "religion" cannot be used to disguise or camouflage a geopolitical program, with a clear history over 1350 years, of being implemented, by whatever instruments -- chiefly, but not exslusively, outright military conquest -- of Jihad to spread Islam were available and effective. Outright military conquest will not do, either with Western Europe, or America, or Israel. Demographic conqeust -- compare the percentage of non-Muslims in the popuulations of Paksitan and Bangladesh, since independence, wtih the percentage of Muslims in the population of India, and you will have some idea of the inexorable rise in numbers, and hence in power, of Muslims. This kind of thing cannot be allowed to go on. We do not have to commit civilizational or any other kind of suicide. We owe Muslims exactly nothing.
And citizenship can be stripped from those whose beliefs, it can be shown, cannot possibly allow for loyalty to the Infidel nation-state and its understandings. It is not enough to say "we are here for good and this is our country." That may seem acceptable; it is in fact a statement of defiance and ownership. What one wishes is a clear renunciation of Jihad and of much else in Islam that can easily be discovered in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. Ignorance of the contents of these canonical texts, claimed by some Muslims, is not an acceptable excuse -- not any longer. As the law knows, one can be held "to have nown" something even if one has not, in fact, known it. And one suspects those who claim "I didn't know this" are feigning ignorance, hoping to get by, hoping to remain, to breed, and to eventually have such numbers that in truth they cannot be dislodeged, and will have changed our society forever, and put us, the Infidels, unceasingly on the defensive, and on the run.
For far less, for a threat that was at the time nonexistent, the most advanced and tolerant state in Eastern or Central Europe, Czechoslovakia, run by two of the most tolerant, and advanced representatives of the best not only of Czech, but of Western civilization -- Tomas Masaryk (the son, later pushed out of a window by NKVD agents in the Second Defenestration -- or, really, Third -- of Prague), and Eduard Benes, proceeded for reasons of security, long-run security, to expel from Czechoslovakia 3 million ethnic Germans, the so-called Sudeteners, many but not all of whom had supported Hitler, and been used by him to undermine Czech security. Benes and Masaryk believed that the presence of these ethnic Germans represented a permanent threat, and saw no reason why the non-German Czechs had to permanently endure such a threat.
And since that time, no one -- not General Svoboda, not the poet Jaroslav Siefert, not the statesman Vaclav Havel, not melancholy and noble Dubcek, not Pavel Kohut, nobody in Czechoslovakia has thought that decision wrong, and no one else, outside irredentist circles in Germany, have thought the Czechs had a thing to apologize for, even though those Sudeten Germans had been living in those lands for 600 years.
The Benes Decree can be found on-line. Take a look. Think about it, and those who supported it hten, and now. Think about the duty one may think is owed to some abstract idea, or to some notion based on nothing more than the insistence, hysterical at times, that "that is unthinkable" or "that can't be done" when it fact it has often been thought, often been done, and in some cases, as with the Benes Decree, for perfectly justifiable and understandable reasons.
Think of how the hysterical refusal to discuss these matters clamly, overcomes any notion that one's country is based on certain understandings and attitudes, and that, in a situation without precedent in human history, large numbers of people who do not wish their "enemies" well have managed nonetheless to have settled in, to have even been naively welcomed in, to the Bilad al-Kufr, the lands of the Infidels, not in order to keep those lands permanently Infidel, but to do whatever can be done (within reason, not upsetting applecarts, at least not yet) to islamize these countries. If you share the view that Islam is unlike any other belief-system that has been called a "religion" but is in fact a system for conquest and domination, and it is this system, not the observance of Ramadan or the methods of ablution (wudu) that we should pay attention to--you will begin to study the Benes Decreee. And you will also examine the history of mass expulsions, not least within the last few decades, and by Arab Muslim countries --Kuwait (400,000 "Palestinians" overnight, as a security risk), Libya ("Palestinians"), Saudi Arabia (one million Yemenis), and so on. It is absurd to think we can do nothing, but must sit passively as overbreeding and criminallly-negligent immigration policies help in Western Europe (without which the West does not exist) and North America to islamize the rest of us, steadily, little by little -- but inexorably. Every step in that direction makes our own lives more unpleasant and dangerous. We do not have to stand for it.
The San Francisco Chronicle has been reporting that the Government may have had a plant in Lodi,s Mosque and Islamic community for the past 3 years. After the arrest of the 5 Lodi residents, the man who went by the name of Nasim Khan suddenly vanished. Federal prosecutors say that they do have a cooperating witness for their case against the 5 muslims.
The lawyer for Hamid Hayat has been given 47 audio tapes of witness conversations who believes where made by Nasim Khan. Obviously there must have been some reason for the FBI to plant a mole in this Lodi mosque.
"How could it be a school for terrorists?
...God help the FBI if they think that right under the noses of the community such a thing could be established."
Why such a thing could never happen, he says.
Oh, really? Tell that to the communities surrounding the Islamic school in Virginia whose most famous graduate was arrested last year for the plot for assassinating the President.
I would wager if the FBI could plant moles in mosques across the country, they would find the same situation, i.e. jihad recruitment in greater or lesser degrees, at each and every one of them.
Hugh is right. The Benes Decree should be studied. Not the internment of the Japanese during WWII, ala Michelle Malkin, although her defense of that measure was sound. Permanent expulsion of Muslims from infidel lands is what is called for, unfortunately.
I doubt if Western Europe will embrace this idea, but I have no doubt that Americans would if pushed to that point. I also think that part of the reason why bin Laden et all want to mount such a huge attack (American Hiroshima) is that it would make such measures impossible to enforce by causing a complete breakdown of American society. They sense American resolution is much stronger than in Europe.
War is savage business, but civilization has proven time and time again that it quickly recovers. It will do so again.
Let me see if I got this straight. Every year there are lawsuits to ban Christmas is schools, yet these same people don't seem to have a problem with founding a jihadist school. Shows what side their on, doesn't it.
What? In America? How could that have happened if a vast majority of the American Muslims are as peaceful, tolerant and enlightened, as we're being routinely told by scores of Islamic apologist and even some clear-eyed scholars — who have also been tricked into believing the integration-fails-only-in-Europe myth — such as Irshad Manji.
Why was there no opposition from the local Muslim community? Why didn't parents start withdrawing their children en masse as soon as they learned the school preached jihadist sentiments — which is what I'm sure they knew long before the FBI? Why didn't they hold a protest march, as they usually do when they read the news about 'another act of Zionist nazism' in their local newspapers? Why did no one attempt to marginalize the madrassa's staff, take over it and transform it into a place where genuine moderation would be taught?
There are millions of similar whys, but the answer is surprisingly simple: the madrassahs did not contradict a single tenet of Islam.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org
And speaking of Mr. Taj Khan,
Joe Guzzardi, in one of his fine opinion pieces, wrote, on 8-20-05, of his fellow Lodi News-Sentinel columnist:
"Through his News-Sentinel column, Khan is perceived by Lodians as the voice of local Muslims. And that's a shame because the Muslim community deserves a responsible representative.
In one of my recent columns, I suggested that Khan owed the people of Lodi an apology for the misleading statements he made about the immigration status of the two imams, Shabbir Ahmed and Mohammad Adil Khan.
Early in the investigation, Taj Khan insisted that no violations occurred. And to this day, Khan persists even though both imams agreed to be deported rather than go to trial.
Yet Khan made no apology. And he never will.
More troubling is that Khan refuses to back down from his earlier statement quoted by Lodi News-Sentinel reporter Ross Farrow regarding Imam Shabbir.
Said Khan: "Shabbir would never, never, never preach violence."
In light of Shabbir's own admission that he once called for Pakistanis to join al-Qaida in Afghanistan to kill Americans, it is a mystery why Khan cannot -- as adults often do -- confess his error.
Instead, Khan testified glowingly about Shabbir during the imam's recent immigration hearing reiterating that he had been a good leader for the community.
But despite Khan's endorsement of the imam, Immigration Judge Anthony Murray declined to set bail for Shabbir saying, "I am compelled to find you are both a flight risk and a danger to the community."
Who should we believe, Khan or the immigration judge acting on copious evidence presented to him by the FBI.?
Taj Khan: "A 5-year-old terrorist? It is mind-boggling. God help the FBI if they think that right under the noses of the community such a thing could be established."
Well, I guess G-d helped the FBI. Does anyone remember this "Pali" baby in full battle dress, courtesy of Hamas? Click on the link for the photo.
http://dougwright.ksl.com/show_7335.php
HEBRON, West Bank (AP) — The grandfather of a Palestinian baby who was photographed in a suicide bomber's costume — replete with fake explosives, ammunition belt and red Hamas headband — said Saturday that the disguise was a joke.
Initially denying the baby in the photograph — which was splashed across the front pages of Israeli newspapers and international television networks — was his grandson, Redwan Abu Turki finally admitted he was related to the child.
"This picture was at a rally at the university. The picture was taken just for the fun of it," he told The Associated Press in an interview.
Redwan Abu Turki said his son, Nader Abu Turki, is the baby's father and is wanted by the Israeli army. He said Nader has been on the run since the army searched the family's home last week seeking to arrest him for involvement with the Islamic militant group Hamas.
The army said it found the photograph of the baby in a family album while looking for a current picture of Nader. The army distributed the photograph to the media. Military officials said they also found an assault rifle, grenades and explosives during the sweep of the house.
The picture incensed Israelis, who have been targeted in 71 suicide bombings in the past 21 months. Israeli newspaper headlines read "Terror in Diapers" and "Born to Kill" over the picture of the baby, who appeared to be 12 to 18 months old.
Palestinian Labor Minister Ghassan Khatib said it was understandable that Palestinians living under Israeli occupation would teach their children violence toward Israelis.
The army, he said, distributed the picture to "tell the world that the Palestinians are teaching their children how to hate Israel and how to act against Israel."
Khatib said that he and the Palestinian Authority are against suicide bombings.
The next time the Farooqia Islamic Center ridicules us for thinking they are training their kids, post some of the pictures of the Palestian kids as young as two carrying AK-47s.