I have noted many times that no negotiated settlement is possible in Israel because of the intransigence that stems from the doctrine of jihad. Exhibit A this afternoon is Hamas leader Dr. Mahmoud Al-Zahar. "An Interview with Hamas Leader Dr. Mahmoud Al-Zahar," from MEMRITV, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
The following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahar that appeared in Asharq Al Awsat on August 18, 2005....Q: "Will Hamas continue the resistance after the disengagement plan is implemented?"
A: "Our plan is not to liberate the Gaza Strip, nor is it to liberate the West Bank or to liberate Jerusalem. Our plan in the first stage is to liberate the lands occupied in 1967. Those who view it as a strategic solution and those who view it as an interim solution have agreed upon this plan. Therefore, we will not take over the Gaza Strip and live there peacefully while the Zionist enemy is detaining thousands of our sons and occupying the West Bank. The resistance must move to the West Bank to expel the occupation."...
Q: "Will Hamas resume its operations in Israeli towns after the withdrawal?"
A: "Firstly, there are no Israeli towns. These are settlements. If the aggression and occupation continue, the Palestinian people will have no alternative but to defend themselves. The Palestinian people are not killing the occupiers or being killed out of fun or madness. The life spent by our generation in killing, imprisonment, and exile is not the life that we want for our sons. We want them to live in security and peace and to live in a homeland in which they are able to move and not to live as slaves of the Israeli enemy."
Q: "In other words, the resistance of Hamas in the future will be in response to Israeli actions."
A: "No, our position depends on two things: the withdrawal from the Palestinian territories and the extent of the aggression against the Palestinian people."
Our Position Stems from Our Religious Convictions
Q: "You talk about attacks on the Palestinian territories as if you recognize the existence of Israel."
A: "I strongly disagree with your statement. We do not and will not recognize a state called Israel. Israel has no right to any inch of Palestinian land. This is an important issue. Our position stems from our religious convictions. This is a holy land. It is not the property of the Palestinians or the Arabs. This land is the property of all Muslims in all parts of the world. We regard the Gaza Strip, Jerusalem, and the West Bank as a geographical unit, as mentioned by resolutions 242 and 338, which have not been implemented. We are currently talking about this area."
Read it all.
Note to Rice, Bush, Two-State-Solutioners Everywhere:
Israel is an Infidel state. It exists on land that was once under Muslim control. While it is maddening that any territory in the world is under Infidel control, and the entire world must ultimately be subjugated by the forces of Islam, it is most maddening that a sliver of territory, in the middle of dar al-Islam, and possessed by the despised Yahudim, should continue to remain outside of Muslim control. This cannot be allowed to continue. Five years, a decade, fifty years, it doesn't matter. There is general agreement among almost all Arabs, and a good many Muslims, that Israel cannot be permitted to exist. But as outright military conquest has so far proved impossible, and even at times self-defeating, other means -- say such "moderates" as Arafat's loyal right-hand man Abbas -- must be employed. And that is exactly what they are doing, with a little help from a confused yet at the same time obstinate Sharon, cheered on not only by the Left in Israel, but by the same people who have acted as if Bush can do no wrong, and that the war in Iraq to create a model Muslim democracy is a brilliant stroke (one thinks of Krauthammer, for example, and others who have their points, but are not entitled to blanket approval when they go seriously wrong, and go wrong precisely because they still do not get Islam.
It is only when Islam is understood, that so much else becomes explicable. The behavior of Muslims no longer surprises, the fact that all Muslim agreements with Israel end up being versions of the Al-Hudaibiyya agreement, to be breached by the Muslim side as soon as that becomes possible, even the behavior of Muslims, moderate and immoderate, in the Western world becomes perfectly transparent and comprehensible. But if one does not take the time (possibly a few weeks or a few months of reading, re-reading, familiarizing oneself, and then thinking and thinking about what it all means, without letup) one will continue always to endure a hovering mental fog that cannot be dissipated.
Once Islam is understood, the way that defectors from Islam understand it, the way that Schacht and Fattal and St. Clair Tisdall and Zwember understood it, so much becomes clear. One becomes sober, and possibly even melancholy, as one realizes what a terrible and long-term threat is now posed, a threat that need not have been allowed to grow and grow (there was no need to ignore the uses to which OPEC revenues would naturally be put; there was no need to allow millions of Muslims behind Infidel (enemy) lines.
Yet, despite this, once one obtains an understanding, everything falls into place, everything makes sense, rather than adding to the confusion. And one's own awareness that clarity has been achieved (just ask yourself, gentle reader and visitor or contributor to JihadWatch), is in its way positively bracing.
Robert, thank you for continuing to expose the truth. Since you don't support trackbacks, I hope you won't mind a manual one that is germaine to Gaza.
OT, Get this...terrorism is ruled out. From FNC
FOXFAN CENTRAL
Blast Hurts Woman in San Francisco Shopping Mall
Friday, August 19, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO — A fiery explosion from an underground utility chamber in the downtown shopping district Friday critically burned a woman, sent a manhole cover flying and shattered windows at a Polo Ralph Lauren clothing store, authorities said.
The cause was still under investigation hours later, but authorities ruled out terrorism.
Our position stems from our religious convictions. This is a holy land. It is not the property of the Palestinians or the Arabs. This land is the property of all Jews in all parts of the world. We regard the Gaza Strip, Jerusalem, and the West Bank as a geographical unit.
That is more like it!
Krauthammer
"What to do? Something Israel should have done long ago: active and relentless deterrence. Israel should announce that henceforth, any rocket launched from Palestinian territory will immediately trigger a mechanically automatic response in which five Israeli rockets will be fired back. There will be no human intervention in the loop. Every Palestinian rocket landing in Israel will instantly trigger sensors and preset counter-launchers. Any Palestinian terrorist firing up a rocket will know that he is triggering six: one Palestinian and five Israeli"
Hello
This is the first time i have posted anything on this website . I have looked at this site almost every day for about a month the reason i looked for this kind of site was because of a man called Tawfik Hamid phoned a radio stadion and explained all about islam and since then i have been facinated . i think this site i excellent BUT.
I find it very hard to believe when i see people typing things like (This land is the property of all Jews in all parts of the world) as far as i knew Britain gave this land to the Jews ,which wasnt theres to give away anyway . maybe i am wrong about this and if i am please let me know .
Thanks
Maruk,
Read history not propoganda. There have been Jews in Isreal long before there were Enlanders in England.
Mark UK, if you truly heard about islam on the radio and are "fascinated"...Run, run like the wind away from the most evil cult ever conceived by man.
Let tha dogs bark... Mark welcoem to JW, i'ma Brit too...
Jews r a ppl to b admired, even after 2000+ yrs of exile they've still maintained enuf attachment to the land to immigrate to it, leaving their comfy lives in west... unlike other notable Kaffirs such as Hindu Sindhi who've tamely accepted the fact that they may never see foot on the land they'd dwelt on since the dawn of Indo-Aryan civilization upto 1947.
Didn't Mark Twain visit Palestine(if it was even called that) in the 1800s. He wrote that it was nothing but desert. If it was uninhabited until the British how could muslims lay a claim to it?
Can anyone fill me in on the details?
lonely_soul: Palestine first came under Arab rule under Caliph Omar. He built Al Aqsa (Also known as Mosque of Omar) over the site of Second Temple. Its had been under uninterrupted Arab/Muslim hegemony since 14th to 19th centuries. Yes the population desity of Palestine was very low (considering it was muslim cntry). But Jews really infused life into Palestine. They converted thousands of hectres of swamps and destert wasteland into profitable farms. Funny how Saudi (who h8 anything Israeli) have no qualms abt using Israel farming techniques like Drip irrigation. For further back ground of creation of Israel read:"O Jerusalem" or more un-PC "On The Edge of Sword".
Comment
The risk of a third intifada
Marwan Bishara
Thursday August 18, 2005
The Guardian
Once the media circus is over, Israel's melodramatic withdrawal from the Gaza Strip should be judged by how it improves Palestinian lives and the chances of a just and peaceful resolution of the conflict.
On the face of it, ending 38 years of Israel's military and civilian occupation is welcome news. The evacuation of hundreds of illegally implanted Jewish families from the midst of a million and a half Palestinians, 85% of them refugees, will close the curtains on some of the occupation's most cynical scenes. That's why Palestinians are celebrating the withdrawal as a defeat for the occupation and victory for years of resistance. As a new Palestinian slogan goes, they hope for "Gaza today, tomorrow Jerusalem and the West Bank".
That is precisely what Ariel Sharon's plan aims to prevent. As settlers grieve, most Israelis approve of the withdrawal as a necessary demographic disengagement from an area that encompasses 2% of historical Palestine and 20% of all Palestinians. Israel's strategic redeployment around the hostile Strip and its total control over Gaza's ports and crossings allows it, at will, to turn the area into one big prison.
Once Palestinians are preoccupied with rebuilding their shattered lives under international scrutiny, Israel will accelerate the de facto annexation of the settlement blocs in the West Bank and Jerusalem. In the first three months of 2005, construction in the West Bank settlements increased by 83%, when in Israel proper it decreased by a quarter. As a general, Sharon understands that in war one must at times cede tactically in order to win strategically. Accordingly and "in the absence of a Palestinian peace partner", Israel will disengage from Gaza in order to impose its vision on the 10 times larger West Bank and Jerusalem: the crown jewels of the occupation.
This translates into a de facto disengagement from the peace process. Instead of basing Israel's steps on agreements with the Palestinians, Sharon is doing the opposite - act first, talk later - in complicity with Washington, which wants the Palestinians to accept the Sharon plan as the only game in town, regardless of its motives, in order to reshape their destiny. Their leadership should begin by "dismantling the infrastructure of terrorism" and raise the banner of good governance in its stead.
Palestinians have every interest in making Gaza work for its people and as a step towards their goal of full statehood in all lands occupied in 1967. The Palestinian Authority has made commendable efforts to organise the security forces, improve transparency and end corruption. Mahmoud Abbas, the president, has reached ceasefires with the armed Palestinian factions, and the largest, Hamas, has joined the political process. After an impressive showing in the municipal vote, the Islamist group will participate, for the first time, in the legislative elections, now set for January.
The politicisation of the Islamist groups will make them more accountable to their electorate for their actions, including all attacks on Israeli civilians. They will be forced to balance their relations of force with Israel against their power relations with competing groups in the emerging Palestinian entity.
The viability of Gaza, according to the World Bank, will depend primarily on its open crossings, especially to the West Bank. That will prove an uphill battle with a Sharon government that demands, as a precondition to "concessions", that the Palestinian Authority crack down on Hamas and other armed factions, whose supporters constitute from a third to a half of the Gaza Strip population. Any such attempt will escalate into civil war.
Squeezed between Sharon's war and a war among brothers, the Palestinian leadership and opposition will probably appeal for international intervention. My guess is that Sharon will unilaterally impose the "state in Gaza first" option and open the process for years of bargaining that one day could lead to half a state on half of the West Bank and Gaza. If the Bush administration goes along with Sharon, a third intifada will follow the one that erupted five years ago when American and Israeli leaders tried to corner another Palestinian president at Camp David.
All Palestinians deserve an immediate end to an ordeal that includes freedom from occupation that has lasted decades. Anything less would transform Israel's Gaza nightmare into a daily West Bank reality.
· Marwan Bishara is a lecturer at the American University of Paris and author of Palestine/Israel: Peace or Apartheid
marwanbishara2000@yahoo.com
Seymour's prediction (speaking of my on-line personna in the third person): Within 6 months, in response to an massive escalation in attacks on Israel from Gaza, Israel will launch an all-out attack on Gaza (now freed from worrying about the fate of Jewish settlers there). This will likely bring Egypt into the fray, since they will have permitted heavy armour to enter Gaza from Egypt. Things will deteriorate from there. Hezbollah will take that opportunity to launch attacks on Northern Israel (thinking they can replay 1967). Israel will of course easily win on both fronts (there will be minor incursions from Jordan and nothing from Syria). Gaza's economy will be in complete ruins; the West Bank in more turmoil, sealed off; Christians will continue to flee.