Jihad sole solution to Kashmir: Salahuddin

India should just settle this matter once and for all. We have fought them in 1947-48, 1965, 1971 and recently in Kargil 1999.

Honestly, India should just wipe them out and push them into the sea. Whatever territory we win, we keep. India was divided on the basis of religion and since the muslims wanted it, and the ones who stayed behind keep complaining about India, I say we ship them all into the Islamic world, just deport all of them. Then lets see how much Islamic love there is for their brother and sisters once they have to support millions of starving Islamic refugess.

India should stop adopting the "Prithviraj Syndrome", honestly because it will end in disaster.

Furthermore, with such outright demand for Jihad, the Indian government should stop its appeasement of Muslims by first stop paying for the annual pilgrimage for all muslims who wish to go. Yes, people the Indian Govt. subsidises the Haj or pilgrimage to Mecca for all Indian muslims, and yet we still have a Jihadi problem, gee I wonder why?

Furthermore, Islamic institutions are not taxed, but Hindu temples are taxed (example: Tirupati Balaji and Jagannath temples).

Let them come, Musharaff once said during a speech in 2003 that the reason why Pakistan never wins a war or invasion against India is because of two military Hindu regiments, The Rajput Regiment and the Gorkha Regiment.

Let them come, our Khukris are ready.

-Ayo Gorkhali

The American government, if it is sensible, will signal, or more openly express, its complete support for India. This "even-handendness" makes no sense. Muslim demands do not stop, and have no permanent or logical end; Muslim appetites are not whetted, but sated, by any attempt at compromise, any demonstration of good will by enemy Infidels. This is a lesson that the Israelis refuse to learn, to their own great sorrow. Their refusal to learn that lesson, and what it has led to should, in turn, lead to another kind of lesson being learned.

In the view of any true muslim this land was muslim 500 years ago.

Since one any land succumbs to the cancer of islam.

There is no choice but to reclaim it for islam again..

No matter what the people decide its too bad..

This is why Ghandi seperated the muslims from the hindus by creating pakistan..

Hoping by giving them their own country they would leave the himdus alone..

He must be rolling in his grave as now they want more..
Sounds like the middle east doesnt it..

Sorry Jingoist but it wasn't Ghandi who created Pakistan, but the Brits. Ghandi sublimated the dire and horrendous history of the Hindu's at the hands of the Muslims (something which has come back to haunt India), as he sought to united Muslims and Hindu's in the struggle to liberate India from the Brits.

And here's a little unknown fact, it wasn't the non violent movement of Ghandi that drove out the Brits, it was the violence and threat of violence by Subra Chandra Bose, the Indian Nationalist, who served and got his experience in the Waffen SS, which scared the Brits out of India.

The Partition of India was the idea of Mountbatten and the Brits, divide them and thus create a state of hostility.

And another tidbit. The Secret LIfe of Mr. Jinnah Pakistan’s founder, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, a man who has long been considered only in the shadow of Mahatma Gandhi. Through archival footage and interviews, the documentary offers a more balanced portrait of Jinnah and of the division of British India into two separate sovereign states. Jinnah, it argues, was not a hard-line Muslim separatist, but an agnostic politician and lawyer who preferred tactics and legality to the populism of Gandhi. Jinnah is portrayed as having been opposed to dividing the sub-continent until he realized that Gandhi's dream for an India united in independence, with Hindu and Muslim living in harmony, could not be achieved. Produced by Australian Channel 4 to mark the 50th anniversary of the creation of the states of India and Pakistan. For more information on Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Click Here

What amazes me is the abysmal ignorance of people about events, as evidenced by your statement that Ghandi wanted to split India, when in fact the opposite was true.

Hugh, don't you mean "not sated, but whetted"?
If so, I agree thoroughly. Concessions, or even talk of concessions, always leads to demands for more.

@Giaour:

Actually, I agree with most of your points, however I feel the blame still lies with the muslims, the Brits merely took advantage of it. Dr. Naqvi was the first to propose the fact that muslims were a seperate nation, with Iqbal's poetic sense, the two-nation theory was brought forth.

The Mopillah uprisings of 1921 are another example as is the Kaliphate movement. Although the british did support the Islamic Jihadis against the Hindus and India (thanks Brits), even though the history of British India shows that the Hindus were more trustworthy and were preferred in enlistment of the British Armed forces over muslims, I still lay more blame on the muslims since they have always had anomosity towards us, whether or not the British had come to India.

I agree with you about Netaji (Subhash Chandra Bose and the INA), however the British also knew they had lost the support of the Indian forces that were returing to India after World War 2. The Travincore Cochin Navy, as an example, killed its British officers and began bombarding the Bombay harbour. The British wanted to execute Field Marshal Kiani, Gen Shah Nawaz Khan and Col. Ganpat Rai Nagar during the infamous Red Fort Trials, but were unable to from the growing anti-British climate.

@jingoist:

If the muslims were to be given a seperate country in order to leave the Hindus alone, then every single muslim should have been kicked out of India, yet this wasn't the case and that old bastard left a legacy which still haunts the upcoming generations.

Gandhi did not win India's independence, he simply is the father of Pakistan and South Asia's Jihad movement.

As for Kashmir, it is Hindu land, it is the Land of Kashyap hence the name Kashmir. The Muslims are thieves and should go sit in their desert which is their homeland.

What? Negotiation is being thrown out in favor of violence? Violence is never the solution! What kind of a war-mongering imperialistic scum would come out and advocate violence?

What? He's a Muslim? Oh, that's different. Never mind, no problem here. Move along, there's nothing to see, just move along.

The Namdhari sikhs: Pioneers of freedom movement

'No Indian can deny the importance of efforts put in by Sat Guru Ram Singh Ji seventy five years back in achieving freedom for the motherland. Congress merely followed the path shown by him and attained independence.' - India's first Prime Minister, 1947.
http://www.punjabilok.com/misc/freedom/namdhari_freedom_move.htm

Gandhi refused to see the realities of human nature; of Islamic doctrine with its ambition of domination; of the modern mentality with its resentment of autocratic impositions; of people’s daily needs making them willing to collaborate with the rulers in exchange for career and business opportunities; of the nationalism of the Hindus who would oppose the partition of their Motherland tooth and nail; of the nature of the Pakistani state as intrinsically anti-India and anti-Hindu.
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/articles/fascism/gandhimistake.html

Gandh`s experiment with Islam was a failure.
Jinnah also once said that `even a lowly muslim leper would be held in higher esteem than gandhi`- simply on account of religion.

I agree with jinah on that at least.

`“I would tell the Hindus to face death cheerfully if the Muslims are out to kill them. I would be a real sinner if after being stabbed I wished in my last moment that my son should seek revenge. I must die without rancour. (…) You may turn round and ask whether all Hindus and all Sikhs should die. Yes, I would say. Such martyrdom will not be in vain.” -Gandhi

I`m just sorry he wasn`t put to sleep earlier than he was.

Thank goodness the Sikhs beleived in the words of their 10th Guru (what is more welcome to a warrior than a righteous war) and therefore were able to keep the filthy mussies at bay.

Gandhi neither understood nor appreciated the Sikh Gurus and their message. He published arrant nonsense about Guru Gobind Singh's use of arms, calling him a misguided patriot. It took Ganda Singh to point out to Gandhi, "the apostle of non-violence," that Hindu Avatars, including Gandhi's favorites Ram and Krishna, carried arms.

I still cant understand why the India didnt attack Pakistan in December 2001 when terrosists attacked Indian parliament. That was the golden chance to wipe out all the Jihad factories operating in Pakistan. I heard Indian government stopped because of advise from The US as it will disrupt war on terror and also pressure from Indian outsourcing companies that it will ruin their business.

There is no such thing called good muslims!!! i have seen such a shameful things in muslim community in India that the mother and a daughter giving birth at the same time. If a muslim women gets married its like opening a factory...to produce useless & troublesome creatures...even after giving birth they wont send thir kids to school & thrown them on streets. They leave it to Allah(If he is there????may curse be upon him) to take care of them. Most of them work in garraiges/dirty roadside restuarants etc. at a very young age!! InshaAllah???(May curse be upon him)...

Islam is a religion founded by a stupid & followed by millions of stupids..A man went to caves and dreamt of an angel saying something to him and he said that to some fellow stupids. Some stupids believe him instantly..later some others were forced to believe that stupidity at knife point.They preach stupidity..to blow themselves out into pieces..Islam is a stupid...stupid... religion.

I still cant understand why the India didnt attack Pakistan in December 2001 when terrosists attacked Indian parliament. That was the golden chance to wipe out all the Jihad factories operating in Pakistan. I heard Indian government stopped because of advise from The US as it will disrupt war on terror and also pressure from Indian outsourcing companies that it will ruin their business.

There is no such thing called good muslims!!! i have seen such a shameful things in muslim community in India that the mother and a daughter giving birth at the same time. If a muslim women gets married its like opening a factory...to produce useless & troublesome creatures...even after giving birth they wont send thir kids to school & thrown them on streets. They leave it to Allah(If he is there????may curse be upon him) to take care of them. Most of them work in garraiges/dirty roadside restuarants etc. at a very young age!! InshaAllah???(May curse be upon him)...

Islam is a religion founded by a stupid & followed by millions of stupids..A man went to caves and dreamt of an angel saying something to him and he said that to some fellow stupids. Some stupids believe him instantly..later some others were forced to believe that stupidity at knife point.They preach stupidity..to blow themselves out into pieces..Islam is a stupid...stupid... religion.

Whats with all this Gandhi bashing??? Didn't any of you see the movie??

Gorkhali:

Deport them all, you say? To where? There are 130 million of them in India at last count. Pakistan and B'desh treat mussis of Indian origin like crap - "mohajir" crap, to be precise. Nobody wants Indian muslims, least of all Pak and B'desh.

As for Gandhi bashing, it has some merit. The man was a good man but a tad too nice for India's wellbeing. Its a charge often thrown (justifiably) at Nehru as well. They were all being nice and great and historical and magnanimous at India's expense. For too long under the Congress party rule has India been unable to revisit its history and ask tough questions aboutthe dubious legacies left behinnd by Gandhi and then, Nehru.

In any case, the Kashmir problem it seems has a solution. The balkanization of Pakistan into small, manageble parts and defanged of nukes. Its not so difficult as all that believe me. Pak's economy will collapse if the US desires that be so. A run on expat $ deposits will tank all the major banks and the stock market and the country's soverign debt rating. After that it's a short way to hell....(:-D)

Have a nice day, all.

every single terrorist killed by the security forces should be bathed with pig's blood and buried with pork. this should be done with Ayodhya terrorists recently killed. A reaction by the majority of 'peace-loving' muslims will expose their culpability with islamic terrorism.

iqbal?? isnt it a muslim name....

btw Gorkhali lets not get into this community base chauvanism... i kno 40000 Nepalis in Indian army r indespensable but lemme remind u tat regiments are only named after communities... but they arent exclusive. Tat means a non-Gorkha can also enlist in Gorkha regiment.

@Vikrant_Camberleykar:

C'mon Vikrant, of course I know that, but for myself its not about the community as much as it becomes about the values the regiment holds and embides to those who belong to it and the history against Islam that it still represents, and for those who hold the Gorkha traditions dear, both in Nepal and in India. For example, I met a retired officer,he was a buniya, but because he served in the Rajput Regiment, this man had become a Rajput in every way shape and form. I just sat their listening to him and thought "If only we infuse this type of spirit into every Hindu, we could save the nation from the muslims".

People tend to look at Gurkhas in India as a seperate community, which is to a certain extent true, however, many forget that Gorkhas originally come from Rajasthan, and are a mosaic of many Hindus.

However, it wasn't I who claimed it (although proud *smile*), it was Musharaff, I'll try and find out if there is a transcript somewhere.

However Vikrant, I understand your point, and I will try not to brag about it too much anymore....I'll try *smile*.

And btw, Iqbal is not only used by muslims but is also a name that is used by many Sikhs and Hindus of the Punjab. Just like my Sikh friend told me a joke once "What do you call a sikh with one hair? Iqbal: Ek-bal, Ek=one, bal=hair."

@voletti: Yes, its an impossible task to deport them all, however if they can have the will to divide India, we should have the will to save Her. And many of the Muslims are not even from India, we have a huge illegal immigration problem with Bangladeshi Muslims, the entire Assam, Bengal, Orissa, Uttar Pradesh areas are covered with them. When I was in Calcutta to visit some friends who were working as physicians for Mother Teresa's mission, they showed me the statistics of how many illiegal immigrants had come over, and the problem is getting worse. At last count its not 130 million, its at least 200 million (in 1947 there were 120 million muslims in India after the borders closed). And even if the muslims don't want the Mojahirs, not our problem, lets reunite these families of Islam and show them how much their fellow muslims love them. These same Indian muslims help in terroirst activities in India and are not loyal to the land.

The Gandhi bashing is simple, he was a crook. He cheated the people, he had his own poilitical agenda, he was not a Mahatma, and he didn't know the first thing about India's history. He was against Netaji Subash Chadra Bose, Bhagat Singh, Chandra Shekar Azad, Veer Savarkar. He referred to Maharana Pratap and Guru Gobind Singh as misguided patriots. He preached non-violence but beat his wife. He had an incestious affair with both his nieces (learned that from a class in University during Indian studies, and when I saw it in an old unedited autobiography of Gandhi "My Experiments with Truth" I was shocked to say the least). He made the pathetic Indian government give lakhs of rupees to help Pakistan after independence, to this day Pakistanis never appreciate that gesture, instead it probably help finance the Kashmir invasion.

In the refugee camps of India, refugees began demanding for his death, he was very unpopular after independence. You should get a copy of "The Men who Killed Gandhi", I got a copy form an old book store in New York, years back, its a good read and brings to light why Gandhi is not what the movie portrays him to be.

@duh_swami: And even in the movie, it showed Gandhi was willing to give the parliament to the Muslims and have them rule the Hindus just so that India is not divided, where was the logic in that? If the Muslims had come to power, then (1) many kingdoms would not have joined the Indian union. (2) there would have been a civil war. (3) What in the hell was Ghandhi thinking? Eventually the muslims would have tired to finish what they left undone, the complete conversion of India to Islam (the Borg).

-Cheers

I may be a born muslim/sikh/hindu but now Itry to live as good human being. Any ideology propagating terror, killing of innocents and plundering of their wealth, women and children is evil one and MUST BE FINISHED.

I may be a born muslim/sikh/hindu but now Itry to live as good human being. Any ideology propagating terror, killing of innocents and plundering of their wealth, women and children is evil one and MUST BE FINISHED.

I may be a born muslim/sikh/hindu but now Itry to live as good human being. Any ideology propagating terror, killing of innocents and plundering of their wealth, women and children is evil one and MUST BE FINISHED.

Gorkhali:

Bit of history for you. Happy reading:

Banda's original name was Lachhman Dev. He was born in Kartik 1727 Bikrami Samvat, October-November 1670, four years after the birth of Guru Gobind singh. He belonged either to Kashmir or Punjab. He was a Rajput cultivator.
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/warriors/banda.html

@leavingtheleft:

Thank you, I appreciate all of you who are sending me all these sites I had no idea about.

Actually Banda Bahadur was part of my thesis on Rajputs for my 4th year University course in Indian studies before I finally opted for Medicine.

Banda Bahadur's real name was actually Laxman Singh, not Dev. There is a lot of politics behind why his story has changed and old texts are completely different from the texts printed after 1984.

Banda also does not mean "Slave" in his case as I have seen post 1984 texts describe it, instead it simply means "Man" and Bahadur means "Brave" thus Brave Man.

He was also referred to as Banda Bir Bairagi, which translates to the "Brave Man (who was once an) Ascetic".

The appelation of the name Singh was only used by Rajputs up until 1699 with the birth of the Khalsa.

Guru Gobind Singh (Rai) had to retreat from the Punjab after being betrayed by many of his followers, he made his way to Madhya Pradesh on his flight to Patna (in Bihar). It was in MAdhya Pradesh that he met the Sanyasi (Asetic) named Madho Das (the Asetic name of Laxman Singh).

Guru Gobind Singh asked Laxman Singh to avenge the death of his four sons, especially the youngest two who were entombed alive and cooked in oil for not accepting Islam (they were pre-teen twins) in the city of Sirhind.

Laxman Singh then rode into Punjab and gathered Rajputs in the Shivalik Hills to join him. He refused to have the Takht Akalis as part of army since they betrayed their Guru in the past. The Rajputs who joined Banda Bahadur were referred to as Banda Akalis (where Akal is another name of Shiva the Destroyer, however Akal is another name for him which means the Timeless One).

Anyways, they went and destroyed Sirhind, in Punjabi they say "Sirhind dee Eeta Beejadeeyan" meaning they smashed the bricks of Sirhind, literally wiping out all the muslims.

Banda Bahadur and his men were not Sikhs (Sikh coming from the Sanskrit word Shishya which means Disciple), and for this as well the Takht Akalis (the Blue Turbans) held that against them.

Eventually, the Takht Akalis told the Muslims when and where to strike, thus bringing to an end the quite successful career of Banda Bahadur.

He and his men were taken to Delhi, tortured and executed for not accepting Islam in the most ghastly way, with his 16 year old son chopped to pieces in front of him, this all took place close to the Qutab Minar. And yet there is no monument or marking of where exactly it happened. Very Sad.

Thank you again for the link, I'll check it out now.

-Cheers

Gorkhali, Reg the Mopillah uprisings of 1921.

Firstly, I am really really surprised by your depth of knowledge about this Issue which no non-Keralite knows much about.

These were an uprising of Muslim peasants against their Hindu landlords - first started as an uprising against the British , but then turned against the Hindus [ as usual ... ] and they killed converted and carried away Hindu women.

But the shameless Kerla Govt recognises it as a part of 'Indian Freedom Movement' and pays pension to these very same bastards. No wonder India does not prosper. Its high time Hindus stood UNITED and give a well deserved slap on the Islamist face.

@ TheHindu: Thank you. :) Yes Hindus need to unite or else the west will be facing this issue alon if we no longer exist.

It will begin by Hindu parents teaching their children at home, the truth about what really happened.

-Cheers