Massie: We have right to know truth about CAIR

"You'd kill me, you'd kill my family, you'd kill every member of my mosque ..."

That is what he want's to do to YOU, Robert.
But he isn't quite there yet. So, in typical Mohammedan fashion he accuses you of wanting to do him in.

Circular reasoning, but nothing is too bizarre for the sons of Allah...

Unfortunately, such nonsense is eagerly gobbled up by the PC crowd who play into the hands of Hooper & Co.

Terminator:

Circular reasoning -- yes, in the classic "because I say so, [but offer no proof]" sense, but perhaps more a case of someone with a personality disorder or two engaging in projecting on others.

It's been a while since I last referred to the Diagnostic Statistical Manual (of Mental Health)but the bolting from the radio station when mildly confronted suggests a borderline personality as does the general description of his conduct as that of a petulant child.

Then there's the whole "radical departure" suggested by his conversion and adoption of a new given name.

CAIR officials are nervous. Despite recognition by some in government (e.g. the ridiculous "sensitivity training" of FBI agents), they know that they lost the war for the hearts and minds of (sane) Americans a long time ago.

USInfidel,

"CAIR officials are nervous"

I believe you are correct.

Hooper and CAIR would do well by encouraging Muslims to help the London Police, to share information about bin Laden's whereabouts and to condemn immediately all who practice anti-Semitism.

But he won't, because he can't – the intent of Islam is for the world to be subdued under Islamic rule. And that will only come about by Shariah Law and Sudah 9:5, because a free people will not be ruled by sanguineous zealots who have nothing to offer save hatred, violence and extremism.
I have a new hero!

USInfidel and Jawa,

Yes CAIR is nervous. Imagine the response if the governments of the West were truly taking the measures they need to take: mass deportations of illegals and jihadists, severe restictions on travel to and from Muslim countries, separation of Muslim countries from the West, and swift retaliation for violent acts against the West.

This is a long struggle. We need to keep continuous and unrelenting pressure on them.

Terrahawk:

If the measure you propose ever came to be adopted, this war will end in a hurry. The islamic world cannot survive without the infidel world. No parasite can without a host.

DP111:

I agree. The sad thing is that it is actually the most humane way to end this conflict. It removes Muslims from cultures in which they are obviously not happy and puts them in culturally similar environments. It ends the need for the increasingly restrictive security measures applied by the government (if they don't live among you, it's a lot harder for them to kill you with simple weapons. Israel is a prime example with their wall). It's a simple solution that makes sense, but is denied by our multiculturalist thinking that can't expand beyond "every person wants the same thing", "all religions are basically the same", etc. It denies that people from different cultures want different things.

An example I always think of is how do you end a feud between two neighbors? You make one of them move. It's never going to end as long as they are side-by-side. Islam has never been a good neighbor to anyone. It's time for them to move back to their own neighborhood.

Lawrence Auster said it best when he said "Muhammed was a successful Hitler."

Why should Hooper act like a reasonable adult when petulance and feigned indignation are all the defense he needs? All he has to do is pretend to be a victim and he and his organization will generally get a free pass.

Terrahawk

But since we live in a global society, even if all muslims went back to their Islamic societies, they would still be our neighbours.

Islam must be destroyed, once and for all.

Hooper and CAIR would do well by encouraging Muslims to help the London Police, to share information about bin Laden's whereabouts and to condemn immediately all who practice anti-Semitism.

Hooper and CAIR would do better by removing their arses from everywhere they've set up camp.

Hooper doesn't sound like a very good spokesperson for his organization. Most of them don't stand up well to criticism. Their arrogance can't hack it. Only when they're talking with some apologist are they civil. But when faced with difficult questions from someone who knows their game, they either get petulant or start dodging and dancing around the questions.

We had an imam on talkback radio recently. He was Mr. Nice Guy in the intro, said all the expected things about Islam, all the pretty words and BS, in a nice, modulated tone. Then a lady calls up and she obviously knew her stuff. Compared her Jesus with his Mohammed, mentioning the thieving, the mass murdering, the taking of so many women as wives and sex slaves, etc. And the Christian way of forgiveness and love versus his way of hate and kill. Quoted the Koran, hadith and sura, and said it all in a very informed, calm manner. The imam spent about 10 seconds making odd noises - a combination of half-laughs, ummm, well, you see, some choked chuckles, the beginnings of some denials, hums and haws, etc., before he blurted something about all the warfare that's in the Bible and Solomon had lots of wives too, so there! He definitely came out the loser in that bout, and wasn't so sweet and calm the rest of the interview. It was great.

The best thing to do is to get these guys speaking on the radio & on TV. Maybe they won't change the minds of everyone, but not everyone remains fooled. Bit by bit.

What a beautiful article! I am hoping that more of the masses are finally coming on board and seeing the light. Lets continue to keep the pressure on CAIR and let everyone you can know about all of this kind of information.

Voltaire,

How big of threat would they be couped up in their own countries? In a regular military engagement, they would get pounded. As DP111 noted earlier, without the West, their countries collapse from the lack of host material for their parsitical ideology. When I mean send back, I mean cut them off as much as possible from the rest of the world. Heck, who says we have to even give them a connection to the internet. Let them stew in their own juices. We can survive without their oil far longer than they can survive without that oil revenue. Let them turn on each other. Either they will pretty much kill each other off or Islam will disappear. It's not possible to stamp out Islam when it has 1.5 billion adherents. It is possible to contain it, isolate, let if wither from it's own weaknesses. Trying to crush it from within will only devalue what we treasure in the West, our freedoms, our religious tolerance, our history. No, send them away and let them be their own worst enemies. I do not wish to participate in the barbarity that is necessary to keep Islam in check when it is in our midst.

Everyone should interview this Hooper in the same fashion. He's a real liquid laugh.....

I feel real momentum here, at last it seems like the politicians are getting it. This interview was a classic and I hope that it is true that they are showing fear.

I see Iraq and the UK as two tests for Islam, and Islam has failed both.

The first thing I would do is identify all of the devout Muslims and deport them. Second would be to have a long look at the secular ones, are they faking it or not, put them into re-education and see. As I would hate to deport someone like Ali Sina for example.

Blair is touching on what I want to see, closure of the mosques, which is the support system for this religion of hate. From that point it should be easier to start removing the props that keep them in ideological slavery.

Voltaire,

But since we live in a global society, even if all muslims went back to their Islamic societies, they would still be our neighbours.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Even the nastiest neighbour who fears us is a well behaved neighbour.
Islam has a heart of a bully; it perceives kindness and fairness as weakness, but it respects strength, firmness and consistency. It will behave nice as long as it knows the West not only carries a big stick, but it will use it when necessary.
Also, the very physical survival of that bully depends on the good will of the West, which, in principle, may from day to day limit its interaction with Islam to only buying its oil, but cut out billions of dollars of alms to pathologies like Egypt or Pakistan or like…

But when you say Islam must be destroyed, once and for all I must ask you in what sense Islam must be destroyed and how would you go about destroying it?
Really, what do you mean by that assertion?

I claim that total separation and strict, swift and just application of the stick will have a great salutary effect on Islam. Civilizations are very much like a human person - they only change when they must. In other words, only when they go through a crisis.
If Islam is at all capable of a change it can only do so under a condition of a painful existential crisis brought by the humiliating realization of its complete failure in every field of the human endeavour. It must have its nose rubbed in its misery.

And for that the West must stop being an iron lung and intravenous feeding machine for Islam. On the contrary, we must speed up the process which may (but doesn’t have to) eventually bring about the crisis within Islam. Keeping Islam alive indefinitely on the life supporting system will never cure it. But it most certainly will destroy the West when the demographic reality explodes in the face of our children and grandchildren.

So instead of dreaming of directly destroying it, let’s have it as a neighbour - not a guest, or patient. If the separation doesn’t cure it then it will certainly destroy it. Nothing we would be terribly sorry for.

Voltaire,

But since we live in a global society, even if all muslims went back to their Islamic societies, they would still be our neighbours.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Even the nastiest neighbour who fears us is a well behaved neighbour.
Islam has a heart of a bully; it perceives kindness and fairness as weakness, but it respects strength, firmness and consistency. It will behave nice as long as it knows the West not only carries a big stick, but it will use it when necessary.
Also, the very physical survival of that bully depends on the good will of the West, which, in principle, may from day to day limit its interaction with Islam to only buying its oil, but cut out billions of dollars of alms to pathologies like Egypt or Pakistan or like…

But when you say Islam must be destroyed, once and for all I must ask you in what sense Islam must be destroyed and how would you go about destroying it?
Really, what do you mean by that assertion?

I claim that total separation and strict, swift and just application of the stick will have a great salutary effect on Islam. Civilizations are very much like a human person - they only change when they must. In other words, only when they go through a crisis.
If Islam is at all capable of a change it can only do so under a condition of a painful existential crisis brought by the humiliating realization of its complete failure in every field of the human endeavour. It must have its nose rubbed in its misery.

And for that the West must stop being an iron lung and intravenous feeding machine for Islam. On the contrary, we must speed up the process which may (but doesn’t have to) eventually bring about the crisis within Islam. Keeping Islam alive indefinitely on the life supporting system will never cure it. But it most certainly will destroy the West when the demographic reality explodes in the face of our children and grandchildren.

So instead of dreaming of directly destroying it, let’s have it as a neighbour - not a guest, or patient. If the separation doesn’t cure it then it will certainly destroy it. Nothing we would be terribly sorry for.

Voltaire,

But since we live in a global society, even if all muslims went back to their Islamic societies, they would still be our neighbours.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Even the nastiest neighbour who fears us is a well behaved neighbour.
Islam has a heart of a bully; it perceives kindness and fairness as weakness, but it respects strength, firmness and consistency. It will behave nice as long as it knows the West not only carries a big stick, but it will use it when necessary.
Also, the very physical survival of that bully depends on the good will of the West, which, in principle, may from day to day limit its interaction with Islam to only buying its oil, but cut out billions of dollars of alms to pathologies like Egypt or Pakistan or like…

But when you say Islam must be destroyed, once and for all I must ask you in what sense Islam must be destroyed and how would you go about destroying it?
Really, what do you mean by that assertion?

I claim that total separation and strict, swift and just application of the stick will have a great salutary effect on Islam. Civilizations are very much like a human person - they only change when they must. In other words, only when they go through a crisis.
If Islam is at all capable of a change it can only do so under a condition of a painful existential crisis brought by the humiliating realization of its complete failure in every field of the human endeavour. It must have its nose rubbed in its misery.

And for that the West must stop being an iron lung and intravenous feeding machine for Islam. On the contrary, we must speed up the process which may (but doesn’t have to) eventually bring about the crisis within Islam. Keeping Islam alive indefinitely on the life supporting system will never cure it. But it most certainly will destroy the West when the demographic reality explodes in the face of our children and grandchildren.

So instead of dreaming of directly destroying it, let’s have it as a neighbour - not a guest, or patient. If the separation doesn’t cure it then it will certainly destroy it. Nothing we would be terribly sorry for.

I am terribly sorry for the tripple posting. I will take greater care in the future. Promise!

i agree, we can't stamp it out, containment though might work. trying to eradicate it will play into their victimhood. contain and let them feed on each other like the rats in the epilogue of Clavells' "King Rat".
by containment they will be forced to deal with their self-inflicted pathologies. hell, rich muslims don't spend money on the poor muslims, they ship their petrodinars to Wall Street et al, yet it's the West's fault that the muslim world is a sh!thole.
which does bring up a point regarding containment, and that is "do we make them pull their money out of Western markets?" Between the ME and China, thats quite a pile of $s. Can the economies of the West take the hit and stay on their feet? I mention China because if we were to boot the muslim money, and then, down the road, China starts showing it's ass over Taiwan or N Korea and decides to try and use financial leverage, it could really take the boots to Western economies.

G'day blokes and sheilas.....has anyone sent a copy of this interview to their governmental representatives yet?

They all need to see this whacka Hooper in action.

CAIR & Britain's Muslim Council of Britain seem to have alot in common.

This weekend on BBC TV there is a programme called Panorama which is apparently examining the MCB, its "leadership" & its "associates".

There are alot of nervous MCB types doing the media rounds in the UK - pre-empting the programme's findings.

I think the crunch will come for the MCB when Tony Blair starts to publicly distance himself from Sir Iqbal Scranie - the "Queens pet Muslim" as I believe other "moderate Muslims" in the UK have called him. When this happens I will start to believe that Tony has "woke up".

Daffersd: Yes M8, bang on. Islam has failed the test in the UK - the plates are shifting, even the BBC seems to be toning down its pro Islam stance in the last 2 weeks. Maybe they already know something we don't & are trying to "package" it in such a way as to be more palatable to the concerned masses. Maybe, just maybe....

Could that be the [sweet] sound of the pendulum swinging back that I'm hearing?

There is no point debating muslims as their thinking is so warped and distorted but their attitude of "being right" so complete,that it is a waste of energy.

We can save that energy to stand against islam and its all pervading evil.

The lack of a capital letter for islam is intentional as this belief has not earned enough respect from me to warrant one.

What people in civilized societies see as a plan. Muslims see as a plot!

Anyone know where a poor imam can get his hands on the audio file of this vile, unclean infidel...talking to Massie?

Imams, even unofficial ones (papers in transit, fees to be waived but curiously long time waiting for Ayatollah Approval (stamped: "Grade A Islamofascist")) need fun too.

Allah knows Jack. And Jack left town.

Imam Geoff