MPAC, CAIR, ISNA feel excluded from the struggle against terrorism

Flash....Field Marshall Rommel upset that US doesn't ask for his input in African Campaign.

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Why must these groups always place responsibility on everyone but themselves?

Becuase they're dishonest.

Why don't they take more initiative in active anti-terror efforts, instead of complaining about profiling and then in turn complaining that the White House is leaving them out of the loop?

Because they're dishonest.

Why don't they come clean about the questionable matters regarding their organizations, as detailed in the links above?

Becuase they're dishonest.

Any more questions?

malach-

Spot on.

Thanks for making the points my fingers were just poised to hit.

Who's stopping them from cleaning out the Augean Stables of their own mosques, madrassas and internet cafes / jihadist websites?

They'll be taken seriously when they behave seriously.

But that will happen when Mecca is open to all.

"potentially priceless resource that could be used to root out militants at home.."
-- from the article above

When we learn of a single Muslim would-be terrorist, or actual terrorist, or instigator or promoter of ideas that naturally would lead someone to engage in acts of terrorism, being turned in by a member of CAIR, or MPAC, or ISNA, and we learn it was done not to win a green card, and not for the payment of a large sum of money (as is the case with the very few Arab and Muslim informants who have been used), then maybe we'll talk.

Or if we hear of acts of derring-do, you know some all-Muslim brigade that forms voluntarily and takes on the toughest jobs smashing the "insurgents" in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, whose exploits would be akin to those of the 442nd Regiment, composed entirely of Japanese-Americans, that was the first or second most dedicated unit in the Second World War), well then may be we'll talk.

But what we see is an attempt, at every level, to gut the quite mild security measures already taken, from prep[osterously forcing the government not to give extra attention to people who are either Muslims or believed to be Muslims in airport and other searches, who constantly attack the government, whose officials have in the past been arrested, and convicted, of supporting terrorism (see the links at the article above), and when we see a Muslim Marine desert not once but twice (he is now safely in Lebanon) after giving us that stirring "Semper Fi" speech, after the Muslim soldier who killed two of his officers and wounded others, all because he sided with his fellow Muslims against these people, sleeping in their tents, whom he believed woud "harm Muslims," or the sailor who apparently had contact with a Muslim ashore and offered to reveal details about the ship he was on, or the Muslim F.B.I.l agent who refused to wear a wire because he would not record a "fellow Muslim" or.... well, if there were ever a record that indicated, as clearly as possible, that we are dealing with a Fifth Column, the record is there.

And why should anyone be surprised? Read the Qur'an, with commentary. Read the Hadith. Read the Sira, and find out what Muhammad said about Believers and how they should treat Unbelievers. Muslims are inculcated with the teachings of Islam; the world is divided, uncompromisingly between Believer and Infidel. And now those Muslims live, with Infidels, in Infidel lands. And Muslims threaten those Infidles, their laws, their customs, their understandings, their physical well-being. Why should anyone with a good knowlede of Islam, unfooled by the army of apologists intent on obscuring what Islam teaches, not believe that all Muslim groups should be treated as being made up of individual Believers whose sole loyalty is to the umma al-islamiyya, the Community of Believers, and to the Cause of Islam, to the Jihad to spread Islam. Why should Infidels think for one minute that Believers do not believe that? Perhaps CAIR or one of the other groups can explain how, despite Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, a Muslim in America can owe his loyalty not to fellow Muslims and Islam, but to fellow Infidel Americans, and to the Infidel nation-state that is under the Constitution, and not, as in Iraq, with "Islam" as the final authority which cannot be contradicted.

Explain it to us please.

We're all ears.

It's not really hard to see why these groups defend their own, it's called denial. Even people like Jeffery Dahlmer and John Wayne Gacey had mothers and family that would stand by them saying that they aren't capable of such haneous crimes. They don't want to be associated with them, but they know it happens. The failure on their part ocurrs when they failed to prevent it in the first place instead of allowing the situation to manifest until it becomes unacceptable for themselves.

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the Koran prohibit Muslims from allying with non-Muslims against other Muslims?

More drivel from Caroline Drees.

Like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700903_pf.html

Civil Liberties Panel Is Off to a Sluggish Start
Critics Decry Administration's Lack of Urgency

When the Muslims want to whine and get a sympathetic ear from a 'useful idiot', Caroline is your goto idiot! Of course she conveniently omitted the Islamic terrorists that fund and control these 'mainstream' Islamist organizations.

They feel excluded from the inner workings of our government.

I feel better.

Maybe someone in DC has some sense after all.

"Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the Koran prohibit Muslims from allying with non-Muslims against other Muslims?"
-- from a posting above

No, you are not mistaken. It is forbidden for a Believer to ally with an Infidel against other Believers. The American government should ponder that carefully -- especially the armed services, the diplomatic corps, the intelligence services. There are people who may be Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims. There may be those who are bad Muslims, and who can be bribed to work against fellow Muslims. But those, one must assume, will be the exceptions. One must assume that when someone identifies himself as a Believer, he subscribes to the central idea of Islam (after monotheism): the idea that there is one division, and one only, that counts in the world: the division between Believer and Infidel.

I'll bet these seditious deceivers would just love to get a foot in the door of our government so they could provide tainted advice and learn new subversion techniques. Oh yes, they are just dying to be the final word on Islam; they can't bear the thought of Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, or any other non-muslim Islamic scholar revealing the horrible truth about their death cult. I hate to tell them, but I think their corruption and lies are common knowledge, at least in a few circles.

Our government needs to cease its appeasement of these traitors. They are all liars and potential insurgent jihadists and that's exactly how they should be regarded and treated by Washington. If they were given any voice in how we conduct the "war on terror", there would be no war.

There was a great program on the National Geographic channel last week about 9-11 and the activities of muslims in America during the decade prior to that horrible day. Steve Emerson exposed the muslim fifth column in America in the early nineties, and nobody would listen! The F.B.I. laughed at him when he tried to tell them what he had heard and witnessed at an Islamic convention in California. The big-wig muslims hate Emerson for blowing their cover; I guess the truth hurts when you have plenty to hide. They've been plotting, planning, scheming, and screaming jihad against America for over fifteen years, maybe longer, right here in America!

The reason why they want to become involved in terrorism-related decision making is not because their genuine in their intentions to defeat it. Rather, as some of the commenters here have already pointed out, they want to influence the policy of the United States and mount as many imepdiments to cracking down on extremist Muslim preachers as possible. What they want to see behind the walls of the Capitol is an exact replica of UN's general assembly, where top decision-making is already greatly influenced by representatives and lobbyists of the 57 anti-Semitic Islamic dictatorships.

America is perceived by those Islamofascists as the last bastion of resistance of the Islamic expansion. Europe already tacitly supports them in their racist cause to destroy Israel and will most likely display little opposition to further moves, unless Muslims begin taking over the European centres. U.S. is the only powerful player left with enough resolve to fight the incessant Islamic intolerance. CAIR and their ilk, in turn, want this resolve gone. They want to see even more US mosques preaching intolerance and the estbalishment of the global Caliphate. They want even more gullible Americans converting into Islam, much like it already happens in Europe.

In essence, they yearn for implementation of Tariq Ramadan's policy of quiet subversion, when Muslim expand their influence under the pretence of having only peaceful intentions and cooperating with the government to defeat extremism. The staggering success, with which this process is unfolding in Europe is greatly inspiring for the likes of Ibrahim Hooper and Parvez Ahmed, and that's why they proceed.

And if the public doesn't resist, if the public continues listening to the leftist apologists, and if the public goes on with ignoring such revealing works on Islam as the P.I.G. and Eurabia, they have all the chances of succeeding.

This must not happen.

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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org

Wonderful news, to hear they are being excluded from the struggle against terrorism. I agree with others above - they'd subvert the process and undermine the efforts, putting many more in danger. Smile and say nice words, act all helpful and well-meaning, while lying and deceiving all the way. They cannot be trusted. A Muslim will never act against another Muslim.

Just like here at that conference Howard had with "moderates" on how to fight terrorism. What a joke. Denials that 9/11 was the work of Muslims. Requests for federal anti-vilification laws. Mewlings about mythical backlashes. But mostly a bunch of power plays, to try and ingratiate themselves with the government and position themselves favourably. Gee, thanks for your help! I sure feel safer now. (Not!)

'Islamists', 'militants', 'fundamentalist' and 'moderates' are all western concepts.

In Islam there are no such things, there is only "muslim" or "non-muslim". If you are muslim, you are observant of the Islamic obligations, among them is installing the Islamic theocracy in your host country; it is a humiliation for a muslim to live under non-muslim laws.

And when the situation is against your actively engaging in jihad, such as when the muslim community is a minority as in the western countries, then bid your time, do your taqqiya (deception) and kitman (concealment of malevolent intentions) while undermining enemy insitutions, presenting a peaceful face, mislead the press everytime you open your mouth. You procreate, do daawa (conversion), build up your numbers, and when the muslim community is strong, then the facade falls off, and the host country discovers that every muslim is just that, a muslim, who carries out the dictates of the Qur'an. And the Qur'an says that all humanity has to be brought into submission to Islam; and all non-muslims be given the three choices: convert, pay a tax of submission, or be killed.

Daniel Pipes wrote an article "Islamists, Get Out!" in the New York Sun. That is a good start. After we start throwing out the 'Islamists', as Britain is doing, we will dig into the Islamic texts to differentiate Islamists from moderates and discover that there is no distinction. In the texts, there are ONLY Islamists. The Qur'an only makes Islamists. 'Moderates' is a western invention. Then Daniel Pipes will write another article "MUSLIMS, Get Out!"

That will be the day. Ha.

'Islamists', 'militants', 'fundamentalist' and 'moderates' are all western concepts.

In Islam there are no such things, there is only "muslim" or "non-muslim". If you are muslim, you are observant of the Islamic obligations, among them is installing the Islamic theocracy in your host country; it is a humiliation for a muslim to live under non-muslim laws.

And when the situation is against your actively engaging in jihad, such as when the muslim community is a minority as in the western countries, then bid your time, do your taqqiya (deception) and kitman (concealment of malevolent intentions) while undermining enemy institutions and freedoms, presenting a peaceful face, mislead the press everytime you open your mouth. You procreate, do daawa (conversion), build up your numbers, and when the muslim community is strong, then the facade falls off, and the host country discovers that every muslim is just that, a muslim, who carries out the dictates of the Qur'an. And the Qur'an says that all humanity has to be brought into submission to Islam; and all non-muslims be given the three choices: convert, pay a tax of submission, or be killed.

Daniel Pipes wrote an article "Islamists, Get Out!" in the New York Sun. That is a good start. After we start throwing out the 'Islamists', as Britain is doing, we will dig into the Islamic texts to differentiate Islamists from moderates and discover that there is no distinction. In the texts, there are ONLY Islamists. The Qur'an only makes Islamists. 'Moderates' is a western invention. Then Daniel Pipes will write another article "MUSLIMS, Get Out!"

That will be the day. Ha.

Sorry for the double post.

"The absence of clarity is the beginning of complicity.”

We have yet to name the beast:

Its "ISLAM"- not "war on terror"and it's not "vile and evil ideology" It's ISLAM again, and it's the Mohammedans who follow this vile and evil ideology, which is Jihad, and Jihad is terror.

Once we hear our politicians talk like that, if we get them to acknowledge that, then they will be forced to move on the "vile and evil ideology" and on the Mohammedans who are threatening us and our way of life.

Skidd:

"After we start throwing out the 'Islamists', as Britain is doing,"-

Britain has not thrown out any yet. So far it has all been hot air, no more, no less. Let's see what happens!

I believe it when I see it...

The problem with the Muslim community is that their blind to their own failings. They don't condemn their own because the muslim terrorist are ...

a) not real muslims so there's no reason to blame

b) innocent because all those terrorist acts are cooked up by Western governments and tje Jews to blame innocent Muslims

c) true Muslims hitting back at the west after the countlesss atrocities and humiliations suffered by Muslims all over the world

The greatest joke is that Muslim terrorists are never recognized by other Muslims. When ordinary muslims suddenly become hyper religious, go to the mosque every day, dress up in traditional garbs, force their wives to wear burquas, leave their jobs, live on welfare, become only interested in religion and engage in repeated anti-west rhetoric, their families don't become suddenly alarmed, but they're always pleased that little Mo is now finally getting his act together. Extreme fundamentalism is never a cause for alarm, but something to take pride in in the muslim world. Fierce anti-western muslim fundamentalism is so normal that it goes completely unnoticed. Only when it goes one step further and the islam fundies put words into action, do their families take notice ... well, sort of, since the standard respons is usually "I don't believe a word of it. Little Mo was such a good boy. He wouldn't hurt a fly and besides, muslims simply don't do these things!"

I'd like to know what "embracing the Muslim community" means. These Wahabbi front groups already have unlimited access to the MSM and to local and national politicians. Four years after 9/11 their message for the rest of us is that Muslims need special treatment or they send Abdul to Pakistan for weapons training?

It would seem that Islam has very little to do with spirituality and everything to do with privilege and exclusionary politics. If Muslims are unable to separate religion and politics then why should I or anybody else?

The further away these skunks are from us and the government's activities against MUSLIM terrorists, the better.

They, especially CAIR, have done nothing but degrade our troops and hound everyone they could with their reporting over and over again about the Qur'an in the toilet story, Guantanamo, and Abu Ghraib. Never anything about Hamas, but plenty about our troops.

As far as I'm concerned, CAIR is a section of our enemy, and a huge part of the problem, so they can go whine to someone who cares.

Peter Boston:"It would seem that Islam has very little to do with spirituality and everything to do with privilege and exclusionary politics. If Muslims are unable to separate religion and politics then why should I or anybody else?"

Good observation...
The structure of Islam has to disintegrate. The heart of Islams ability to operate in the world as it does, is to hide behind the biggest Taqiyyan and kitmanian ideas of them all, that Islam is a 'religion'. It 'is' a religion to those who are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other one. Now lets 'see' out of both eyes and become 'seers'. Islam takes on the appearance of a wanna be government, it has its own laws, its own police forces and armys, it has its own hierarchy of clerics, doctors and other, in place fanatics, as politicians. In the US, the IRS should take a serious look Islams qualifications for a tax exempt 'Church', or 'religious organisation' status. It's pretty clear that the political side of Islam is the 'action' side, making its claim of being a religion just some more T&K. Take the now accepted, semi-legal status, of being a 'religion' away from Islam, and we have struck a mighty blow...maybe a fatal one. The idea that Islam is a 'religion' is loose terminology anyway, look at its roots. Once the Idea that Islam is using religion as a front, for intended political domination, is generated into the public, Islams house of cards, built on shifting sands, will crumble. It cant hide behind religion anymore. Islam will stand naked, its cloak of religion removed, even those with only one eye, will see its festering sores.
Let one eyed Bush hammer the jihadis from the outside, while people with both eyes open go right to the heart of the matter, with the the sandblaster of truth...

Robert,

Can we put this on a billboard?

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar Ahmad, Chairman of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)

If it crawls on its belly like a snake, its MPAC, CAIR and ISNA.

In a brilliant paragraph Patrick at Clarity & Resolve said that this complaint in essence is an underhanded demand for official promotion of Islamic da'wa:"It's political blackmail in the guise of humbly seeking an audience for the victimized moderates".

When any of these three shills for the cult show up, the chortling laughter can begin: "We know your game, we just want to see how you try to pull it off".

The fools at CAIR MPAC and ISNA: Are we going to be partners or suspects ?"

YOU ARE CHIEF SUSPECTS of course.

According to “Infiltration, How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington” by Paul Sperry, these guys are already laced into every significant agency in Washington that we wished were on our side: Homeland Security, State, FBI, INS, DOJ, DOT, Energy, Education, DOD, Bureau of Prisons, Livermore Labs, etc. Most all the agencies have subscribed to the services of these groups for “Be Nice to Muslim” classes, at a minimum. And the White House has fallen all over itself entertaining bigwigs from these groups. The Sperry book is a real eye-opener.

They have also likely infiltrated into the IRS hierarchy, protecting their own “religious” tax exemptions from examination. Bad enough that they are getting recycled Saudi-Wahabbi oil profits, they are also being financed by US taxpayers. How can Islam possibly qualify as a religion for a tax break? With Islam causing every war on the planet, it is as much political as the Nazis were, as the Imperial Japanese were, and as the Communists were. Did we give tax exemptions to the German American Bund or the dozens of Imperial Japanese subversive organizations of the 1930s and 40s? CAIR, etc., are no less our nation’s enemy today than these Axis organizations were then, at the beginning of WWII. They should be closed down and their leaders either imprisoned or deported, as was done in 1941-42.

Islamic cleric states

Islam won so why dont you just convert now..

You have to read this one to believe the chutzpa of this guy...

http://www.mweb.co.za/hubs/news/newsItem.aspx?id=top_top|2858956