Oh, this will contribute to peace and harmony. More Islamic supremacism from the PA, from the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to Fjordman:
The Palestinian Authority will continue to work toward moving Yasser Arafat's tomb to the Aksa Mosque in Jerusalem, Saeb Erekat, head of the PLO Negotiations Department, announced Sunday.Erekat, who was speaking during a meeting with PA security officers in Jericho, said the issue of transferring the late Palestinian Authority Chairman Arafat's grave from Ramallah to Jerusalem was a "trust" deposited with the PA.
"From the Israeli perspective the issue is not on the agenda and neither do I expect it to be on the agenda," said Mark Regev, Israel Foreign Ministry spokesman in response to a query by The Jerusalem Post last night.
"Arafat's legacy is one of political extremism, terrorist violence, and an inability to be flexible at crucial points in the negotiations. Instead of putting him up on a pedestal, thoughtful Palestinians should be thinking critically of his failures and how not to repeat the same mistakes," remarked Regev.
Good, Regev. But Arafat's ideological heir, Abbas, still enjoys a mantle of respectability. Instead of putting him on a pedestal, shouldn't you be encouraging Palestinians to think critically about his failures and not to repeat the same mistakes?
Despite the problems this would cause for the Isrealis, I see a certain understandable logic behind the palestinians drive to enshrine arafatbastard there.
A "religion" started by a childmolesting murderer, wanting to glorify the the man who did the most harm to, and the biggest thief of money meant for, palestinians in one of the "religions" holiest sites. Just kind of flows, don't you think.
The Temple Mount has always been, for Muslims, the place to demonstrate their power. When the Qur'anic phrase "al-masjid al-aksa" ("the furthest mosque") needed to be given a fixed locus, Muslim scholars were not certain where to put it. After all, perhaps it was simply metaphorical -- dreamily vague, and remote, that "furthest mosque." It has a kind of poetry to it, doesn't it. Why you might even think of that line in Dante: "Love, that moves the sun and the farthest stars." Dante didn't stop, nor did his commentators, to name or fix those "farthest stars." And we prefer it that way.
But the Umayyad Caliph, sitting in Damascus, had other ideas. It would be good for Islam, still a-borning in the late 7th century, and very good for him as well, if the Muslims could lay claim in a most physical and obvious way to the city that was holy "not to three faiths" as the karen armstrongs and world-council-of-churches snakes like to say, but to two faiths -- Judaism, and Christianity. Now in fact one does not have to believe in Judaism to know that the historical connection of the Jews, to Jerusalem, was based on several thousand years of history. One does not have to believe in Christianity -- that is, in the divinity of Christ -- to know that Christianity originated in Jerusalem, that Christ lived and died and performed various acts (non-believers differ from Christians in the number of those acts which they credit as true) in Jerusalem.
But for Muslims, Jerusalem -- if the Muslims get there way, it will be Al-Quds again -- is important only because of one site. And that site is the one which was chosen as the physical gloss on that phrase "the farthest mosque." By planting the flag of Islam right there, smack in the middle of a city that the Jews and Christians regarded as holy to them, and what's more, right on the top of the undeniably holiest site to Jews, the most ancient claimant, and in the late 7th century hardly insignficant a presence, a geopolitical statement was made.
It is no different now with Arafat. But as a political move, it is a great mistake -- and therefore welcome. Because even those who have been subjected to the last 35 years of steady propaganda on behalf of the "Palestinian people," especially in Europe, are more and more becoming uneasy, even fed up, as they begin to realize that in their very midst are people prompted by the same belief-system as those maddened and primitive crowds shooting in the air as they greet their black-balaclavaed Hamas and Hezbollah heroes. And everyone knows that Arafat died with $6 billion that no one in the "Palestinian" Authority seems quite able to find, and of course the European and American donor governments find it too delicate a matter to raise -- better move in, supply new sums in even greater amounts, because that is the Infidel Man's Burden, isn't it -- to create a "viable" nation-state in "Palestine" as in "Iraq"? Isn't it?
Let the claim be made. It will have no effect on Jews. But it should have an effect on others. It is no different from the mass destruction of Hindu temples, and the building of mosques deliberately on top of the most sacred of those temples, employing stone quarried from the Hindu temple that had stood there formerly.
But it is stark: Arafat, with that face, that grimace, that history of murder, being proposed as worthy to be buried in the center of Jerusalem. No, this will have its effect on the world's non-Jews as well -- in the Vatican, for example, and it will be noted by Hindus exercised, rightly, about Ayodhya.
They have overstepped. They are overstepping. They will continue to overstep. They don't know when the winds have shifted, or perhaps they do not care. Good.
Al Aksa mosque will go, just like Arafats grave will disappear. The Sahara might be 'holy' enough to swallow every trace of this insult to humanity....
I say let them have an area to bury Arafat at the Mount only if they give the Israelis the actual cause of death of Arafat.
If the French can leak false accusations against Lance Armstrong, surely they can release the actual cause of death of Arafat?
Not going to happen, the PA can harp on it as much as they want, but its going to be a no.
I think the PA an the Palasitinains are in for a big shock in the next few months. THey think they won a big victory in Gaza, the thing was Israel made a stratigic withdrawl not a retreat. I don't think they understand the difference. Abbas is going to try to come to the table in the next few months and be very shocked to find that Israel has nothing left to say to him. The Royal flush that he thinks he is holding is nothing but a joker.
I will say that I was not a fan of the withdrawl from Gaza, and I am somewhat worried that the west bank settement that I call home might be next, but there is some logic to it. We draw back to a line we can hold, and let Gaza sink on its own. Its a tiny area with no infrastructure or resources.
At this point I think Israel needs to play the long game. We protect our borders and wait. We will soon be at the point where the average palistinian has no way of getting into Israel to wage war, thus removing most of the threat.
When the coming global conflagration between dar al-Harb and dar al-Islam is completed and the inevitable outcome occurs, that the dar al-Islam is left in smoldering ruins, the Temple Mount will probably be restored to its pre-Islamic state. Why not? It was defiled by force of arms during the Islamic conquest in the 7th century so why not cleanse it by force of arms in the 21st century? Legend has it that the structure of the Mosque of Omar contains remnants of the Temple that was razed by the Romans in the 1st century. So why not clear the Mount and salvage the Temple bits again?
When this thing is all over nobody in the Free World (dar al-Harb) is going to give a rat's bumm about the "honor", pride or symbols of the tyrannical ideology of the Muslim world anyway. When Mecca, Yathrib, Tehran, Jakarta, Damascus, etc. are all just piles of rubble they will have nobody to blame but themselves. In the end it's just a little simple math, folks. The capacity of the dar al-Harb to make war is equal to its capacity to produce and sustain its prosperity in peacetime. The GDP of all 22 Arab League countries combined is less than that of Spain alone. So if the entire Arab world was to make guns instead of butter they could not even match the capacity of Spain to do the same. The situation in Asia is even worse for them.
The Muslim world has foolishly provoked a sleeping giant who has not yet been prodded awake. When he does, woe to us all that we may indeed behold again the Face of Shiva. Woe especially to the denizens of the dar al-Islam for his wrath will manifest itself in a rain of hot steel on a scale not seen since the great war of 1939-45.
That is the path on which the Muslim world has put us all. So be it. They are free to choose their own utter destruction.
"We will soon be at the point where the average palistinian has no way of getting into Israel to wage war, thus removing most of the threat"
-- from a posting above
And what about all the Arabs within Israel, not a few of whom have been involved in supporting, or participating in, terrorist acts? Are "Israeli Arabs" magically different from "Palestians"? True, their textbooks are different; they grow up in different surroundings and hear different things and that must, at the edges, have an effect -- think of some perfectly pleasant, even suave Arabs sitting in a Haifa cafe, with their "Jewish friends" (the self-conscious lack of self-consciousness on the part of those Israeli Jews just enjoying time out with their "Arab friends" can well be imagined). You can take the boy out of an Islam-filled environment, but you can seldom take Islam out of the boy.
The problem remains. The discrepancy in birth rates remain. The threat remains. How intelligent Israelis can think getting rid of their "marches" (in the Roman sense) of Gaza is beyond me. They have not made the situation better -- not unless Gaza descends, as it should be allowed to, into the complete primitive hate-filled chaos that is, essentially, the culture of Gaza -- and which should not any longer be hidden by Western -- especially American - aid, from the world.
Otherwise, you are simply back where you started, only smaller -- and each tranche of land sliced off only makes things worse.
The Benes Decree -- look into it.
No, no, no, a 1000 times "No"! This desecration must not happen to Temple Mount.
Hugh, I hope other religionists of the world will come to the defense of Temple Mount; arafart's reburial there is a disaster in the making. Makes me ill to even think of that happening.
Zach: We draw back to a line we can hold, and let Gaza sink on its own. Its a tiny area with no infrastructure or resources.
Thats true enough, but the results are disastrous. They will quickly overpopulate their territory and overwhelm their resources. Expantion by birth and poverty. Actually this has been already going on for some time. They will be forced to expand. Guess where they will expand to...They will try to do this prior to severe overpopulation but will eventually do it anyway.
Its an old story, Islam does not produce much of substance on its own, so it has to go out and steal from others. Islam is very greedy and self righteous...all the land belongs to Allah and muslims by gift. By the unearned, and undeserved, gift of Allah, muslims/Islam shall inherit the Earth. So Islam is really the 'promised land', and muslims are really the 'chosen' people...All of the lands of the Earth belong to muslims by the grace of Allah and Islam. I dont think they will succeed with with this plan, but I think they will cause a lot of trouble trying it. Resistance is called for, if they succeed in dominating Israel (which I doubt), they will probably try and expand everywhere at once...
Even if Israel once again submits and grant the Palestinians the right to bury World's no.1 terrorist on Temple Mount, does anyone think this will lay an end to the Palestnians' incessant and increasingly impudent demands?
Nope, the next step will be Temple Mount as a whole.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
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This gives new meaning to the phrase "profane place" relating to the Temple mount.
http://bible.cc/ezekiel/42-20.htm
islam,
stole Jehovah
and killed the Christ.