From MEMRI:
On August 19, Palestinian Clerics Association Deputy Director Sheikh Muhammad Ali was interviewed by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV. In the interview, he discussed Jihad as the duty of all Muslims, and the coming conquest of all of Palestine through Jihad, not negotiation. He went on to explain in detail the prophetic tradition of "the stone and the tree" (Wa'd al-hajar wa-'l-shajar) saying, "The Jews acknowledge this because they find it in their forged Torah." He also stated that this tradition called for "the wiping out of the Zionist enemy."Sheikh Muhammad Ali: "Any land, any piece of land, over which flies the banner of 'There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger,' and which at a certain point belonged to the Muslims – as far as we are concerned, plundering and occupying such land is forbidden, and it is the duty of all Muslims to do what they can to liberate this land, wherever it may be. True, many precious Muslim lands are under occupation today. They have been forgotten, and Andalusia is one example. Nevertheless, it is the duty of the Muslims to liberate them. But since we are discussing Palestine, Gaza, and so on, let us focus on this precious piece of Muslim land, especially since Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque belong to all Muslims, and have become a part of the Muslim faith...
Sheikh Muhammad Ali: "The Prophet Muhammad foretold in a hadith that 'Judgment Day would come only when the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims would kill the Jews, and the stone and tree would say: 'Oh, Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew' – of course he was referring to the occupying Zionist Jew – 'there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him', except for the Gharqad tree.'"
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"Allah willing, we will enter [Palestine] as conquerors and liberators, not through negotiations, but through Jihad and resistance, because the hadith goes: 'And the Muslims would kill the Jews' – there is killing involved."
Moderator: "This divine prophecy, which appears in the hadith and in Koranic verses, denies the legitimacy of normalization or any agreement, because it is only a matter of time, and the Muslims will eventually liberate Jerusalem and regain Palestine."
Sheikh Muhammad Ali: "How peculiar it is that the Zionists believe this, while many leaders, regimes and Arabs do not believe this. This is very sad, strange, and puzzling. Of course, I mean the Muslims and Arabs that are misinformed. The Jews acknowledge this because they find it in their forged Torah, in their Talmud."...
"Since they believe that the Zionist entity will disappear... They are only trying to stall. They are not trying to establish themselves but to delay the fulfillment of the divine prophecy of the liberation of all of Palestine and the wiping out of the Zionist entity. If the Jews and the Zionists were to leave Palestine now, the war would be over, and the Middle East and the entire world could sigh in relief. But the Jews, these Zionists, are against humanity, not just against Muslims."
Oh muslims, where is Jerusalem mentioned in the qur'an? By name...not some vague farthest mosque mention.
Answer: it is not in the qur'an.
Whose book is forged?
Answer: muhammad's qur'an.
One is sick of the praise heaped on Sharon for his "courage." Yes, everytime the Israelis make more foolish concessions, they are praised for their "courage." How they must bask in the glory of that adjective, that insect of an hour -- my, the world likes us because yet again "we took chances for peace." What crap.
Why not ask the world to heap praise on you for making your overwhelming case? Why not see if you can be praised for your "courage" in making that case, despite the obloquy of many, and in sticking to your rights, the legal, moral, and historical rights, which certainly give Israel title not only to all of Gaza, but to all of the West Bank (and for that matter, to the already hastily-disposed of Sinai).
Or are we to suggest that Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia after World War II (and a great many other countries) were not entitled to territories that had been German? Are we to suggest that Italy had no right to the Sudtirol after World War I, and that the Alto Adige should promptly be handed back to Austria -- so that Italy may be praised for its "courage"? And should not the Czechs now, in a spirit of "courage," welcome back the millions of those who were the Sudeten Germans and their children, unceremoniously forced to leave Czechoslovakia under the Benes Decree of 1946?
No, the only kind of "courage" for which the Israelis are praised, including that foolish man, that determinedly foolish and even cruel man, Sharon, are praised, is for ignoring the nature of Jihad, its relentlessness, its ultimate goals which cannot be changed, and the failure, in not recognizing it themselves, of the Israelis to help alert others.
What might have been had Israel accurately defined the problem it faces, and if the Europeans, instead of indulging their worst impulses, realized that it was not "two tiny peoples" each "struggling for its homeland" that was at stake, but rather the Lesser Jihad against Israel, which is only one part of the Greater Jihad against all Infidels -- and which the Europeans, in failing to recognize, inflicted damage on themselves as they permitted millions of Muslims behind their lines, with untellable consequences.
It would have taken "courage" to hold onto the Sinai. It would have taken "courage" to explain that the Arabs in Gaza had for the past 11 years been in charge of themselves, and that destroying Jewish villages appeared to accept the justness of Arab claims, and to fill the Arabs with a sense of triumphalism that is now everywhere obvious -- except perhaps to Sharon and his shallow supporters in the Israeli media, long ago captured by those who haven't the faintest idea, and would not care if they did find out about, Islam and what it means for the future.
Some "courage."
Question: Why is there no generosity and love in Islam?
Brock Peters, best known for portraying accused rapist Tom Robinson, defended by Gregory Peck's Atticus Finch in the 1962 film "To Kill a Mockingbird," died today. In a tribute to Gregory Peck in 2003, Mr. Peters had this to say:
Answer: In Islam, there is no art.
Lie #1
If the Jews and the Zionists were to leave Palestine now, the war would be over
Yea right --- the Koran states "until the ENTIRE world submitts to allah and his ONLY messenger Mohammed" Then the world will be at peace (and enslaved entirely.
Lie #2
and the Middle East and the entire world could sigh in relief. But the Jews, these Zionists, are against humanity, not just against Muslims."
Wrong its islam that is responsible for 99.xxx % of ALL terrorists acts
Also what about all the rest of the non muslims?
"We Will Enter Palestine as Conquerors, Not Through Negotiations But Through Jihad."
Of course they will.
(W)ahabbster and Capo sharon will open the gates even further for them.
Zechariah 14:2 "I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem for the war; the city will be captured, the houses will be pillaged and the women will be violated; half of the city will go out into exile, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from the city."
Mentat
Remember what Mr. Spencer requested..refrain from comments that are inflammatory or he will discontinue them.
To Hugh:
Although I know you are taking some literary license, nevertheless it's not "Israel" as a whole, any more than it was "the Ukraine" as a whole during the recent election, or in fact "India" as a whole or "the US" as a whole--not on this point of land giveaway. Sharon is not foolish, but in fact evil. Israel is seriously divided now; Sharon has crossed the line in terms of how he has handled this expulsion. What the people of Israel and the leadership who oppose Sharon can do with his mistake is unknown. Because of Israel's current parliamentary system, the people cannot vote proportionately and thus cannot boot him out immediately. In part because Sharon has changed or twisted Knesset rules to suit himself, his Knesset opposition is currently limited. The Jews of Gaza went down in part because they chose to be non-violent. Now there are 50,000 more people--the IDF soldiers and police who participated in the expulsion, who know for a fact and first-hand that Sharon and his provocateurs are lying about the "extremism" of the settlers. There is a large mass of Israelis who know that Sharon is handling matters badly. Most Israelis know from personal experience that aside from a few souls, most "Palis" and other Arabs are dangerous, untrustworthy, and murderous. No, the real ugliness is that many people all over the world, not simply in Israel, and especially those in high places with access to information, are totally aware of the blackness of the imams and their followers, and let them go by out of their own cowardice, venality, or indifference.
Borg:
Ok. Ok. You're right. But they can have rallies where not just one but 10s of thousands of people say Death to America and Death to England and that's okay? How can George Bush and Tony Blair just sit there and know that this is happening and do nothing?
Mentat
I generally like your comments. I just don't want to lose the links we have to fellow readers of this site. It would not be good for us.
OT
Michael Graham may have lost an important DC audience but he has caused a stir and, according to NBC4 in Los Angeles, he will have work there. An audience just as large, I hope, just maybe not as important. Still, maybe some hollywood types may get the message now.
Not a rally, Mentat, but uplifting none the less.
after Spencer's excellent P.I.G. check out Oriana Fallaci's "Inshalla".
This is just sick. The 'progressive world' keeps rewarding the terrorists by granting every single of their wishes, be it territorial concessions or submission through [a href=http://www.acage.org/news/?day=08242005&id=0005]paying a jizya[/a].
No wonder the Palestinians don't seem willing to renounce terror. It works perfectly to achieve every aim. The more vicious and monstrous the attacks are, the more more dhimmis on both left and right of the political spectrum will be scratching their heads and coming up with such lame explanations of the causes behind terrorism as poverty, lack of opportunities and — any liberal's favourite — the Western Imperialism.
With thanks to liberals' fanatical opposition to any kind of war, the Wolrd is a much more dangerous place today than several decades ago. With thanks to the International Pressure, Israel has become the first country in history to IMPLORE for peace talks on an EQUAL basis(!) with a nation that waged and lost an aggressive war against it. No wonder terrorists continue to employ violence against civilians. They have nothing to lose. If they win during another intifada, Israel will give up its territories. If they lose, they can always start negotiations and strike out those lands in exchange for peace — needless to say, a temporary one.
Thus the punishment for aggression is gone and there is virtually no deterrent for the Islamofascists to wage aggressive wars, one after another.
If Israel falls, we all fall, sooner or later. With thanks to the doves of peace, today's World is a powder barrel.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org
Some "courage."
Posted by: Hugh at August 23, 2005 08:30 PM
THATS ALL WELL AND GOOD BUT IN THE REAL WORLD THEY WERE DRUNK IN HER RICHES "OIL"
Revelation 18:1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendour. 2 With a mighty voice he shouted:"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. 3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:"Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; 5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. 6 Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup. 7 Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.' 8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069
WILL THE EUROPEANS DO THE RIGHT THING AND IF THEY DID DO THE RIGHT THING WHAT WOULD THE ARABS DO ABOUT THEIR OIL??
THE REAL WORLD IS SOMETIMES BEYOND OUR IDEALS?
Seams it was Pakistan who gave the centerfuges to iran??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
Hugh do you really believe that the Europeans would ever give up thier wine for the Israelis?
No they did this for the American People to bring us closer together the [arab MSM] had almost won
Remember look at what the press did to Churchill and he was right!!
I was right the palis are showing their hand [or should i saw paws] they are showing the people of the world they are just like rabbit dogs and need to be put down!!
"Sheikh Muhammad Ali: "Any land, any piece of land, over which flies the banner of 'There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger,' and which at a certain point belonged to the Muslims – as far as we are concerned, plundering and occupying such land is forbidden, and it is the duty of all Muslims to do what they can to liberate this land, wherever it may be. True, many precious Muslim lands are under occupation today. They have been forgotten, and Andalusia is one example. Nevertheless, it is the duty of the Muslims to liberate them."
-- from the article above
Israel is not the only piece of land that was once controlled by Muslims, so that while the whole world must ultimately come under the rule of Muslims (they need not, those Muslims, be a majority -- they need only be able to dominate and not to be dominated) and of Islam, there are many other areas.
"Andalusia is one example."
Did the government and pople of Spain, especially those who have allowed such pre-existing mental conditions as antisemitism and anti-Americanism to flourish unopposed, and to get he way of seeing the menace to Spain that is now so clear -- well, did those Spanish people, and did those in the Spanish government, actually listen to what the Muslim speakers called for, and what they predicted, when that mosque was officially opened in Granada 2-3 years ago? It was bloodcurdling.
You should, in Spain, thank god for the existence of Israel. So far it has used up Arab Muslim energies and attention. But if you continue to insist on throwing Israel to the wolves, the next victim is to be Andalucia.
And then of course the former Muslim territories of the Ottoman Empire -- Serbia, Croatia, Greece, Albania, Rumania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and so on. Wherever the standard of Islam flew, there Islam simply must reappear. And then there is India -- not Kashmir alone, but India.
And if, in the meantime, some lands that had never been subjugated by Muslims nonetheless become places where Muslims can dominate the government and the people, that will simply hasten the process that must continue until, as Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira make clear, the whole world is Muslim.
There are no exceptions. There is no loophole. It is the whole world that must succumb. Understand this -- in Israel, in Spain, in Serbia, in Bulgaria, in Sicily, in India, but also in Britain, and Canada, and France, and Italy.
Get this straight. For if you do not, you will not know what you must do, or even begin to know.
Sharon's betrayal of the Gazan Jews was unforgivable. He was elected to office on the heals of the failed and tragic Oslo debacle because he was the "Godfather" of the settlement movement and would never capitulate to the moslems like Barak, Peres and Rabin had done before him.
Sharon was also given the most hardline, rightwing Zionist coalition in Israel's history with which to govern. Out was leftist Labor and even further left Meretz. In was the National Union Party and the National Religious Party, both fiercely Zionist, along with the secular, somewhat libertarian Shinui Party.
This made up a coalition that was elected with the sole purpose of being tough on moslems. A hardline group that would never repeat the horrible, cowardly mistakes the Oslo leftwing government had done previously.
That's why Sharon's betrayal was particularly stinging. Nobody thought this bulldog would ever turn yellow...
But, alas, he did. After getting trounced in a Likud referendum on the "Withdrawal" from Gaza, Sharon dumped all the anti-withdrawal MK's from his cabinet, dropped the NRP and National Union Parties, and formed an alliance with, yes Labor, what was left of Meretz and, gulp, the Arab parties.
It is as if George Bush took office and decided to appoint Jocelyn Elders as his Surgeon General, replaced Donald Rumsfeld with Madelyn Albright, dumped Dick Cheney in favor of Ted Kennedy, and declared a radical leftwing agenda committed to pacifism and socialism.
The calamity which has befallen the Jewish State will resonate in the hearts of the betrayed Zionists with an eternal flame. God willing, Sharon's career will be burned to a crisp in the next elections.
MZ
The stone and the tree crying out to Muslims to kill Jews hiding behind them appears no where in Torah or Talmud.
Jews do not acknowledge this nonsense, as the speaker above contends.
Hugh
Glad we are on the SAME side of this fight!!
Tabari VI:95 “Abu Talib said to Muhammad, ‘Nephew, how is it that your tribe is complaining about you and claiming that you are reviling their gods and saying this, that, and the other?’ The Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Uncle, I want them to utter one saying. If they say it, the Arabs will submit to them and the non-Arabs will pay the jizyah tax.’”
AND THE ARABS WERE THE STUPID WHO FOLLOWED & THE REST WILL STAND AND FIGHT!!
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight against those People of the Book [Christians and Jews] who do not follow what Allah and His Messenge acknowledge as the true religion (Islam), nor accept Our law, until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission.”
NO WAY IT IS WAR!!
Qur’an 68:3 “Nay, truly for you is a never-ending reward.”
AINT SEEING THAT ALL MUSSI LANDS CAN'T FEED THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND NOW WE IS GOING HIDRO!
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken as captives. The captives were divided among the Muslims. Then the Messenger began taking the homes and property that were closest to him.”
WE FIGHT AND WIN THIS TIME WE ARE NOT WEAK FROM A WAR BETWEEN OURSELVES??
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “Abi Huqayq held the treasure of the Nadir. He was brought to Allah’s Messenger, and he questioned him. But Huqayq denied knowing where it was. So the Prophet questioned other Jews. One said, ‘I have seen Kinanah walk around a ruin.’ Muhammad had Kinanah brought to him and said, ‘Do you know that if we find it, I shall kill you.’ ‘Yes,’ Kinanah answered. The Prophet commanded that the ruin should be dug up. Some treasure was extracted. Then Muhammad asked Kinanah for the rest. He refused to surrender it; so Allah’s Messenger gave orders concerning him to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
THIS TIME IT WILL BE YOU WE HAVE NO PITY FOR!!
Ishaq:515 “When the people of Fadak heard of what had happened, they sent word to the Messenger, asking him to banish them and spare their lives, saying they too would leave him their property. So Khaybar became the prey of the Muslims, while Fadak belonged exclusively to the Messenger of Allah, becoming his personal property.”
STILL SLAVES TODAY STILL STUPID TODAY!!
Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’ So fulfill your duty to Allah and the Prophet.”
MORE LIKE TO THE GREEDY MONSTERS??
LIKE WHERE IS ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] FIGHTING MORE LIKE HIDDING!!
Tabari VIII:142 “Whoever prays our prayer and turns to our Qiblah is a Muslim. Incumbent on whoever refuses is the payment of the jizyah tax.”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Qur’an 9:42 “(Prophet) had there been immediate gain (in sight with booty in front of them), and the journey easy—a near adventure—they would (all) have followed you.”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Qur’an 9:55 “Let not their wealth nor their sons dazzle you or excite your admiration (Muhammad).”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT MONEY AND THE GREEN EYED MONSTER??
Qur’an 9:57 “Some slander you, blaming you (of partiality) in the matter of (the distribution of) the offerings [stolen spoils]. If they are given part of these, they are pleased, but if not they are indignant and enraged!”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Qur’an 9:59 “(How much more seemly) if only they had been content with what Allah and His Messenger gave them, and said, ‘Sufficient is Allah! His Messenger will soon give us His bounty. We implore Allah to enrich us.’”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Qur’an 9:75 “Amongst them are men who made a deal with Allah, that if He bestowed on them of His bounty [booty], they would pay (largely) in zakat tax (for Allah’s Cause [Jihad]). But when He did bestow of His bounty, they became niggardly, and turned back (from their bargain), averse (refusing to pay).”
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Qur’an 5:13 “Loan Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from your evils, and admit you to Gardens.”
NO HE WON'T
Qur’an 5:119 “Allah will say: This is the day on which the Muslims will profit from Islam…”
WHAT IS THAT ABOUT NOT ABOUT MONEY??
Bukhari:V4B53N376 “While Allah’s Apostle was accompanied by the people on their way back from Hunayn, the Bedouins started begging for things so aggressively that they forced him to go under a Samura tree where his outer garment was snatched away. On that, Allah’s Apostle stood up and said, ‘Return my clothes. If I had as many camels as these trees, I would have distributed them amongst you; and you will not find me a miser.’”
SO IT IS ABOUT MONEY??
Bukhari:V4B53N377 “While I was walking with the Prophet he was wearing a Najrani outer garment with a thick hem. A Bedouin came upon him and pulled his garment so violently that I could see the imprint of the hem on his shoulder caused by the violence of his pull. The Bedouin said, ‘Give me something from Allah’s Fortune which you have.’ The Prophet turned, smiled, and ordered that a gift should be given.”
SO IT WAS ABOUT MONEY!!
Bukhari:V4B53N374 “The Prophet said, ‘I give to the Quraysh so that they will desire Islam, for they are nearer to their life of Ignorance and it is not strong in their hearts.’”
SO IT IS ABOUT MNEY??
Bukhari:V4B53N375 “When Allah favored His Apostle with the properties of the Hawazin tribe as Fai booty, he started giving to some of the Meccan men up to one-hundred camels each. Whereupon some Ansari said, ‘May Allah forgive His Apostle! He is giving to the Quraysh and leaving us out, in spite of the fact that our swords are still dripping with the blood of the infidels.’ When Muhammad was informed of what they had said, he called for the Ansar and gathered them in a leather tent. ‘What is the statement which I have been informed?’ The smart ones replied, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! The wise ones did not say anything, but the youngsters said, “May Allah forgive His Apostle; he enriches the Quraysh and leaves the Ansar poor, in spite of the fact that Ansar swords are still dribbling with the blood of the infidels.”’ The Prophet replied, ‘I give them more because they are still close to the period of Infidelity and have just recently embraced Islam. You should be pleased to see them becoming rich.’”
PAID ASSISIONS??
Tabari IX:36/Ishaq:596 “‘Prophet, this group of Ansar have a grudge against you for what you did with the booty and how you divided it among your own people.’ ‘Ansar, what is this talk I hear from you? What is the grudge you harbor? Do you think ill of me? Did I not come to you when you were erring and needy, and then made rich by Allah? Do you hold a grudge against me and are you mentally disturbed because of the worldly things by which I conciliate a people and win them over so that they will embrace Islam and become Muslims?”
SO FOR MY GREED IF I TELL YOU TO EAT DOG SHIT YOU HAD BETTER
Tabari IX:79 “In this year the zakat was made obligatory, and the Messenger dispatched his agents to collect it. The verse was revealed: ‘Take the zakat from their wealth to purify them.’”
THE UN TAX GET US OUT OF THE UN STOP FEEDING THE EVIL FOLLOWERS!!
Tabari IX:86 “He orders you to give one fifth of Allah’s booty and pay the zakat tax. It is enjoined on the faithful from their land and property…. And don’t seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax. Allah’s Apostle dispersed his representatives to every land where Islam had entered to collect the zakat.”
AND THIS IS WHERE THE MUSSIS HAVE GONE WRONG THEY HAVE DONE AS THEY ALWAYS DO THEY GET GREEDY AND THINK THEY CAN CONTROL THE WORLD!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
laish,
Sheikh Muhammad Ali was quoting from the Hadith of Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No.'s 176-7:
Of course Jews don't acknowledge this, this is what Muslims acknowledge as the word Allah's prophet, the perfect man for all time, who all Muslims must emulate in every way, Big Mo himself.
Were the Israelis to show such courage as suggested above, and it won't under the misguidance/political opportunism of a Sharon (but perhaps under the informed sense of urgency from a Netenyahu or a Landau), great miracles might happen. Perhaps G W Bush might sprout a pair of gonads such that his actions might match his post 9-11 clarity of words. Perhaps Berlusconi, Howard, Blair, and others would become similarily inspired, so that actions would follow words. (there I go with the wishful thinking again...)
Israel will implement the end game, not the palestainians.
Israel will implement the end game, not the palestainians.
If Spencer decides to close comments,then it is up to us,and what we do that will decide if this a victory for the muslims.I will not be happy to see the comments close,and would like them to remain open,never-less,with a bit of of positive thinking.an awful lot of good can be gained.
Firstly Robert and C/o will be able to concentrate more on what they want to do,which no doubt will be far more effective than having to maintaining the comments.
Secondly we can do many things such as getting the word out
Many of us spend sometimes hours here discussing our views. I feel that it's time to take our views to other discussion boards in order to make more people aware. If we all put forth a collective effort, I believe that we can reach thousands more. It's important that we come across professionally. That way, we gain credibility and increase our growth potential. We have a large audience out there that has yet to be tapped into We shouldn't be looking to debate those who are opposed to our views, but rather appeal to those who may embrace our views. Unfortunately some debating with the anti crowd is necessary in order to allow others to see that we're clearly right in our endeavors. This is an issue where diversity can pay high dividends. Let's use every resource that is afforded to us and make things happen. I'd like for fellow JW/DWers to reply to this and let others know what they're doing to help the cause with regard to the internet
It is said that a demagogue tailors his arguments to his audience. In truth every successful public speaker does.
There are thousands of different forums on the web populated by tens of millions of people all over the world. When you post on some of the larger forums as many as 10 to 20 thousand people will read your posts, and sometimes, if it is good enough, interesting enough, compelling enough, many of those 10,000 will copy it and send it to their friends, and their friends to their friends, etc.
So how do breach the gap.
Let's take the best forums for our side first, anti-control, anti-immigration forums, anti goverment, a natural audience for us.
There are many JWd/W articles you can paste into your posts,and there are many links to articles, etc. etc.
Next you have antiwar sites of both right and left and many newspaper forums that have numerous posts about the war. What a great place to put
links or links to Roberts,hughes articles on Islams role in this insane war.The opportunities abound.
There are huge numbers of Christian sites, we should not abandon our brethren who are Christian church goers, we should turn them into an army within their churches for the truth. You should see the eyes of the Christians I talk to when I show them That their own Bible
is vastly different than the Koran
It is easy to do this!
There are 10,000 forums. If your posts are intelligent and thought-provoking other people on the forums will begin discussing your posts and the play will become very wide again. Any dedicated person can reach tens of thousands of new people with our message each evening if they are disciplined enough to do it!
Try to engage in friendly dialogue, instead of preaching
People like to read intelligent, funny, posts and reposts. People like to see their ideas discussed. We are obviously trying to push a line of thought, but try to use some humor, interesting personal experiences and avoid flaming.
Remember, no one likes one time posters
Better to have a few quality post and replys rather than to have a thousand one time posts that get ignored because no one is there to back up the claims.
Ask questions that make people that make think,such as
Why are the same Moslems who condemn the public observance of the Christmas holiday as unconstitutional or unconstitutional for Christians to say "Merry Christmas" or sing Christmas carols? allowed to receive millions of tax payer dollars from Christians for the support and aid of many Islamic states
The thing is you don't want to spam a group, unless it's a message well designed as a thread starter, perhaps in the form of a topic and question and then you plan to return to each one of the groups you posted in to answer questions.
Imagine if you posted an important topic but never returned to answer questions there. This would show disgenuiness on your behalf. Personally, and I think I speak for most people, I hate spammers and 90% of their messages get ignored anyway. Also, remember that most groups will ban you if the moderator thinks you are spamming the board.
My best advice is to be there in person, ready to discuss and debate topics with members using the best of your talented abilities. Your character and conduct are just as important as the message you are trying to get across
There, I have given some very practical ways to wake up our Infidel brethren.
Just a thougt
The secret to transitioning from computer activism to street activism is to just go out and do it.
For starters get some National flags, good signs and a good banner. The banner can say:
DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS or
STOP ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION.
These are very generic and can be used over and over again.
Find a busy interesection in a area with good rush hour traffiic. Then just stand there with your banner and your signs and National flag. Do it for two hours. I've done a bunch of these and the reaction of the motorists is exhilerating. They honk, give thumbs up, cheer, etc. It's a great morale builder. YOu can do this kind of gig with two people. More is ok but two is all you need. The point is once you do it once, it gets easier to do it all the time.
Another area of demonstration is meetings held by POLITICIANS etc. Just stand outside on the street with your signs, flags and banner. For best results, have a local website that has contact info and an anti-illegal alien theme. It does not have to be complicated, but it does have to be there. You can make up home grown tailor made fliers for your demonstrations that have local themes, etc. or whatever would be most effictive. The important thing is to have your web site or other contact info on your fliers.
Call the local press in advcance and you'll get some press for your efforts. Press is a great way to generate interest and recruitment.
Listen! THe most important thing about activism is to just get active. Start small. It's cheap, easy, low risk. You will really be encouraged by the postivie reaction of the passing motorists, believe me. When you see how sympathetic people are to us, it will give you a whole different perspective ont he issue.
One more thing.... What is needed is more people to get up from their computer screen and just go out and meet people face to face the old fashioned way.
So let not think that the closing of the COMMENTS as something negative,It is a chance to go on to do greater things
I have started a thread at
http://www.fomi.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1432
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Anti Jihad Jokes
Where I would like to see a collection of jokes,graphics and photos or even funny comment,so if anybody has a little time I would be very happy if they could please register in and send them
A Muslim is naturally expected to be serious, as he was not created for the purpose of joking and amusement. When joking diverts a person from the purpose of their creation, which is to worship Allah SWT, it becomes dispraised. Another reason to make joking dispraised is when it is excessive and makes a person laugh too much which in turn leads to the heart becoming hardened; Rasulullah SAW said: “Do not laugh too much because excessive laughter kills your heart.”
So please send something that makes us laugh
Many thanks in advance
Best regards
SHIVA
These are very generic and can be used over and over again.
Find a busy interesection in a area with good rush hour traffiic. Then just stand there with your banner and your signs and National flag. Do it for two hours. I've done a bunch of these and the reaction of the motorists is exhilerating. They honk, give thumbs up, cheer, etc. It's a great morale builder. YOu can do this kind of gig with two people. More is ok but two is all you need. The point is once you do it once, it gets easier to do it all the time.
Another area of demonstration is meetings held by POLITICIANS etc. Just stand outside on the street with your signs, flags and banner. For best results, have a local website that has contact info and an anti-illegal alien theme. It does not have to be complicated, but it does have to be there. You can make up home grown tailor made fliers for your demonstrations that have local themes, etc. or whatever would be most effictive. The important thing is to have your web site or other contact info on your fliers.
Call the local press in advcance and you'll get some press for your efforts. Press is a great way to generate interest and recruitment.
Listen! THe most important thing about activism is to just get active. Start small. It's cheap, easy, low risk. You will really be encouraged by the postivie reaction of the passing motorists, believe me. When you see how sympathetic people are to us, it will give you a whole different perspective ont he issue.
One more thing.... What is needed is more people to get up from their computer screen and just go out and meet people face to face the old fashioned way.
So let not think that the closing of the COMMENTS as something negative,It is a chance to go on to do greater things
I have started a thread at
http://www.fomi.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1432
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Anti Jihad Jokes
Where I would like to see a collection of jokes,graphics and photos or even funny comment,so if anybody has a little time I would be very happy if they could please register in and send them
A Muslim is naturally expected to be serious, as he was not created for the purpose of joking and amusement. When joking diverts a person from the purpose of their creation, which is to worship Allah SWT, it becomes dispraised. Another reason to make joking dispraised is when it is excessive and makes a person laugh too much which in turn leads to the heart becoming hardened; Rasulullah SAW said: “Do not laugh too much because excessive laughter kills your heart.”
So please send something that makes us laugh
Many thanks in advance
Best regards
SHIVA
"Sheikh Muhammad Ali: "How peculiar it is that the Zionists believe this, while many leaders, regimes and Arabs do not believe this. This is very sad, strange, and puzzling. Of course, I mean the Muslims and Arabs that are misinformed. The Jews acknowledge this because they find it in their forged Torah, in their Talmud."..."
What in hell is this idiot talking about? Is it now customary practice in islamic theology-politics just to make up whatever one likes to support one's twisted positions?
How about this then, a la Imam Geoff: "But of course, muslims know they are actually following Satan, for it is so written in their holy book. I don't know why more leaders, regimes and ordinary Arabs don't acknowledge this."
A double punishment for him who speaks and knows not.
Imam Geoff
Hugh: no one stirs the pot as well as you !
But I believe the pot at this time has to be stirred. Many thanks.
Shiva: agree with you in one sense : that humour, and more likely, (excuse me for being impolite), ridicule, is one of the best weapons against the Jihadists.
Whether it is the diary of the deranged explodedope Siddiqqi in Pakistan, or the real life practises of Bakhri, the mouthfulls of taqiyya from CAIR pronouncements, comedy and satire will do its part.
Then there's our real anger. We will kill and destroy anyone who tries to ever make us slaves.
Our real anger. Our best weapon.
Be free or kiss you behind goodbye.
Imam Geoff:
In a word, "yes", but I'm not sure this reflects a revolution in Muslim theology so much as the manifestation of the "true faith" which is more or less what Spencer and Ibn Warraq would tell you. There are moderate Muslims, but Islam in itself is not moderate. And how else can you justify the establishment of a new religion without attacking that which preceeds (however baselessly).
And, OT for this thread, but if only this was a problem confined to radical Muslims. Certainly there once were and are still some people who claim to be Christian -- like our DW friend freddiethefreeloader, whose faith and understanding is so very narrow, literal and absolute. His flavour of Christianity, which is almost as triumphalist as the Muslim radicals he disdains, is very much what underlies his frequent swipes at Israel and Jews, relying on his acknowledgement of Jesus's and the Apostles' Judaism to deny being anti-Semitic, whereas his comments suggest otherwise. freddie is very much the kind of anti-Semite Dershowitz describes, one who singles out Israel and Jews for condemnation and holds both to a standard he himself couldn't meet.
Hi Shiva,
To those who think the G-d of the Bible and the god of islam are the same...notice the difference-
islam:
Rasulullah SAW said: “Do not laugh too much because excessive laughter kills your heart.”
Bible:
Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones
Carolyn2,
Religious moslems DO laugh. Just watch how they dance and sing with laughter and joy after a Jew has been killed.
-MZ
Nothing that comes from the hands of Hizbullah or like-minded groups surprises me. This single-minded dedication to world domination is likely held by a limited number of individuals, but is nevertheless embedded in a culture that has fostered this worldview. Assuming that most individuals within the Islamic world are not activists of this type, there may be some value in countering Hizbullah's shrieks with the voice of reason.
Just bear with me. I know that this will not be easy. It will not be immediate. It constitutes no less than the most massive detoxification, deprogramming, rehabilitation effort in history. Moderate Moslems must be made to understand that separation of church (mosque) and state is a necessity for world peace and that they have an interest in maintaining this concept is the lands to which they have emigrated or promoting it in the lands of their birth, many of latter having been taken from non-Muslims in the first place. To ignore this is to risk a backlash of huge proportion, a mammoth Reconquista, that will only lead to more suffering and misery for the world. After all, if the state of Israel is eradicated entirely by a Palestinian state, why not supplant such a Palestinian state by a revitalized Kingdom of Outremer?
This process must come from within the Islamic community, with encouragement and funding from the West, through stepped-up efforts in informative programming and literature throughout the Islamic world. Hold all countries accountable for protection of minority rights. Be ready to intervene militarily to prevent genocides, such as in the Darfur/South Sudan, Armenia, East Timor, etc. ad nauseum. Within the West, enforce the laws as they exist today. I believe that freedom of religion and conscience is an absolute human right, but citizenship is a privilege extended to us by our fellow citizens with the understanding that any individual's rights end at the tip of their neighbor's nose.
Sheikh Muhammad Ali and his ilk would do well to remember that many generations of believers of all stripes thought God was Greatest long before Mohammed ever came to think of himself as a prophet. That realization does not need to be sewn on to a flag to have significance nor should it ever be enforced with the threat of violence. It must be lived.
No secret at all and certainly no suprise. It was the same with Hezbollah after Israel withdrew back across the formal border.
Most recognize cheap Arab rhetoric and hyperbole for what it is. The Arabs have won nothing. They never have, even if they somehow effect a military victory somewhere. Their unrealistic and highly prejudicial view that any "waqf" is eternally Islamic property is nonsense. It has only hurt them and in that regard, I hope they stay the course.
OSLO was a dream, look what it got Israel. If the Arabs still spit in the world's face after having tripped up Oslo, it only seves to illustrate the futility of both their culture and religion. Harsh words but true none the less...