The defense, of course, described all this differently. From AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
SAN FRANCISCO - Federal prosecutors allege that secret recordings offer further details about a 22-year-old Lodi man they claim attended a jihad training camp designed to teach attendees how to kill people, a newspaper reported in Monday's edition.The latest allegations came Friday from U.S. Attorney McGregor W. Scott in a court filing, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. In the filing, prosecutors asked a federal judge in Sacramento to continue holding Hamid Hayat and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, without bail.
A hearing was scheduled Monday at U.S. District Court in Sacramento, where attorneys for the Hayats were to argue for their bail to be reduced. Both men have been charged with lying about the son's alleged presence at a training camp.
According to prosecutors, a witness recorded Hamid Hayat when in 2003 when he was in the United States, and again when Hayat was in Pakistan the same year.
Prosecutors Steven Lapham and Robert Tice-Raskin also allege that Hamid Hayat acknowledged to federal agents that he attended a camp in Pakistan for at least three months in 2003. He was arrested shortly after returning from Pakistan.
"He described, with fair detail, the location of the second camp and layout of the same," the Lapham and Tice-Raskin filing states. "The purpose of both camps was to train for jihad and to teach people to kill those who work against Muslims."
What I can never understand (call me one more "misunderstander of Islam") is why you need a "camp" for an "inner spitirual struggle"?
Do they all gather together and squeeze their eyes shut real hard, thereby purifying their souls en masse?
Maybe some moderate Muslim can enlighten me?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-21-hageliraq_x.htm
Senator Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese that the U.S. fought, the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization.
Our politicians are clueless. How about the ideology of jihad???
BigSleep:
It's not the concept of followers of any faith gathering at a camp with the purpose of strengthening their faith. Christians and Jews do this, and, presumably so do other "nonAbrahamic" faiths.
It's that the camping entails a rigorous course of indoctrination in the hatred of "the other" and training in acts of terrorism that is objectionable.
Perhaps a few notes to the senators from their constituents correcting their misconceptions would help. Anyone from Northern Virginiastan or any Nebraskans care to email them?
waterdragon52-
Just pulling their legs.
I WISH they were having a peaceful traditional "spiritual camp" experience- ecumencial or not- as the Muslim apologists always pretend they are, and also pretend about the supposed "true" meaning of "jihad" ("But it is just "an inner spiritual struggle'!" they usually b.s.).
I'm all for people gathering to attune their souls to the Ineffable, if it works for them, whether in a Pima sweat lodge in the Southwest or a camp in the Catskills for 'spiritual tree planters for Zion'.
As long as "kill the unbelievers" isn't sung to the melody of "Kumbayaa" around the crackling fire after dinner, I say, let the outdoorsy experience of the ontological Mysterium flourish.
The new Islamic camp fire??
http://images.military.com/Shock/0,,SA_050608_UH60Mosul,00.html
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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN