Now wait a minute. I thought Hizb-ut-Tahrir was supposed to be "non-violent." But now they're threatening riots. Imagine what they'd be doing if they weren't non-violent! From The Observer, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
A radical Islamic group declared yesterday it would resist all attempts by Tony Blair to ban the organisation.Officials of Hizb ut-Tahrir warned that the government's proposals would be interpreted by the Muslim community as part of an 'anti-Islamic' agenda and could trigger civil unrest.
Speakers for the Islamic political party announced they had begun seeking legal advice to fight any attempts to ban the organisation, which has existed in Britain for more than 50 years. The announcement coincided with fresh warnings that Britain's deteriorating race relations could lead to a repeat of the inner-city riots in the Eighties.
'The move is a perilous route that is harming community relations and could lead to civil unrest comparable to that which affected the black community,' said Imran Waheed, spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir. He also rejected calls for the Muslim community to root out extremism and dismissed claims that the organisation was harbouring terrorists as 'ludicrous'.
Threats? From Muslims? Perish the thought!
This kind of story is so commonplace now that I actually find myself laughing when I read it. The sheer audacity of these Islamic groups defies description, and personally, I am beyond fearing anything from the Muslim world.
We are at war. It's a war that hasn't ended in 1400 years. I didn't need 1400 clues to understand what was going on. The terror has sunk in, Muhammad. I get it.
But, I choose not to behave like a good little Dhimmi. Sorry.
I bet that the "possible civil unrest" warned about by the Hizb ut-Tahrir organization is well into the planning stages, with lots of help from other Muslim organizations in Britain. The two main goals will be large scale destruction of property and businesses by ordinarily "peaceful" Muslims who can't help themselves from reacting to such injustices, followed by a long list of concessions demanded of the Blair government after the fires are put out.
Immigrants are included at the grace of the host country. Expel them if they aren't willing to observe the laws and mores of their host. Born citizens should be investigated and jailed if treasonous behavior is discovered.
The announcement coincided with fresh warnings that Britain's deteriorating race relations could lead to a repeat of the inner-city riots in the Eighties.
Now this is rather interesting.There was no rioting after the Stockwell shooting,now for anybody that does not know London,I will say that this is where three serious riots took place,due to heavy handed police profiling.And an incident like Stockwell would surely start rioting if race relations where as bad as the speakers for the Islamic party claim.So once again we see that the Moslem's are trying to put the blame else where
This is not a racial issue,if it was then I am damned sure that Stockwell and Brixton would have been trashed within a few days after the shooting.
The molsem are trying to make this into racial issue so as to get other communities involved.Now it is up to the media to recognize this,and not call it Racial Riot.
Civil unrest? Riots?...the one thing authority knows how to handle is riots. Being a hard headed rioter is not good enough...better wear a helmet...and body armor in case shooting starts...Riot on dudes...Years ago during the many Berkely, Cal USA riots, I read where a gas was developed for riot control, that made the inhalers poop their pants immediatly. I dont know about you, but that would stop me...what a gas that is...
Hmmm. Islamic suicide bombers, shoot to kill orders, and now Islamic race riots too?...Hmmm...those rioters better be in speedos.
Who still takes this twaddle by the Muslim lobby seriously ? Unfortunately the 'trembling in our boots, dont offend CAIR', American media does.
Will the Wiz be able to give the lion courage ?
Stay tuned.
These threats are being issued while the Muslim % of Britain's population hovers around 5. Can you imagine the coercive power of such threats when that % is up to 25, which is only 2 or 3 decades away.
The day of reckoning for Western Europe is not 60 or 70 years away when Muslims will constitute a majority. It will come much sooner, when they are a minority of sufficient numbers that they will aggressively pursue their agenda and succeed in attaining special rights for their community, specifically, the imposition of facets of Sharia to govern them.
If mass expulsion is simply too extreme and medieval a solution - and I feel it is, then dramatic curbs on Muslim immigration is the only other viable solution.
As for Britain's (and Europe's) need for immigrants to augment its aging labor pool, Indian Hindus and Christians from the Philippines, Southern Africa and even Latin America can readily fill the need. The inevitable cries of discrimination can be answered in language that conforms to worship at the alter of political correctness: "this is a plan to ensure diversity in Britain's immigrant population and to eccentuate its multicultural character."
Now wasn't all that mostly unrestricted "refugee status" immigration a great idea?
Bring in those who would be almost guaranteed to become nothing but become human termites, and "hope for the best".
Good plan.
I'm sure the native Brits will honor the memory of those politicians, from the 1960's on, who invited in the radicals (and their "look-the-other-way" co-religionists' community... Mao's "sea" in which the extremists can "swim") vocally dedicated to the destruction of the kingdom.
The multicultural paradise strikes again.
Getting them out will be a little more problematic than letting them in.
Because, once expelled, they will be even more likely to become murderously militant, with a 'perfect grudge' mentality to fuel and 'justify' their terrorism.
(A shame they can't ALL just be sent back to the 7th century -that they so long for- but Stephen Hawkings still has a little work left to do on that string theory-based quantum technology.)
From Fox News:
More here.
Somebody up there is suggesting tat a host country is doing a favour to immigrants... look here sonny
it works both ways. My dad is an immigrant doc, if u've ever been to UK then u'd realise the invaluable service rendered by immigrant docs and nurses. BTW as for threat of race riots... we've had a pretty worse bout of Muslim/White rioting in Bradford(now Bradistan),Oldham and Burnley in 2001. But they managed to put the blame solely on BNP/NF.
Go ahead and riot, you silly kniggits.
Be violent, brutal, and howl out jihadi threats.
Make sure it is all captured on the news, and shown around the world in order to show what happens when Muslims are "dissed".
Take off the mask, boys, please do.
Vikrant_C.-
Quite.
Those who come to a land to enrich it are a blessing.
Those who arrive to undermine it are a cancer.
The 'doctor' is waking up to that fact, finally.
(A shame it took 50 plus dead to rouse him.)
As I said on an earlier thread, their old website is just a blank page. It was a lot more, shall we say...interesting than the one that remains.
http://www.islamic-state.org/
That is the old site - it spoke about how the "kalipha" was going to be run.
http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html
About the race issue, ↑
Where the very REAL threat of nuclear terrorism is involved, mass expulsion of possible conspirators and enemis is anything but Medieval. It would be completely sane.
Once again, release the soccer hooligans and pub patrons on these swine. They'll learn what rioting is all about from those who've made it famous in Britain.
Vikrant_Camberleykar, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is BNP/NF?
You make a very good point. The anger against the Islamic fanatics often manifests itself into a backlash against ALL immigrants. That is a pity given the fact that many of these immigrants have contributed their heart and souls to their adopted country.
this is the problem with "moderate" islam. this is why i believe that moderate islam is running interference for radical islam, in a "good cop, bad cop" sort of way. the bad cop is radical islam who uses inhumane tactics. the good cop is moderate islam who appears reasonable and tries to spread islam legally. these two dynamics work on non-muslim societies to achieve the goals of islamic world domination. the population of muslims then increases and the target country is slowly smothered by islam. that's why the world needs to ban islam outright, before moderate islam starts throwing tantrums and rioting from a position of strength.
when we need moderate islam to help us, moderate islam suddenly has it's own agenda. to islam, freedom is an unholy thing which must be "improved" upon. i say "no thanks" to islam and to islamic influence. trusting moderate islam is like leaning on a broken reed that breaks and cannot be relied upon. that is why my position is to ban all of islam. moderate islam is in cahoots with radical islam, whether it intentionally knows it or not. they are both working towards the same goal of islamic world domination. radical islam creates a problem, then before long moderate islam suggests "solutions" for radical islam's misbehavior, such as the respecting of islamic sensibilities. it's a dynamic which could result in world conquest for islam. we don't want to follow the advice of either radical or moderate islam. we want to get rid of both moderate and radical islam in a voluntary worldwide deprogramming of this cult of islam, or send muslims into exile on an island or neutral country someplace. for instance, send all uncompromising muslims to africa below the zero degree parallel, and then monitor the region heavily. say to the muslim, entirely forsake islam and assimilate into freedom and liberty which we are hereby imposing, or be exiled to a primitive society.
meanwhile, the non-muslim world should take over and replace all islamic governments with nothing resembling sharia and where things like music and legislating laws and freedom of expresssion are permitted. as things are now, it looks like the opposite is happening and islam has the momentum.
i say to china, join the cause of freedom now and don't wait until islam destroys free governments before you start to oppose islam. i say to india, look at how surrounded you are by islamic countries. it could be only a matter of time before you yourself are taken over by islam. join with the forces of freedom and roll back the scourge of islam.
india and australia could subordinate islam from turkey to indonesia. america and china can subordinate islam from saudi arabia and the middle east to southern africa. one seamless operation to roll back islam, for the sake of world freedom and free markets, and all financed by petroldollars.
Unfortunately, I'm convinced that China is ruled by opportunists that are just waiting for our hands to be tied by Islamic attacks -- then when we are spread thin like peanut butter they will attack Taiwan.
China is still the #1 threat to the United States. Do not ever doubt it. Islamic Terror is like the unacknowledged sidekick to China's goals at recreating it's ancient Empire. There is a definite racist hubris amongst the Chinese elite Communist party that had to be kept a careful eye on at all times by our military and I've heard more than enough rumors and seen enough facts to know that the military buildup over the past 20 years is definitely not just for "wargames."
As Emperor Claudius was advised so long ago:
"Trust No One. No One."
The following article is a pretty good read on Hizb ut-Tahrir.
May 30, 2003
This article is reprinted by permission of The Heritage Foundation
A Modern Fundamentalist Movement
Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami (Islamic Party of Liberation) is an emerging threat to American interests in Central and South Asia and the Middle East. It is a clandestine, cadre-operated, radical Islamist political organization that operates in 40 countries around the world, with headquarters apparently in London. Its proclaimed goal is jihad against America and the overthrow of existing political regimes and their replacement with a Caliphate (Khilafah in Arabic), a theocratic dictatorship based on the Shari'a (religious Islamic law). The model for Hizb is the "righteous" Caliphate, a militaristic Islamic state that existed in the 7th and 8th centuries under Mohammad and his first four successors, known as the "righteous Caliphs."
Here's a link to the full article: http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=490
Notice their apparent London headquarters.
Repeating Carolyn2, here's a link to their current website: http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html
Their aims are quite clear, one of which is:... to lead the Ummah into a struggle with Kufr, its systems and its thoughts so that Islam encapsulates the world.
As treehugger requests: "Take off the mask, boys, please do."
And let's hope they do it in court.
@Razdan:
BNP stands for British National Party and NF stands for National Front. Both are Neo-nazi white supremacist parties here in Britain. In 2001 Muslims clashed with BNP guys in our northern cities when muslims responded to BNP provocation which quickly turned out into a full blown riot against police.
VK,
I remember American TV News coverage of the Oldham and Bradford rioting clearly. ABC's Peter Jennings (RIP) reported the rioting and at the end of his report, editorialized that "our sources in Britain blame the rioting on the right-wing National Front."
This was said as the TV footage showed Pakistani and Bangladeshi youth hurling bottles, rocks and molotov cocktails as businesses and pubs burned in the backround. I was struck by the incongruity between Jennings words and the film. It reminded me of Richard Pryor's classic line when his wife caught him bed with another woman: "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes"!
Apparently, the editors at ABC News noticed their mistake because every subsequent report on the rioting over the next few nights showed the same footage of a bloodied white racist being arrested by the British police.
One other example of media incongruity between the spoken word and the accompanying film was during the first battle of Fallujah. The CNN report showed a wounded, young Iraqi boy being treated at a local hospital by an Iraqi Dr. The voice-over translator had him saying: "Why is America bombing our children? All we want to do is live in peace. Women and children are dying! Why doesn't the world stop this madness?"
As a supporter of Bush's Iraqi policy, I must admit to being mortified and guilt-ridden by what I was seeing. But lo and behold, just as the report ended, the cameraman panned the hospital room from left to right....showing 15 or 20 fighting-age Iraqi men with various wounds. Not one woman or child was there except the child that was being treated and who had been the center-piece of the story.
I'm sure CNN editors lamented the fact that they overlooked editing out the final 20 seconds of that footage. But it told a story at total varience with what was being said.
I chose to believe "my lying eyes."
Cornelius-
Debbie Schussel called Jennings a jihadi journalist in todays column. Worth reading, I might have waited until after his burial before publishing.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com
These are the usual threats from Muslims. They amount to "punish us and we'll riot and our youth will be radical and become suicide bombers. If you don't punish us there will still be suicide bombers but we do promise to condemn them after the rubble is cleared".
This is typical of the juvenile Muslim mind. Western governments have nothing to lose by kicking out Muslims since Muslim have no loyalty to their adopted societies and will riot, kill and engage in terrorism no matter how well or how badly they are treated.Meanwhile it is not lost on the average citizen that the response by Muslim to the rule of law is threats and violence.No other group automatically resorts to violence when subjected to the laws that apply to everyone else. So keep talking Muslims.
Well this certainly made my day and possibly even my week:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4133150.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4133150.stm
Notice how Al-BBC avoids telling its audience that the great 'Prophet' of Islam fled like a dog with its tail between its legs when things became too hot in the kitchen.
"The Arabic word 'hirja' commonly means to seek religious sanctuary and refers to an event in the early years of Islam's history."
The Brixton and St.Paul's riots addressed some very real social problems, and were followed by much-needed reforms. The Oldham and Bradford riots were small potatoes by comparison. Nothing like Brixton would be possible now. The Muslims who threaten anything similar simply do not have the numbers: in that case, it was the whole black community of London or Bristol - not only the young hotheads with which our Hizb-Ut-Tahrir friends threaten us, but adults of all ages and sexes - that seized the streets to protest against real injustice. Neither Hizb-Ut-Tahrir nor any other of the groups currently earmarked for banishment will manage to rouse nearly as much anger.
And Omar Bakri is right - he will not be able to practice his religion in Britain. Not as long as it involves indoctrination, war and murder.
Unfortunately, I'm convinced that China is ruled by opportunists that are just waiting for our hands to be tied by Islamic attacks -- then when we are spread thin like peanut butter they will attack Taiwan
This is exactly what I said on LGF. I believe China will assist our enemies in their assaults on us, Foehammer.
Love your moniker Jimbabwe!
No question Jennings and ABC were slanted in their reporting of the Middle-East.
I also remember Jennings introducing the various Senators as they entered the chamber during the Clinton impeachment proceedings. He would say "here is the very conservative Senator [such and such]" describing several Republicans, but never once introduced any Democrats with the label "liberal" much less "very liberal."
He was totally sympathetic to the Sandinistas, Palestinians and other anti-American, authoritarian groups. He openly confessed he grew up in an anti-American, Canadian household.
In the end, he was a typical representative of the mainstream media.
Peter Jennings, rest in peace.
When are these people goingto begin to understand that for the most part the west takes the extremists cries of racism, with less than agrain of salt.
These are just evil, murderous people who want others to think they are valid members of the human race,when in actuality they less than pond scum.
We do however have to clean our pond!