The jihad continues to be preached online in Britain. "Radical websites defy deportation threat by urging Islamic war on West," from the Telegraph, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Radical websites are continuing to encourage Muslims to fight western nations despite the threat of new legislation.The website of the organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has repeatedly stressed its opposition to violence, tells its followers: "We begin fighting the enemy even if he did not start fighting us. . . Jihad is not a defensive war; it is in fact a war to raise the word of Allah and it is compulsory originally in order to spread Islam and to carry its message even if the disbelievers did not attack us."
In an article on the G8 summit, but referring to the London bombings, Hizb ut-Tahrir says it is "against explosions in cities".
But it adds: "We wonder why the West look at their civilians who have been killed in one way and look at Muslims who have been killed in another way? Why do those non-believers in the West and the Jews expect that the massacre of Muslims will not result in violent reactions from Muslims?
"Why do they not expect that the violation of honour, desecration of Korans and the sanctities, the brutal crimes in occupied Muslim countries such as Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Chechnya will push some people to take revenge, to meet killing with killing. Why do they not expect this?"
The article adds that the solution is the creation of an Islamic state. "It will bring back the Muslim world's glory and power and cut the hand of every non-believing colonialist who extends his hand to harm the Muslim countries and it will protect Islam, the honour of Muslims and their sanctities. It will begin the conquests and spread goodness to all corners of the world."
Read it all.
"...spread goodness to all the corners of the world..."
Yeah, that'll happen.
Dear Sirs,
I've seen your version of "goodness", no thanks, I'll pass.
Sincerely, your sworn enemy,
T-ham
Internment,
mass-deportations,
an end of welfare and asylum-benefits,
the immediate closure of madrassahs and mosqes and a very loud and clear "No Islam in Europe" (or any civilized country) should be the answer.
No more pussyfooting around, no more caving in to special interest groups, a loud and clear "this is where the buck stops" to the shysters and the "human rights" freaks that have turned the world upside down, that is what's needed, now!
Many of us just won't have it:
Islam has declared war on us, why does it take so long for the coin to drop? What stops us from retaliating?
"As I turn the page, each English hour, I feel the light is getting dhimmer...."
Princess Tony, Clown Prince Clarke, for Elgar's sake please wake up.
I don't think the Kings of Dhim in New Labour will succeed in banning Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK. There will be a trade off between New Labour & Sir Iqbal - nothing of substance but ending in a great photo op outside of Downing Street with lots of happy smiles & optimistic talk of reaching a consensus on a "way forward".
It will be the re - re - re - re launch & re - re - re - re spin of their much vaunted, yet painfully incoherent "3rd Way Politics".
...& lets not forget New Labour are the party that promised, on its life, in 1997 to engage & pursue an "Ethical Foreign Policy"
Well, we now know how that was interpreted.
WEAKNESS!
Terminator:
I concur fully with you! This is no time for pussyfooting around. However, it's more pussyfooting I fear that we'll get! The problem is this: To get the kind of action you and I would like, we would need a Churchillian figure to take the reins of power. There is no such fugure on the horizon. Tony Blair doesn't come up to Churchill's ankles! He just doesn't cut the mustard, does he?
Albion:
I fear that what you have stated is how things will play out. To get a different outcome, we would need 'real men' to lead us, not prissy little pansies, which is what we have, by and large.
The Beatles? Immagine there's no Islam? Well perhpas not, but a darn good idea.
This is slightly slightly off topic, but I just heard a new blurb that the UN or some part of it wants to write up Britain on human rights violations for deporting clerics that could face imprisonment or torture in their home countries.
Can you believe this? The UK is responsible for what other governments do or don't do to its own citizens????
I'd like to know which group is doing this. Hopefully some of you connected people can find the right article for DhimmiWatch....
Return of the Kaliphate!
I'm all for it. I've been in discussions with a fervent Hizb-uh-Tahrir member for about 2 years. My point to him, is, and has been, that the West would welcome a Caliphate. We'd be happy to see muslims stop killing muslims, as it stands 10x more muslim-civillians have been killed by fellow Iraqi muslims than any US inflicted casualties. We'd be happy to see an establishment of equality - places like Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia could greatly improve with equality. Us westerners would be tickled to see muslim brothers not invade each other - like Turkey/Kurds, Iran/Iraq, Sunni/Shia.
Its a laughable dream - the muslims can't get their act together. Sure their extremists can occasionally kill many civillians, but, they cant even provide basic economic equality among their own brethren. "Its all the fault of the West.... its all the fault of the Zionists... they corrupt every attempt by the muslim peoples!" the Hizb guy whines.
So I tell him - with every bit of sarcasm "Where can westerners send donations to help get this caliphate idea started ?"
They clearly state their intentions, and we do nothing of substance.
They boldly shout their intentions, and we do nothing of substance.
They scream their intentions from the rooftops, and we do nothing of substance.
History is littered with the corpses of societies who could not or would not recognize the truth in front of them. The "why" doesn't matter to the dead, but it should be of critical concern to the living. How can our leaders go on pretending? History shows the usual culprits are arrogance(denying the possibility of a threat, or dramatically underestimating it), ignorance(just not "getting it",or poor intel), short-term objectives that emphasize goals that do not address the root causes, the list goes on.
Reading at the moment; "War in the Shadows", a 2vol study of "The Guerilla in History"
What I come away with is the appalling repetition
of errors through history, due to the arrogant dismissal of the possibility of learning any lessons from the past, or the arrogant dismissal of the reality of the enemy's potential. These failures, and the subsequent military actions that grew from them, left a legacy of millions of dead, bankrupt countries, hatreds undiminshed centuries later, and barely subdued enemies who invariably rose again within years, or at most, decades.
Our enemies continue to hand us their intentions on a silver platter. What else will it take?
One has to wonder how long this intolerable condition can be allowed to continue in Britain if Britain is to be saved.
As long as Tony continues to suck up to the likes of Sir Iqbal Socranie, so long as Tariq Ramadan, a Jihadist for Islam, shunned by America, can get accepted at Oxford this fall, Britain is in great danger.
One has to wonder how long this intolerable condition can be allowed to continue in Britain if Britain is to be saved.
As long as Tony continues to suck up to the likes of Sir Iqbal Socranie, so long as Tariq Ramadan, a Jihadist for Islam, shunned by America, can get accepted at Oxford this fall, Britain is in great danger.
One has to wonder how long this intolerable condition can be allowed to continue in Britain if Britain is to be saved.
As long as Tony continues to suck up to the likes of Sir Iqbal Socranie, so long as Tariq Ramadan, a Jihadist for Islam, shunned by America, can get accepted at Oxford this fall, Britain is in great danger.
Terminator,
Islam has declared war on us, why does it take so long for the coin to drop? What stops us from retaliating?
The question should be "WHO stops us from retaliating?"
And the answer is: those who conceal and deny that "Islam has declared war on us".
To conceal the reality of war in the time of war is the most important element of the grand strategy of Islam's war against the West.
Those who propagate that delusion are either moslems or fools or traitors.
There are some on this site who keep questioning who it is in the Muslim world that is declareing war on the West. Does THIS answer your question?
Hmm. Hizb ut-Tahrir. An oddly familiar name... Maybe, just maybe, because some 40 largest British Muslim organizations, including the much-praised Muslim Council of Britain, have signed a joint statement, calling a ban on it illegal?..
I'm wondering when the British authorities will finally realize the scale of the threat they're facing. The MCB indeed represents the views of a large majority of British Muslims, and if they defend the terrorist group issuing statements such as the one above so vigorously, the UK government should think of reconsidering their belief in the 'moderate majority'.
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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org
Balrog,
There are some on this site who keep questioning who it is in the Muslim world that is declareing war on the West. Does THIS answer your question?
Well, my question was a rhetorical one, or rather expanding on Terminator's question.
Whatever...
Anyway, those "who keep questioning..." must be told that undeclared war is still a war. In fact more dangerous than declared one.
From the DT article
"They have gone astray so we want to treat them in a way that will set them straight. . . We want to treat them the way clerics treat their students, the way fathers treat their sons."
Interesting comment about fathers treatment of their sons. Below is a link of the way muslim fathers treat their daughters.
A TRUE STORY OF ISLAMIC SLAVERY- THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT THIER WOMEN
http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/
Plus other items of interest on the same site
ISLAMIC SLAVERY CONTINUES
ISLAMIC SLAVERY
ISLAMIC UPGRADE freebies from your taxes
of particular interest to Hugh
IF YOU WANT TO KILL A CULTURE-DESTROY THE LANGUAGE
My MP has said she will sit with Hizb members and discuss its peaceful intentions but they have scrubbed their site of the hate crap they ussually have there , luckily there are saved copies on
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/08/03/hizbut_tahrir_airbrushes_racism_from_its_past.php
He He
breadwinner - thanks for the reference.
Clearly shows up them for being the LIARS, DISSEMBLERS and HATERS that they are.
They have been outed and made. Bless the bloggers.
Now, where is the mainstreammedia ? They will not save us. This is the vital fight to be in.We will have to save ourselves.
It would be interesting to see an Islamic Caliphate, although it would probably be easier to unite all of Christianity under the Pope than for the Shia and Sunni to agree on such a leader.
One only (sadly) has to look at Iraq and see that they have major arguments there...I don't see this Caliphate as a working possibility.
T-ham
"...spread goodness to all the corners of the world..."
Yeah, that'll happen.
Dear Sirs,
I've seen your version of "goodness", no thanks, I'll pass.
Sincerely, your sworn enemy,
T-ham
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That is funny and so true, I totally agree with you!
From article: "We begin fighting the enemy even if he did not start fighting us. . . Jihad is not a defensive war; it is in fact a war to raise the word of Allah and it is compulsory originally in order to spread Islam and to carry its message even if the disbelievers did not attack us."
Now aint that the truth...Whatcha gunna do when the Sons of Allah come after you? You gunna 'praise the Lord and pass the ammunition', or are you going to sing,'Please Mr Custer, I dont want to go'.
So the best way to carry a message is to wage war on the recipiant. Shot by the mailman.
Now there's a plan. Beware of muslims carrying messages, especially if they are dressed as postmen...or football players...
Help me out here. Something is just not making sense.
First is this quote: "We BEGIN fighting the enemy even if HE DID NOT START FIGHTING US. . . Jihad is NOT a defensive war .."
Then this: "Why do they not expect that the violation of honour, desecration of Korans and the sanctities, the brutal crimes in occupied Muslim countries such as Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Chechnya will push some people TO TAKE REVENGE, TO MEET KILLING WITH KILLING. Why do they not expect this?"
I'm adding 2 + 2 and coming out with 13 and 1/2.
THEY begin fighting US but WE should understand when THEY, then, take revenge for killings and violations of honour, etc.? This doesn't compute in a rational mind.
Johnny hits Susie but Susie shouldn't be upset but Johnny can be upset because the hurt he inflicted caused him to hit Susie even more. And Susie damned well better sit there and take her beatings and keep her mouth shut and not be hurt .. is that the story we're expected to swallow? Oy vey!