Gazans loot prize greenhouses

The intractible allergy that Muslims show for anything "un-Islamic" guarantees that they will never reform their putrid religion. They will summarily reject ANYTHING that has the "taint" of Western or Jewish influence. Clearly they are similar to a malignant tumor -- it's only demand is to grow -- with no thought given to the organism it inhabits and attacks... Eventually the malignancy, if given the opportunity to thrive, takes over the organism entirely. Since it is incapable of governing the organisms complex systems, and since it destroyed the organism's processes and infrastructure in its battle to further itself and grow -- the end result is DEATH for both the host and the malignancy.

Just so we will now watch while the barbarians dismantle the settlement infrastructure through their grotesque efforts to 'cleanse' the land of Zionist influence. In the process, all semblance of infrastructure will be destroyed. In what should be 'the end' the fascist Palestinians should only be left with their hatred and the barren desert on which to feed. But the world being what it is -- no doubt the Europeans, and even the Americans will step up and feed the tumor more supplies of blood and food -- so it won't be the end. We keep feeding the cancer of Islam hoping that it will stop its horrific metastasis -- hoping that the ravages of the Arab culture of hatred and the fascism of Islam will cease being a malignant force in the world....

Isolate and destroy -- it's the only way --- stop feeding the cancer before it's too late!!!

Excellent analogy, jsla.

I hope Zuckerman and his pals are paying close attention. Of course, it would be far too much to ask these MSM'ers to actually learn something about the idology underlying the malignancy. But at least they can see the fruits of their generosity

I honestly don't know how any reasonable person could possibly feel any sympathy for muslims in general and palestinians in particular. So once again, Israelis provide a great asset and the muslims proceed to crap all over it.

I feel sympathy for Muslims. They are truly the wretched of the earth. They're caught in a horrible web of lies spun by a spastic pedophile sociopath 1400 years ago. The huge majority of Muslims have no access to learning that might allow them to escape. Their minds have no sustenance beyond the Koran and putrid media provided by jihadists and Arab dictators. The Palestinians are the worst off of the lot. Their Arab neighbors and Western intellectuals have turned them into a malevolent, spoiled child race prone to horrid tantrums and utterly lacking in virtue.

Former Israeli diplomat and politician Abba Eban's words ring true as ever: "Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

An interesting paper has been published at the U.S. Naval Institute - Proceedings by Lieutenant Colonel James G. Lacey, U.S. Army Reserve titled The Impending Collapse of Arab Civilization. It's worth reading - here's an excerpt:

"A more accurate understanding of events leads to the conclusion that Arab, not Muslim, civilization is in a state of collapse, and it just happens that most Arabs are Muslims. In this regard, the fall of the Western Roman Empire was a collapse of Western Europe and not a crisis of Christianity. The next question is, how could the world have missed an entire civilization collapsing before its eyes? The simple answer is that no one alive today has ever seen it happen before. Well within living memory we have seen empires collapse and nation-state failure has become a regular occurrence, but no one in the West has witnessed the collapse of a civilization since the Dark Ages. Civilizational collapses take a long time to unfold and are easy to miss in the welter of daily events."

"Interestingly, on the Arab League's website there is a paper that details all of the contributions made by Arab civilization. It is a long and impressive list, which unfortunately marks 1406 as the last year a significant contribution was made. That makes next year the 600th anniversary of the beginning of a prolonged stagnation, which began a dive into the abyss with the end of the Ottoman Empire. Final collapse has been staved off only by the cash coming in from a sea of oil and because of a few bright spots of modernity that have resisted the general failure."

http://www.navalinstitute.org/Proceedings/Articles05/Pro09Lacey.htm

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The belief that the "Palestinian" Arabs will be productive, will try to work for a living, will show initiative and industry, is belied by the record of Muslim Arabs elsewhere. Their main sources of income are two: the revenues that an accident of geology throws off, for the oil-rich Arabs; the continued jizyah, that is the tribute paid for "protection" by non-Muslims both within Muslim-dominated countries (thus the Chinese and Indians must support the Muslims of Malaysia through the disguised jizyah of the Bumiputra system), and by non-Muslim governments to Muslim states -- such as the tens of billions paid to Egypt by the Americans, as a reward to Saint Sadat for pocketing the entire Sinai, the billions paid to the "Palestinian" Authority by Europeans and Americans as the Jihad against Isarel continues unappeased and unabated, and meanwhile attacks have begun on the Christian "Palestinians" and broader Christian interests in the Holy Land as well, the billions pocketed by Pakistan and Bangladesh, and Indoensia (an oil-rich country that nonetheless has managed to attract all sorts of Western aid). Manna from Allah, protection money from the Infidels, and -- oh, yes -- here and there some textiles (as in Jordan), child-labor rug industry (and how many of those child-slaves are Christians?) in Pakistan.

No one should believe for one minute that the local Arabs, once their looting is done, will do anything except put out their hands for Western, including American, aid. And the Americans will pay up. Why? Because they cannot figure out what else to do. They do not dare, even today, after to much anti-Americanism, officially condoned and officially spread, in Egypt, to take away any of the money that props up the criminal enterprise of Mubarak and his gang. The American government offers the classic atittudes of the dhimmi, without apparently realizing it. Once the tribute begins to be paid, the dhimmi must continue, feels compelled to continue, to pay.

Let the greenhouses go to hell, as of course it was obvious to all sensible people that they would. And the next time the various Rich People who shelled out $14 million for what will soon be shelled-out buildings, next decide that it would be a Good Thing to spend for A Better World, why don't they send something, even something far smaller but that can be put to good use, to those who are attempting to diffuse a knowledge of Islam -- the real Islam, not the CAIR-sweetened variety.

For those who study Islam, there are no surprises. Not here, not in the daily newspaper, not on the radio, not on television. Everything fits the model, the model that Islam offers. Everything is now perfectly predictable. The confused are those who have failed to study Islam, failed to study what is contained in those canonical texts, failed to read what Bat Ye'or and Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina and Robert Spencer and Andrew Bostom and others have written themselves, or compiled from others for easy divulgation.

These people, whether they are named Jack Straw or Condoleeza Rice, or Stephen Hadley, or George Bush or Tony Blair, or Richard Holbrooke, or Tom Friedman, or Noah ("After Jihad") Feldman, or Stephen Schwartz, or ten thousand others, will always be off, always get things not quite in focus, or almost wilfully out-of-focus. And unfortunately, it is all of us -- including those of us who actually studied and knew, and did not deserve to have our fates decided by the stupid and the timid and the unimaginative who cannot believe what is staring them in the face, and cannot figure out what they could do when so many possibilities present themselves, unrecognized and unexploited.

Hugh - Right once again! What a pity. The thought of being a jizya-paying dhimmi is disgusting and nauseating --- I am tired of seeing our tax dollars go down a rat hole anywhere on earth, whether its to the vile and lazy whether overseas or here in the U.S.

"They are taking plastic sheeting, they are taking hoses, they are taking anything they can get their hands on," said Hamza Judeh, a Palestinian policeman. He said about 80 percent of the greenhouses were still intact, but looters walked off with lighting fixtures, cables and wires.

For me this translates to the greenhouses being 50% trashed. The EUdhimmis can easily fork over 7 million dollars to restore them and some of the Palestinian electronics experts (translation: bomb makers) can perhaps learn to operate the controls. By this I mean the electronic controls in modern greenhouses that regulate moisture, temperature, nutrients and other vectors.

Even better, if the EU-dhimmis help restore these greenhouses much of the equipment needs to be bought in Israel. Drip irrigation for starters

Those greenhouses were one of the wonders of the agricultural world. Their organic, kosher cherry tomatoes alone were considered a miracle.

The day I go to the supermarket and find "Product of Gaza" on a basket of cherry tomatos, I'll die of shock. These people can't create, they can't even imitate. They can only destroy.

Zuckerman and his pals need a rethink. $14 million wasted and they thought they were doing good with their money. Is this the 'justice' that every Muslim demands given in spades to those kindly Jewish philantropists? Sweet justice for the cynics like me and many others who post here.

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The news notes at the bottom of Fox News just ran a few lines saying that Palestinians had overcome Egyptian guards on the Gaza border in order to get into Egypt to GO SHOPPING. Wait a minute....I thought that the Palestinians lived in wretched refugee camps, ate only dirt because the Israelis denied them everything else, and cheered their teenagers on to blow themselves up because there were no other choices in life. So, after a busy day of destroying greenhouses in the now "free Gaza" the only thing left to do...is to go shopping? I wonder if they brought their own credit cards or if the shoppers "borrowed" some cards from the Egyptian guards as they trampled over them.

Good, I hope they totally destroy the green houses. I hope to never see "product of palestine" on any produce. Just keeps me from having to avoid buying their crap. I'm sure the Israelis would rather that their greenhouses were destroyed.

"I thought that the Palestinians lived in wretched refugee camps, ate only dirt because the Israelis denied them everything else, and cheered their teenagers on to blow themselves up because there were no other choices in life."

Yes -- and to read most of the press coverage -- Palestinians who live within a mile of the ocean but have never seen it are turning out in droves to finally see the sea -- What power Israel has -- it even prevents people from seeing the ocean when it's only miles away -- Oh the wretchedness of the Palestinians -- Oh the perfidy of the Jews....

.."..trade ya this here 'Dos4400 Automatic
hydroponic fertilizer injector' for that there
'Rld-7500 tri-phase programmable humidifier'??

Well, I doubt greenhouses are mentioned in the Quran, so we can't expect them to know what to do with them, other than loot them. Looting is in the Quran. That's what their "prophet" did. Actually working for a living, and being productive and creative is not following their "prophet's" footsteps. Destroying, killing, stealing is. And collecting extortion money from others (foreign aid). So they're just being good Muslims.

I just finished watching a propaganda piece on the Bill Moyers show, all about some "Palestinain" Arab widows trying to make a go of it as the start-up owners of a pickle factory. I did not count the many occasions on which it was suggested -- no, stated -- that everything depended on Allah, the number of times "Inshallah" (God willing) and other phrases were inserted, not as mere rhetoric, but as expressions of deep belief, into conversations. Inshallah-fatalism is not conducive to economic activity. It has its points; it can reconcile one to a miserable condition, and even to the injustice of the very belief-system that is almost entirelyr responsible for that miserable condition. But industriousness, entrepreneurial flair, and the constant attention to detail that modern economies require are simply incompatible with the lessons and tenets of Islam, and the overall attitude of inshallah-fatalism that cannot be ignored, for it pervades everything.

After the propaganda show was over, Moyers interviewed one Azza Karam, an Egyptian woman described as connected to the U.N. Commission on Arab Development (or some such name). She of course, when asked about the possible connnection between the teachings of Islam and the miserable condition of these widows and of women under Islam, to "tribal culture." One would think that the cities of Islam -- from Cairo and Tunis and Damascus, all the way to Karachi and Dacca and Jakarta, owed the treatment of women to some "tribal culture." And even if one could pretend that "tribal culture" rather than Islam was responsible for the treatment of women in, say, Iraq (which does have a tribal culture in may areas), could the same be said for Cairo? And even if we were to pretend that this "tribal culture" explained the position of women in the Middle East and North Africa, what "tribal culture" is there in Jakarta?

And even if we were, just for the hell of it, to pretend that it was "tribal culture" that explained the mistreatment of women everywhere in dar al-Islam, then how would we explain the same mistreatment of Muslim women in the Muslim areas of London, Paris, Milan, and Barcelona? The lingering effects of "tribal culture"? And what about the treatment of Western women who marry Muslim men, whether those women "revert" to Islam (i.e., convert) or not? Is their mistreatment, which has been so widely reported (not least after they flee those marriages that are often of convenience -- to the green-card seeking Muslim groom), the result of their "tribal culture"?

The viewer saw Azza Karam's attempt to defend Islam at all costs -- in her constant refusal to even permit the slightest hint that just maybe, there was something in the Qur'an, in the Hadith, in the Sira, that might cause Muslim men to act as they do (and there is, there is), and put the kind of restrictions they do, on Muslim women -- as the transparent taqiyya it is. But no matter how often one views this spectacle -- of the Muslim who is intelligent, personable (up to a point), and seemingly part of the same rational universe, suddenly reveal that coute que coute, that person is going to lie about, to dissimulate, to hide, the truth about Islam -- for Islam must never ever be subject to a hint of criticism.

Really, Azza Karam's performance was astonishing, and most enlightening. One hopes that many non-Muslims will be able to -- as we old vaudevillians say -- catch her act.

Western aid will repair the greenhouses. If the Agency for International Development (the usual USA conduit) is involved the aid money will be spent mostly on American parts, if available. Of course, a cynic might be excused for suggesting that the looters might sell the items back. Certainly, a lot of the equipment has limited utility without a complete set-up.

Meanwhile, the smart money bought an insurance contract on the greenhouse project, and the "gift" will turn into an "involuntary conversion" for accounting purposes. The destruction was the result of criminal activity, not an insurrection or rebellion which would have been an excludable event. Nobody will ask about the insurance proceeds, which can be assigned to anybody, very quietly, avoiding any banking regulation that would expose the laundry. AK-47s can be had for about $450 each.

I have looked in vain for stories in the press explaining that the beduin of Gaz live better than their beduin brother ans sisters in Sinai. I have not seen anything that shows that the bedu who goes to work in Israel for 20-35 NIS per hour saves his money so he and his cousins can spend it in Cairo, coming back across the border at Khan Yunis with the boot stuffed and the roof caving in with goods bought for cheap.

I have not seen anywhere either that the horticulture the beduin practice is highly regarded, that being the growth of marijuana, smoked like cigarettes locally, and smuggled into israel more often than the police can effectively stop it. No, not the Israeli police, the Egyptian police, the very ones who use the drugs for their own income when they steal it, shooting the beduin like rabbits in the process.

Nowhere have I read that car theft is the biggest crime in Israel, the cars going into Gaza with Israeli plates, and remaining that way because the beduin don't bother to remove them. Why should they? Who cares?

And I haven't seen anywhere that the price of an Israeli Arab girl is twice that of a West Bank or Gazan girl because with the girl comes a permit to live and work in Israel. Yes, the Arab then gets to work for Israelis who actually pay a standard rate for all workers, African European, Arab, Israeli, or Korean or whoever. I'm saying that Arabs working for Arabs get robbed at pay time at the end of the day. And what can they do? Not a thing but go home and beat their wives.

They blow themselves up because they are ugly and disgusting people who will not cross the mental street. It's right there in foront of them, and they cannot cross over into modernity. They would rather turn themselves into frenzied suicidal killers than let go of their own rage at their dysfunctional culture. They cannot stand looking at Israeli success staring right into their faces.

These people are savages. And what makes thes monsters so appealing to teenaged sociology students? Why are these creatures the darlings of the Left? Why are they the "most important people in the world?"

If you can answer that, please do so at
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com
I'd sure like to have some clue.

Sonofwalker, the left have to have some victim that drives the right crazy. You can't choose a better irritant than muslim savages. It doesn't matter that everything they represent is anathema to the left. It doesn't matter that the Muslims see the left as a useful idiot to be destroyed at a later date when Islam is stronger in the Dar al-Harb. For now, the lefts serves a purpose and they so eagerly lap up the taqiyya and declare "It's heaven. Have some!" Ignore all those negative accusations, don't bother researching what the crazy right says and has documented and crossreferenced and proven from the text and deeds of Islam and Muslims. As long as you can have a victim to use against the right and Western governments, the Left thinks it is sitting pretty. It's foolish, it's nuts, but their hatred for their country, its government and its culture blind the left to 'all that'.

Even during the coming wars, they will not likely abandon their alliance. They would rather be a victim of Islam and be killed than admit what should be obvious, they are DEAD wrong in protecting and promoting Islam and Muslims.

Yes, dead wrong, and suicidally so.

What I really cannot figure out is why, though, even those who are politically to the right of my own self, i.e. some of the people I work with here, OK, everyone I work with here, is nuts, and I mean really out of their logical minds and forget rationality, crazy and angry, barking loony, when they get on about Bush. And that just warms them up.

One would think that after over a year of writing and lecturing on the history of Islam and the history of Left dhimmi fascism I might have gotten people to think a little bit more clearly on the nature of Islam. Yes, I have. But! The minute they talk about America, in spite of all they know, all they've read, all they've listened to over all this time, off they go into cloud-cuckoo land. Sensitive, articulate, knowledgable people, many of them technically oriented and sophisticated in the ways of science and Reason, the carriers of the ideas of our time, these same people go spitting stupid when they start in about Bush and the American government.

I think it's more than anything they know or can know that makes them angry and vicious. I think it's a meanness of our time that has spread like an infection in the body politic, and I don't know what to make of it. Reason and facts mean nothing to them when they talk about America. It's a madness that overwhelms them. These people are not Americans, of course, but Americans often and many have the same disease of the mind.

I know from reading history that there was the same visceral hatred of FDR. It came from both Left and Right. This is nothing new. This is some permanent affliction of the mind of populations. The same kind of hatred came down on Lincoln. Jefferson too, I believe. And at the same time, obversely, a pathetic, slavering love of monsters, from Kim Il Sung, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler. Even buffoons like Mussolini. Even Princess Diana! David Koresh. A long list.

So, what are we up against here? If it were passing strange I'd shrug. I fear it's not simply passing: I think it's here to stay. When we are faced with collective madness, madness in this case taking the form of philobarbarism, the love of Palestinian barbarians, savages, then we have a whole different kind of battle from what seems to be the battle we are engaged in now with Islam. We seem to be fighting an urge to destroy Modernity itself, to return to the days of primitive existence and perhaps what one might call fascist authenticity, the life Hobbes describes, one without art, without letters, without security, a life that is nasty, brutish, and short, a life in a state of Nature, red in tooth and claw.

Maybe the Human spirit can only handle only so many few years of renaissance, a brief flowering of the mind, before it needs its winter bed.

Or maybe, if things are not quite what they seem, people need leadership. I offer again the idea of following in the footsteps of my much maligned and distant relative William Walker, psychopatic killer and general bad guy, to those who feel that Modernity is the better answer to the problems facing the species than is reaction and triumphant primitivism. Maybe the slavery of the race for the greater good of Modernity will save us all from the slumber of unreason. I suggest, to be plain, that it's a better idea to go forth and conquer-- and be damned by the press-- to conquer and to impose by main force freedom and the universal rights of Man in spite of the traditions of old, in spite of cultural practice, in spite of the sensitivities of "Others."

I think it's time for us to cast aside our sentimentality about the nature of democracy and individual rights. I think that if we are going to not only save Modernity but spread it to all rather than lose it for all that we had better take a look at ourselves as men first, not as critical thinkers and sensitive New Age guys in touch with our feelings, but as men who get a kick out of fighting and winning. Our Academies are taken over by sophists, and the Spartans among us are all seemingly on dope. The helots are free and fat, and they hate us. Everyone loves the barbarians! I think it's time we reinvigorate democracy with a good man-to-man war so we know what the hell it is we're fighting for and what we live for. If people love barbarians so much, then let's be the barbarians, the Philosopher Barbarian Kings. Maybe if democracy is to prevail we have to put the demo into democracy by arming them and sending them into battle so they can excersize their hatred where it will do them some good.

The undifferentiated middle is in a psychological frenzy, I think, of indiscriminate hatred that is only provisionally directed at America. I do believe, if only because I wish to, that the craziness of the populations of the West ccan as easily be turned against the barbarians as it is now turned against Modernity. Give the masses a man like Spencer who will lead them against enemies, and I'm sure Spencer, in his Darth Vader outfit, will have the people clamouring for blood, bread and circuses, and democracy for all. The world needs a goal, an enemy to fight, and a leader to give them direction. They'll go for Hitler if they have no other.

Yes, dead wrong, and suicidally so.

What I really cannot figure out is why, though, even those who are politically to the right of my own self, i.e. some of the people I work with here, OK, everyone I work with here, is nuts, and I mean really out of their logical minds and forget rationality, crazy and angry, barking loony, when they get on about Bush. And that just warms them up.

One would think that after over a year of writing and lecturing on the history of Islam and the history of Left dhimmi fascism I might have gotten people to think a little bit more clearly on the nature of Islam. Yes, I have. But! The minute they talk about America, in spite of all they know, all they've read, all they've listened to over all this time, off they go into cloud-cuckoo land. Sensitive, articulate, knowledgable people, many of them technically oriented and sophisticated in the ways of science and Reason, the carriers of the ideas of our time, these same people go spitting stupid when they start in about Bush and the American government.

I think it's more than anything they know or can know that makes them angry and vicious. I think it's a meanness of our time that has spread like an infection in the body politic, and I don't know what to make of it. Reason and facts mean nothing to them when they talk about America. It's a madness that overwhelms them. These people are not Americans, of course, but Americans often and many have the same disease of the mind.

I know from reading history that there was the same visceral hatred of FDR. It came from both Left and Right. This is nothing new. This is some permanent affliction of the mind of populations. The same kind of hatred came down on Lincoln. Jefferson too, I believe. And at the same time, obversely, a pathetic, slavering love of monsters, from Kim Il Sung, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler. Even buffoons like Mussolini. Even Princess Diana! David Koresh. A long list.

So, what are we up against here? If it were passing strange I'd shrug. I fear it's not simply passing: I think it's here to stay. When we are faced with collective madness, madness in this case taking the form of philobarbarism, the love of Palestinian barbarians, savages, then we have a whole different kind of battle from what seems to be the battle we are engaged in now with Islam. We seem to be fighting an urge to destroy Modernity itself, to return to the days of primitive existence and perhaps what one might call fascist authenticity, the life Hobbes describes, one without art, without letters, without security, a life that is nasty, brutish, and short, a life in a state of Nature, red in tooth and claw.

Maybe the Human spirit can only handle only so many few years of renaissance, a brief flowering of the mind, before it needs its winter bed.

Or maybe, if things are not quite what they seem, people need leadership. I offer again the idea of following in the footsteps of my much maligned and distant relative William Walker, psychopatic killer and general bad guy, to those who feel that Modernity is the better answer to the problems facing the species than is reaction and triumphant primitivism. Maybe the slavery of the race for the greater good of Modernity will save us all from the slumber of unreason. I suggest, to be plain, that it's a better idea to go forth and conquer-- and be damned by the press-- to conquer and to impose by main force freedom and the universal rights of Man in spite of the traditions of old, in spite of cultural practice, in spite of the sensitivities of "Others."

I think it's time for us to cast aside our sentimentality about the nature of democracy and individual rights. I think that if we are going to not only save Modernity but spread it to all rather than lose it for all that we had better take a look at ourselves as men first, not as critical thinkers and sensitive New Age guys in touch with our feelings, but as men who get a kick out of fighting and winning. Our Academies are taken over by sophists, and the Spartans among us are all seemingly on dope. The helots are free and fat, and they hate us. Everyone loves the barbarians! I think it's time we reinvigorate democracy with a good man-to-man war so we know what the hell it is we're fighting for and what we live for. If people love barbarians so much, then let's be the barbarians, the Philosopher Barbarian Kings. Maybe if democracy is to prevail we have to put the demo into democracy by arming them and sending them into battle so they can excersize their hatred where it will do them some good.

The undifferentiated middle is in a psychological frenzy, I think, of indiscriminate hatred that is only provisionally directed at America. I do believe, if only because I wish to, that the craziness of the populations of the West can as easily be turned against the barbarians as it is now turned against Modernity. Give the masses a man like Spencer who will lead them against enemies, and I'm sure Spencer, in his Darth Vader outfit, will have the people clamouring for blood, bread and circuses, and democracy for all. The world needs a goal, an enemy to fight, and a leader to give them direction. They'll go for Hitler if they have no other.

Sonofwalker, I fear I must confess myself somewhat perturbed by your bipolar outlook - why do you feel that it is impossible to oppose islamofascism without being in love with George Bush, the junior wahabbi? Why can we not be realistic in our outlook, criticise that which needs to be criticised, without fear or favour?

I'm afraid that there is much, much to be despised about the current American administration, as with most governments in the west, not least their appaling, sycophantic pandering to the saudi scum; George hides his dog when the Sauds come-a-calling, and Condi slips into a trouser suit lest her legs enrage the uncontrollable lusts of the rich barbarians. These are the people we must admire in order to oppose Islam?

No, they aren't. What we must stand up for, promulgate, defend is the system which allowed the american people to elect a bunch of criminal dhimmi buffoons, if thats what they wanted, and that is what I do defend.

jsla: "Clearly they are similar to a malignant tumor"

King: The only malignancy I see here is your wholesale hate. By the way - this analogy is so banal on this site you ought to be ashamed for using it anymore.

Hugh: "The belief that the "Palestinian" Arabs will be productive, will try to work for a living, will show initiative and industry, is by the record of Muslim Arabs elsewhere."

King: A statement that is so full of rhetoric that I do not know where to begin. Sadly, this is a very common post from Hugh.

As I have posted in the past, the "funk" many Arab states are in right now has less to do with religion and more to do with corrupt politics and the West's involvement in perpetuating rule of thug. It happened before our eyes in Afghanistan when the USSR pulled out. How about you examine the policies of your own government, Hugh, and excoriate them here for all to see? I suspect it is easier and more desirable for you to simply blame a religion and its followers....

King: The only malignancy I see here is your wholesale hate. By the way - this analogy is so banal on this site you ought to be ashamed for using it anymore.

Sometimes it takes banality to illuminate banality, Kingky.
There is nothing wrong with hating Islam. Islam has proved itself to be highly hate-able. Islam promotes harm. Respect for religion turns into hate for religion, when harm makes its appearance. Well we aint seen nothing yet. Wait till Ar-Mahdi shows up. According to those in the know, he's in occultation right now. Soon to make his appearance known by performing great miracles and such. The west, having seen too much David Copperfield, will not be impressed by Mahdi's magic tricks so he will resort to force.
He will lead vast armys and conquor the world for Allah and his Prophet...at least thats whats supposed to happen. When Allah/Mohammad invented Mahdi, they had not anticipated that the infidels to be conquored would be so well armed.
Thats why nukes appeal to Islamics so much...they instantly level the playing field.
I have no doubt that if Mahdi and the red button of nuclear destruction were in the same room at the same time, Mahdi would have his finger on the button. All in Allahs cause, all for the institution of Islam worldwide or death to the infidels. Especially the Joo infidels.
Islamania has shown its true colors, by word and deed. There is no reason to love Islam but there are many reasons to hate it. It is the religion of harm and abuse. It is difficult to defend abuse...but very easy to hate it...

"duh": "Sometimes it takes banality to illuminate banality, Kingky."

King: Er, um, whatever you say, "duh."

duh: "There is nothing wrong with hating Islam."

King: You're a bigot so this statement is powder from the get-go.

duh: "Islam has proved itself to be highly hate-able."

King: So, too, have your statements. The rest of your doomsday diatribe is comical.

Kingie, to use your own warped tu tuoque, if hating islam is wrong, then so is hating Christianity (you are, I imagine, familiar with the Quran and the concept of "shirk") and Judaism (also an islamic philosophy from Aisha to Zainab), and, for that matter, Jews. That is, Jewish people. Christians are taught nowhere to hate muslims by their religious leaders; muslims all over the Middle East and, frankly, everywhere else, are.

I don't decry all muslims (though, unfortunately, I do decry all the ones I've been unfortunate enough to get to know via work, because the pictures I've gotten when the veil of work comes off and the real sociopolitical views underneath emerge have been startling and shocking in 100% of those surveyed so far, I'm sorry to say) but if you can't understand or refuse to see the difference in how the two religions have shaped social life in different ways between Christians/Jews and muslims, there's little hope for you.

I agree with above that islam has, indeed, shown itself to be highly hateable. That is not the fault of the receiver, but rather of those promulgating it at every turn. If another is foolish enough to believe the seizure-inspired tales of a murderous merchant, it is hardly my fault. And nor does it translate into hatred for the believer.

That clear enough for you, old timer?

Prophet Geoff

During the late Middle Ages, refined and precious Chinese luxury goods could be found throughout Europe and the Islamic world. The economies of Europe and the Islamic Empire were responsible for the diffusion. The European economy operated through a complex system of market mechanisms that all featured a notion of voluntary exchange, i.e., peaceful trade. The diffusion of Chinese luxury goods, as well as just about everything else of durable value throughout the Islamic Empire, however is generally attributed to plunder.

This fact is underscored by the creation of the Islamic institution of diwan during the reign of the second caliph Umar. The diwan is the foundational scarce resource allocation mechanism of the Islamic economy. Conceived originally as a committee and procedures to solve the problem of distributing war booty that began flowing into the Muslim community in ever increasing and troublesome quantities as the jihad conquests expanded the empire, it eventually evolved into the central financial ministry of the imperial Islamic bureaucracy of the Sublime Porte.

When the question of how to manage the windfall of abandoned Israeli Gaza settlement infrastructure arose, the Palestinian Authority announced the formation of a "committee" whose mandate would be to ensure the responsible public administration and equitable allocation of those assets to private parties. The institution of diwan of course is what they have in mind. For in a society whose economy is founded upon piratical plunder, it is natural that such an institution would emerge.

The very existence of such an institution is prima facie evidence that the underlying ideology upon which the society is constructed, is itself nothing more than a tribal warrior code which through accident or the world's bad luck, managed to scale up beyond our present means to contain it and all the human misery that proceeds from it. Such is the lot of the hapless denizens of the primative Islamic culture. The need for such an institution in a society is self-evident proof of the profound nature of the failure of the ideology from which it springs and provides yet more ample reason for the world to adopt the goal of either utterly extinguishing the failed system or to at least make maximum effort to confine its operation to the remote feral and inhospitable wilderness where few human beings are wont to inhabit in a manner of minimally subsistant existence.

duh: "Islam has proved itself to be highly hate-able."

King: So, too, have your statements. The rest of your doomsday diatribe is comical.

OHHH Kingky, do you hate me??? I'M soo hurt...

But you are right the stuff about Mahdi is comical. But it is not my comedy, it belongs to Islam. I did not invent Mahdi and I did not invent his reported purpose or future activities.
Islam did that. Why dont you use google to read up on Mahdi and see the comedy for yourself.

As far as hating Islam is concerned, Islam is not a person or a sentient being nor is it a race. It may be wrong in some circles to hate another human. But Islam is not a human, Islam is a political/religious doctrine that promotes harm at its base. I dont need to justify that, it's been done numbers of times.
There is nothing to love with a religion or system (government) that promotes harm and enslaves participants. Hate in this case is the ultimate rejection of religions or systems that enslave participants.
Islam enslaves muslims. Thats what 'Abdallah', means, slave to Allah. But even more than slave to Allah, it is slave to Islam. Abdislam.
Because slavery is one of the worse things that can happen to a human, Islam, the enslaver of millions, deserves distain.
I didn't say I hate muslims, I didn't even say I hated Islam. I said Islam had proved itself hate-able. And so it has...words and deeds, Kingky, words and deeds...If the shoe fits, Islam must wear it... Oh... I know, er, um, whatever you say 'duh'.

King: You're a bigot so this statement is powder from the get-go.

I like that statement a lot. Going to print it out and frame it. In typical liberal fashion, you cant make a point without an insult helper.
Which really means, you have nothing to say.
You say a lot for saying nothing. Professor Erwin Corey, a stand up comic, could talk for an hour and never say anything. He was a tad funnier than you are , but if I was bored and had a few beers, I could get some laughs off you as well...

Thomas Ato and likely others have read into my hasty note above something I'm sure I did not intend to argue, if in fact I seem to have argued it at all: that to condemn anti-Americanism is to praise Geo. W. Bush: "[W]hy do you feel that it is impossible to oppose islamofascism without being in love with George Bush...?"

I think I have never here expressed any personal opinion about Bush. I don't conflate Bush with America, nor do I conflate the Republican party with the Right. I think it's clear that I distinguish liberals from Leftists, and liberals from Liberalism. I try to make clear the difference between the Right and reactionaries, between progressive social forces and Left dhimmi fascists. I am so myopic at times that I have to be one of the most boring bloggers on the Net.

Let me take advantage of this momentarily then. I have refered to the hatred of America and the hatred of Bush as a metonymic fallacy. It's clear now, right? No. The fallacy is in thinking of the part as the whole. That fallacy, thinking Bush is the nation, that bush is the president, that the Black man you hate is all Black men, that Sharon is all Jews, that an apple is all apple trees, that is the fallacy of mistaking the part for the whole.

The brief histories of American presidents, as I understand it is one of reaction from and by partisans, for example, the woman in Texas who complained that the televison station preemted her favorite soap-opera to broadcast Kennedy's funeral: "Why are they cancelling my soap? I'm a Republican?" Yes, metonymic fallacies are akin to solipsisms, but slightly more sophisticated. The hatred that confuses me isn't about why people hate Geo. W. Bush but why they hate. Why do people fasten on to a figure they do not know, would never likely know, and project all their hatred onto him? And by extention, metonymically, they project their hatred onto America as a whole--and even further they project their hatred onto the West and the entire project of Modernity. Bush himself is one man of no particular import. He is an image, a symbol. Bush the man is not any more interesting than any other man. Less so, in my humble opinion, than most of the people I work with here. I couldn't have a converstation with Bush about anything of interest to me because he's not particularly bright or informed on anything I care to discuss. So wherefrom the intensity of the personal hatred toward him?

I argue that Bush is a chimaera, a made-up-in-the-mind monster who has no objective correlative. Bush is a part-figure playing an iconic role in a collective phantasy of hatred. He's a scapegoat for the hatreds and guilt of others. Look at the man as he is, and as you point out, he's not much. So why the hatred? Why, at the very sound of his name, the ringing of the bell, do the dogs of war slip from Reason's bounds and run into madness?

I argued above that the same reaction ocurred during FDR's New Deal era. I can make the same point by refering to Rush Limbaugh's mention of the name "Hilary." It's a conditioned response that has nothing to do with reality at all. It's a madness that comes from people rather than from the man they hate. People killed each other over different coloured chariots in Imperial Rome. Some killed each other over which end of a boiled egg to cut off. Anti-Americanism has nothing to do with Bush the man. It has everything to do with the one who hates. My question above is what accounts for the hatred of America? Further, what can we do to recondition the population to have the same reflexive hatred at the mention of Islam?

People hate. They are an irrational animal. How do we leash them and turn them against our enemies? I argue that it is done by mastery, by subtle and brutal force. The people, of whom I am one, and proudly so, are not a collection of reasonable men and women but a seething body politic of undischarged emotional energy. As one will find in any bona fide police state, the state that does not make war on its neighbours will turn upon itself.

Perhaps I answered my own question then. By not hating Islam the people of the West have turned to self-hatred. They don't hate themselves as individuals, and some feel great swells of emotion when they hate the devil who is Bush, the chimaera of American imperialism and world-destroying aggression, so they turn on themselves in the form of Bush, the metonymic part that represents the whole of what they are at war against, which is the self body politic. My cat seems to hate his tail. He chews it when he can catch it. But he forgets about his tail when he can chase a fly or claw at the window hoping to catch a bird.

Bush, in conclusion, does not exist. Bush, the thing anti-Americans hate, is within the person who does the hating. Figure out why the anti-American hates himself, grasp why the anti-American hates his own modernity, and explain how we can turn that innate hatred against the fascism of Islam, and you are more than welcome to contribute your essay at my blog.